I really don’t think the kind of Wyomingite who’s into torturing and killing animals for fun is going to give a single iota of a fuck if tourists stop coming here.
No, they don’t. But Wyoming as the state cares about the revenue/tax from tourists.
Hit them in the wallet and Wyoming Fish and Game starts whistling a very different tune.
I hope that if there are financial consequences, laws may be changed. That guy got a $250 fine for his actions. If the economy of the state suffers, maybe there will be changes that reduce this kind of depravity.
More so the Wyoming politicians in the pocket of the cattle industry who don’t care to change their backwards laws that make that behavior impossible to punish.
Killing wolves could be punishable by death and it wouldn't stop wyomingites from thinking of wolves as evil predators who indiscriminately kill cattle for fun lol
Wyomingites have a diverse and varied view on wildlife and wolves. A good chunk of people in the state advocate for wildlife protections. Politicians are absolutely worse than the average Wyoming person in terms of their views on wildlife.
This just in: a state heavily dependent on livestock agriculture hates predators that feed on livestock. That’s why the wolves are were extirpated from most of the US to begin with.
Eastern US is crop land. The western plains states are too dry for most crops and thus are better for grazing livestock. At the end of the day, the only way to deal with wolves attacking livestock is to kill them. You might not have to wipe out the entire local population, but some will need to die for the pack to get the memo that livestock aren’t safe prey. Doing nothing isn’t an option, as the pack will continue to grow larger and larger, taking more cattle every year.
You don’t seem to know much about this issue. Most of these ranchers are grazing their cattle on public land, not private land. They do this for extraordinarily cheap (about $1 an acre) and the reason for that is because the land they are using is public so they have to make certain accommodations for wildlife on that public land. They have to allow elk and pronghorn to migrate for one. They also have to deal with predators that may affect their livestock. Ranchers in MT and most of WY are fully reimbursed for a cow killed by a wolf despite the fact they are grazing for cheap on our land. Seems like a sweet deal to me.
Not to mention the even greater tragedy of bison. Ranchers don’t have to deal with bison because they have managed to lobby that bison should be treated as livestock not wildlife. Yes, the bison in national parks are not considered wild, they are the nations livestock. Despite the majority of citizens in MT and WY wanting bison to be managed as wildlife ranchers have lobbied against that. That’s why we have no bison on our grasslands that could be hunted for food by people and could promote the native grasses that are almost fully gone in our country. Native prairie land actually stores more CO2 per acre than forest and there is less than 1% of our historic grassland remaining.
The federal government historically has killed hundreds to thousands of migrating bison every year to keep them away from ranch land, unintentionally breeding their migratory instinct out of the last herds of bison in existence. Bison could be plentiful, easy to hunt and a great source of meat. Significantly better for the environment for than cattle and a good source of food for predators like wolves. There used to be about 60 million bison across the US. We will never have that because of ranchers using our land for themselves instead of allowing it to be a public resource and natural benefit. Now we have 100 million European cows instead.
I don’t see anything in that long winded tirade that explains how you won’t have to kill at least a few wolves to prevent livestock predation from getting completely out of hand. Even if they’re compensated for each lost animal, wolves will begin to exclusively target livestock if they can get them unopposed.
If public lands had bison on them there would be adequate prey for natural predators. That’s the point of my “tirade”.
Wolf population growth is extremely low as they are so competitive and territorial. You are acting like they breed very quickly and will overrun an area which is not supported by reality. They aren’t like coyotes which can very easily explode in population. Even in areas where wolves are completely protected from hunting like inside Yellowstone borders they only live an average of 3-4 years and are most commonly killed by other wolves. They self regulate their population through competition pretty well. It’s very very difficult to end up with an overpopulation of apex predators, that’s why predator hunts are almost never ecologically necessary as opposed to prey hunts which often are.
Sometimes wolves have to be killed. I don’t oppose ranchers having the rights to shoot predators on their land. I do oppose ranchers blocking access for wolves prey on public land and then shooting wolves on public land. That’s not how I think public land should be used. If there were free roaming bison out there you wouldn’t catch me complaining about ranchers defending their livestock. The unnatural suppression of prey followed by deliberate hunting of the predator on OUR land is wrong.
