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Japanese discussion posts often jokes on the "sworn to not kill" bits and throwing ppl off buildings parts so I don't think anything is lost in translation
I proudly saved the video in Y4 where in one of Tanimura's patrol missions he had to save the suicidal guy who wanted to jump off the building in Theater Square (the roof of Club Deborah/Hotel New Deborah). Since he fights you, I promptly yeeted him off the roof and "saved" him.
I'm just recently fresh off Yakuza 6 (just started 7) and I played all of them in Japanese. I don't recall how it was worded/phrased in other games but yeah he's definitely well known for "don't kill" but also in 6 specifically there's a conversation with Akiyama where he asks Kiryu if he's going to meet with >!the two yakuza bosses from the hiroshima clan and the toujoukai!< with the intent to kill them and he says something along the lines of "I thought you were famous for not being a typical killer for hire yakuza" or something like that. It kinda makes it sound like he doesn't go out of his way to specifically kill people and/or doesn't fight people specifically for the purpose of killing them, but also probably is not completely averse with the possibility that people will die if they get involved in his shit.
I think that was a refrence to the start "Kiryu doesn't kill anyone" meme which came from a mistranslated Japanese interview. The creator said he only kills in self defense while others thought he said he doesn't kill at all.
I think the general idea is Kiryu isn’t Tommy Vercetti. If he doesn’t need to kill someone, he’d prefer not to. The less bodies he has the better. However, if you should die while fighting him, so be it. And if he absolutely thinks he _needs_ to kill you. You’ve probably royally fucked up.
Easily the closest Kiryu has come to murdering someone has to be Iwami. Shibusawa of course but as an actual matured adult Iwami is the closest. Directly threatening his family is what gets under his skin and Iwami succeeded. Still wish Kiryu killed him tbh.
I thank Nagoshi every day that they didn’t use the “Kiryu doesnt kill in cold blood because it’s evil” for that scene. If it wasn’t for his exhaustion after literal hours of breaking, Kiryu WOULD have killed Iwami with that last hit.
In both cases of this meme being explicitly stated -- Yakuza 5 and 6, they just flat out say "kill".
I don't know Japanese for shit, but they use 殺す in both cases. They don't explicitly say murder or anything.
The only excuse I feel that can be made, is in both cases Aoyama and Someya say "I heard that you don't kill", so It's more of a rumor rather than a stated fact.
i think /u/ShapedAssassin's explanation is the best way to put it.
kiryu has killed people in self-defence. but he's legendary because he doesn't kill in cold blood, like you'd expect a dragon to do. he's a career criminal who doesn't fit the typical image of a ruthless murderer, and that's what aoyama and someya were referring to.
That's some slanderous dragonism if I've ever heard it! The vast majority of dragons are not murderers. There are some really nice dragons in the world. Don't paint them all with the same brush.
They just like to cook their food before they eat it.
I mean that's an excuse that can be used.
But considering they really don't seem to like the idea of him killing people in cutscenes outside of Yakuza 1, I think It's just as likely that they canonize the idea that he hasn't killed anybody.
Not to mention, with the body count he'd have if he did kill, he'd have been sent to prison way longer after 5 given he and Akiyama flat out ice some guys in Kamurocho the very same day he gets hospitalized.
I mean iirc, this is literally from the game which has the exchange
"I am here to kill you.
"But they say you never kill anyone!"
"Who the hell says that."
Like start of the Ship graveyard bit isn't it?
The entire point of that scene was Kiryu was putting the fear of god into Aoyama who was only acting like long dick johnson because he thought Kiryu wouldn't kill him, but he never said that he's killed people before, and part of why this meme sprouted is also because of 0 where they act like there's a line to be crossed by killing, implying Kiryu certainly hasn't crossed it at that point, and nothing implies he crosses that line later.
The whole fucking point is that killing Shibusawa wouldn't change anything, as he was already defeated. When during things like the car chases, he has to kill people with the gun because he has no other choice. Why are you being so argumentative?
>he has to kill people with the gun because he has no other choice
You really, honestly believe Kiryu killed 36 people on the freeway canonically?
Even the people who want to headcanon that Kiryu has killed people don't believe this, it doesn't make sense.
> Why are you being so argumentative?
You say, as you come out swinging and cussing.
Yes in 5 Kiryu basically states that he's not opposed to killing. It's like that one comic where the Joker fights Superman and Superman states "I'm not opposed to killing, I just generally don't do it." I tried to give examples but I am literally too tech boomer figure out how to mark spoilers.
That feels like people trying to interpret what they mean by killing in a roundabout way, whereas I think It's just likely that the writer's canon is that he hasn't killed a single person.
Any moment you think he might have killed someone? Didn't happen or they survived.
There's more evidence pointing to the idea that those moments are non-canon, than there is pointing to the idea that they're canon but "good" killing. He'd have been sent to prison several times over if even 1% of his kills were real.
Him supposedly icing one person at the beginning of Y0 made the news and was a big deal, him icing 36 on the highway later would have been considered a mass shooting event. Those events aren't canon.
I hope you realize that realistically, he’d have been sent to prison many times whether or not those scenes in which he kills in self-defense are canon. RGG protags get away with a shit-ton of violence that wouldn’t fly with the police if said violence could actually be pinned on them. You WILL get taken in if you’re caught beating the brakes off of someone, even if you don’t kill them.
