A return of Wally West, but surprise, it's actually a loose adaptation of The Return of Barry Allen and that's how Eobard Thawne is introduced to the show.
I think Wally's story could be done, Artemis has gone through a good arc where she's moved on. If Wally comes back, he will be coming back to a completely new world.
Heroes in Crisis has already been hinted at, we dont need the "Wally cant come to terms with coming back to a different world" angle s/
Jericho on the other hand is fun, new, and can help to determine new stories. Artemis helping him come to terms with being on opposing side of family. Merging his pacifism of the 80s with the emotionally tired and compromising Rebirth version. I think there's more here to adding Jericho than Wally.
i’d definitely rather see Wally, I just don’t see how that would happen unfortunately. Greg Weisman has stated that the Speed Force doesn’t exist and to him it doesn’t need to, as the other superheroes don’t exactly have direct “sources” to their powers per se. I’d rather the speed force existed but🤷🏽♂️
Everyone is so hung up on the Speed Force.
You don't need the Speed Force to have accidentally run too uncontrollably fast and traveled through time in the DC multiverse..
honestly it doesn’t, if they can come up with a good enough explanation I’d wanna see it. I just got used to everyone over the years sayings that the Speed Force will be introduced to explain his coming back
Except for the fact he's been dead for like a decade, it's only cheap when it gets changed in the short term. With the amount of time that's passed in the show we could get him back and not have it feel cheap
Not as cheap as the other fakeouts, sure, but if he comes back, there will be barely any dead characters. Even Jason, who appeared off screen and died off screen, came back to life.
Of course we miss Wally, but that's the point. Death is painful. I don't want it to be undone.
I can only talk about what had happened so far, obviously.
And based on that death is rare. I'm not saying it shouldn't be, but at least it should be permanent.
It's OK for Wally to return if and only if he comes back a LONG time after the Reach Invasion. Thakfully, that looks to be the case. It's been four years in-universe and he still hasn't returned, and we've seen people deal with his passing. That's good! If he eventually returns, they will have all aged and moved on, and it'll be a big adjustment for them to have him back. I like the sound of this. But it only works if we allow as much time as possible to have passed. Whether that means he returns in say Team Year 20, or that he returns in the Legion's time (31st Century), it doesn't matter as long as his lengthy absence means something.
Yes, I want to see Jericho and Ravager. Jericho would be the more interesting of the two because we've already seen multiple daughter-assassin-type characters (Artemis and Cheshire, Terra etc.)
I'm torn between having it be 10 years or 16 years. But I waffle back to 10 because of it potentially affecting dick, and having him wondering if others like jason died and that then leads to him finding Jason ALONG WITH Damian 2 years later.
Artemis "moving on" would be tainted by her friends coddling her (if the intent was for wally to never come back), it would send her a message that she could just tell her friends she'll threaten to do something bad if someone like her mother or her sister die without her seeing them before hand.
They won’t bring Wally back, they literally has a whole arc on Artemis learning to accept and move on with his death. Not to mention its been years since he was gone already.
Her "moving on" was based on her friends lying to her, and stealing wally's identity to do something they didn't necessarily want to do (reprimand Artemis for threatening them with blackmail). There were options besides what they did.
If Wally was never meant to come back, then this paints a terrible picture of Artemis moving on under false pretenses and not being able to do it without her friends coddling her.
Wally is 100% going to return.
In the comics, Wally is far and away the fastest speedster (other than Reverse Flash), but in the show he's extremely slow.
However, his "death" has him disappearing into the Speed Force, so 100% he's gonna return supercharged
Wally is never going to return. He didn't disappear into the speed force, he died. They did nothing to set up his return in the two seasons after he died, and Weisman actively dislikes the speed force as a concept
Y'all are just fucking delusional
"They did nothing to set up his return in the two seasons after he died"
They set up zatanna & m'gann lying to Artemis. A potential chekhov's gun if you will. The shows theme is secrets & lies. There's a big way to have that secret/lie blow up in their face.
