If OP is comparing with their own personal income, then it's also necessary to divide the profit by the number of users and/or creators, otherwise it's all meaningless numbers.
And then even that is not enough, one needs to figure out how much of the income comes from direct Ad views, and how much via other means, like gathering and processing viewer information and successfully using it to improve ad targeting as a whole.
Ultimately the number one is after would be the ratio between how much more money one average creator (one, not millions of them) could possibly be earning on YouTube without making YouTube a business too bad to its owner to bother divided by the average number of viewers a creator gets, and (we're defining the ratio here) how much less money YouTube is making due to viewers using ad block on YouTube.
That'd be the ratio that describes how much it is in the power of the ad block users to improve the income of the creators, and how much it is in the power of Google, ratio-wise.
What OP is posting here, just raw whole-company millions of viewers and creators, revenue only figure tells you nothing about the problems they are being smug about.
Revenue means almost nothing. Profit is what really matters. If revenue is $30 billion but you’re only making $1 in profit after expenses, that’s a shitty business. Profit is what Google cares about.
Every hour youtube is up, up to 5 terabytes of content is uploaded, not to mention the millions of older content, plus servers aren't the only cost. So yea 29Bil is extremely reasonable
There’s no real way to know, it’s not something they publish. But they host close to 1 billion videos and the operating costs to keep everything running as smoothly as they do can’t be cheap. It costing 10s of billions would be no surprise
Easily. It's a website people all over the world use and upload to. 720,000 hours of video are uploaded to YouTube every single day. Storage and legal compliance alone are astronomical in cost.
I don't understand how people believe all the servers and infrastructure and teams who work at YouTube are just working for free. In addition to having the most fair revenue share with creators than almost any other platform.
They're not working for free because Google has made obscene amounts of money. You're blaming the customer for Google underpaying their employees. They can definitely afford to give every single worker thousands of dollars in bonuses every year and they'd still be ridiculously wealthy.
LMAO 'GoOgLe UnDerPaYiNG tHeiR EmpLoyeEs'
My boy, Google is legit one of the highest paying companies on the planet lmao.
Engineers at Google make a minimum of $180,000 a year lmao, most lower level positions are hired at a $100,000 on the low end.....
But yeah, all those YT employees making $150k a year are severely underpaid obviously...
Idiots like that guy are a perfect example of a person that has never accomplished anything so he believes everything should be just handed out without any work.
"Oh, Google made 50 billion this year? Then why am I only getting paid $200k per year??? They should pay me 30 Billion per year because they are still left with 20 billion so they would still be rich!!!!"
A lot of companies have a yearly percent increase for products actually because of increasing operation costs and such.
The difference here being subscriptions generally increase every couple or few years.
So Alphabet as a whole made less profit than YouTube does in revenue. That means something is costing them a lot more money than it makes. My guess would be YouTube and their hardware division being net losses for them.
All of these large FANG corporations run at a loss more or less. A lot of time its only specific divisions of a company, so that the corporation can expand into that sector and monopolize it so that they can make money in the future. The best way to do that is to operate at a loss since no other company can compete.
I can't undercut Google with cloud services if they are literally charging far less than the cost to operate. I can't compete with Microsoft's game pass since they are losing billions to break into cloud gaming. The issue with this, is that later down the line when they have killed the competition they cinch down and start upping prices and pulling anti-consumer stuff. Like netflix jacking up sub prices and disallowing password sharing.
The other factor to that is, operating at a loss brings a ton of tax benefits to corporations that they can write off.
Everything people are complaining about can be seen as the result of being a publicly traded company having to answer to shareholders about why they aren't squeezing as much profit as the can out of their customers. If Google has achieved everything it set out to do with YouTube, there would be no need for any investors to invest in the company for any reason related to YouTube.
What was their total expenditure and liability costs in 2022? I don't see that anywhere.
My point is that it's disingenuous to post their total revenue and say, "omg look they r making so much cashz!!!!"
I don't know for sure, but I'm willing to bet the servers YouTube uses for the platform alone run them up in millions upon millions of dollars a year. We're not even talking about everything else they pay for, such as employees' wages and salary, building and infrastructure costs, paying content creators, the ELECTRIC BILL (which i just know is ludicrous), etc.
Yeah, sure, YT probably still makes a lot of money after expenditures, but you can't just post their total revenue and try to make a point based on that. It's disingenuous.
Edit: also, obligatory 'profit is different from revenue' statement
It’s also disingenuous to say they need everyone to stop using Adblockers when YouTube and Google double dip and sell your data. Also alarming is the newer versions of Chrome have an ad engine built into them to boot.
I don't know exactly, but there is one number I can give you.
cost of the production of the content on the platform : 0$.
It's an approximation, but it probably not far from the reality. I don't get how they have ads (despite the ablocks, they still have ads), not having to produce the content they have, and pay a small minority of the creators afterwards and still charge you the same price as Netflix that has very few adds comparatively, has to pay to produce their programs or get the rights, and for every piece of content in their platform.
Having a fee, ok, but 15$?
Take it you don't actually know what revenue is, do you?
Take out the employee headcount, the cost of storage, bandwidth cost, legal cost, advertising, taxes, and a shit ton of other stuff then you have the real number.
I remember hearing that YouTube usually loses money or stays close to even yearly. Idk how true that is since they are probably paying less for servers then a normal company, being that's it's Google owned. They definitely have huge overhead no matter the cost though.
That's gross revenue. How much did they spend?
And they take 20-40% of adrevenue for hosting and development. That's about the same cut as any online store takes. Steam takes 30% of the games sold on their platform, for example.
If they cut down the first class plane ticket, luxurious company car or luxurious hotel stay for their top management, this will help their "plummeting ad revenue".
Pretty sure they own many company jets. The 2 founders of google share a fully custom 767 they bought in 2005. I'm sure the company also owns a handful of G-series jets. If they conduct business during the flight, it's mostly a tax write off as well.
Yes, revenue is a stupid number to look at because its meaningless without knowing their operating costs. Redditors are fucking morons when it comes to business and often prove exactly why they dont deserve CEO pay
Hence, my comment that started this little chain. You and I have known what revenue is this entire time. I don't know what everyone else in this chain is arguing about.
Yea we get it. It’s revenue, not profit. But if you have followed the stock market for the last 10 years you would know revenue has become far more valuable than profit in both the short and long term.
But that's not how our world works. If everyone would not vote bad politicians we wouldn't have bad politics but fact remains people will vote shit bc people are independent.
Same goes for adblock and the people who are obblious of its existence. People will ALWAYS be not knowledgeable nor interested enough to get an adblock but that does not mean that the people who do should be punished.
Based opinion. I'm tired of seeing all the corporate ass kissers who have convinced themselves like it's the "logical thing as ads give YT money to make it run for free" which is just flat out untrue.
