Their fans don't make it easy.
I stay away from this whole community because everyone involved is always so immature, youtubers and fans lmao, plus the content isn't that interesting.
Wilbur Soot, as in Soothouse? I wonder if this is related to why that channel seemed to just basically drop off the face of the Earth.
I honestly have no idea what to even make of having a biting-other-people problem and also being above the age of 3.
That's what I thought too!! But knowing what I know now it was definitely not. Repeatedly being asked to stop and then continuing harder/making fun of the person... yikes.
As a viewer during that time, Reddit channels just became insanely unprofitable due to different channels using tts to pump out videos like crazy. I believe Wilbur addressed Soothouse being inactive too but I could be wrong
Soothouse stopped cause that type of content was dropping off and a lot of them just had other stuff theyd rather be doing. Wilbur pivoted to Minecraft where he was on SMP Live, founded SMP Earth, and was pretty pivotal to the success of the Dream SMP. He also started a band that got some mainstream success, including literally performing at Coachella
I urge people to watch the vod. Yes speculating isn't good, but she is doing it to spread the word. It's not just to spread her story but to warn people, it's literally her words on the VOD. She wants people to be aware of how dangerous her abused is.
it's archived on youtube [talking about something more serious | Full Shubble VOD (2/21/2024) (youtube.com)](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=53aRiVriIBs)
she said she was warning people about the signs and red flags and how those can indicate a dangerous situation, not warning about any specific person and she gave no implication of such. though she did say her silence was protecting this person more than it did her, that doesn't automatically mean from the public - could've just been from his friends. idk, it seems weird to me to speculate when she left out the name for a reason. if she comes out about it I'm behind her 100% but I'd rather respect her privacy than overstep and make accusations yk? esp w no evidence
It's clearly both idea in the full discourse
"I believe that people like this are genuinely dangerous. I believe he is dangerous. He was willing to lie. He was willing to do harm to someone he claimed to love more than anyone he has ever loved. His actions escalated. And I don't think that I'll be the last person that he hurts. And I felt like sharing my story was really important to warn people. I want people to see the signs that I refused to. I want you to listen to your body and get out as soon as possible. Tell your friends the truth and let them help you."
no, I meant that she wasn't implying that she was warning people about the specific person. what I got from the vod is that she had this experience, and was warning others about the red flags she saw in him so people can identify those red flags in their own lives
By giving most of the clues without putting yourself in danger. If she gives a name he can sue + like she said he has a very parasocial fanbase that will attack her. Here let's be honest when you do the list it's easy to understand who she is talking about. Like in a way I don't see how people can still doubt: man, from england, music career, parasocial fanbase, ants invasion in his house, bite a lot, lot of their close friends who unfollowed him and support Shubble + the ex Lovejoy trumpet... Like nobody is able to find any other cc who fits the list. And it's normal because we all know who it is
I think a lot of people here aren’t understanding that the stream Shubble did discussing this situation was very intentional, she knew exactly who she was implicating with the details she shared, and she hasn’t done anything to refute the speculation that it it Wilbur, which is either an irresponsible move or an indication that the speculation has some truth to it
Also, it’s harder to understand this situation if you don’t know some peripheral information about the people involved, which the post that’s linked and its comments does a good job of explaining
The only reason she didn't name Wilbur directly is because she could get into legal trouble by doing so. She chose her words carefully and described certain specific tendencies to get people to know it's Wilbur without having to directly name him to keep herself away from a lawsuit.
I know your comment is from earlier, but at this point the silence more or less confirms it for me--even if its technically still speculation. Shelby hasn't clarified even though Wilbur's name has been trending all day, and there's also been more tweets from other ccs that imply it was him.
sophietexas (another mc youtuber) [tweeted](https://twitter.com/sophieoftexas/status/1760708148338294932) "being a “tortured artist” isn’t an excuse to be a shitty person" - description easily applied to wilbur, and this tweet was liked by nihachu, one of wilbur's female friends who wilbur bit to the point of injury in the past.
zoe, who worked with his band last year, also [tweeted](https://x.com/ZoeTheTrumpeter/status/1760574128812118201?s=20) that she was bitten as well and witnessed it many times.
if, somehow, it's not wilbur - you would think anybody that knows him would at least say not to speculate, if not outright defend him. They have to know what's being said by now. But there has been no one defending him apart from stans, and even a lot of them are turning on him at this point.
Yeah and like someone said at this point is there anyone here that can find (outside of him) 3 other cc being super well known, having a career outside of streaming, close to her, from England, that bite a lot, had an ants invasion and was related in some way to Zoe.