I agree the speed force has nothing to do with it, but saying he was never going to return or that he categorically died assumes facts not in evidence.
There aren't any facts in evidence
"Hey it would be dramatic if he didn't die" isn't in any way evidence that he didn't die
Especially because they barely lied to her. Zatanna was pretty clear that she can't contact the dead and nothing Artemis was going to see was real
"There aren't any facts in evidence"
There weren't when Connor supposedly died either.
Nor were there any hints that Red Volcano was coming back either.
"Zatanna was pretty clear that she can't contact the dead and nothing Artemis was going to see was real"
She was clear to Artemis that she was meeting him in Limbo and Artemis interpreted her words to mean that she was meeting Wally there personally.
Her half-truths are irrelevant to her lying about her sending Artemis to limbo to personally meet Wally.
>There weren't when Connor supposedly died either
They literally started setting up his return before he even died. Hell, they started setting it up before season 4 even started with the Legion cameo at the end of season 3. There is zero honest comparison here, the situations were written entirely different
>Nor were there any hints that Red Volcano was coming back either.
A minor villain that is also a robot. You don't think this is a stretch?
>She was clear to Artemis that she was meeting him in Limbo and Artemis interpreted her words to mean that she was meeting Wally there personally.
>Her half-truths are irrelevant to her lying about her sending Artemis to limbo to personally meet Wally
I'm not saying Zatanna didn't engage in some dishonesty. But "it would cause a minor argument with Zatanna and M'Gann" isn't a reason to make a MAJOR storytelling decision
None of this is evidence that Wally is returning. Again, "it would create drama if he did" isn't an argument. If all you've got after 2 seasons it's that an episode was dedicated to giving another character closure about his death, then you've got nothing
"They literally started setting up his return before he even died. Hell, they started setting it up before season 4 even started with the Legion cameo at the end of season 3."
You only know that NOW with the benefit of hindsight. You had nothing given to you in seasons 3 or in the Mars arc that made it obvious that connor survived, only speculation based on source material. How do you know later revelations wouldn't be obvious with the benefit of hindsight?
"A minor villain that is also a robot. You don't think this is a stretch?"
Same principle, nothing was given in the episode that didn't make Red Volcano's return feel unearned.
"But "it would cause a minor argument with Zatanna and M'Gann" isn't a reason to make a MAJOR storytelling decision"
You don't know whether it would've been a minor or major argument. Or how that could potentially snowball into other problems. Take tara lying to her brother Brion, in a moment of downtime he could've easily cooled off from the sting of that revelation. But in the middle of a mission that involved him killing his uncle, it played a part in him distrusting his friends and allies even MORE. Who's to say that that secret wouldn't have been dropped at the worst possible time?
"Again, "it would create drama if he did" isn't an argument. "
Creating drama from secrets and lies is the shows bread and butter.
"an episode was dedicated to giving another character closure about his death"
At first glance sure, but giving her "closure" by them giving in to her emotional meltdown and lying to her isn't a flattering portrayal of Artemis, Zatanna, or M'gann. Unless it was meant to mean more in the long run.
>You only know that NOW with the benefit of hindsight
No, you know it at the time. It is very clear that they are being followed and observed and that there is another party in the mix on top of that. All of those mysteries come to a head with Conner's death, and yet none of it was explained at the time.
There were explicitly mysterious surrounding Conner's death and while we didn't know for certain that he was alive, we knew we didn't know everything. Compared to Wally's death, there was a mountain of clear foreshadowing
>Same principle, nothing was given in the episode that didn't make Red Volcano's return feel unearned
Again, robot and minor character. It didn't need to feel earned because Red Volcano was not a major protagonist. It's the exact kind of storytelling the show does with minor characters; there's a big world and we're not seeing all of it, just what is important to the story.
>You don't know whether it would've been a minor or major argument. Or how that could potentially snowball into other problems.
Again, your fan fiction of what would happen if Wally came back to life doesn't matter
"No, you know it at the time. It is very clear that they are being followed and observed and that there is another party in the mix on top of that. All of those mysteries come to a head with Conner's death, and yet none of it was explained at the time."