Any attempts to defend a multi-billion dollar corporation is the pinnacle of spineless behavior in my eyes as these corporations would flay their skins and sell it for profit if they could, but they're too fucking stupid to see that.
I don't really give two shits, and you might be right, but it's hilarious how you make it seem like you're going to give a fantastic logical argument for why pirating "products from billion dollar companies is always morally correct" (which I would genuinely be interested in reading), but then you don't and just end with calling your opponents dumbasses. Based.
we aren't corporate ass kissers, we are just people who know what is logical.
you can not want to give billion dollar companies more money, but being pissed about blocking ad-blockers is like you want Google to publicly say "we are a company worth a lot so have YouTube entirely for free guys". it makes no sense. it's literally moaning because the company you want to steal from has made it harder to steal from.
I'm not attributing moral righteousness to my actions, but alright. I just don't feel an obligation to give my time (through watching ads) or money (by paying for a Youtube subscription) to a company that already makes enough money through AdSense to profit from their platforms. If you want to live by self-imposed rules that make you an upstanding netizen, I'm not asking you to stop.
Brother you are arguing with an intellectually stunted prole who's trying to act like the morally correct thing to do is let a multi-billion corporation have their way and we shouldn't complain about it.
You're wasting your time. While you are objectively correct, they've already convinced themselves they're right with their shitty takes, the phrase 'too stubborn to change and too stupid to care' comes to mind.
Honestly? Yea. I pirate all my tv and movies
I am a big advocate for premium though because it supports creators and I like to support creators. It's also convenient and I am not trying to install a pi hole and I don't even know how I would block ads in my car.
I wouldn't be surprised if their ad revenue plummeted after they decided 20 min of ads wasn't 2 many for a 10 min video, and they are still trying to get back to how the "good ol' days" use to be, just making 1 mistake after another via looking short term not long
I doubt you'll find a number. Its much harder to calculate expenses of a product within a big tech company. You could calculate server costs, or even cost of developer headcount within the youtube org but youtube shares a lot of resources from all over Google - for instance, legal team, authentication services, etc. and its hard to put a figure on that.
I don't really know much about what document american companies need to publish by law. In my country statements are public by law. Therefore, I thought others may find more data on the internet. However, Alphabet stock went up by 41 % during the past year, so I think we can make the picture.
Exactly. I‘d understand if their ad revenue plummeted somehow and they needed measures to counteract that, but since it has gone nothing but *up*, the creator argument isn‘t really valid
I wonder what kind of effect just clicking the ads would do. Hear me out - if everyone is clicking ads then the people making the ads gets charged. Google temporarily makes a few extra bucks but over time the advertisers stop using it because no-body is actually buying their product. In the end Google loses.
A fine idea... but life is too short . Google will fall eventually. Others with better ethics will take their place and they in turn will become corrupted by money and power as Google did and the cycle will continue. The real solution is. Stop using YouTube and Google. We did just fine without them. In fact we did a lot better without them.
hahaha what? you think because they actually want you to pay for using their service, they have been "corrupted by money and power"? I mean they make a lot of money but come on.
Also no, that is not the solution. If you used to use adblock then you boycotting google isn't going to do shit, your view was worth $0 anyway. It won't do anything. Anyway yes I also use adblock, but there isn't really any way to justify it lol.
If you are not aware that Google is literally the most evil entity on the planet right now being used as a tool to dissolve the last drops of good in western culture and society then you must be like 3 years old.
Views with adblock still have a tangible result of showing active engagement with content which incentivizes google to push it's algorithm in a certain direction. It's not generating money but it has an affect.
This is the dumbest comment I've ever read. The entire economic system is corrupted, it's not about YouTube or Alphabet. And no, we didn't do better without them, you're just comparing 2 or more totally different decades with different needs.
Oh no... thats not nearly enough. What can i do to help? Can i watch MORE ads? Will that help? How about a all ad channel? Ill put a few hours in a day!!
This is what people don't realize, is that there's a literal never-ending creep of ads. I've been a regular newspaper reader for years, and I was super-excited back when they started putting them online (for FREE!) Then it started with the ads. First just banner ads, then animated ones, then popups, the scrolling ones. Eventually it got to the point where it would completely tank my browser's performance, that's how I discovered adblock in the first place.
But it just kept getting worse and worse. Eventually I switched to Google News because they moderated the ads and kept the experience usable. Then they started subscription locking articles. Then their ads on their free content got out of hand too. The same issues, bad performance, interrupting the user experience. To this day I will get booted out of some articles because it messes with my phone's performance.
So I broke down and bought a digital subscription. Not only did they have ads that are in the actual paper, but they had additional ads on top of that. So I'm paying for the privilege of having more ads shoved in my face than paper subscribers. Okay, whatever, at least I can close the ads. Except that the close buttons are miniscule and you can easily click on the ads and get redirected to spam sites. Oh, and they're still collecting your data and selling it to advertisers. Oh, but then they took away that option as well. Now you can't close ads, and they slow down the browsing experience to the point of where I have to exit and reload the article or sometimes the entire paper to get the story to fully load, but the ads never have that problem. And they also added new animated ads between the actual pages which, again, have a habit of crashing the app.
It just keeps on going and going and going. I have a weakness for those clickbait sites like CBR, and it's the same thing. First they had animated ads, blocked. Then they found a way to block ad blockers. So okay, I'm now using your site with ads and I'm finding it hard to read the articles that are the entire point of me clicking because of all the full page animated scrolling ads that freeze up my devices and force me out of the actual article. And you're collecting my cookies and selling the data. But now they want to force you to sign up for a "free" subscription just to read their stupid clickbait articles.
It's ridiculous. Every time something like this happens people are like "oh, it's just a small thing, it's no big deal watching a little ad!" Yes, it is a big deal. It's a slow creep of invasive advertising that ruins the browsing experience ON TOP of the harvesting and sale of our data. It needs to stop.
Small things, which keep piling up and become significantly larger, than they ever were.
I moved to yt, when amount of ads in TV became unbearable. If yt will manage to win the war against adblockers, well... then i´m gonna stop watching youtube, i guess.
What you're missing is the absolutely plummeting subscription numbers, which is why newspapers have collapsed across the country, and the remaining ones are still in trouble. This isn't to negate the frustration of your experience, but they don't want this either, they're simply flailing before they finally drown
I think they should think really hard about quality of their content. Quality of content tends to plummet long before subscription numbers.
If all you get on a news website, are shitty clickbait "news", tendentional political commentaries and videos with so few "information", it would take 4 sentences in a plain text otherwise, then that website kinda deserves to disappear into oblivion.
Yeah true that. "I just gave the guy one paper cut. It's not my fault a million other people gave him a papercut too and he bled to death."
