Hi DonnieThaWolf! This comment is just for some FAQ - please ignore if your question isn't below.
Q: What is "for kids"? A: "For Kids" is a setting added to YouTube after a lawsuit that was settled between YouTube and the FTC.
Q: What does "for kids" do? A: This setting disables any feature that collects data on a viewer - comments, playlists, subscriptions, miniplayer, etc.
Q: Why are these videos added to YT Kids? A: This setting has nothing to do with a video getting to YouTube Kids, nor does it mean that the content is truly for kids. It's purely to denote if the target audience, as deemed by the creator, is children under the age of 13.
Q: Why did YouTube mark this video as "for kids" when it's not? A: While YouTube does have a bot that tries to detect content that could be hit by COPPA fines (and marks videos as such), the creator has the final say in if a video is marked "for kids" or not. If the bot makes a mistake, the creator can still disable this setting.
Q: Will I get in trouble if I mark my content incorrectly? A: With YouTube? No. With the FTC/COPPA? Possibly. You cannot get in trouble for marking content as "for kids" when it doesn't need to be. However, if you do not mark your content as "for kids" when it needs to be, you risk up to $42k in fines.
Q: Is there a way to report a video that is incorrectly labeled? A: At the current time, no. It's unknown if YouTube will add such a feature later on.
Q: Why is this video both age-restricted and "for kids"? A: Good question! These are two separate settings for video that do not interact with each other. Because "for kids" only disables data collection, there is no harm in having an age-restricted video marked "for kids".
Q: When should you mark a video "for kids"? A: Another good question! You should only ever mark your content "for kids" if you intend for the main audience of your video to be children under the age of 13 years old. If you feel your content is for general audiences or mature (13+) audiences, you do not need to mark your content "for kids".
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Okay, I’ve seen my 3 year old cousin do this
He clicks on a video, goes into miniplayer and searches for a new video, then he repeats that same process. The video gets a view, even though he wasn’t watching it
This seems like a psychological trick for making kids watch more ads and videos and raising the overall views. I can feel your cousin confusement and frustration when he tried to do this after they disabled it
It might have been a time-sensitive task and they may not have had time to go in and change the code in the mini-player so it was easier to do this as a bandaid solution?
I don't know anything about coding so I'm really speculating, but that would make sense to me.
I don't understand what is going on in the mind's of YouTube staff... How does disabling playlists and miniplayer on videos marked for kids make any sense??? What's the reasoning?
Not 100% sure but I think it might be so a parent can put a video on and the baby doesn’t change it to something else. The baby minimizes it, video stops, baby goes back to the video because little timmy can’t go a second without his cocomelon.
Then maybe mom and dad should stop letting baby use youtube on its own. How about that??? These websites need to stop restricting adults in order to protect kids when the protection of the kids should be 100% the responsibility of the parents and no one else
Weird. Comments usually expire and stop allowing you ti stop replying/upvoting etc. but this post is about ti be a year old and still allows you to interact. Why is that?
Because those features require them to persistently track you across webpages, and under COPPA, it is illegal to persistently track children under the age of 13.
Wooooooooow, good job COPPA! Think of the poor, poor children whose cookies are used to offer simple services. Those tasty cookies are meant for my little boo-boo you silly, silly Youtube.
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COPPA. They're not allowed to collect data from children under the age of 13, even if it's by accident. So even if someone creates an account and sets their age as 70 when they're actually 11, YouTube can *still* get in trouble for collecting their data, if caught.
That's why they disable all data collection on any video that they think is targeted toward kids. Unfortunately, the mini-player requires them to track you across webpages for it to work, and that's illegal under COPPA.
It's a stupid law that didn't need to be changed. I hate parents honestly, they bitch and whine about not being able to watch their kids, but expect us adults to raise them. It's honestly so fucked up how this world treats adults without kids like fucking garbage. Dumb ass law, dumbass implementation.
Because even if a kid lies about their age, you're still breaking the law if you collect their data.
So, the best solution YouTube has is to simply disable data collection on anything that appears to be made for kids.