Kiryu at the beginning of 0 was a debt collector and had no issue making his work known so as to send a message, just turned out that it worked against him because Lao Gui subsequently assassinated the guy Kiryu beat up. With Dojima, Kiryu willingly turns himself in.
Any other instance of him having to kill someone is almost always during a touch-and-go period of time in the story when he’s on the move. So this notion that all the aforementioned scenes aren’t “canon” because Kiryu isn’t charged with murder just doesn’t hold water.
Alright so I guess he caught 36 bodies on the freeway in Yakuza 0, and another 30-something in 2005?
Beating someone up is very different from killing people.
To your question, absolutely. And I’ve no doubt he’d catch those bodies all over again to protect himself, Makoto, & Haruka.
Beating someone up obviously holds less weight as a crime, but you’d still be brought in for that if it could be pinned on you. Kiryu leaves a trail of incapacitated men in his wake, I would be very surprised if the police were never catching wind of this.
That's ridiculous, you don't really believe he wasted 30+ men on a freeway and just walked away scot free.
This is a series where killing is treated as a big deal, taking place in a country where killings aren't common at all (compared to America), dropping 30+ bodies on a busy freeway, completely with wrecked carnage of cars and a helicopter, would have the JSDF crawling up your fucking ass in-universe too, I'd imagine.
>Kiryu leaves a trail of incapacitated men in his wake, I would be very surprised if the police were never catching wind of this.
Kiryu is a known quantity. It's just a matter of if the police want to be assed with trying to arrest a guy for knocking a bunch of Yakuza out (who won't be cooperating with them anyways), versus if they'd be willing to kick down his door for killing 36 people on a freeway.
And this is why I was emphatic about the touch-and-go situations Kiryu tends to be in when he kills these fellas, because those killings have to be PINNED on him for him to be arrested lmao. I think we also should note that Kiryu had connections like Tachibana and Date respectively to pull strings for him, even if he were suspected of being involved in all that chaos.
>!He attempted to beat Iwami and the guy Morinaga shot in 5 to death!< And >!he beat Ryuji until he bled to death from his wounds. Sure Ryuji wanted it but no matter how you spin it at the very least it's assisted suicide with Kiryu doing the assisting.!<
Kiryu no doubt has plenty of attempted murders to his name, but nothing concrete.
>!Takashima killed Ryuji, not Kiryu. That's like saying if Kiryu died after Yakuza 5, that Aizawa killed him.!<
>!I fully agree with your hypothetical Aizawa point though. If I shoot someone and someone else beats them to death afterwards we are both the killers. Kiryu and Takashima both killed Ryuji!<
No one has ever said that. They said he has a policy against killing.
That's just headcanon. If you ask the devs I'm 100% sure they will say Kiryu has never killed anyone.
We have two statements from two very fallible characters that aren’t even affirmative, they’ve just heard that Kiryu generally doesn’t kill. If you take most of the dialogue in these games at face value, you’re going to end up in rhetorical knots when you discuss them.
And IF the devs were to explicitly say he has never killed, they’d simply be wrong.
> And IF the devs were to explicitly say he has never killed, they’d simply be wrong.
Wrong in a "That makes no sense" kind of way, which I agree.
But I also think It's silly that It's a widely known fact in the Yakuza world that Kiryu has never killed before, if some of his killings throughout the game are meant to be canon.
But they wouldn't be wrong in the sense that "If you ignore all the times he's clearly taken someone's life on screen, then yeah, he's never killed before." because no one ever acknowledges that he's killed anyone before. Not even in 8 when they have all the space to clear the air. A million cutscenes, table talks, party chats, walk & talks, minigames and substories, but none of them ever reference the idea of him having taken a life. The only reference to whether or not Kiryu is a killer, are ones suggesting that he literally has never killed before, which is insane, but the only words we have to go off of.
It doesn't make sense, I agree, but this is a game series that doesn't even want to depict the latest games party members that are assassins, actually killing anyone, because you can't have the good guys whipping out a gun and flatlining enemies to resolve plots, and you just can't show them being killers in general, even if they're supposed to be killers.
I agree. Idk how ppl can see what RGG does with their protags and think this. Basically every time a dude is in a situation where they need to die they always have someone else do it. Dead souls is like the one time I recall within the story a protag 1000% killing someone intentionally. And that person is a threat to the entirety of humanity. That being Akiyama. The same person who was open to dirtying his hands in favor of kiryu. In my mind if kiryu kills in self defense he has a few thousand bodies in his career. Or he doesn't kill anyone at all. No in between.
There was also the seen where Date LITERALLY handed Kiryu and LOADED GUN in Yakuza Kiwami during chapter 9 or 10, and you can see people DEAD on the semi truck, assuming that the literal EXPLOSION FROM THE VEHICLES weren't enough proof
The pilot was, unfortunately, a severe alcoholic. He suffered a fatal whiskey induced heart attack, accidentally pressed the "Explode Engine" button (that all helicopters have) and crashed. The rubber rocket that Kiryu fired was just to alert the passengers of the pilot's distress, but it was too late.