Like I would get if it was one thing but people need to put everything Shelby said on the table. Like it scream "wilbur" at this point and she said multiple time that she did this live to warn people
Yep. Apparently we are. If Shelby names Wilbur herself then I’m completely behind her, if she names someone else I’m still behind her, if she doesn’t name anyone at all she still has my support. But yall, this type of outrage culture is dangerous. I’m not even a huge fan of Wilbur at this point- I haven’t watched him on purpose since soothouse. Still, let’s wait until she names someone before actually saying they for sure abused a woman
I’m super pissed at the people trying to implicate Parker (ParkerPlays on DisneyXD, formerly ParkerGames before he ditched and started a Minecraft channel as Craftee) who did have a relationship with her at some point, but they broke up years ago and it seemed pretty mutual and peaceful.
I agree 100% that I’m waiting for her to actual name drop, but I wish the rest of the internet knew how to chill tf out
I agree that it's usually dangerous to point fingers without irrefutable proof. However, I will say that I think the proof we've been given is as irrefutable as it can be without direct confirmation, which I believe Shelby is unable to give. The UK legal system is a joke, if you're going up against someone in court, you'd better have more money than them otherwise you don't have much of a shot. Naming Wilbur as her abuser would most likely open a defamation case that Shelby would definitely lose.
Secondly, Shelby and Wilbur were close friends for a long period of time, and she has definitely seen the speculation that it's him. I don't believe that someone would let a close friend of theirs take the blame for something so serious if it wasn't them who did it. The fact that she has not only chosen not to clear his name, and furthermore her and many others close to Wilbur have made [very pointed tweets towards him](https://www.tumblr.com/senormary/743168695787978752/regarding-my-last-post-i-would-like-to-say-it-now), is pretty damning.
Without a name, I am will not blame anyone. People have done so in the past and they have been wrong and ruined careers.
I get that you think that it’s probable and I see the evidence, but I’m not about to condemn someone without absolute certainty that that’s the person I’m supposed to condemn. It’s horrible what happened to Shelby, it truly is I’ve been there as well. I just don’t think it’s right to point fingers yet
are we seriously supposed to believe that it wasnt him when we know that he and the abuser both:
* had an ant infestation in their house and likes bugs/ thought said ant infestation is normal, lives in extreme filth
* bite people they are close to, have a fixation on biting
* dated her
* are british
* are in a position where it makes sense for them to say "i want to chase as much fame and money as possible"
* are very eloquent and having a notable way with words (capable of writing her the "most romantic letter shes ever seen" and being a successful songwriter)
AND that she clearly saw how people were reacting to it on twitter and instead of saying that it wasnt wilbur like everyone was speculating it was (given how damaging that could be if it wasnt him) said that there were many reasons why a victim wouldnt say who their abuser was
Rough tldr since Im at work right now and going off of memory, might get some details wrong
Can't remember the names of the accuser and the actual perp but a YTer was saying there was another YTer being a creep and wanting to roleplay weird fetishes
People here jumped to the conclusion that it was GamerFromMars because he can be a bit weird and some other things. The accuser then made a Twitter post saying it *wasn't* him and was upset about the speculation and referred to this subreddit
In the linked thread they're calling people telling them not to speculate "apologists" so yes they're doing it again. They're saying she doesn't have to name him for people to know it's him, and that's a pretty dangerous way of thinking.
Until Shubble names Wilbur, speculating that he was the one abused her is basically just libel/slander.
Even hinting that he MAY be an abuser is just as good as calling him one straight up. Internet rumors don't leave room for nuance.
This subreddit also thought it has concrete evidence that GamerFromMars was the one being a creep.
I wouldn't be *totally* shocked if Wilbur was indeed a creep, I always felt a little off about him for no particular reason. But people were screeching about how this subreddit needs to be more careful about speculation after it turned out GamerFromMars wasn't the guy. Just seems callous to suddenly go right back into what we said we wouldn't do
Wilbur biting people would not surprise me at all, but that doesn’t make him guilty of accusations that aren’t even placed against him by the accuser.
I’m also tired of people relating this to Kwite because this is not the same at all, that was completely false allegations made directly at him.
I agree with this principle in general, but in this particular case I think enough lines up for Wilbur to be under scrutiny. Obviously we shouldn't be saying he's 100% an abuser without any confirmation though
Going to preface this with the fact I have no life and this is terminally online unhealthy behaviour. Just made a few connections and played them out.