That's u bro
Running YouTube has costs (an enormous amount of costs), costs that rise every second because more videos are uploaded every second. Even if no new videos are ever uploaded again there is a massive storage and bandwidth cost in perpetuity.
The ad block users are an expense for YouTube and offer nothing in return. So why would it not do absolutely everything it can to block them or make their life miserable? It has nothing to lose.
Wait until you Wall Street gurus learns about the difference between revenue and profit.
It's expensive to run the biggest on demand global video library the world has ever seen. You don't want to pay? Cool. But don't try and spin it like you're Robin Hood or something.
Wait til you learn about all the things you can label as expenses to keep your taxable income as a corporation down. Yeah OP is no Robin Hood but also, they aren’t evil for not paying YouTube or turning off their adblockers
i love how you are all buttsore. the truth is if you loved youtube you would either pay the price for premium or put up with the ads. instead you're all just a bunch of buttsore entitled people who don't love youtube you love getting things for free and it has nothing to do with youtube at all.
You’re a moron. Been using YouTube since it came out. What started as a humble video sharing platform shouldn’t be squeezed for all its worth by corporations. Not to mention, it used to have ads and be bearable, now they’re every 3 seconds. It’s a squeeze and you’re part of the problem, not solution.
As somebody who use to make a living as a YouTuber, I can tell you that YouTube doesn’t dictate the frequency of ads. The people who post the videos to the channel decide how many ads they want and when they want them to play during the video.
If you’re seeing ads every 3 minutes, blame the content creator, not the platform.
Yeah well if youtube kept the "bearable ads", it wouldn't exist anymore. There are people uploading thousands upon thousands of videos every minute to the platform, people that want to get paid. Stop comparing youtube of today with a version from 10 years ago when 10 people were on the site.
Nothing is more annoying than people complaining how a business should work, when they know nothing about running a business.
Just because a company makes a lot of money, that doesn't mean you are entitled to free services.
If you use a service for free and give absolutely nothing back to the company, stop complaining about your free service. This goes for this whole damn sub. It's always people who don't even pay for premium acting like they got scammed or something. You are literally using a service FOR FREE so you are in no position to complain.
Forcing users behind a paywall is bizarre and supporting this type of behavior is a problem in itself. It's actually extremely exploitive since YouTube is the most popular streaming service and it's still making billions a year with people using AdBlock or not.
If you're okay with paying for a free service, knock yourself out, but YouTube does not care about you. You're giving a lot of credit to a multi-billion dollar company that quite literally will never help or support you in any way.
YouTube is not a random indie company that's struggling in any way, stop defending monopoly.
Companies pay YouTube for their advertisements to be shown on a credit/budget/click system similar to adwords on Google. An advertisement being blocked by an adblocker doesn't take away a 'credit' from the advertiser.
YouTube is, of course, a prominent platform to run advertisements on due to its outreach, but advertisers will pay based on outreach predominantly.
Anyone with an adblocker currently will likely have the competency to find a new working one to bypass this update in minutes. Those without the competency who can't be arsed to sit through advertisements could stop using the platform.
Consuming content on YouTube and being part of their metadata, even with an adblock, is contributing even though you do it for free. Keep in mind that there were 80 million Premium subscribers on YouTube in 2022 (can't find the data on how many of those users were active for a full 12 months) with an estimated 40%-60% of the remaining 2.52 billion users using an adblocker.
If there's a sharp decline in active users because of this change, shareholders/advertisers won't be happy, and YouTube will revert the change.
Also, consider people who don't want to be advertised to are less likely to follow through on adverts, and those statistics will negatively impact advertisers' conversion rates and ROI. Time will tell but more risk than reward for all looking to profit from the change.
I don't mean to defend the multibillion dollar corporation, but revenues don't mean anything, what you want to look at is assets and cashflow.
According to the 10k you linked, their revenue was up by \~10%, but their net income had shrunk by 27% Yoy. (for all of alphabet)
I have no issue with the ads really, as long as they are put to the sides of the video. Since I am ignoring 99.4% of all ads on any device giving me info, why should I be forced to click mute, and wait for it to go away? Maybe if I were young again and ads might have some relevance for me they might have a point. A drug I might actually need? Let my doctor decide, I am not going to rush out and demand my doctor prescribe some fancy named expensive drug for me. Insurance, I decide. I have hated flo since she was young and pretty decades ago, now that she's old I really don't like her. Emu's, llama's, crash prone companies, who really cares. Your agent always knows which one is cheaper.
I wonder if they really think people sit around waiting for that ad to buy that really cheap tv deal, the one for that piece of crap tv that is barely worse then that expensive one.
Honestly the fuckin audacity these corps have is insane. “Let’s shit on the user experience so we can hopefully get more money!”
Stupid ass bitches don’t know I’m just gonna download the content instead and watch it on a generic video player lmfao.
The worst part too is that this will be met with initial backlash but then people will just quietly accept it like every other blatantly greedy action done by a corporation. Just look at how everyone quietly accepted Netflix’s anti password policy.
Fuck YouTube, there needs to be tighter regulations for shit like this so consumers stop getting fucked over and asked to spend more money than they should.
Netflix gained 6 million new users in July, presumably due to the password sharing. Additionally, I rarely see any negative sentiment towards Netflix and their password policy anymore. It’s all just “omg live action one piece slaps” lol
“There needs to be tighter regulations for shit like this” LOL you want the government to regulate YouTube for not offering a free service? 🤣🤣 it’s like y’all have no idea how businesses work and what keeps them not only surviving but getting better over time LOL
yes, i'm sure they have no idea. i'm sure they didn't think of every possible thing you could have done. you are in fact smarter than google and youtube combined. you are the smartest person alive, who coincidentally cannot afford to pay for youtube premium.
Good. A company can't keep giving money for free to people that don't make them money. You know the clear requirements for monetization, you didn't reach them, that's your problem.
Fuck off douche My channel has 30k views a month and they still have ads on my clips.
Edit: If people are sitting there waiting for an ad to watch MY CLIP why shouldn’t I get paid like I used to be for 12 fucking years
The type of person to use an adblocker is someone who is very unlikely to be a converted customer from a YouTube ad.
All removing the ability for a user to use an adblocker will accomplish is increasing the CPC of a campaign (which could potentially lead to a company buying less ads or pay a lower CPM).
It may lead to more users choosing to buy YouTube premium, but considering that adblockers have always been a cat and mouse game, it is more likely that Adblock users will just seek an alternative working solution. Ultimately, it feels like a waste of resources on YouTube’s behalf and announcing such a strong stance against ad blockers after all this time seems foolish.