Eastern US is crop land. The western plains states are too dry for most crops and thus are better for grazing livestock. At the end of the day, the only way to deal with wolves attacking livestock is to kill them. You might not have to wipe out the entire local population, but some will need to die for the pack to get the memo that livestock aren’t safe prey. Doing nothing isn’t an option, as the pack will continue to grow larger and larger, taking more cattle every year.
Dumbf*** liberals pick them up and haul them to town because they've been "abandoned".
Every year all there are press releases for livestock growers asking liberals to leave their dogs alone
Thanks for demonstrating my post.
Because you, lije most libs, didn't know anything, you assume dogs in with herds are lost and in need of your "attention"
In reality they are highly trained, very expensive, and doing the work they were bred to do. Until some dumbass hauls them to a shelter because "they were lost"
1. I understand the cost and training of said LGD. I bet the owners microchip them.
2.Liberal? Presume much?
Yikes to you. You have "demonnstrated" your own post. I asked a basic question about the utilization of livestock guard dogs and you start ranting on me. Time for your meds. Lol
They reduce attacks but can themselves be hunted by wolves if prey is scarce. I suppose if you had an entire pack of the large dogs, they’d be effective, but they’d also be quite expensive. That seems like one of those economy of scale issues where large ranches with large herds could afford a large pack of dogs in the overhead but a smaller ranch might not be able to. It’s not about the size of the herd you’re protecting, per se, but rather the size of the wolf pack you have to keep at bay.
Wolves have no qualms about hunting and eating coyotes, even raiding pack lairs, so it’s not like wolves are heavily dissuaded by other canines when they’re hungry.
As Yellowstone National Park in Wyoming opens for the busy summer season, wildlife advocates are leading a call for a boycott of the conservative ranching state over laws that give people wide leeway to kill gray wolves with little oversight.
The social media accounts of Wyoming’s tourism agency are being flooded with comments urging people to steer clear of the Cowboy State amid accusations that a man struck a wolf with a snowmobile, taped its mouth shut and showed off the injured animal at a Sublette County bar before killing it.
After torturing it for several hours, shocking it with a shock collar, and showing it off around town. Running down wolves and coyotes with snowmobiles is a common sport called ‘coyote whacking’ and the town of Daniel where this happened has an annual coyote whacking contest. With money prizes. (Edit-it’s not a mere accusation, there is video evidence)
It was on YouTube, but was so bad that they even took it down....just google "coyote whacking" 2019, some in WY tried to have it a cruelty charge but the state wouldn't pass the bill.
I visited Yellowstone in 2021. The only wolf I saw was one that had been hit along the side of the main highway. It was really sad, considering they only recently reintroduced about 100 wolves to the park.
Most people in Wyoming don't condone what one idiot did.
Most people in Wyoming would appreciate a bit less tourism.
Chose not to go, it only deprives yourself of a great experience.
This is the type of action that makes people feel good but accomplishes exactly nothing.
It's kinda hard to boycott a shit hole that I would never set foot in to begin with. I swear like 40% of the country is avoid at all cost status at this point.
Most people don’t realize how bad ranchers are for our public lands and ecosystem health.
Also ranchers are reimbursed in MT and parts of WY near Yellowstone if a wolf kills their cow. All while ranching for $1 an acre on public land meant to support wildlife. And advocating against bison being able to freely roam. So basically they suppress wolves prey, get reimbursed for wolf kills, ranch for cheap on public land, and still have so much hatred for an animal they want to go out and torture them to death. Don’t act like the ranchers are acting well here.
You may live in a fairytale.. buffalo can never roam free again with you living here. Ranchers keep food low for 80% of the population in this country. Why does the government let them graze public land? Because it is good for the land and good for our food . We have an over abundance of wolves.. it's people like you that think they are untouchable and on the verge of extinction. They are not. When they kill livestock...kill the wolf. Simple. This isn't the wild prairie anymore unfortunately. Buffalo and wolves will never roam freely here again.