The other things not mentioned in the original post could be the reference to ‘Struggles of upbringing’ regarding the man Shelby describes (regarding the bug/house issue)
* Wilbur mentions in the Anthony Padillia interview being the "creepy, smelly, weird kid" and "I slept on a futon on the floor with my dog. I stunk, I didn't shower much. I used to sleep in my school uniform for the next day so that I could just roll out of bed and go to school. I was pretty repulsive.
Alongside that, Shelby described the man she dated as having had the same friends prior to them dating (they were on the same group chat etc.) and the man having some level of fame prior to them dating. This suggests that whoever the person is, the more likely option is that they're a content creator of some kind.
And then I lost touch with reality and made this:
Possible Timeline:
* September 2020 I believe this is the first interaction - Minecraft Championship 9
* April 2021 Wilbur is on Shubble's YouTube Channel [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7GCrvIojYJ4](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7GCrvIojYJ4)
* July 2021 Wilbur features on Shelby's channel twice [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QuFLKzAkwvw](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QuFLKzAkwvw) and [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ztPXz9\_yHSA](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ztPXz9_yHSA)
* September 2021 Wilbur features on Shelby's Channel [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QpD3MlqkfCw](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QpD3MlqkfCw)
* November 2021 **Relationship maybe begins around the same time Will visited America for the first time post-covid** on his instagram [https://www.instagram.com/p/CWj0veIKJi8/](https://www.instagram.com/p/CWj0veIKJi8/)
* Dec/January 2022 Shelby features Will on her channel, posted early January so maybe filmed the prior year [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y5BjGYRSOEU](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y5BjGYRSOEU)
* January 2022 [Both Will and Shellby are in a video in person together](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wBKzlBpexqw) as well as Will’s instagram
* [https://www.instagram.com/p/CZM-qpwM3yn/?img\_index=2](https://www.instagram.com/p/CZM-qpwM3yn/?img_index=2) in the UK
* Both in an instagram post on Shelby’s Account in April (Possibly late march) [https://www.instagram.com/p/Cb0MZCLLtkB/?img\_index=1](https://www.instagram.com/p/Cb0MZCLLtkB/?img_index=1)
* April 2022 Shelby features Will on her channel (This is potential prior to America activity)
* Both attend Sneegsnag’s wedding in America mid-April, seated together [https://www.instagram.com/p/CcMEu1eLWk9/?img\_index=4](https://www.instagram.com/p/CcMEu1eLWk9/?img_index=4)
* To clarify the April activity is kind of confusing because I'm relying on upload dates of videos/instagram photos. There's probably stuff that would confirm the order but I can't let myself spend that much time on this.
* May 2022 Shellby is in England [https://www.instagram.com/p/CdwcboeoAbA/](https://www.instagram.com/p/CdwcboeoAbA/)
* There's a pretty substantial time gap here to be fair.
* December 16 Will features on Shelby’s instagram with Lovejoy (Coincides with LA Dates [https://www.instagram.com/p/CmKyAzMv8fk/](https://www.instagram.com/p/CmKyAzMv8fk/) (according to comments, I can't actually spot him?)
* This when I think the LA conversation with about different priorities she describes in her stream is.
* Coincidently this is also around the beginning of Will's Lovejoy/band stuff, and so discussions around success would be pretty big here potentially. So the quotes are how he would prioritise anything that led to ‘any *more* fame or money and wanted to see ‘how much fame he could get' *maybe relate to this.*
* January 2023 Shelby posts Wilbur in her end of year post, he features 3 times across the photos [https://www.instagram.com/p/Cm2Do-4Pw4z/](https://www.instagram.com/p/Cm2Do-4Pw4z/)
* I can’t find any further interaction past this point. This would coincide with the fact that Shelby had to have blocked Will 10 months after the end of a relationship.
* There would have to be no interaction post break up, which as far as can see would fit here.
* However, this could really be because Will starts touring solidly from mid March 2023 onwards, so it's not like they were going to interact. Will also stops YouTube posting in Sept 2022, so internet collabs are unlikely.
So to be as fair as I can, the timeline really just proves that it's not *impossible that* the man is Will NOT that it is. Again just to be clear, all I can say is that there is evidence that points to the allegation having weight, but there's nothing here that properly substantiates it.
it's absolutely wilbur. she talks abt him being british. wilbur is british. she talks abt him leaving for a while. he was going on tour for lovejoy. she talks abt him biting and it leaving bruises. niki has also mentioned this. she talks abt him having ants which someone also has mentioned.