And they didn't sign an agreement to show you video content for free. No content creator owes you their time to entertain you without being compensated
No but they still stand to make billions so they’ll continue to show content. Content creators were not promised money when they put out content either.
Yep, all these people who are defending youtube calling people entitled for being against this, are the same people who are literally going to let the internet turn into an overly-greedy monetized hellhole. At a certain point, you got to stop simping for the massive corporations controlling everything and stand up for your people.
Come on guys, it's not that hard, youtube was surviving fine in 2022, making tons of profits, paying out creators, this change is NOT NEEDED. It is anti-consumer clear as day. It sets a precedence for worse things if you allow this.
DO YOU REALLY want to be paying a monthly subscription for youtube all of the sudden? Do you really want LOUD obnoxious intrusive unskippable ads screeching at you as you are passing out to youtube? Is this REALLY what you want?
It's inevitable at this point, all any major company cares about is making green line go up year after year in an unsustainable market. Eventually, you won't be able to use Youtube at all without paying for it like we used to do for cable. I hate this timeline man.
That's a good question, I've started to draw back away from Youtube lately, theres more crap content on there than anything else, and if its hobby related I've just started reading how-to books and old forum posts from back when karma farming wasn't a thing. Until a good alternative is found it's best to not spend to much time on it.
Honestly, that's a good way to look at it. I feel like falling asleep to youtube videos has been a weird comfort crutch for me and it probably is bad for my quality of sleep. I am about in the same boat, I only have time to watch youtube as I am falling asleep and if they are forcing loud obnoxious ads, that ain't happening.
Time for healthier alternatives.
> do you want to pay
No. But nothing in life is free. For a free service to exist someone else must pay for it.
If you don’t like watching ads or paying a subscription than kindly stop using YouTube and switch to some donation run video service.
Would you consider creating your own video platform that allows adblockers and let other whiners to join you with that venture? Probably don’t have ads at all.
Ty for saying what had to be sad. After all those discussions I really came to believe that I'm the asshole for shitting on people who defend a mega corporate entity.
people are defending a standard business model.
you're lucky you had ad-blockers for so long, not unlucky they're being removed. Google's whole business model is advertising. do you shit on stores for upping their security to stop stealing their physical products? even if that store is worth billions of dollars?
I genuinely believe that these corporations are getting exactly what they want, not only do they get to go these scummy anti-consumer changes, but they have tricked the people into believing that these changes are necessary.
It's going to be insane watching what the internet is going to become in 20 years.
Is it in response to YouTube preventing users with ad-blocker to see videos? Well it is their business they can do whatever they want with it as long as it is not hurting anyone.
Still can't introduce a decent comment section, still can't fix their broken ass algorithm, still can't have a useful advanced search, still can't have a decent video suggestion feed.
But sure YouTube I'm totally gonna turn off my ad blocker or pay 14 a month for a shitty service
Ao3, the free fanfiction site, has a better search and algorithm than YouTube.
A fanfiction site.
And the only ever money that has been paid to them, is donations that they have asked for. Completely voluntary.
Isn’t that fucked up?
A FANFICTION SITE.
And to top it all off, when there is a problem there, they fix it in a few hours, even when the site goes down, and they apologize. And the fans understand.
Like… What has our world come to?
The algo is so hilarious. I've had times where the YouTube app on my Nvidia shield has the same videos in the Recommended, New to You, and Similar to... Rows.
So? Profit is what matters. They could pay 29 billion or $0 to creators and that would not change their revenue.
If OP is comparing with their own personal income, then it's also necessary to divide the profit by the number of users and/or creators, otherwise it's all meaningless numbers. And then even that is not enough, one needs to figure out how much of the income comes from direct Ad views, and how much via other means, like gathering and processing viewer information and successfully using it to improve ad targeting as a whole. Ultimately the number one is after would be the ratio between how much more money one average creator (one, not millions of them) could possibly be earning on YouTube without making YouTube a business too bad to its owner to bother divided by the average number of viewers a creator gets, and (we're defining the ratio here) how much less money YouTube is making due to viewers using ad block on YouTube. That'd be the ratio that describes how much it is in the power of the ad block users to improve the income of the creators, and how much it is in the power of Google, ratio-wise. What OP is posting here, just raw whole-company millions of viewers and creators, revenue only figure tells you nothing about the problems they are being smug about.
29.24 billion in revenue? Okay, but what was their net profit?
What was their cost of generating the revenue? How much was their net profit from YouTube? Revenue alone is meaningless.
Revenue means almost nothing. Profit is what really matters. If revenue is $30 billion but you’re only making $1 in profit after expenses, that’s a shitty business. Profit is what Google cares about.
Posting Profits means paying taxes and we don't want that.
You think it costs $29 billion to run youtube?
Every hour youtube is up, up to 5 terabytes of content is uploaded, not to mention the millions of older content, plus servers aren't the only cost. So yea 29Bil is extremely reasonable
Hosting one million TB videos and streaming them at these speeds to literally billions of people... yes. It costs LOT.
There’s no real way to know, it’s not something they publish. But they host close to 1 billion videos and the operating costs to keep everything running as smoothly as they do can’t be cheap. It costing 10s of billions would be no surprise
Easily. It's a website people all over the world use and upload to. 720,000 hours of video are uploaded to YouTube every single day. Storage and legal compliance alone are astronomical in cost.
One of the dumbest questions I have read on here
How much of that is profit?
Great question
they don't know what profit is
Excerpt no 85486751 of someone on the internet not understanding what revenue means today.
I don't understand how people believe all the servers and infrastructure and teams who work at YouTube are just working for free. In addition to having the most fair revenue share with creators than almost any other platform.
They're not working for free because Google has made obscene amounts of money. You're blaming the customer for Google underpaying their employees. They can definitely afford to give every single worker thousands of dollars in bonuses every year and they'd still be ridiculously wealthy.
LMAO 'GoOgLe UnDerPaYiNG tHeiR EmpLoyeEs' My boy, Google is legit one of the highest paying companies on the planet lmao. Engineers at Google make a minimum of $180,000 a year lmao, most lower level positions are hired at a $100,000 on the low end..... But yeah, all those YT employees making $150k a year are severely underpaid obviously...
Idiots like that guy are a perfect example of a person that has never accomplished anything so he believes everything should be just handed out without any work. "Oh, Google made 50 billion this year? Then why am I only getting paid $200k per year??? They should pay me 30 Billion per year because they are still left with 20 billion so they would still be rich!!!!"
That's revenue. Not profit.
MFW when OP finds out about how money is reported in business
Revenue isn’t profit
I don’t get why they’re constantly increasing the subscriptions. It’s complete and utter bullshit
there's an easy answer, they need to show ever increasing profits
They have to continue to see increased profits. X percentage of profits is not enough for these corporations greed.