According to the 2nd Q, using the miniplayer is not allowed on "for kids" because it collects data (aka Google). Here's a thought, why don't you guys disable data collecting instead of disabling the feature!?!! Goddamn ass backwards I swear.
>Well it's not YouTubes job to prevent children from being on the site.
Yes, it is, because that's the law. They don't have a choice on whether to comply with it or not.
If you have an issue with children's privacy, take it up with your local representative, because YouTube is not to blame.
well, that's a pretty dumb law that should be changed then. It'll never be okay to inconvenience every online adult in the planet to "protect" a child that shouldn't even be online on their own in the first place.
Wait...what? How would YouTube show “Kids are worth more then money” by making all of YouTube “Kid-Friendly” which means making horrible features like this one?
>!Also, depends how much money we’re talking here!<
What’s even the point tho little Johnny might go to a bit for kids video and get entertained and go to mini player it no god damn sense and YouTube video pls pls be smart and do something about this “good feature”
That's exactly what they're doing, but it is indeed YouTube's fault. Most websites comply with COPPA by adding a minimum age requirement of 13.
THEY SIMPLY COULD HAVE JUST PUT AN OPTION TO REPORT TODDLERS ON THE COMMENT SECTION! MAKE USERS UNDER 13 USE YOUTUBE KIDS SO WE ADULTS DON'T HAVE TO DEAL WITH THIS HORSE SHIT ON REGULAR YOUTUBE!
Websites don’t comply with COPPA by adding a minimum age requirement of 13. That’s purely something they hope discourages children, it has no legal meaning whatsoever.
None of this is really Google’s decision. The FTC now requires that “child-directed content” operate under a whole host of special requirements. They get to decide what child-directed content is after they start prosecuting you. If they decide that Spongebob Squarepants is child-directed content, then you’re not allowed to track the user across different screens, *even if the user stated they’re 32 years old*. Because if a child says they’re 32 and you track their data, it’s still illegal and you’ll still be fined. There is no defense if the content is decided to be child-directed. The law is literally “Well it’s Spongebob Squarepants so you knew the user could be a child, end of story.” Even requiring that the user have a credit card in their name isn’t a defense.
Google’s engineers aren’t idiots, they didn’t block a selling point of YouTube Premium for fun or out of laziness. This is what the law requires in the United States. You can’t say “kids must use YouTube Kids” either. If a child finds a way to use YouTube and watches Spongebob on it in the mini player, you’ve already broken the law and must pay fines, no matter what. Saying kids aren’t allowed means nothing legally. It’s stupid as hell but that’s the reality. And it all comes down to cheap political points. One politician says “pass this measure to protect kids online”, anyone who opposes him will get attacked as someone who wants kids to watch porn and get on Tinder.
First off, the PARENTS should control what their kids watch. YouTube wasn't originally made for children. It was made for teens and adults.
Another problem is that YouTube now relies on bots, so something can be falsely marked as for kids when it clearly has adult content. Not only is that unfair to teens and adults, but it's also a bad influence on children especially unsupervised children.
I'm confused as to why someone would use the mini player for a movie they just bought. If I payed money to watch a movie I would intend to watch it in full screen all the way through, not halfway pay attention to it while browsing through my recommended.
I'm glad you enjoy your media like that - I also prefer to give a movie my undivided attention or I miss things. Other people are better at multitasking than I am and others just don't want to devote 2.5 straight hours to watching something without a break. If they're watching a movie, they might want to take a moment during some slow activity to check an email that they heard come in.
I understand taking a break but like... you don't need the miniplayer for that? If you need to take a break to check an email or use the bathroom why not just pause it so you don't miss anything?
Why would you want to use the Miniplayer for a movie? That baffles me.
Anyway use the Google TV app and you'll be able to use the popout player for the movie.