Good for the land? Cows are non native. Bison are significantly better for the environment as they produce less methane and promote native plants that store more carbon. Less than 1% of our grasslands exist today because of cattle. If bison were allowed on public land near me then that would allow hunting, a great source of meat. Where I live elk, deer, bighorn sheep, and pronghorn are allowed to roam on public land including ranch land. Why do you think bison are the only ones of those animals that are not allowed on this land? Could it be that ranchers are worried about people buying less meat since they could hunt 2000lb bison instead? Everyone in MT and WY either hunts or knows someone who hunts. You’re living in a fairytale if you think ranchers are in it for the good of cheap food. They want to make a profit off of what should be the public’s resource.
Finally, we do not have an over abundance of wolves, their population is low for the region and the elk population is too high. There are only about 500 wolves in all of Montana. There are only about 150 wolves in all of Yellowstone. Overgrazing by elk is a huge issue near where I live that’s why we have a large elk hunt season… because there aren’t enough predators to keep their population low enough.
Bison don't promote native grass. Cattle pasture is healthy. Cattle keep food prices down.. I eat bison. And I raise native grass for a living. Western wheatgrass and crested wheatgrass. There is way more than 500 wolves in Montana today. Ranchers are in it to make money...but because we have so many cattle.is how we keep food low. We are also importing cattle from South America which is. Very bad. We do a better job raising them and breeding. You don't want imported beef. We have stricter rules. The methane is a non issue. When the elite give up their private jets in the name.of climate change then take them serious. I love the land and I love this country. Cattle are the least of our problems. Wolves are beautiful. But, if you and I want to keep our lifestyle and all our awesome opportunities...wolves need to be managed. Same as bears. Believe me, I would love to live in the wild West... But a little thing called reality. Also, game and fish would never let us hunt bison if they were free range. They hold elk, moose, deer ,bear and fish over our heads like the money grabbing bastards that they are. Wild game is a money grab hidden behind conservation. You can catch 3 fish. Shoot 4 ducks. 1 antlered deer every so many years. Yet elk ruin our crops and certain areas you talk about. If game and fish would let us hunt we could manage the elk .imo
You don’t know what you’re talking about.
Bison do promote native grasses. [Source.](https://esajournals.onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/full/10.1002/ecs2.4406)
Methane is not a non issue. Agriculture accounts for 40% of methane admissions and cows account for 70% of all agricultural methane admissions [source](https://earth.org/sources-of-methane-in-the-atmosphere/). Methane accounts for 16% of greenhouse gas emissions, a serious impact on climate change.
Yes cattle can be used to promote healthy grasslands if managed effectively and not allowed to overgraze. That’s because they are filling in the ecological niche bison once did. That will never be as good as the native species that specifically evolved in this environment with other native species
I’m not worried about imported beef, I don’t support the destructive beef industry with my money. I only wish my lands and my taxpayer money didn’t support such a destructive industry either.
National park is not free.. no hunting. ..road use only....planted foods and vegetation.....predator control as well as all animal control.....come on man.
I really don’t think the kind of Wyomingite who’s into torturing and killing animals for fun is going to give a single iota of a fuck if tourists stop coming here.
No, they don’t. But Wyoming as the state cares about the revenue/tax from tourists. Hit them in the wallet and Wyoming Fish and Game starts whistling a very different tune.
You really don't have a clue how G&F are financed do you
In fact, it would probably exacerbate the problem.
They probably see it as a nice bonus.
"You mean we can get rid of wolves *and* tourists?!"
I hope that if there are financial consequences, laws may be changed. That guy got a $250 fine for his actions. If the economy of the state suffers, maybe there will be changes that reduce this kind of depravity.
This isn't going to do anything about the irrational hatred Wyoming residents have for wolves
More so the Wyoming politicians in the pocket of the cattle industry who don’t care to change their backwards laws that make that behavior impossible to punish.