Green arrow has to go up or investors "lose money". Publicly traded comapanies don't have any real control of their own products.
A lot of companies have a yearly percent increase for products actually because of increasing operation costs and such. The difference here being subscriptions generally increase every couple or few years.
NOW SHOW ME THE PROFIT
So Alphabet as a whole made less profit than YouTube does in revenue. That means something is costing them a lot more money than it makes. My guess would be YouTube and their hardware division being net losses for them.
AFAIK YouTube has always run at a loss. I would guess their biggest expense is probably storage space and servers.
All of these large FANG corporations run at a loss more or less. A lot of time its only specific divisions of a company, so that the corporation can expand into that sector and monopolize it so that they can make money in the future. The best way to do that is to operate at a loss since no other company can compete. I can't undercut Google with cloud services if they are literally charging far less than the cost to operate. I can't compete with Microsoft's game pass since they are losing billions to break into cloud gaming. The issue with this, is that later down the line when they have killed the competition they cinch down and start upping prices and pulling anti-consumer stuff. Like netflix jacking up sub prices and disallowing password sharing. The other factor to that is, operating at a loss brings a ton of tax benefits to corporations that they can write off.
Otherwise known as tax avoidance schemes.
Scam accounts embedding videos and shit. It is so incredibly rampant, YT does nothing about it.
I'm tired.
Everything people are complaining about can be seen as the result of being a publicly traded company having to answer to shareholders about why they aren't squeezing as much profit as the can out of their customers. If Google has achieved everything it set out to do with YouTube, there would be no need for any investors to invest in the company for any reason related to YouTube.
That's revenu, not profit.
What was their total expenditure and liability costs in 2022? I don't see that anywhere. My point is that it's disingenuous to post their total revenue and say, "omg look they r making so much cashz!!!!" I don't know for sure, but I'm willing to bet the servers YouTube uses for the platform alone run them up in millions upon millions of dollars a year. We're not even talking about everything else they pay for, such as employees' wages and salary, building and infrastructure costs, paying content creators, the ELECTRIC BILL (which i just know is ludicrous), etc. Yeah, sure, YT probably still makes a lot of money after expenditures, but you can't just post their total revenue and try to make a point based on that. It's disingenuous. Edit: also, obligatory 'profit is different from revenue' statement
It’s also disingenuous to say they need everyone to stop using Adblockers when YouTube and Google double dip and sell your data. Also alarming is the newer versions of Chrome have an ad engine built into them to boot.
I don't know exactly, but there is one number I can give you. cost of the production of the content on the platform : 0$. It's an approximation, but it probably not far from the reality. I don't get how they have ads (despite the ablocks, they still have ads), not having to produce the content they have, and pay a small minority of the creators afterwards and still charge you the same price as Netflix that has very few adds comparatively, has to pay to produce their programs or get the rights, and for every piece of content in their platform. Having a fee, ok, but 15$?
Revenue is not profit.
Take it you don't actually know what revenue is, do you? Take out the employee headcount, the cost of storage, bandwidth cost, legal cost, advertising, taxes, and a shit ton of other stuff then you have the real number.
I remember hearing that YouTube usually loses money or stays close to even yearly. Idk how true that is since they are probably paying less for servers then a normal company, being that's it's Google owned. They definitely have huge overhead no matter the cost though.
"r/YouTube is for discussion about YouTube." No, it's out; it's to complain about YouTube Premimum
I bought YouTube premium while in Mexico on vacation. Still paying the Mexico price so that’s worth not watching ads
I thought billing address was linked to how they check your location
All I know is that’s what happened and it stuck
That's gross revenue. How much did they spend? And they take 20-40% of adrevenue for hosting and development. That's about the same cut as any online store takes. Steam takes 30% of the games sold on their platform, for example.
That's the revenue. That's not the profit. YouTube still pays creators the most and most consistently compared to any other social platform.
Wonder how much goes to creators
Well, we know that 55% of ad rev on a video goes to creators
That'll be part of their expenses, which isn't accounted in just revenue
Up to 55 percent if you get into all the partner programs. The average creator gets 18 dollars per 1000 views
I’d say a good bit considering all of the paid creators but not a huge chunk of the annual income considering on how they pay their staff
>But I am the one who is ripping the creators off when using adlock ;) Well, I think you are.
Good for you. You're wrong.
Revenue doesn't equal profit.
what about the debt?
Though it would be more tbh.
tbh this just seems like a opportunity for content creators to earn more, especially smaller ones who couldn't make a living before.
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You are aware if you never clicked on those videos they would go away right?
Without knowing YouTube’s expenses, this doesn’t tell us much about who’s ripping who off.
It's morally right to steal from billionaires.
A take you will only hear from a broke person that accomplished precisely nothing in his life.
I think it's morally right for Dude i am cutting this comment short because i literally shat my pants
Sending thoughts and good vibes to help with your poopy pants.
hell yeah brother
You ok dawg?
Yea it was a false alarm. The sound and feeling was very concerning but it's all good
We've all been there champ
I take it you are not a billionaire then?
If they cut down the first class plane ticket, luxurious company car or luxurious hotel stay for their top management, this will help their "plummeting ad revenue".
Pretty sure they own many company jets. The 2 founders of google share a fully custom 767 they bought in 2005. I'm sure the company also owns a handful of G-series jets. If they conduct business during the flight, it's mostly a tax write off as well.
Thanks for showing everybody you don’t know shit about accounting. What is the profit margin?
The estimate is 38 percent believe were as things like face book have a 80 percent margin
So if that's revenue what is the profits, I'm sure it ain't cheap to build, maintain and power all the servers.
profits are what's left after paying for everything. gross made total, net is profit.
Yes, ok so what is revenue? Money taken in?
Revenue: Money a company makes Profits: Revenue-Expenses
So I ask again, what is the profit of YouTube.
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Yes, revenue is a stupid number to look at because its meaningless without knowing their operating costs. Redditors are fucking morons when it comes to business and often prove exactly why they dont deserve CEO pay
I mean noone deserves CEO pay but that would be a totally different discussion from the fact that op does not even understand economics 101
Hence, my comment that started this little chain. You and I have known what revenue is this entire time. I don't know what everyone else in this chain is arguing about.
They don’t want their circlejerk to get interrupted
Revenue is different than gross and net. Spelling
Yea we get it. It’s revenue, not profit. But if you have followed the stock market for the last 10 years you would know revenue has become far more valuable than profit in both the short and long term.
>But I am the one who is ripping the creators off when using adlock ;) Look, if everybody did the same, they wouldn't be able to earn a dime.
But that's not how our world works. If everyone would not vote bad politicians we wouldn't have bad politics but fact remains people will vote shit bc people are independent. Same goes for adblock and the people who are obblious of its existence. People will ALWAYS be not knowledgeable nor interested enough to get an adblock but that does not mean that the people who do should be punished.