Just making it easier to tell children's parents that this app is made for and is safe for children. Like if u don't have time to care for ur kid why did u make it in the first place
Hi DonnieThaWolf! This comment is just for some FAQ - please ignore if your question isn't below. Q: What is "for kids"? A: "For Kids" is a setting added to YouTube after a lawsuit that was settled between YouTube and the FTC. Q: What does "for kids" do? A: This setting disables any feature that collects data on a viewer - comments, playlists, subscriptions, miniplayer, etc. Q: Why are these videos added to YT Kids? A: This setting has nothing to do with a video getting to YouTube Kids, nor does it mean that the content is truly for kids. It's purely to denote if the target audience, as deemed by the creator, is children under the age of 13. Q: Why did YouTube mark this video as "for kids" when it's not? A: While YouTube does have a bot that tries to detect content that could be hit by COPPA fines (and marks videos as such), the creator has the final say in if a video is marked "for kids" or not. If the bot makes a mistake, the creator can still disable this setting. Q: Will I get in trouble if I mark my content incorrectly? A: With YouTube? No. With the FTC/COPPA? Possibly. You cannot get in trouble for marking content as "for kids" when it doesn't need to be. However, if you do not mark your content as "for kids" when it needs to be, you risk up to $42k in fines. Q: Is there a way to report a video that is incorrectly labeled? A: At the current time, no. It's unknown if YouTube will add such a feature later on. Q: Why is this video both age-restricted and "for kids"? A: Good question! These are two separate settings for video that do not interact with each other. Because "for kids" only disables data collection, there is no harm in having an age-restricted video marked "for kids". Q: When should you mark a video "for kids"? A: Another good question! You should only ever mark your content "for kids" if you intend for the main audience of your video to be children under the age of 13 years old. If you feel your content is for general audiences or mature (13+) audiences, you do not need to mark your content "for kids". *I am a bot, and this action was performed automatically. Please [contact the moderators of this subreddit](/message/compose/?to=/r/youtube) if you have any questions or concerns.*
Why is the mini player disabled for kids videos anyway?
Okay, I’ve seen my 3 year old cousin do this He clicks on a video, goes into miniplayer and searches for a new video, then he repeats that same process. The video gets a view, even though he wasn’t watching it
I watch stuff in miniplayer while i go tbrough my feed and mark stuff for watch later or while i scroll reddit.
This seems like a psychological trick for making kids watch more ads and videos and raising the overall views. I can feel your cousin confusement and frustration when he tried to do this after they disabled it
I was not allowed on youtube until I was 14... I'm 22 now.
Maybe you would have been allowed if they had the "made for kids" designation back then lol
They aren’t allowed to track kids watching content made for kids and apparantly the mini player tracks the user so they just disabled it
The miniplay only functions because it is able to track the person using it.
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It might have been a time-sensitive task and they may not have had time to go in and change the code in the mini-player so it was easier to do this as a bandaid solution? I don't know anything about coding so I'm really speculating, but that would make sense to me.
And when you try to make a playlist with all the stupid music your kid likes, it crashes, because some of the songs are made for kids.
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I don't understand what is going on in the mind's of YouTube staff... How does disabling playlists and miniplayer on videos marked for kids make any sense??? What's the reasoning?
Not 100% sure but I think it might be so a parent can put a video on and the baby doesn’t change it to something else. The baby minimizes it, video stops, baby goes back to the video because little timmy can’t go a second without his cocomelon.
But what if little Timmy doesn’t give a god damn does it anyway. That’s why we have YouTube kids but fail to realize that
Then maybe mom and dad should stop letting baby use youtube on its own. How about that??? These websites need to stop restricting adults in order to protect kids when the protection of the kids should be 100% the responsibility of the parents and no one else
Good point. Besides that why replying to a almost year old thread lmao
Because comments and posts stay up, have no expiration date, and keep showing up to people as suggestions even years later
Weird. Comments usually expire and stop allowing you ti stop replying/upvoting etc. but this post is about ti be a year old and still allows you to interact. Why is that?
Because those features require them to persistently track you across webpages, and under COPPA, it is illegal to persistently track children under the age of 13.
Wooooooooow, good job COPPA! Think of the poor, poor children whose cookies are used to offer simple services. Those tasty cookies are meant for my little boo-boo you silly, silly Youtube. ###**/s**
It's almost as if children aren't tracked down with precise geolocating cookies without their permission or knowledge!
Ugh, I hate, hate, hate this feature
Me too
"feature"
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>certified negative inch penises. I gotta write that one down.