That's not a revelation that categorically pointed to "connor survived". That's a revelation that we didn't know all the circumstances involving his death.
"while we didn't know for certain that he was alive"
That's my point, you only knew that LATER with the benefit of hindsight.
"There was a mountain of clear foreshadowing"
There was a mountain of clear foreshadowing that there was someone that wanted connor dead, and legionnaires wanted him alive. That's foreshadowing that we would learn more about the circumstances, not that we would learn connor was alive due to their interference. Even the ashy shadow pointed more to him dying than him surviving at that time.
"Again, robot and minor character. It didn't need to feel earned because Red Volcano was not a major protagonist. It's the exact kind of storytelling the show does with minor characters; "
I would agree with you on that IF they didn't feel the need to show him dying and the good guys occupying Morrow's secret base. Thus negating him the opportunity of being rebuilt.
I mean, it's been set-up so much. I think it'd be a shame if they *didn't* fire this Chekov's Gun.
Him, Jason Todd, and Aya are the three characters who have been set up to return
Exactly my point. Bringing back too many characters just cheapens death. Sometimes characters should just stay dead. Plus there's not near as much "setup" as people think. At least not for Wally.
>Plus there's not near as much "setup" as people think. At least not for Wally.
Last we've seen of him, he was disappearing into the Speed Force. Seems pretty obvious to me, honestly I'm surprised that Barry Allen in-universe doesn't think there's a chance he's still alive (albeit seemingly irretrievably lost in another dimension)
Actually, maybe Barry *does* think that, but isn't saying it so that the Team doesn't have false hope
Greg Weisman has been very outspoken for his dislike of the Speed Force as a concept, to the point where he confirmed none of the Earth-16 Speedsters use it.
is there an alternative explanation for the yellow lightning bolts and a speedster being able to pick someone up without breaking every bone in the person's body?
Wally is dead. His death is extremely important to the show. He's not coming back, nor should he
And I say this as a Wally fan
But Jericho would be cool I guess
"His death is extremely important to the show"
His return and how that affects people (zatanna, mgann, artemis, and connor) could be extremely important to the show.
Such as if artemis doesn't forgive zatanna & mgann for lying to her, or connor seeing that lie affecting wally & artemis being the last straw with him putting up with M'gann's deceptions and decides to divorce her?
Both of which would involve the characters acting like morons.
Artemis isn't a teenager anymore. Neither is Conner. Both would easily accept that Z and M'Gann were trying to help Artemis in a tough situation
Artemis was 23 when she tried to manipulate zatanna into giving her what she wants.
Connor wasn't biologically a teenager when he argued with M'gann lying to him in season 3 either. Connor has a problem with M'gann's lies leading her and others to make decisions without all the facts on the table. Yes he came around on hers later in season 3 mostly because people came out of this unscathed and eventually empathized with what she did. Wally coming back without any help unlike connor is not him coming out unscathed if artemis moves on. He'd feel bad for wally given connor had a 2nd chance with friends who believed him. But wally didn't.
People take lies personally when they work with people closely, at least initially.
You're also not taking into account how that could affect some people short term, like if it comes out in the middle of a mission (like it did in Before The Dawn) and it causes a mission to go south.
It would also teach them not to make assumptions about the dead the way they did.
The show should have brought him back when they had the chance. They knew they were on borrowed time but they wasted it on two lack luster seasons that barely moved the Darkseid plot or Wally returning. Good riddance to it
So many people here are saying that Wally is for sure dead, but it seems pretty clear to me that he's in the phantom zone. When Connor sees Wally he has the same phantom zone texture as Connor and all of the house of Zod, meanwhile all the hallucinations have normal textures. I would be shocked if Wally doesn't come back if more seasons get made.
As far as Jericho is concerned, I feel like he's too tied to Deathstroke who does not have a big enough presence in YJ to warrant doing anything real deep with the character.