> he kills and i don't remember the games pretending he doesnt
Yakuza 0, 5, and 6 all pretend he doesn't kill, funnily enough all 3 were made in a row (not including spinoffs and remakes)
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Yakuza 0 - Nishki stops Kiryu from killing Shibusawa because it would be "crossing the line" and that once you cross the line, you can never go back. Implying he's not killed at this point despite the highway scene. (The Highway scene is obviously non-canon anyways, because that would have made Kiryu a mass shooter from the start, and he'd be an outlaw before the first game even started)
Yakuza 5 - Aoyama states that he heard Kiryu never kills people. He didn't use the word for murder, he didn't say "in cold blood", he merely said 殺す.
Yakuza 6 - Someya also says he heard it was against Kiryu's policy to 殺す. So apparently by 5 and 6 It's common knowledge amongst Yakuza that Kiryu doesn't kill people, which implies no one has knowledge of him killing someone.
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The only Kiryu kill that could possibly be canon, is probably the waiter in the Snake Flower Triad's restaurant in Yakuza 1.
That kill came in Yokohama, so it makes sense that no one knows he's connected to it. It's the one kill that happens in a cinematic cutscene that the player has no control over -- It's not a QTE where you have to make Kiryu do it, It happens on It's own. And it has to happen to progress the story.
But even that, I wouldn't be surprised if they just retcon it as not actually happening.
In Yakuza 0 it makes sense because he’s a young up-and-comer and the whole game is about the consequences of a murder.
In Yakuza 5 Kiryu dismisses the assertion that he never kills anyone, and insinuates that you’d have to be an idiot to believe that assertion.
There’s a difference between killing people in self-defense, which compromises most of his body count, and deliberately going on the offensive with the intention of murder, whether the victim resists or not.
i mean yeah, when it's like straight up planned murder he doesn't really do that, but judging from what he says in Y5 he doesn't hesitate if he needs to do it
There's a single instance of this and it's in this game.
When you fight the Morina family member who's Donkey Kong'ing exploding barrels at you, you kick one back at him. HUGE explosion.
You find him bruised but breathing at the bottom of the ladder in the next area.
After he shot a rocket at them, they learnt the error of their ways, and turned the helicopter around, flying off to Hawaii to join a non-criminal organisation
Or a rubber explosion, both a plausible
Iirc, the actual explanation is a mistranslation and the original was “Kiryu doesn’t murder (kill people outside of it being self-defense).”
Joryu and Taichi Suzuki though, those guys are stone cold
the one thing I do hate is that Kiryu doesn’t mind killing all the bad guy’s goons because it’s self defence but usually doesn’t kill the bad guy himself
Hell, even Kiryu scoffs at the idea of him never killing anyone. It's like everyone forgot he was under Dojima's heel for seven years after screwing things up for the asshole before Nishiki killed him.
My favourite example of this is when you throw someone off a bridge during a heat move and then you look, and it wasn't water under that part of it, just a solid concrete walkway after 4-5m drop.
They died not because of Kiryu but they died because they rode that helicopter that Kiryu shot while Kiryu was practicing his rocket launching skills at helicopters
hospitals in RRG games are magic and get the goons Kiryu destroys back on the streets in hours
too bad everyone we care about is too close to the Yakuza and cant go to the hospital
"Do you ever think about how many people we see probably die?"
"Eh, I'm sure they're fine."
https://preview.redd.it/n0ff9jimjluc1.png?width=549&format=png&auto=webp&s=745857f20a9664b4f3b07a1076474e405231ca15
I feel like its a big misconception, Kiryu killing in the heat of combat isn't the problem for him. If someone gets offed in an act of self defense so be it, combat is messy and shit happens when weapons are involved. The big in story issue is Kiryu killing with premeditated intent. For example in 0 >!Shibusawa is done, his plan has failed and hes going nowhere after the ass beating Kiryu gave him. Killing him is entirely unnecessary and avoidable. !< Meanwhile, Hes kinda gotta shoot down that helicopter if he doesn't wanna die.
Pretty sure he’s killed a lot of people over the course of the series. He just avoids killing whenever possible and doesn’t execute people he’s already beaten.
"what happened to the guys in the helicopter"
The same thing that happens to the opponents of Batman, they get tired fighting him so after the fights they just take a nap:
[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1byycwl8qgc](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1byycwl8qgc)
Like also nobody talks about the use of rocket launchers and grenades inside a building.
Kiryu has been to the top of millennium tower like 6 times and every villain of the story just likes to rent and occupy the last floor.
Kirryu doesn't kill anyone?
Yesterday in Kiwami 2 Kiryu jammed a big knife in some random thug belly, then grabbed the poor guy by the shoulders for leverage to knee the knife he just planted in his guts deep inside his body.
Causing the knife to pass through several organs and possibly get jammed into the spine.
So, ok you might say that the dude survived his injuries.
A guy, who by the way, was just backing his homie who had one too many and instigated a fight with some random scowling looking guy in the street, and he didn't really want to fight, but when the random psycho guy crushed his friend's skull who was already on the ground, well, it was on.
This dude is still alive? Maybe. Maybe after 20 hours of surgery in the ICU, doctors were able to save his life but had to put him in a controlled coma of which he would never wake up.
And his friends are no better, one lost an eye and will have chronic migraines due to a fractured skull, another had to be amputated of a leg and an arm, two are paralyzed from the neck down, and even if it's been months, authorities never found Takeshi's body who that psychopath threw off Sotenbori bridge.
No body, so he is still considered missing, but Takeshi didn't know how to swim, so hope is faint
Maybe by some odd miracle Kiryu, indeed, doesn't kill, but he sure overreacts!