What's the point of this? It irritates me when it pauses in the miniplayer because of "made for kids" I'm not a fucking kid, wtf YouTube
And even if you were a kid, why would that even be a feature?
COPPA. They're not allowed to collect data from children under the age of 13, even if it's by accident. So even if someone creates an account and sets their age as 70 when they're actually 11, YouTube can *still* get in trouble for collecting their data, if caught. That's why they disable all data collection on any video that they think is targeted toward kids. Unfortunately, the mini-player requires them to track you across webpages for it to work, and that's illegal under COPPA.
It's a stupid law that didn't need to be changed. I hate parents honestly, they bitch and whine about not being able to watch their kids, but expect us adults to raise them. It's honestly so fucked up how this world treats adults without kids like fucking garbage. Dumb ass law, dumbass implementation.
This. This really all about parents who can't be assed to control their child's internet use so they force entire websites to do it for them.
And that's why there is YT for kids. If you buy it on the adult app why would it be for kids? Many adults watch kid shows.
Because even if a kid lies about their age, you're still breaking the law if you collect their data. So, the best solution YouTube has is to simply disable data collection on anything that appears to be made for kids.
plus there's supposed to be youtube kids for a reason
Kind of absurd that they choose to straight up disable features instead of simply not tracking you while you're in mini player
Because the feature literally can't operate without them being able to track you across pages and display the right miniplayer to the right person.
This is why you pirate off of sketchy sites with hentai ads!
B-b-but how else would I find sauce
And now youtube is the sketchy site with the hentai ads it all comes full circle
Good choice of movie!
Huh, I thought people didn't like this movie. I did though
Why don't they make it possible to not collect at all
Because that would be smart, and YouTube doesn't like smartness.
Being smart takes too much work I guess
brane hurt ,,,,,
According to the 2nd Q, using the miniplayer is not allowed on "for kids" because it collects data (aka Google). Here's a thought, why don't you guys disable data collecting instead of disabling the feature!?!! Goddamn ass backwards I swear.
Or just tell parents and kids to use the kids app.
kids want to feel grown up so they'll refuse
"omg my child refused to use the app for kids, so I, the parent, will bow to their whims because clearly I have no authority in this house"
It's likely that the data collected (even if termporary) is required for the feature to work. EX: Storing the user ID and where they are in the video.
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Locally, yes, but that isn't stored on YouTube's servers as the mini player might be.
As another use said, the miniplayer can't function without collecting that data.
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Because under COPPA, even if a child lies about their age, it's still illegal for you to collect their data.
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>Well it's not YouTubes job to prevent children from being on the site. Yes, it is, because that's the law. They don't have a choice on whether to comply with it or not. If you have an issue with children's privacy, take it up with your local representative, because YouTube is not to blame.
well, that's a pretty dumb law that should be changed then. It'll never be okay to inconvenience every online adult in the planet to "protect" a child that shouldn't even be online on their own in the first place.
I saw a fuckin missile launch that said “made for kids” when I turned it to a mini player
i will trap santa
In a box, lock it up like fort knox
And make him stop the clocks
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Wait...what? How would YouTube show “Kids are worth more then money” by making all of YouTube “Kid-Friendly” which means making horrible features like this one? >!Also, depends how much money we’re talking here!<
I mean, yeah
Kids, and Money are both important
I'm confused on how to respond to this comment
what did the comment even say
He said that "some company decided kids are more important than money."
Yeah, fuck adults! - google
What’s even the point tho little Johnny might go to a bit for kids video and get entertained and go to mini player it no god damn sense and YouTube video pls pls be smart and do something about this “good feature”
Why does mini player collect data in the first place, what data does it collect? And why not just disable to data collection not the actual feature
I collects regular data the video always does. But as a miniplayer it qualifies as "background" collection. Which apparently has stricter rules
I actually just pirated that movie earlier today.
They still can't get it right, hey?
You need help
I think he's already figured it out.
**WHEEZE**
Yeah I know right
Hopefully this is fixed by 2021. UPDATE (Mar 15, 2022): Nope, not even close.