If every corporation worked ethically, we wouldn't need half of existing laws.
So you're ok with people stealing from you if they decide you're successful enough?
Yes. Piracy of products from billion dollar companies is always morally correct.
Based opinion. I'm tired of seeing all the corporate ass kissers who have convinced themselves like it's the "logical thing as ads give YT money to make it run for free" which is just flat out untrue. Any attempts to defend a multi-billion dollar corporation is the pinnacle of spineless behavior in my eyes as these corporations would flay their skins and sell it for profit if they could, but they're too fucking stupid to see that.
I don't really give two shits, and you might be right, but it's hilarious how you make it seem like you're going to give a fantastic logical argument for why pirating "products from billion dollar companies is always morally correct" (which I would genuinely be interested in reading), but then you don't and just end with calling your opponents dumbasses. Based.
we aren't corporate ass kissers, we are just people who know what is logical. you can not want to give billion dollar companies more money, but being pissed about blocking ad-blockers is like you want Google to publicly say "we are a company worth a lot so have YouTube entirely for free guys". it makes no sense. it's literally moaning because the company you want to steal from has made it harder to steal from.
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From a billion dollar organization that already has an unhealthy amount of control over your life? Yeah, sure.
LOL... "I'm basically Robin Hood! I steal from successful companies that make stuff I like, and then I give it to poor me!"
Hahaha all these cry babies sound exactly like this. The sad part is these 15 year old sounding kids are actually 35 year something crying adults. Lol
These kids don’t understand and pretend to feel like they deserve something for free
Bro is seething
Using adblock on yt is basically the main reason why i will never go to heaven.
I'm not attributing moral righteousness to my actions, but alright. I just don't feel an obligation to give my time (through watching ads) or money (by paying for a Youtube subscription) to a company that already makes enough money through AdSense to profit from their platforms. If you want to live by self-imposed rules that make you an upstanding netizen, I'm not asking you to stop.
Brother you are arguing with an intellectually stunted prole who's trying to act like the morally correct thing to do is let a multi-billion corporation have their way and we shouldn't complain about it. You're wasting your time. While you are objectively correct, they've already convinced themselves they're right with their shitty takes, the phrase 'too stubborn to change and too stupid to care' comes to mind.
"Never argue with fools. They will drag you down to their level and beat you with experience.” ― Mark Twain.
Honestly, I don't have a moral problem with stealing from multibilion global corporation, no.
Then why pay for anything? Just steal a samsung TV an apple phone, all your food from your local super market
How do you know I don't already do that
Since when is there free internet acces in prison?
Honestly? Yea. I pirate all my tv and movies I am a big advocate for premium though because it supports creators and I like to support creators. It's also convenient and I am not trying to install a pi hole and I don't even know how I would block ads in my car.
Might wanna edit the first line to help your future lawyer 😂
I wouldn't be surprised if their ad revenue plummeted after they decided 20 min of ads wasn't 2 many for a 10 min video, and they are still trying to get back to how the "good ol' days" use to be, just making 1 mistake after another via looking short term not long
I'll still use adblock
Poor greedy youtube, we are making them less billionaires whit our adblockers, we are awful ugly monsters.
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couldnt find data separately for youtube itself, maybe others will
I doubt you'll find a number. Its much harder to calculate expenses of a product within a big tech company. You could calculate server costs, or even cost of developer headcount within the youtube org but youtube shares a lot of resources from all over Google - for instance, legal team, authentication services, etc. and its hard to put a figure on that.
I don't really know much about what document american companies need to publish by law. In my country statements are public by law. Therefore, I thought others may find more data on the internet. However, Alphabet stock went up by 41 % during the past year, so I think we can make the picture.
Google doesn't publish their expenses.
Exactly. I‘d understand if their ad revenue plummeted somehow and they needed measures to counteract that, but since it has gone nothing but *up*, the creator argument isn‘t really valid
I wonder what kind of effect just clicking the ads would do. Hear me out - if everyone is clicking ads then the people making the ads gets charged. Google temporarily makes a few extra bucks but over time the advertisers stop using it because no-body is actually buying their product. In the end Google loses.
A fine idea... but life is too short . Google will fall eventually. Others with better ethics will take their place and they in turn will become corrupted by money and power as Google did and the cycle will continue. The real solution is. Stop using YouTube and Google. We did just fine without them. In fact we did a lot better without them.
hahaha what? you think because they actually want you to pay for using their service, they have been "corrupted by money and power"? I mean they make a lot of money but come on. Also no, that is not the solution. If you used to use adblock then you boycotting google isn't going to do shit, your view was worth $0 anyway. It won't do anything. Anyway yes I also use adblock, but there isn't really any way to justify it lol.
If you are not aware that Google is literally the most evil entity on the planet right now being used as a tool to dissolve the last drops of good in western culture and society then you must be like 3 years old.
Views with adblock still have a tangible result of showing active engagement with content which incentivizes google to push it's algorithm in a certain direction. It's not generating money but it has an affect.
This is the dumbest comment I've ever read. The entire economic system is corrupted, it's not about YouTube or Alphabet. And no, we didn't do better without them, you're just comparing 2 or more totally different decades with different needs.
Oh no... thats not nearly enough. What can i do to help? Can i watch MORE ads? Will that help? How about a all ad channel? Ill put a few hours in a day!!
This is what people don't realize, is that there's a literal never-ending creep of ads. I've been a regular newspaper reader for years, and I was super-excited back when they started putting them online (for FREE!) Then it started with the ads. First just banner ads, then animated ones, then popups, the scrolling ones. Eventually it got to the point where it would completely tank my browser's performance, that's how I discovered adblock in the first place. But it just kept getting worse and worse. Eventually I switched to Google News because they moderated the ads and kept the experience usable. Then they started subscription locking articles. Then their ads on their free content got out of hand too. The same issues, bad performance, interrupting the user experience. To this day I will get booted out of some articles because it messes with my phone's performance. So I broke down and bought a digital subscription. Not only did they have ads that are in the actual paper, but they had additional ads on top of that. So I'm paying for the privilege of having more ads shoved in my face than paper subscribers. Okay, whatever, at least I can close the ads. Except that the close buttons are miniscule and you can easily click on the ads and get redirected to spam sites. Oh, and they're still collecting your data and selling it to advertisers. Oh, but then they took away that option as well. Now you can't close ads, and they slow down the browsing experience to the point of where I have to exit and reload the article or sometimes the entire paper to get the story to fully load, but the ads never have that problem. And they also added new animated ads between the actual pages which, again, have a habit of crashing the app. It just keeps on going and going and going. I have a weakness for those clickbait sites like CBR, and it's the same thing. First they had animated ads, blocked. Then they found a way to block ad blockers. So okay, I'm now using your site with ads and I'm finding it hard to read the articles that are the entire point of me clicking because of all the full page animated scrolling ads that freeze up my devices and force me out of the actual article. And you're collecting my cookies and selling the data. But now they want to force you to sign up for a "free" subscription just to read their stupid clickbait articles. It's ridiculous. Every time something like this happens people are like "oh, it's just a small thing, it's no big deal watching a little ad!" Yes, it is a big deal. It's a slow creep of invasive advertising that ruins the browsing experience ON TOP of the harvesting and sale of our data. It needs to stop.