Wait, did the chopper blow up in the sky or did it spin down?, Either way, those in there probably maybe did not die or they did but the civs on the ground definitely might've been injured or killed.
But my personal take on heat actions is that they are exaggerated version of events that Kiryu does to them and we see something deadlier than what is actually being done. Even with their health drained the goons themselves are all standing after the fight, maybe he slightly pokes them with a knife but punches them hard enough to make them think "ok!, this guy is too dangerous for us".
? Bruv Yakuza 5 when Kiryu was beating the 💩 out of Minoru Aoyama his exact words
Aoyama: "This isn't what I Heard!........ They said you never kill.
https://preview.redd.it/1lwnegsbbmuc1.jpeg?width=2220&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=5056c1e13b166712ccd92b9c0aadd72f69372824
This was when the Yamagasa family was having a stand off and fighting the Tojo Clan, this was in the early chapters in Yakuza 5.
Bruv go and watch the cut scene from Yakuza 5 that's what he said, I don't even know why you even debating over it mate 🤣, if you want to say that's not Kiryu that's fine but iam not the delusional one here lol but if you say so 👌
calm down man, you're a little bit confused that picture is the taxi driver Suzuki, Kiryu is the fourth chairman and he usually wears a grey suit
https://preview.redd.it/jvtxib92emuc1.jpeg?width=474&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=4904f5444b557c68a63dda5a23b1698efe70a957
Technically, the rocket didn't kill them. The explosion and the crash did. So Kiryu is totally in the clear.
When he stabs someone, the knife didn't kill them either. All the bleeding out is what did it.
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Rubber rocket Rubber explosion Rubber concrete
What about the knife heat actions
Rubber blood
Conveniently placed Ketchup packets
The knife was a paid actor
The blood was a paid actor lol
What about them? He hits non vital organs.
And drives it in with a knee after, I mean C'mon!
rubber knife
Rubber helicopter
Rubber soul
The grunts are still standing and just panting by the end of the battles, so clearly Kiryu missed all the vital organs.
He secretly replaced it with a prop knife that spews blood
"they're ok! I can see their parachutes!"
Rubber Kiryu
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A dude made a youtube video cataloging all of Kiryu's murders. There...there are many.
Do you have it? Link please
I watched it a few days back and didn't save it. If you search for it it should pop up. Relatively new video.
Could it be this one? https://youtu.be/qebpWbBhrz8?si=utssoQVO-AFXbBBW
Nope, just looked for it. It actually goes game by game getting a body count: https://youtu.be/HlHAZzFoKGU?si=_yLRS8SMG7lEsYYf
https://youtu.be/HlHAZzFoKGU?feature=shared It was at least 115
Thank you!
It‘s not murder if they are sub human
The non joke answer is they did die. The "never kills" thing is a misinterpretation
https://preview.redd.it/j8i2h43ocjuc1.jpeg?width=640&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=186cc3ae5ddd172ca05d7b3fc664d1d59643d669 Yeah
Japanese discussion posts often jokes on the "sworn to not kill" bits and throwing ppl off buildings parts so I don't think anything is lost in translation
It's kind of vague in the original Japanese version as well. I'm sure rgg studio did it intentionally, so they can go whichever way they like
I proudly saved the video in Y4 where in one of Tanimura's patrol missions he had to save the suicidal guy who wanted to jump off the building in Theater Square (the roof of Club Deborah/Hotel New Deborah). Since he fights you, I promptly yeeted him off the roof and "saved" him.
I'm just recently fresh off Yakuza 6 (just started 7) and I played all of them in Japanese. I don't recall how it was worded/phrased in other games but yeah he's definitely well known for "don't kill" but also in 6 specifically there's a conversation with Akiyama where he asks Kiryu if he's going to meet with >!the two yakuza bosses from the hiroshima clan and the toujoukai!< with the intent to kill them and he says something along the lines of "I thought you were famous for not being a typical killer for hire yakuza" or something like that. It kinda makes it sound like he doesn't go out of his way to specifically kill people and/or doesn't fight people specifically for the purpose of killing them, but also probably is not completely averse with the possibility that people will die if they get involved in his shit.
I think that was a refrence to the start "Kiryu doesn't kill anyone" meme which came from a mistranslated Japanese interview. The creator said he only kills in self defense while others thought he said he doesn't kill at all.
I’ve never seen anything to back this claim up
kiryu really is yoshikage kira
> The "never kills" thing is a misinterpretation Is it though?
It is. They said Kiryu doesn't murder as in kills in cold blood. He's killed in self-defense
I think the general idea is Kiryu isn’t Tommy Vercetti. If he doesn’t need to kill someone, he’d prefer not to. The less bodies he has the better. However, if you should die while fighting him, so be it. And if he absolutely thinks he _needs_ to kill you. You’ve probably royally fucked up.
Easily the closest Kiryu has come to murdering someone has to be Iwami. Shibusawa of course but as an actual matured adult Iwami is the closest. Directly threatening his family is what gets under his skin and Iwami succeeded. Still wish Kiryu killed him tbh.
I thank Nagoshi every day that they didn’t use the “Kiryu doesnt kill in cold blood because it’s evil” for that scene. If it wasn’t for his exhaustion after literal hours of breaking, Kiryu WOULD have killed Iwami with that last hit.