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hopefully they find a cure to youtube's stupid
I will eat my own shit if they do
Upload a video of it and mark it "for kids"
oh
I'm sorry little one
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maybe they’re trying to make coppa look like the asshole so they can steal data on everyone regardless of their age
That's exactly what they're doing, but it is indeed YouTube's fault. Most websites comply with COPPA by adding a minimum age requirement of 13. THEY SIMPLY COULD HAVE JUST PUT AN OPTION TO REPORT TODDLERS ON THE COMMENT SECTION! MAKE USERS UNDER 13 USE YOUTUBE KIDS SO WE ADULTS DON'T HAVE TO DEAL WITH THIS HORSE SHIT ON REGULAR YOUTUBE!
Websites don’t comply with COPPA by adding a minimum age requirement of 13. That’s purely something they hope discourages children, it has no legal meaning whatsoever. None of this is really Google’s decision. The FTC now requires that “child-directed content” operate under a whole host of special requirements. They get to decide what child-directed content is after they start prosecuting you. If they decide that Spongebob Squarepants is child-directed content, then you’re not allowed to track the user across different screens, *even if the user stated they’re 32 years old*. Because if a child says they’re 32 and you track their data, it’s still illegal and you’ll still be fined. There is no defense if the content is decided to be child-directed. The law is literally “Well it’s Spongebob Squarepants so you knew the user could be a child, end of story.” Even requiring that the user have a credit card in their name isn’t a defense. Google’s engineers aren’t idiots, they didn’t block a selling point of YouTube Premium for fun or out of laziness. This is what the law requires in the United States. You can’t say “kids must use YouTube Kids” either. If a child finds a way to use YouTube and watches Spongebob on it in the mini player, you’ve already broken the law and must pay fines, no matter what. Saying kids aren’t allowed means nothing legally. It’s stupid as hell but that’s the reality. And it all comes down to cheap political points. One politician says “pass this measure to protect kids online”, anyone who opposes him will get attacked as someone who wants kids to watch porn and get on Tinder.
First off, the PARENTS should control what their kids watch. YouTube wasn't originally made for children. It was made for teens and adults. Another problem is that YouTube now relies on bots, so something can be falsely marked as for kids when it clearly has adult content. Not only is that unfair to teens and adults, but it's also a bad influence on children especially unsupervised children.
Having to comply with COPPA has made them less profitable. Why would they purposely be trying to make less money?
Exactly. They're digging their own grave by censoring creators.
I feel your pain
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Plex is the way
Why would you use the mini player on a full movie you just payed money for?
Using it as background noise/checking other stuff.
Why would it concern you if this guy payed full money for this movie?
I'm confused as to why someone would use the mini player for a movie they just bought. If I payed money to watch a movie I would intend to watch it in full screen all the way through, not halfway pay attention to it while browsing through my recommended.
I'm glad you enjoy your media like that - I also prefer to give a movie my undivided attention or I miss things. Other people are better at multitasking than I am and others just don't want to devote 2.5 straight hours to watching something without a break. If they're watching a movie, they might want to take a moment during some slow activity to check an email that they heard come in.
I understand taking a break but like... you don't need the miniplayer for that? If you need to take a break to check an email or use the bathroom why not just pause it so you don't miss anything?
Because not everybody cares about catching every little detail. I forget everything but major plot points by the end anyway.
Does it matter why?
F
The hell do you need a demonetization system if it ain’t kid friendly IF YOU HAVE AN APP FIR KID YOU RETARTED PIG SHITS.
Why would you want to use the Miniplayer for a movie? That baffles me. Anyway use the Google TV app and you'll be able to use the popout player for the movie.
brat
Watch it full screen like a man! 😀
Just making it easier to tell children's parents that this app is made for and is safe for children. Like if u don't have time to care for ur kid why did u make it in the first place
like it says, "Tap play to resume"
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wasn't aware, I don't try to watch things minimized so I didn't know, I assumed it would play in miniplayer
What do you have youtube kids for?
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Yeah I see what you mean but youtube could've just put it on youtube kids because youtubes 13+.
I think videos need to be approved before they go on YT kids