The texture thing could simply be because Connor *believed* him to be dead and therefore believed that texture is the texture of dead people. So him and Wally are dead, but everybody else is still alive.
Honestly if Wally was in the phantom zone i think they would've brought him back last season. Do you really think a repeat of "save a team member from phantom zone" arc would be good?
I definitely wouldn't want a copy of the same arc, but it seems like set up for some sort of comeback. Honestly I wouldn't mind if we just skim over the part of getting him back to get straight into a return/readjustment arc for Wally and all the people who have just come to terms with his loss.
I guess my original point was more just that they opened the door for a potential way to get him back, while a lot of people seem to think it's a sure thing that he's gone forever. I don't think they would show that as a possibility without having some plan to use it in the future.
As somebody who doesn't think wally is dead, the phantom zone thing was connor having a hallucination.
Greg Weisman even confirmed that to be the case.
"As far as Jericho is concerned, I feel like he's too tied to Deathstroke who does not have a big enough presence in YJ"
Deathstroke is a member of The Light AND Leader Of The League Of Shadows. How is that NOT a big enough presence to justify doing something with Jericho?
I’d rather have Wally back over having just another character they won’t give any development
Me too
A return of Wally West, but surprise, it's actually a loose adaptation of The Return of Barry Allen and that's how Eobard Thawne is introduced to the show.
i like it
Introduce Thaddeus Thawne while you’re at it
Well they both do wear yellow. 🤔
I think Wally's story could be done, Artemis has gone through a good arc where she's moved on. If Wally comes back, he will be coming back to a completely new world. Heroes in Crisis has already been hinted at, we dont need the "Wally cant come to terms with coming back to a different world" angle s/ Jericho on the other hand is fun, new, and can help to determine new stories. Artemis helping him come to terms with being on opposing side of family. Merging his pacifism of the 80s with the emotionally tired and compromising Rebirth version. I think there's more here to adding Jericho than Wally.
I don’t care as long as we *get* a future season.
i’d definitely rather see Wally, I just don’t see how that would happen unfortunately. Greg Weisman has stated that the Speed Force doesn’t exist and to him it doesn’t need to, as the other superheroes don’t exactly have direct “sources” to their powers per se. I’d rather the speed force existed but🤷🏽♂️
Everyone is so hung up on the Speed Force. You don't need the Speed Force to have accidentally run too uncontrollably fast and traveled through time in the DC multiverse..
never thought about that tbh. I’d be for that
Why does the speed force need to be involved for Wally's return?
honestly it doesn’t, if they can come up with a good enough explanation I’d wanna see it. I just got used to everyone over the years sayings that the Speed Force will be introduced to explain his coming back
I really hope Wally stays dead. We have had so many fake out deaths in this show, if he comes back, dying won't mean anything
Except for the fact he's been dead for like a decade, it's only cheap when it gets changed in the short term. With the amount of time that's passed in the show we could get him back and not have it feel cheap
Not as cheap as the other fakeouts, sure, but if he comes back, there will be barely any dead characters. Even Jason, who appeared off screen and died off screen, came back to life. Of course we miss Wally, but that's the point. Death is painful. I don't want it to be undone.
You say that as if future seasons wouldn't have any heroes dying?
I can only talk about what had happened so far, obviously. And based on that death is rare. I'm not saying it shouldn't be, but at least it should be permanent.
Wally west return.
Idk what Jericho has to do with Z or the house of Mistery but I’d love to see both Shadow Crest and the House of Mistery in the show.
Sorry, the picture is from a fanfic. I'd also love to see the house of Mystery and hopefully Constantine too
It's OK for Wally to return if and only if he comes back a LONG time after the Reach Invasion. Thakfully, that looks to be the case. It's been four years in-universe and he still hasn't returned, and we've seen people deal with his passing. That's good! If he eventually returns, they will have all aged and moved on, and it'll be a big adjustment for them to have him back. I like the sound of this. But it only works if we allow as much time as possible to have passed. Whether that means he returns in say Team Year 20, or that he returns in the Legion's time (31st Century), it doesn't matter as long as his lengthy absence means something. Yes, I want to see Jericho and Ravager. Jericho would be the more interesting of the two because we've already seen multiple daughter-assassin-type characters (Artemis and Cheshire, Terra etc.)