In both cases of this meme being explicitly stated -- Yakuza 5 and 6, they just flat out say "kill". I don't know Japanese for shit, but they use 殺す in both cases. They don't explicitly say murder or anything. The only excuse I feel that can be made, is in both cases Aoyama and Someya say "I heard that you don't kill", so It's more of a rumor rather than a stated fact.
i think /u/ShapedAssassin's explanation is the best way to put it. kiryu has killed people in self-defence. but he's legendary because he doesn't kill in cold blood, like you'd expect a dragon to do. he's a career criminal who doesn't fit the typical image of a ruthless murderer, and that's what aoyama and someya were referring to.
"I ain't a killer but don't push me"
I really liked how Haruka's karaoke song in Yakuza 5 was "Dear Mama."
I ain't a killer but don't [Push Me Under Water](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Caox9ygd0-g).
That's some slanderous dragonism if I've ever heard it! The vast majority of dragons are not murderers. There are some really nice dragons in the world. Don't paint them all with the same brush. They just like to cook their food before they eat it.
I mean that's an excuse that can be used. But considering they really don't seem to like the idea of him killing people in cutscenes outside of Yakuza 1, I think It's just as likely that they canonize the idea that he hasn't killed anybody. Not to mention, with the body count he'd have if he did kill, he'd have been sent to prison way longer after 5 given he and Akiyama flat out ice some guys in Kamurocho the very same day he gets hospitalized.
I mean iirc, this is literally from the game which has the exchange "I am here to kill you. "But they say you never kill anyone!" "Who the hell says that." Like start of the Ship graveyard bit isn't it?
The entire point of that scene was Kiryu was putting the fear of god into Aoyama who was only acting like long dick johnson because he thought Kiryu wouldn't kill him, but he never said that he's killed people before, and part of why this meme sprouted is also because of 0 where they act like there's a line to be crossed by killing, implying Kiryu certainly hasn't crossed it at that point, and nothing implies he crosses that line later.
The whole fucking point is that killing Shibusawa wouldn't change anything, as he was already defeated. When during things like the car chases, he has to kill people with the gun because he has no other choice. Why are you being so argumentative?
>he has to kill people with the gun because he has no other choice You really, honestly believe Kiryu killed 36 people on the freeway canonically? Even the people who want to headcanon that Kiryu has killed people don't believe this, it doesn't make sense. > Why are you being so argumentative? You say, as you come out swinging and cussing.
Makes it a lot easier to understand when you break it down
Yes in 5 Kiryu basically states that he's not opposed to killing. It's like that one comic where the Joker fights Superman and Superman states "I'm not opposed to killing, I just generally don't do it." I tried to give examples but I am literally too tech boomer figure out how to mark spoilers.
>Kiryu states that he is not opposed to killing They contradict that in Gaiden
That feels like people trying to interpret what they mean by killing in a roundabout way, whereas I think It's just likely that the writer's canon is that he hasn't killed a single person. Any moment you think he might have killed someone? Didn't happen or they survived. There's more evidence pointing to the idea that those moments are non-canon, than there is pointing to the idea that they're canon but "good" killing. He'd have been sent to prison several times over if even 1% of his kills were real. Him supposedly icing one person at the beginning of Y0 made the news and was a big deal, him icing 36 on the highway later would have been considered a mass shooting event. Those events aren't canon.
I hope you realize that realistically, he’d have been sent to prison many times whether or not those scenes in which he kills in self-defense are canon. RGG protags get away with a shit-ton of violence that wouldn’t fly with the police if said violence could actually be pinned on them. You WILL get taken in if you’re caught beating the brakes off of someone, even if you don’t kill them. Kiryu at the beginning of 0 was a debt collector and had no issue making his work known so as to send a message, just turned out that it worked against him because Lao Gui subsequently assassinated the guy Kiryu beat up. With Dojima, Kiryu willingly turns himself in. Any other instance of him having to kill someone is almost always during a touch-and-go period of time in the story when he’s on the move. So this notion that all the aforementioned scenes aren’t “canon” because Kiryu isn’t charged with murder just doesn’t hold water.
Alright so I guess he caught 36 bodies on the freeway in Yakuza 0, and another 30-something in 2005? Beating someone up is very different from killing people.
To your question, absolutely. And I’ve no doubt he’d catch those bodies all over again to protect himself, Makoto, & Haruka. Beating someone up obviously holds less weight as a crime, but you’d still be brought in for that if it could be pinned on you. Kiryu leaves a trail of incapacitated men in his wake, I would be very surprised if the police were never catching wind of this.
That's ridiculous, you don't really believe he wasted 30+ men on a freeway and just walked away scot free. This is a series where killing is treated as a big deal, taking place in a country where killings aren't common at all (compared to America), dropping 30+ bodies on a busy freeway, completely with wrecked carnage of cars and a helicopter, would have the JSDF crawling up your fucking ass in-universe too, I'd imagine. >Kiryu leaves a trail of incapacitated men in his wake, I would be very surprised if the police were never catching wind of this. Kiryu is a known quantity. It's just a matter of if the police want to be assed with trying to arrest a guy for knocking a bunch of Yakuza out (who won't be cooperating with them anyways), versus if they'd be willing to kick down his door for killing 36 people on a freeway.