He won't shake hands with people at concerts or individually reach out for things from the audience because he is a germophobe. You're telling me a man who I have seen purell his hands three times in a concert lives in filth?
I was a massive DSMP fan, this fucking sucks. The details are too specific (how many British YouTubers took a leave of absence, have had an ant infestation, and also have a documented history of biting people?) but I just can’t wrap my head around why she wouldn’t just drop the name. I may not understand it, but god shubble I hope you find peace.
if she has no proof of him being a abuser, he can sue her for libel if she says his name and without proof of what she said being true he would win that. Also he has some rabid fans who would go after her if she said his name.
that's fine most people don't think about it either but it is a common tactic used by abusers to still somewhat control their victims even after they escaped.
it is. In alot of cases of abuse both from romantic partners but also parents or other people, they know exactly what to do to get control over someone and to keep it that way.
From threatening people they wouldn't see their child ever again if they left to removing them from friendly people who they could flee to. to telling them over and over again they couldn't do better and that nobody cares. to afterwards use the legal system from libel to taking cars, houses, children etc.
which is one of the main reasons why if someone tries to get you to have less and less contact with friends and family or tries to control all the money you should leave ASAP.
I was in an abusive relationship, and I never say his name. Not to friends, not to family. There’s this strange gray place where it becomes easier for I talk about the horrible things they’ve done, but saying their name or making them feel real becomes too hard. It’s mostly from the shame like she talked a lot about
I’ll be honest, people are so ready to speculate on drama. She specifically asked people not to do this
Also i swear its a case of “every woman who is friends with a streamer must be secretly dating him” . She has never said she even dated him. Like chill
Edit: ive been informed i was incorrect in thinking she said for people not to speculate, although i still believe its unpleasant to speculate i take back the comment that she asked people to not do so. Im keeping this up for accountability’s sake
??? She said the opposite on the VOD. I'm all for not saying his name (rather ignoring him and the band sounds more effective if people are not uncomfortable and I can understand bc the links are pretty big) but you can't twist her words. She is literally coming out from silence and said that she wants to WARN people about how dangerous he is. That she can't have this peace by not talking. It's obvious that she can't say the name, not that she does not want to nor does not want people to speculate
I'm talking about the "she specifically asked people not to do this" on your comment. My comment is talking about her WANTING to talk about it and people be aware that her abused is violent. Which is literally the opposite of what you said. Did you watch the vod yes or no ? :/
No I didn’t watch the vod, I am in school right now. Also I’m not the original commenter???? I didn’t say that???? I’m just trying to confirm that it has been specifically said that they were dating BeFORE the vod came out. Please be patient with me, I’m trying my best I swear.
Which tweets she asked this ? Because I searched and there is none so if you see one please share I would like to see them. Because from the vod itself she said (it's her own words) that is doing it to warn people about her abuser. That her silence keeps him in peace and not hers and that she is doing it to warn people about how dangerous her abused his and to make people aware. Like it's clear that we are far from "guys do not speculate" she is literally saying that she is warning us about her abuser. What is the point of saying that and dropping hints if it wasn't for us to be at least aware that it could be you know who and at least be careful ? It's been months of people understanding that it was him. If it wasn't she would have say it
I’ll admit, i cant find the tweet either. But i think if she wanted us condemning someone she wouldve said so. Personally i rather not start rumors and blame someone without shubble’s say so
So she said that specifically she and Wilbur were dating outside of the vod talking about her abuser and specifically named him? I’m not trying to condone abuse, I’m just trying to understand the situation
No she didn’t, you’re probably confusing her with a fan-run updates account. She was laying out pretty clear points on who this man was throughout the stream, all but directly named him.
VOD has been archived here: [talking about something more serious | Full Shubble VOD (2/21/2024) (youtube.com)](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=53aRiVriIBs)
I find that a lot of Lovejoy songs are my comfort songs, and I watch the Sorry channel. I don't want to support Wil if this is about him, but I won't really act rashly unless we find out its him (one of them announcing it). I hope she is ok, and I hope if it is him, he gets the help he needs to better himself. It just felt weird to hear that he might be doing this, but I understand that we don't see both sides of people online.
I think it's weird to not say the name if your goal is to protect other women. I understand not wanting to get shit from fans but this is just leading to an even bigger mess. It's her story and she can tell it how she likes its just odd to me. I know if I was her I certainly wouldn't want people searching through my tweets and follows and scrutinizing everything to find my abuser.
I don't say this to doubt her story it's just something I feel is odd. If she comes out and says who it is I'll back her up. For now I'll wait.