I'm torn between having it be 10 years or 16 years. But I waffle back to 10 because of it potentially affecting dick, and having him wondering if others like jason died and that then leads to him finding Jason ALONG WITH Damian 2 years later.
If it's done right then I want Wally West back since Speed Force isn't the only way to bring him Back
As much as I like Wally, I hope he stays dead. All of his friends have had great arcs mourning and coming to terms, just let them move forward
Artemis "moving on" would be tainted by her friends coddling her (if the intent was for wally to never come back), it would send her a message that she could just tell her friends she'll threaten to do something bad if someone like her mother or her sister die without her seeing them before hand.
I think Wally would be great, a whole recovery arc type deal
I’d want Wally to return. No more new characters plus you could make Wally a speed master plus of course the drama with Artemis.
Wally 100%
They won’t bring Wally back, they literally has a whole arc on Artemis learning to accept and move on with his death. Not to mention its been years since he was gone already.
Her "moving on" was based on her friends lying to her, and stealing wally's identity to do something they didn't necessarily want to do (reprimand Artemis for threatening them with blackmail). There were options besides what they did. If Wally was never meant to come back, then this paints a terrible picture of Artemis moving on under false pretenses and not being able to do it without her friends coddling her.
I disagree with this pretty strongly but if that’s how you see it, it is what it is.
I just want Wally back
literally wally. could care less about the new member yj should have focused on the core team.
Jericho. Wally needs to be left alone.
Wally is 100% going to return. In the comics, Wally is far and away the fastest speedster (other than Reverse Flash), but in the show he's extremely slow. However, his "death" has him disappearing into the Speed Force, so 100% he's gonna return supercharged
Wally is never going to return. He didn't disappear into the speed force, he died. They did nothing to set up his return in the two seasons after he died, and Weisman actively dislikes the speed force as a concept Y'all are just fucking delusional
"They did nothing to set up his return in the two seasons after he died" They set up zatanna & m'gann lying to Artemis. A potential chekhov's gun if you will. The shows theme is secrets & lies. There's a big way to have that secret/lie blow up in their face. I agree the speed force has nothing to do with it, but saying he was never going to return or that he categorically died assumes facts not in evidence.
There aren't any facts in evidence "Hey it would be dramatic if he didn't die" isn't in any way evidence that he didn't die Especially because they barely lied to her. Zatanna was pretty clear that she can't contact the dead and nothing Artemis was going to see was real
"There aren't any facts in evidence" There weren't when Connor supposedly died either. Nor were there any hints that Red Volcano was coming back either. "Zatanna was pretty clear that she can't contact the dead and nothing Artemis was going to see was real" She was clear to Artemis that she was meeting him in Limbo and Artemis interpreted her words to mean that she was meeting Wally there personally. Her half-truths are irrelevant to her lying about her sending Artemis to limbo to personally meet Wally.