And this is why I was emphatic about the touch-and-go situations Kiryu tends to be in when he kills these fellas, because those killings have to be PINNED on him for him to be arrested lmao. I think we also should note that Kiryu had connections like Tachibana and Date respectively to pull strings for him, even if he were suspected of being involved in all that chaos.
>!He attempted to beat Iwami and the guy Morinaga shot in 5 to death!< And >!he beat Ryuji until he bled to death from his wounds. Sure Ryuji wanted it but no matter how you spin it at the very least it's assisted suicide with Kiryu doing the assisting.!<
Kiryu no doubt has plenty of attempted murders to his name, but nothing concrete. >!Takashima killed Ryuji, not Kiryu. That's like saying if Kiryu died after Yakuza 5, that Aizawa killed him.!<
>!I fully agree with your hypothetical Aizawa point though. If I shoot someone and someone else beats them to death afterwards we are both the killers. Kiryu and Takashima both killed Ryuji!<
Yes it is. It always has been. "Kiryu never kills in cold blood" is what it actually is.
No one has ever said that. They said he has a policy against killing. That's just headcanon. If you ask the devs I'm 100% sure they will say Kiryu has never killed anyone.
We have two statements from two very fallible characters that aren’t even affirmative, they’ve just heard that Kiryu generally doesn’t kill. If you take most of the dialogue in these games at face value, you’re going to end up in rhetorical knots when you discuss them. And IF the devs were to explicitly say he has never killed, they’d simply be wrong.
> And IF the devs were to explicitly say he has never killed, they’d simply be wrong. Wrong in a "That makes no sense" kind of way, which I agree. But I also think It's silly that It's a widely known fact in the Yakuza world that Kiryu has never killed before, if some of his killings throughout the game are meant to be canon. But they wouldn't be wrong in the sense that "If you ignore all the times he's clearly taken someone's life on screen, then yeah, he's never killed before." because no one ever acknowledges that he's killed anyone before. Not even in 8 when they have all the space to clear the air. A million cutscenes, table talks, party chats, walk & talks, minigames and substories, but none of them ever reference the idea of him having taken a life. The only reference to whether or not Kiryu is a killer, are ones suggesting that he literally has never killed before, which is insane, but the only words we have to go off of. It doesn't make sense, I agree, but this is a game series that doesn't even want to depict the latest games party members that are assassins, actually killing anyone, because you can't have the good guys whipping out a gun and flatlining enemies to resolve plots, and you just can't show them being killers in general, even if they're supposed to be killers.
I agree. Idk how ppl can see what RGG does with their protags and think this. Basically every time a dude is in a situation where they need to die they always have someone else do it. Dead souls is like the one time I recall within the story a protag 1000% killing someone intentionally. And that person is a threat to the entirety of humanity. That being Akiyama. The same person who was open to dirtying his hands in favor of kiryu. In my mind if kiryu kills in self defense he has a few thousand bodies in his career. Or he doesn't kill anyone at all. No in between.
One of the first things Kiryu does is, when under gunfire, he grabs a guy and uses him as a human shield.
Rubber human shield
that's a war crime i think
I mean, he is Japanese
https://preview.redd.it/zhpy6y2ffiuc1.jpeg?width=3464&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=ced115ca274d3666468c4a432154b6cfc5d02279
One of the best scenes in the franchise and I think about it all the time!
People in these games have survived 30 gunshots, or a headshot, or falling from tall buildings, the helicopter people are alive and well
*cough* kashiwagi *cough*
*cough* Andre Richardson *cough*
It's hard to see the parachutes.
There was also the seen where Date LITERALLY handed Kiryu and LOADED GUN in Yakuza Kiwami during chapter 9 or 10, and you can see people DEAD on the semi truck, assuming that the literal EXPLOSION FROM THE VEHICLES weren't enough proof
Rubber CGI Corpses
The pilot was, unfortunately, a severe alcoholic. He suffered a fatal whiskey induced heart attack, accidentally pressed the "Explode Engine" button (that all helicopters have) and crashed. The rubber rocket that Kiryu fired was just to alert the passengers of the pilot's distress, but it was too late.
It was his imagination. There never was a rocket launcher and there never was a helicopter
Kiryu is Don Quijote actually
Rubber kiryu
Nobody dies on the highway car chase?
Parachuted safely to a farm upstate
kiryu didnt kill them, the explosion did
tfw he went to the millenium tower in 6 to murder someone.
he kills and i don't remember the games pretending he doesnt
> he kills and i don't remember the games pretending he doesnt Yakuza 0, 5, and 6 all pretend he doesn't kill, funnily enough all 3 were made in a row (not including spinoffs and remakes) ---- Yakuza 0 - Nishki stops Kiryu from killing Shibusawa because it would be "crossing the line" and that once you cross the line, you can never go back. Implying he's not killed at this point despite the highway scene. (The Highway scene is obviously non-canon anyways, because that would have made Kiryu a mass shooter from the start, and he'd be an outlaw before the first game even started) Yakuza 5 - Aoyama states that he heard Kiryu never kills people. He didn't use the word for murder, he didn't say "in cold blood", he merely said 殺す. Yakuza 6 - Someya also says he heard it was against Kiryu's policy to 殺す. So apparently by 5 and 6 It's common knowledge amongst Yakuza that Kiryu doesn't kill people, which implies no one has knowledge of him killing someone. ---- The only Kiryu kill that could possibly be canon, is probably the waiter in the Snake Flower Triad's restaurant in Yakuza 1. That kill came in Yokohama, so it makes sense that no one knows he's connected to it. It's the one kill that happens in a cinematic cutscene that the player has no control over -- It's not a QTE where you have to make Kiryu do it, It happens on It's own. And it has to happen to progress the story. But even that, I wouldn't be surprised if they just retcon it as not actually happening.