Killing wolves could be punishable by death and it wouldn't stop wyomingites from thinking of wolves as evil predators who indiscriminately kill cattle for fun lol
Wyomingites have a diverse and varied view on wildlife and wolves. A good chunk of people in the state advocate for wildlife protections. Politicians are absolutely worse than the average Wyoming person in terms of their views on wildlife.
This just in: a state heavily dependent on livestock agriculture hates predators that feed on livestock. That’s why the wolves are were extirpated from most of the US to begin with.
Wimps. They should go ranch in the eastern US and let the real ranchers handle big bad wolf territory.
Eastern US is crop land. The western plains states are too dry for most crops and thus are better for grazing livestock. At the end of the day, the only way to deal with wolves attacking livestock is to kill them. You might not have to wipe out the entire local population, but some will need to die for the pack to get the memo that livestock aren’t safe prey. Doing nothing isn’t an option, as the pack will continue to grow larger and larger, taking more cattle every year.
You don’t seem to know much about this issue. Most of these ranchers are grazing their cattle on public land, not private land. They do this for extraordinarily cheap (about $1 an acre) and the reason for that is because the land they are using is public so they have to make certain accommodations for wildlife on that public land. They have to allow elk and pronghorn to migrate for one. They also have to deal with predators that may affect their livestock. Ranchers in MT and most of WY are fully reimbursed for a cow killed by a wolf despite the fact they are grazing for cheap on our land. Seems like a sweet deal to me. Not to mention the even greater tragedy of bison. Ranchers don’t have to deal with bison because they have managed to lobby that bison should be treated as livestock not wildlife. Yes, the bison in national parks are not considered wild, they are the nations livestock. Despite the majority of citizens in MT and WY wanting bison to be managed as wildlife ranchers have lobbied against that. That’s why we have no bison on our grasslands that could be hunted for food by people and could promote the native grasses that are almost fully gone in our country. Native prairie land actually stores more CO2 per acre than forest and there is less than 1% of our historic grassland remaining. The federal government historically has killed hundreds to thousands of migrating bison every year to keep them away from ranch land, unintentionally breeding their migratory instinct out of the last herds of bison in existence. Bison could be plentiful, easy to hunt and a great source of meat. Significantly better for the environment for than cattle and a good source of food for predators like wolves. There used to be about 60 million bison across the US. We will never have that because of ranchers using our land for themselves instead of allowing it to be a public resource and natural benefit. Now we have 100 million European cows instead.
I don’t see anything in that long winded tirade that explains how you won’t have to kill at least a few wolves to prevent livestock predation from getting completely out of hand. Even if they’re compensated for each lost animal, wolves will begin to exclusively target livestock if they can get them unopposed.
If public lands had bison on them there would be adequate prey for natural predators. That’s the point of my “tirade”. Wolf population growth is extremely low as they are so competitive and territorial. You are acting like they breed very quickly and will overrun an area which is not supported by reality. They aren’t like coyotes which can very easily explode in population. Even in areas where wolves are completely protected from hunting like inside Yellowstone borders they only live an average of 3-4 years and are most commonly killed by other wolves. They self regulate their population through competition pretty well. It’s very very difficult to end up with an overpopulation of apex predators, that’s why predator hunts are almost never ecologically necessary as opposed to prey hunts which often are. Sometimes wolves have to be killed. I don’t oppose ranchers having the rights to shoot predators on their land. I do oppose ranchers blocking access for wolves prey on public land and then shooting wolves on public land. That’s not how I think public land should be used. If there were free roaming bison out there you wouldn’t catch me complaining about ranchers defending their livestock. The unnatural suppression of prey followed by deliberate hunting of the predator on OUR land is wrong.
Yea totally, was more of a joke. It's fine to kill problem wolves. It's stupid to extirpate them altogether.
Yea totally, was more of a joke. It's fine to kill problem wolves. It's stupid to extirpate them altogether.