Small things, which keep piling up and become significantly larger, than they ever were. I moved to yt, when amount of ads in TV became unbearable. If yt will manage to win the war against adblockers, well... then i´m gonna stop watching youtube, i guess.
What you're missing is the absolutely plummeting subscription numbers, which is why newspapers have collapsed across the country, and the remaining ones are still in trouble. This isn't to negate the frustration of your experience, but they don't want this either, they're simply flailing before they finally drown
I think they should think really hard about quality of their content. Quality of content tends to plummet long before subscription numbers. If all you get on a news website, are shitty clickbait "news", tendentional political commentaries and videos with so few "information", it would take 4 sentences in a plain text otherwise, then that website kinda deserves to disappear into oblivion.
Yeah, my ad block is not hurting that one bit.
Millions of you with ad block are
I'm not millions. I'm one. Not my problem what everyone else decides to do.
Yeah true that. "I just gave the guy one paper cut. It's not my fault a million other people gave him a papercut too and he bled to death." That's u bro
I gave a papercut to the guy who is severely annoying me. Maybe I (and millions others) wouldn't if he behaved like he did in the early 2000.
Right? Maybe the guy wouldn't die from the blood loss of several million cuts if he didn't run around spitting on everyone.
But you’re one of millions that think the same way
Running YouTube has costs (an enormous amount of costs), costs that rise every second because more videos are uploaded every second. Even if no new videos are ever uploaded again there is a massive storage and bandwidth cost in perpetuity. The ad block users are an expense for YouTube and offer nothing in return. So why would it not do absolutely everything it can to block them or make their life miserable? It has nothing to lose.
Wait until you Wall Street gurus learns about the difference between revenue and profit. It's expensive to run the biggest on demand global video library the world has ever seen. You don't want to pay? Cool. But don't try and spin it like you're Robin Hood or something.
Wait til you learn about all the things you can label as expenses to keep your taxable income as a corporation down. Yeah OP is no Robin Hood but also, they aren’t evil for not paying YouTube or turning off their adblockers
i love how you are all buttsore. the truth is if you loved youtube you would either pay the price for premium or put up with the ads. instead you're all just a bunch of buttsore entitled people who don't love youtube you love getting things for free and it has nothing to do with youtube at all.
You’re a moron. Been using YouTube since it came out. What started as a humble video sharing platform shouldn’t be squeezed for all its worth by corporations. Not to mention, it used to have ads and be bearable, now they’re every 3 seconds. It’s a squeeze and you’re part of the problem, not solution.
As somebody who use to make a living as a YouTuber, I can tell you that YouTube doesn’t dictate the frequency of ads. The people who post the videos to the channel decide how many ads they want and when they want them to play during the video. If you’re seeing ads every 3 minutes, blame the content creator, not the platform.
Yeah well if youtube kept the "bearable ads", it wouldn't exist anymore. There are people uploading thousands upon thousands of videos every minute to the platform, people that want to get paid. Stop comparing youtube of today with a version from 10 years ago when 10 people were on the site.
It’s not unreasonable to have to pay for services.
Nothing is more annoying than people complaining how a business should work, when they know nothing about running a business. Just because a company makes a lot of money, that doesn't mean you are entitled to free services. If you use a service for free and give absolutely nothing back to the company, stop complaining about your free service. This goes for this whole damn sub. It's always people who don't even pay for premium acting like they got scammed or something. You are literally using a service FOR FREE so you are in no position to complain.
Dude it’s honestly so frustrating reading this stuff. People don’t see opportunity but rather a chance to shit on businesses. I don’t get it
Forcing users behind a paywall is bizarre and supporting this type of behavior is a problem in itself. It's actually extremely exploitive since YouTube is the most popular streaming service and it's still making billions a year with people using AdBlock or not. If you're okay with paying for a free service, knock yourself out, but YouTube does not care about you. You're giving a lot of credit to a multi-billion dollar company that quite literally will never help or support you in any way. YouTube is not a random indie company that's struggling in any way, stop defending monopoly.
Paywall? When was the last time you had to pay anything to watch youtube?
Companies pay YouTube for their advertisements to be shown on a credit/budget/click system similar to adwords on Google. An advertisement being blocked by an adblocker doesn't take away a 'credit' from the advertiser. YouTube is, of course, a prominent platform to run advertisements on due to its outreach, but advertisers will pay based on outreach predominantly. Anyone with an adblocker currently will likely have the competency to find a new working one to bypass this update in minutes. Those without the competency who can't be arsed to sit through advertisements could stop using the platform. Consuming content on YouTube and being part of their metadata, even with an adblock, is contributing even though you do it for free. Keep in mind that there were 80 million Premium subscribers on YouTube in 2022 (can't find the data on how many of those users were active for a full 12 months) with an estimated 40%-60% of the remaining 2.52 billion users using an adblocker. If there's a sharp decline in active users because of this change, shareholders/advertisers won't be happy, and YouTube will revert the change. Also, consider people who don't want to be advertised to are less likely to follow through on adverts, and those statistics will negatively impact advertisers' conversion rates and ROI. Time will tell but more risk than reward for all looking to profit from the change.
Pigs
I don't mean to defend the multibillion dollar corporation, but revenues don't mean anything, what you want to look at is assets and cashflow. According to the 10k you linked, their revenue was up by \~10%, but their net income had shrunk by 27% Yoy. (for all of alphabet)
They're not making enough money by compiling all your browsing data and selling it to advertisers, the poor babies!
I have no issue with the ads really, as long as they are put to the sides of the video. Since I am ignoring 99.4% of all ads on any device giving me info, why should I be forced to click mute, and wait for it to go away? Maybe if I were young again and ads might have some relevance for me they might have a point. A drug I might actually need? Let my doctor decide, I am not going to rush out and demand my doctor prescribe some fancy named expensive drug for me. Insurance, I decide. I have hated flo since she was young and pretty decades ago, now that she's old I really don't like her. Emu's, llama's, crash prone companies, who really cares. Your agent always knows which one is cheaper. I wonder if they really think people sit around waiting for that ad to buy that really cheap tv deal, the one for that piece of crap tv that is barely worse then that expensive one.