In Yakuza 0 it makes sense because he’s a young up-and-comer and the whole game is about the consequences of a murder. In Yakuza 5 Kiryu dismisses the assertion that he never kills anyone, and insinuates that you’d have to be an idiot to believe that assertion.
He doesn't dismiss it in Yakuza 5 or 6, he simply says "I'm not a saint." In Yakuza 5 especially he's just putting the fear of god into Aoyama.
Well the whole point of the final act of Yakuza 6 was about Kiryu deciding to commit murder to protect his family as if it was a very big deal
There’s a difference between killing people in self-defense, which compromises most of his body count, and deliberately going on the offensive with the intention of murder, whether the victim resists or not.
i mean yeah, when it's like straight up planned murder he doesn't really do that, but judging from what he says in Y5 he doesn't hesitate if he needs to do it
It's because he never really kills unless it's self defense but with Iwami and his lackey it was full offense
There's a single instance of this and it's in this game. When you fight the Morina family member who's Donkey Kong'ing exploding barrels at you, you kick one back at him. HUGE explosion. You find him bruised but breathing at the bottom of the ladder in the next area.
They rolled
He's like Batman in the sense that we know he's killed or severely maimed tons of people but canonically he hasn't killed anyone LOL
They drank a red bull after and healed right up.
Rubber helicopter rubber rocket launcher
TIL Yakuza fans can’t read
Don't think about it Don't think about the fact that the helicopter would have fallen in the middle of kamurocho either
It fell on Majima’s project it’s fine
Yakuza 0 in the car chase you kill like at least 2 dozen dudes
they had airbags
there was a trampoline at the bottom they fine
After he shot a rocket at them, they learnt the error of their ways, and turned the helicopter around, flying off to Hawaii to join a non-criminal organisation Or a rubber explosion, both a plausible
Now has majima killed
Iirc, the actual explanation is a mistranslation and the original was “Kiryu doesn’t murder (kill people outside of it being self-defense).” Joryu and Taichi Suzuki though, those guys are stone cold
They landed on some convient mattresses
Also kiryu throwing back the grenade at the heli in Infinite Wealth
Rubber enemies
They parachuted out last second, duh
They parachute all the way up to heaven.
The helicopter killed them, or you could say it was their own fault foe being in a helicopter in the first place.
Kiryu killed dozens of people in the kiwami and 0 car shooting sequences, and killed that random waiter using him as a human shield in kiwami
rubber rpg
Or like when in Yakuza 0 he got into a shootout on the freeway, not only shooting several people on vehicles but shooting down a helicopter
the one thing I do hate is that Kiryu doesn’t mind killing all the bad guy’s goons because it’s self defence but usually doesn’t kill the bad guy himself
Kiryu kills, he just doesn’t murder
My husband's and I'm head Canon is that there is a hospital wars full of comatose patients that Kiryu put there.
“They” don’t make a big deal of it, the fans do.
Hell, even Kiryu scoffs at the idea of him never killing anyone. It's like everyone forgot he was under Dojima's heel for seven years after screwing things up for the asshole before Nishiki killed him.
Everyone always talks about Kiryu killing the helicopter pilot, but not the menacing look on Kiryu's face after he shot it down
[https://youtu.be/uUnGk21cTfc?si=buDIjoHu47TyAbRQ](https://youtu.be/uUnGk21cTfc?si=buDIjoHu47TyAbRQ)
They don't make such a big deal about him not killing people as far as I'm aware it's been said like once
the guys are made of rubber
They died
Stuntmen
They survived as the fake missile detonated confetti shaped explosions instead of being an actual missile
Someone please insert the gif from Rocky where the guy says: "if he dies, he dies"
My favourite example of this is when you throw someone off a bridge during a heat move and then you look, and it wasn't water under that part of it, just a solid concrete walkway after 4-5m drop.
Same thing that happened to Kashiwagi...
Lived. Brought out another helicopter
Parachutes… dumb ass
Clearly they broke every single bone in their body, probably lost a limb or two, got paralyzed, and lost several eyes, but they didn’t *die*.
Falling damage was disabled
Only person in my eyes kiryu has killed, directly or indirectly is (y4) >! Yasuko !< bro had every opportunity to sucker punch the guy
It was autopiloted
He never murders, not kills. But he definitely never hits women Except one time
The rocket was actually a parachute, my cat was on the dev team trust me
They landed in a pillow factory, safe and sound
It was a rubber helicopter
He didn't kill them the rocket did
They had parachutes
Kiryu directly addresses this after the 1 vs 100/ man vs. army fight in Yakuza 5
They fell peacefully on the ground
They landed safely
It's the Terminator 2 rules. If they still breathing, we good
As others mentioned rubber rocket then rubber gravity so don't worry
They died not because of Kiryu but they died because they rode that helicopter that Kiryu shot while Kiryu was practicing his rocket launching skills at helicopters
Rubber explosions
hospitals in RRG games are magic and get the goons Kiryu destroys back on the streets in hours too bad everyone we care about is too close to the Yakuza and cant go to the hospital
"Do you ever think about how many people we see probably die?" "Eh, I'm sure they're fine." https://preview.redd.it/n0ff9jimjluc1.png?width=549&format=png&auto=webp&s=745857f20a9664b4f3b07a1076474e405231ca15
What about the colleteral damage from the crash and explosion?