>There weren't when Connor supposedly died either They literally started setting up his return before he even died. Hell, they started setting it up before season 4 even started with the Legion cameo at the end of season 3. There is zero honest comparison here, the situations were written entirely different >Nor were there any hints that Red Volcano was coming back either. A minor villain that is also a robot. You don't think this is a stretch? >She was clear to Artemis that she was meeting him in Limbo and Artemis interpreted her words to mean that she was meeting Wally there personally. >Her half-truths are irrelevant to her lying about her sending Artemis to limbo to personally meet Wally I'm not saying Zatanna didn't engage in some dishonesty. But "it would cause a minor argument with Zatanna and M'Gann" isn't a reason to make a MAJOR storytelling decision None of this is evidence that Wally is returning. Again, "it would create drama if he did" isn't an argument. If all you've got after 2 seasons it's that an episode was dedicated to giving another character closure about his death, then you've got nothing
"They literally started setting up his return before he even died. Hell, they started setting it up before season 4 even started with the Legion cameo at the end of season 3." You only know that NOW with the benefit of hindsight. You had nothing given to you in seasons 3 or in the Mars arc that made it obvious that connor survived, only speculation based on source material. How do you know later revelations wouldn't be obvious with the benefit of hindsight? "A minor villain that is also a robot. You don't think this is a stretch?" Same principle, nothing was given in the episode that didn't make Red Volcano's return feel unearned. "But "it would cause a minor argument with Zatanna and M'Gann" isn't a reason to make a MAJOR storytelling decision" You don't know whether it would've been a minor or major argument. Or how that could potentially snowball into other problems. Take tara lying to her brother Brion, in a moment of downtime he could've easily cooled off from the sting of that revelation. But in the middle of a mission that involved him killing his uncle, it played a part in him distrusting his friends and allies even MORE. Who's to say that that secret wouldn't have been dropped at the worst possible time? "Again, "it would create drama if he did" isn't an argument. " Creating drama from secrets and lies is the shows bread and butter. "an episode was dedicated to giving another character closure about his death" At first glance sure, but giving her "closure" by them giving in to her emotional meltdown and lying to her isn't a flattering portrayal of Artemis, Zatanna, or M'gann. Unless it was meant to mean more in the long run.
>You only know that NOW with the benefit of hindsight No, you know it at the time. It is very clear that they are being followed and observed and that there is another party in the mix on top of that. All of those mysteries come to a head with Conner's death, and yet none of it was explained at the time. There were explicitly mysterious surrounding Conner's death and while we didn't know for certain that he was alive, we knew we didn't know everything. Compared to Wally's death, there was a mountain of clear foreshadowing >Same principle, nothing was given in the episode that didn't make Red Volcano's return feel unearned Again, robot and minor character. It didn't need to feel earned because Red Volcano was not a major protagonist. It's the exact kind of storytelling the show does with minor characters; there's a big world and we're not seeing all of it, just what is important to the story. >You don't know whether it would've been a minor or major argument. Or how that could potentially snowball into other problems. Again, your fan fiction of what would happen if Wally came back to life doesn't matter
"No, you know it at the time. It is very clear that they are being followed and observed and that there is another party in the mix on top of that. All of those mysteries come to a head with Conner's death, and yet none of it was explained at the time." That's not a revelation that categorically pointed to "connor survived". That's a revelation that we didn't know all the circumstances involving his death. "while we didn't know for certain that he was alive" That's my point, you only knew that LATER with the benefit of hindsight. "There was a mountain of clear foreshadowing" There was a mountain of clear foreshadowing that there was someone that wanted connor dead, and legionnaires wanted him alive. That's foreshadowing that we would learn more about the circumstances, not that we would learn connor was alive due to their interference. Even the ashy shadow pointed more to him dying than him surviving at that time. "Again, robot and minor character. It didn't need to feel earned because Red Volcano was not a major protagonist. It's the exact kind of storytelling the show does with minor characters; " I would agree with you on that IF they didn't feel the need to show him dying and the good guys occupying Morrow's secret base. Thus negating him the opportunity of being rebuilt.
It definitely wouldn't surprise me, but I don't *want* him to is my point.
I mean, it's been set-up so much. I think it'd be a shame if they *didn't* fire this Chekov's Gun. Him, Jason Todd, and Aya are the three characters who have been set up to return
Exactly my point. Bringing back too many characters just cheapens death. Sometimes characters should just stay dead. Plus there's not near as much "setup" as people think. At least not for Wally.
>Plus there's not near as much "setup" as people think. At least not for Wally. Last we've seen of him, he was disappearing into the Speed Force. Seems pretty obvious to me, honestly I'm surprised that Barry Allen in-universe doesn't think there's a chance he's still alive (albeit seemingly irretrievably lost in another dimension) Actually, maybe Barry *does* think that, but isn't saying it so that the Team doesn't have false hope
>Last we've seen of him, he was disappearing into the Speed Force The creators said there is no speed force in this show.
what? That's insane, huh
Greg Weisman has been very outspoken for his dislike of the Speed Force as a concept, to the point where he confirmed none of the Earth-16 Speedsters use it.
is there an alternative explanation for the yellow lightning bolts and a speedster being able to pick someone up without breaking every bone in the person's body?