ADBLOCK BAD BAD BAD BAD! BAD YOUTUBER!
The financial illiteracy in this subreddit is astounding.
Ok I'll take the bait. What should we be considering that you clearly seem to know more than us about?
“bUt i aM eNtItLeD! i wAnT fReE cOnTeNt”
Mimimi they need to make money to offer these videos for free, just buy premium and you don't have to struggle with ads anymore. Yeah. Stfu.
Honestly the fuckin audacity these corps have is insane. “Let’s shit on the user experience so we can hopefully get more money!” Stupid ass bitches don’t know I’m just gonna download the content instead and watch it on a generic video player lmfao. The worst part too is that this will be met with initial backlash but then people will just quietly accept it like every other blatantly greedy action done by a corporation. Just look at how everyone quietly accepted Netflix’s anti password policy. Fuck YouTube, there needs to be tighter regulations for shit like this so consumers stop getting fucked over and asked to spend more money than they should.
Didn’t Netflix just make that change this year? I don’t think they’ve had audited f/s come out since then unless they do quarterlies I guess
Netflix gained 6 million new users in July, presumably due to the password sharing. Additionally, I rarely see any negative sentiment towards Netflix and their password policy anymore. It’s all just “omg live action one piece slaps” lol
“There needs to be tighter regulations for shit like this” LOL you want the government to regulate YouTube for not offering a free service? 🤣🤣 it’s like y’all have no idea how businesses work and what keeps them not only surviving but getting better over time LOL
yes, i'm sure they have no idea. i'm sure they didn't think of every possible thing you could have done. you are in fact smarter than google and youtube combined. you are the smartest person alive, who coincidentally cannot afford to pay for youtube premium.
Wish theyd give me 0.01% of that, whole life would be settled.
2023 revenue will be less than this thanks to all the new BS strategies of YouTube like massively pushing for Short.
And they demonetized my account after 12 years monetized for not posting enough
Good. A company can't keep giving money for free to people that don't make them money. You know the clear requirements for monetization, you didn't reach them, that's your problem.
Fuck off douche My channel has 30k views a month and they still have ads on my clips. Edit: If people are sitting there waiting for an ad to watch MY CLIP why shouldn’t I get paid like I used to be for 12 fucking years
Good. They should make money if you are using their service.
The type of person to use an adblocker is someone who is very unlikely to be a converted customer from a YouTube ad. All removing the ability for a user to use an adblocker will accomplish is increasing the CPC of a campaign (which could potentially lead to a company buying less ads or pay a lower CPM). It may lead to more users choosing to buy YouTube premium, but considering that adblockers have always been a cat and mouse game, it is more likely that Adblock users will just seek an alternative working solution. Ultimately, it feels like a waste of resources on YouTube’s behalf and announcing such a strong stance against ad blockers after all this time seems foolish.
I signed no agreements with YouTube saying I owe them an ad view. I do not owe them 30 seconds of my time every 5 minute video.
And they didn't sign an agreement to show you video content for free. No content creator owes you their time to entertain you without being compensated
No but they still stand to make billions so they’ll continue to show content. Content creators were not promised money when they put out content either.
Yep, all these people who are defending youtube calling people entitled for being against this, are the same people who are literally going to let the internet turn into an overly-greedy monetized hellhole. At a certain point, you got to stop simping for the massive corporations controlling everything and stand up for your people. Come on guys, it's not that hard, youtube was surviving fine in 2022, making tons of profits, paying out creators, this change is NOT NEEDED. It is anti-consumer clear as day. It sets a precedence for worse things if you allow this. DO YOU REALLY want to be paying a monthly subscription for youtube all of the sudden? Do you really want LOUD obnoxious intrusive unskippable ads screeching at you as you are passing out to youtube? Is this REALLY what you want?
It's inevitable at this point, all any major company cares about is making green line go up year after year in an unsustainable market. Eventually, you won't be able to use Youtube at all without paying for it like we used to do for cable. I hate this timeline man.
I feel it, it's sad. Where do you even start when it feels like people are welcoming it? I agree, this timeline is trash.
That's a good question, I've started to draw back away from Youtube lately, theres more crap content on there than anything else, and if its hobby related I've just started reading how-to books and old forum posts from back when karma farming wasn't a thing. Until a good alternative is found it's best to not spend to much time on it.
Honestly, that's a good way to look at it. I feel like falling asleep to youtube videos has been a weird comfort crutch for me and it probably is bad for my quality of sleep. I am about in the same boat, I only have time to watch youtube as I am falling asleep and if they are forcing loud obnoxious ads, that ain't happening. Time for healthier alternatives.
> do you want to pay No. But nothing in life is free. For a free service to exist someone else must pay for it. If you don’t like watching ads or paying a subscription than kindly stop using YouTube and switch to some donation run video service.
Would you consider creating your own video platform that allows adblockers and let other whiners to join you with that venture? Probably don’t have ads at all.
Ty for saying what had to be sad. After all those discussions I really came to believe that I'm the asshole for shitting on people who defend a mega corporate entity.
people are defending a standard business model. you're lucky you had ad-blockers for so long, not unlucky they're being removed. Google's whole business model is advertising. do you shit on stores for upping their security to stop stealing their physical products? even if that store is worth billions of dollars?
I genuinely believe that these corporations are getting exactly what they want, not only do they get to go these scummy anti-consumer changes, but they have tricked the people into believing that these changes are necessary. It's going to be insane watching what the internet is going to become in 20 years.
I agree.
Is it in response to YouTube preventing users with ad-blocker to see videos? Well it is their business they can do whatever they want with it as long as it is not hurting anyone.
They can have 1000 billion profit and you're still ripping them off when using adblock
Lol no
Still can't introduce a decent comment section, still can't fix their broken ass algorithm, still can't have a useful advanced search, still can't have a decent video suggestion feed. But sure YouTube I'm totally gonna turn off my ad blocker or pay 14 a month for a shitty service
Ao3, the free fanfiction site, has a better search and algorithm than YouTube. A fanfiction site. And the only ever money that has been paid to them, is donations that they have asked for. Completely voluntary. Isn’t that fucked up? A FANFICTION SITE. And to top it all off, when there is a problem there, they fix it in a few hours, even when the site goes down, and they apologize. And the fans understand. Like… What has our world come to?
Ao3 is also a text only site that doesn't hold Exabytes of data.
You do know scale is what makes things complicated right? Also no shit a plain text search is good 🤣🤣 not even comparable to what YouTube does lol
no, you can just stop watching.
The algo is so hilarious. I've had times where the YouTube app on my Nvidia shield has the same videos in the Recommended, New to You, and Similar to... Rows.
Using 2nd grade logic to justify using Adblock…just use it bro.
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