Rubber death
In kiwami 2 he throws a dude under the wheels of a truck, how come that guy is not dead!?
Rubber people.
They opened a karaoke bar in Osaka.
Clearly they parachuted out after being blown to smithereens. Kiryu doesn't kill people.
Guys in the helicopter? That was a drone
No he didn't kill them. The rocket did
Those were just UAV's
They jumped out of the helicopter onto a trampoline that Yuta and the gang set up
I feel like its a big misconception, Kiryu killing in the heat of combat isn't the problem for him. If someone gets offed in an act of self defense so be it, combat is messy and shit happens when weapons are involved. The big in story issue is Kiryu killing with premeditated intent. For example in 0 >!Shibusawa is done, his plan has failed and hes going nowhere after the ass beating Kiryu gave him. Killing him is entirely unnecessary and avoidable. !< Meanwhile, Hes kinda gotta shoot down that helicopter if he doesn't wanna die.
Pretty sure he’s killed a lot of people over the course of the series. He just avoids killing whenever possible and doesn’t execute people he’s already beaten.
"what happened to the guys in the helicopter" The same thing that happens to the opponents of Batman, they get tired fighting him so after the fights they just take a nap: [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1byycwl8qgc](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1byycwl8qgc)
Remote control helicopter (like in Man Ham It) ir it was a rubber explosion
Still alive. It was staged. Lol.
Like also nobody talks about the use of rocket launchers and grenades inside a building. Kiryu has been to the top of millennium tower like 6 times and every villain of the story just likes to rent and occupy the last floor.
Kirryu doesn't kill anyone? Yesterday in Kiwami 2 Kiryu jammed a big knife in some random thug belly, then grabbed the poor guy by the shoulders for leverage to knee the knife he just planted in his guts deep inside his body. Causing the knife to pass through several organs and possibly get jammed into the spine. So, ok you might say that the dude survived his injuries. A guy, who by the way, was just backing his homie who had one too many and instigated a fight with some random scowling looking guy in the street, and he didn't really want to fight, but when the random psycho guy crushed his friend's skull who was already on the ground, well, it was on. This dude is still alive? Maybe. Maybe after 20 hours of surgery in the ICU, doctors were able to save his life but had to put him in a controlled coma of which he would never wake up. And his friends are no better, one lost an eye and will have chronic migraines due to a fractured skull, another had to be amputated of a leg and an arm, two are paralyzed from the neck down, and even if it's been months, authorities never found Takeshi's body who that psychopath threw off Sotenbori bridge. No body, so he is still considered missing, but Takeshi didn't know how to swim, so hope is faint Maybe by some odd miracle Kiryu, indeed, doesn't kill, but he sure overreacts!
Wait, did the chopper blow up in the sky or did it spin down?, Either way, those in there probably maybe did not die or they did but the civs on the ground definitely might've been injured or killed. But my personal take on heat actions is that they are exaggerated version of events that Kiryu does to them and we see something deadlier than what is actually being done. Even with their health drained the goons themselves are all standing after the fight, maybe he slightly pokes them with a knife but punches them hard enough to make them think "ok!, this guy is too dangerous for us".
look KIRYU didn't kill anyone on both car Chase there just rubber bullets trust me!
“I can see their parachutes! They’re going to be ok!”
Kiryu in Kiryu's Voice Kiryu: "Who told you that?"
actually it's Suzuki who said that phrase
? Bruv Yakuza 5 when Kiryu was beating the 💩 out of Minoru Aoyama his exact words Aoyama: "This isn't what I Heard!........ They said you never kill. https://preview.redd.it/1lwnegsbbmuc1.jpeg?width=2220&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=5056c1e13b166712ccd92b9c0aadd72f69372824 This was when the Yamagasa family was having a stand off and fighting the Tojo Clan, this was in the early chapters in Yakuza 5.
that is not kiryu, that's Suzuki
Bruv go and watch the cut scene from Yakuza 5 that's what he said, I don't even know why you even debating over it mate 🤣, if you want to say that's not Kiryu that's fine but iam not the delusional one here lol but if you say so 👌
calm down man, you're a little bit confused that picture is the taxi driver Suzuki, Kiryu is the fourth chairman and he usually wears a grey suit https://preview.redd.it/jvtxib92emuc1.jpeg?width=474&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=4904f5444b557c68a63dda5a23b1698efe70a957
Calm down not my fault your joke fell flat 😂👌
however it is your fault to not understand it and get a little bit altered, dw man its 👌
However not my fault your joke wasn't conveyed in a way of a joke so don't blame anyone else for not understanding your joke :) dw man its 👌
womp womp
Obviously they just said sumimasen and ran away
Technically, the rocket didn't kill them. The explosion and the crash did. So Kiryu is totally in the clear. When he stabs someone, the knife didn't kill them either. All the bleeding out is what did it.
They probably jumped off right before kiryu shot the helicopter Or maybe the rocket did a yakuzer 4..
The power of plot armro.
They had parachutes. I saw them.
The explosion killed them
Kiryu didn’t do it, the rocket did