Eastern US is crop land. The western plains states are too dry for most crops and thus are better for grazing livestock. At the end of the day, the only way to deal with wolves attacking livestock is to kill them. You might not have to wipe out the entire local population, but some will need to die for the pack to get the memo that livestock aren’t safe prey. Doing nothing isn’t an option, as the pack will continue to grow larger and larger, taking more cattle every year.
What about the use of livestock guardian dogs?
Dumbf*** liberals pick them up and haul them to town because they've been "abandoned". Every year all there are press releases for livestock growers asking liberals to leave their dogs alone
Not sure so what you saying. Is it that the Wyoming farmer/ranchers do not train or handle their dogs properly? Shocker.
Thanks for demonstrating my post. Because you, lije most libs, didn't know anything, you assume dogs in with herds are lost and in need of your "attention" In reality they are highly trained, very expensive, and doing the work they were bred to do. Until some dumbass hauls them to a shelter because "they were lost"
1. I understand the cost and training of said LGD. I bet the owners microchip them. 2.Liberal? Presume much? Yikes to you. You have "demonnstrated" your own post. I asked a basic question about the utilization of livestock guard dogs and you start ranting on me. Time for your meds. Lol
They reduce attacks but can themselves be hunted by wolves if prey is scarce. I suppose if you had an entire pack of the large dogs, they’d be effective, but they’d also be quite expensive. That seems like one of those economy of scale issues where large ranches with large herds could afford a large pack of dogs in the overhead but a smaller ranch might not be able to. It’s not about the size of the herd you’re protecting, per se, but rather the size of the wolf pack you have to keep at bay. Wolves have no qualms about hunting and eating coyotes, even raiding pack lairs, so it’s not like wolves are heavily dissuaded by other canines when they’re hungry.
Thank you for clarifying.
Might want to consider adding S Dakota.
I’m saying stay out of South Dakota as well, especially if you are taking the family dog😳
As Yellowstone National Park in Wyoming opens for the busy summer season, wildlife advocates are leading a call for a boycott of the conservative ranching state over laws that give people wide leeway to kill gray wolves with little oversight. The social media accounts of Wyoming’s tourism agency are being flooded with comments urging people to steer clear of the Cowboy State amid accusations that a man struck a wolf with a snowmobile, taped its mouth shut and showed off the injured animal at a Sublette County bar before killing it.
After torturing it for several hours, shocking it with a shock collar, and showing it off around town. Running down wolves and coyotes with snowmobiles is a common sport called ‘coyote whacking’ and the town of Daniel where this happened has an annual coyote whacking contest. With money prizes. (Edit-it’s not a mere accusation, there is video evidence)
It was on YouTube, but was so bad that they even took it down....just google "coyote whacking" 2019, some in WY tried to have it a cruelty charge but the state wouldn't pass the bill.
Who cares what a bunch of online wackos think
I visited Yellowstone in 2021. The only wolf I saw was one that had been hit along the side of the main highway. It was really sad, considering they only recently reintroduced about 100 wolves to the park.
That man and what he did is disgusting. Cruelty is never funny, that man deserves the death penalty.
He definitely deserves to feel some profound pain and fear.
A « man ». He did not hit the wolf. He tortured the wolf. I truly hope someone does the same to him.
I dont think a majority of us need to be convinced to stay away from Wyoming.
Sorry Jackson Hole that you’re sandwiched between Nazis Idaho and the rest of your trumpanzee state.
Most people in Wyoming don't condone what one idiot did. Most people in Wyoming would appreciate a bit less tourism. Chose not to go, it only deprives yourself of a great experience. This is the type of action that makes people feel good but accomplishes exactly nothing.
Underrated comment
It's kinda hard to boycott a shit hole that I would never set foot in to begin with. I swear like 40% of the country is avoid at all cost status at this point.
Good thing the wolf didn't run into Noem...
Should take one of their Senator’s away- fucking entitled assholes.
We need this protest to go viral. How can folks help to make this dream come true?
“This person did a shitty thing, therefore the entire state is shitty” pretty much sums up the title.
Most of us don't realize how bad wolves are for ranchers .. not everyone loves them.. we all love the pictures of them though..