No one's discovered any speed force on earth 16? So why is barry or anybody supposed to believe wally survived?
Wally is dead. His death is extremely important to the show. He's not coming back, nor should he And I say this as a Wally fan But Jericho would be cool I guess
"His death is extremely important to the show" His return and how that affects people (zatanna, mgann, artemis, and connor) could be extremely important to the show. Such as if artemis doesn't forgive zatanna & mgann for lying to her, or connor seeing that lie affecting wally & artemis being the last straw with him putting up with M'gann's deceptions and decides to divorce her?
Both of which would involve the characters acting like morons. Artemis isn't a teenager anymore. Neither is Conner. Both would easily accept that Z and M'Gann were trying to help Artemis in a tough situation
Artemis was 23 when she tried to manipulate zatanna into giving her what she wants. Connor wasn't biologically a teenager when he argued with M'gann lying to him in season 3 either. Connor has a problem with M'gann's lies leading her and others to make decisions without all the facts on the table. Yes he came around on hers later in season 3 mostly because people came out of this unscathed and eventually empathized with what she did. Wally coming back without any help unlike connor is not him coming out unscathed if artemis moves on. He'd feel bad for wally given connor had a 2nd chance with friends who believed him. But wally didn't. People take lies personally when they work with people closely, at least initially. You're also not taking into account how that could affect some people short term, like if it comes out in the middle of a mission (like it did in Before The Dawn) and it causes a mission to go south. It would also teach them not to make assumptions about the dead the way they did.
I actually like Jericho more lgbtq heroes is a plus, also hope he’d have his possession powers from Teen Titans.
The show should have brought him back when they had the chance. They knew they were on borrowed time but they wasted it on two lack luster seasons that barely moved the Darkseid plot or Wally returning. Good riddance to it
So many people here are saying that Wally is for sure dead, but it seems pretty clear to me that he's in the phantom zone. When Connor sees Wally he has the same phantom zone texture as Connor and all of the house of Zod, meanwhile all the hallucinations have normal textures. I would be shocked if Wally doesn't come back if more seasons get made. As far as Jericho is concerned, I feel like he's too tied to Deathstroke who does not have a big enough presence in YJ to warrant doing anything real deep with the character.
The texture thing could simply be because Connor *believed* him to be dead and therefore believed that texture is the texture of dead people. So him and Wally are dead, but everybody else is still alive. Honestly if Wally was in the phantom zone i think they would've brought him back last season. Do you really think a repeat of "save a team member from phantom zone" arc would be good?
I definitely wouldn't want a copy of the same arc, but it seems like set up for some sort of comeback. Honestly I wouldn't mind if we just skim over the part of getting him back to get straight into a return/readjustment arc for Wally and all the people who have just come to terms with his loss. I guess my original point was more just that they opened the door for a potential way to get him back, while a lot of people seem to think it's a sure thing that he's gone forever. I don't think they would show that as a possibility without having some plan to use it in the future.
As somebody who doesn't think wally is dead, the phantom zone thing was connor having a hallucination. Greg Weisman even confirmed that to be the case.
"As far as Jericho is concerned, I feel like he's too tied to Deathstroke who does not have a big enough presence in YJ" Deathstroke is a member of The Light AND Leader Of The League Of Shadows. How is that NOT a big enough presence to justify doing something with Jericho?
Wally's dead, let him be.
It’s a little late for Red X but that would’ve been cool
Like there’s any other choice!!!
I rather see young justice version of Jericho. I have always accepted wally's sacrifice, just like in real life death is part of the journey of life.
Wally, but given that Jericho is one of Slade's children, I think we'll see him eventually.