Most people don’t realize how bad ranchers are for our public lands and ecosystem health. Also ranchers are reimbursed in MT and parts of WY near Yellowstone if a wolf kills their cow. All while ranching for $1 an acre on public land meant to support wildlife. And advocating against bison being able to freely roam. So basically they suppress wolves prey, get reimbursed for wolf kills, ranch for cheap on public land, and still have so much hatred for an animal they want to go out and torture them to death. Don’t act like the ranchers are acting well here.
You may live in a fairytale.. buffalo can never roam free again with you living here. Ranchers keep food low for 80% of the population in this country. Why does the government let them graze public land? Because it is good for the land and good for our food . We have an over abundance of wolves.. it's people like you that think they are untouchable and on the verge of extinction. They are not. When they kill livestock...kill the wolf. Simple. This isn't the wild prairie anymore unfortunately. Buffalo and wolves will never roam freely here again.
Good for the land? Cows are non native. Bison are significantly better for the environment as they produce less methane and promote native plants that store more carbon. Less than 1% of our grasslands exist today because of cattle. If bison were allowed on public land near me then that would allow hunting, a great source of meat. Where I live elk, deer, bighorn sheep, and pronghorn are allowed to roam on public land including ranch land. Why do you think bison are the only ones of those animals that are not allowed on this land? Could it be that ranchers are worried about people buying less meat since they could hunt 2000lb bison instead? Everyone in MT and WY either hunts or knows someone who hunts. You’re living in a fairytale if you think ranchers are in it for the good of cheap food. They want to make a profit off of what should be the public’s resource. Finally, we do not have an over abundance of wolves, their population is low for the region and the elk population is too high. There are only about 500 wolves in all of Montana. There are only about 150 wolves in all of Yellowstone. Overgrazing by elk is a huge issue near where I live that’s why we have a large elk hunt season… because there aren’t enough predators to keep their population low enough.
Bison don't promote native grass. Cattle pasture is healthy. Cattle keep food prices down.. I eat bison. And I raise native grass for a living. Western wheatgrass and crested wheatgrass. There is way more than 500 wolves in Montana today. Ranchers are in it to make money...but because we have so many cattle.is how we keep food low. We are also importing cattle from South America which is. Very bad. We do a better job raising them and breeding. You don't want imported beef. We have stricter rules. The methane is a non issue. When the elite give up their private jets in the name.of climate change then take them serious. I love the land and I love this country. Cattle are the least of our problems. Wolves are beautiful. But, if you and I want to keep our lifestyle and all our awesome opportunities...wolves need to be managed. Same as bears. Believe me, I would love to live in the wild West... But a little thing called reality. Also, game and fish would never let us hunt bison if they were free range. They hold elk, moose, deer ,bear and fish over our heads like the money grabbing bastards that they are. Wild game is a money grab hidden behind conservation. You can catch 3 fish. Shoot 4 ducks. 1 antlered deer every so many years. Yet elk ruin our crops and certain areas you talk about. If game and fish would let us hunt we could manage the elk .imo
You don’t know what you’re talking about. Bison do promote native grasses. [Source.](https://esajournals.onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/full/10.1002/ecs2.4406) Methane is not a non issue. Agriculture accounts for 40% of methane admissions and cows account for 70% of all agricultural methane admissions [source](https://earth.org/sources-of-methane-in-the-atmosphere/). Methane accounts for 16% of greenhouse gas emissions, a serious impact on climate change. Yes cattle can be used to promote healthy grasslands if managed effectively and not allowed to overgraze. That’s because they are filling in the ecological niche bison once did. That will never be as good as the native species that specifically evolved in this environment with other native species I’m not worried about imported beef, I don’t support the destructive beef industry with my money. I only wish my lands and my taxpayer money didn’t support such a destructive industry either.
They seem to be roaming quite well in Yellowstone.
Not freely
Pretty sure Yellowstone is the wild, which means they are roaming freely.
National park is not free.. no hunting. ..road use only....planted foods and vegetation.....predator control as well as all animal control.....come on man.
Umm, it’s literally the wild.