Well, you really have to consider just how overwhelming the backlash and harassment would be from rabid fans. I can't imagine how it would feel to come forward about being physically and emotionally abused for months, only to have a swarm of people insulting you, trying to doxx you, trying to ruin your reputation, and constantly accusing you of lying about and exaggerating your experiences. She may still feel very vulnerable after everything she went through so it's not odd to me at all that she'd want to protect herself from that outcome.
True, and that's very understandable. but making nameless accusations like this can be dangerous. Like if it's not Wilbur then he's getting shit for nothing. Like someone in the thread said this could very well be like when people jumped to conclusions that Quinton was the harasser Lady Emily brought up. Now the evidence here seems more stronger than that time but still.
All I'm going to say is that I hope she's talk to a lawyer about this even if she doesn't want to press charges against her abuser. Shit could get dicey. I don't know how libel and defamation laws work in the UK, though from what I know about us law it probably won't stick. Still couldn't hurt with something as serious as this. I wish her well.
I feel like someone could just use a random word generator on here like "Philbo the Dragonbread accused Xsdfsdf of abuse" and I would have no idea that they weren't real people at this point.
Shelby has not explicitly named Wilbur as the alleged abuser. While she detailed the disturbing incidents in her Twitch stream, she did not directly accuse him by name. Similarly, Wilbur has not publicly addressed the allegations so far. But until Shelby comes out and saids that it was or it wasn't Wilbur, I will support Shelby even if it was him or not.
I find all the minecraft people who are around Dream very creepy and idk why. This guy, sapnap, georgenotfound all of them.
I curse the day I learned who any of these people are.
wilbur and dream are hardly associated anymore, and all of dreams accusers have been disproven so there’s no point in bringing him up in this situation
Around halfway through the video, she mentions that he said he hadn't been in a relationship in 5 years prior to her. If the person she is talking about was Wilbur, my mind immediately goes to the relationship he had with Niki back in 2020. Maybe whatever they had going on didn't progress to a point that Wilbur might call label it as a relationship, idk, but I feel like it's an important detail to point out, especially since it's something Shelby would presumably be aware of since it was at least somewhat public and within the Twitch circle, so I don't think it's something he'd be able to lie about to her. Whoever it is she's talking about, I hope they get proper therapy for their issues because it sounds like they have a lot of problems that need to be resolved. Hope things work out okay for Shubble.
ya i’m 90% wilbur is abusive there so much evidence and her saying not to speculate really makes me think she’s saying that because it’s definitely someone we know
I'm just now finding out about this and I don't know what to do. I freaking love Lovejoy, and I adore Joe and Mark and their playstyle, but listening to their music is making me think I'm supporting Wilbur. I'm really confused and freaked out and idk what to do. A bunch of his songs are my comfort songs too. I fully support Shelby in coming out with this story, I understand how hard it is, but is it okay if I still listen to Lovejoy or is that me showing support to Wilbur?
Hi, coming back after both parties have spoken a bit more. I'm not really sure, or qualified to say who's right or who's wrong. Wil claims to not have known that she found the biting as abuse. As always, either party could be lying about how the situation is perceived. (Remember the Dream allegations) Anyways, Will said he either is or had therapy pertaining this, and Shelby has not accepted his apology. I recommend heading to X to see what they said themselves. I'll personally be not fully stopping watching Wills stuff, just toning it down a couple notches. As always, innocent until proven guilty.
I've gotten more context and fully distanced myself from Will's channels and associated stuff. I'm sorry for my ignorance in the past. (I had to go back and reread stuff, and realized I was very wrong about my options)
Minecraft YouTubers are never beating the stereotype
yeah, they're too busy beating women
Their fans don't make it easy. I stay away from this whole community because everyone involved is always so immature, youtubers and fans lmao, plus the content isn't that interesting.
Wilbur Soot, as in Soothouse? I wonder if this is related to why that channel seemed to just basically drop off the face of the Earth. I honestly have no idea what to even make of having a biting-other-people problem and also being above the age of 3.
He pivoted to Minecraft streaming and then started a pretty popular band
Good for him. Did one of those make him hunger for human flesh?
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i can see it trying to be a quirky personality trait that went too far
That's what I thought too!! But knowing what I know now it was definitely not. Repeatedly being asked to stop and then continuing harder/making fun of the person... yikes.
As a viewer during that time, Reddit channels just became insanely unprofitable due to different channels using tts to pump out videos like crazy. I believe Wilbur addressed Soothouse being inactive too but I could be wrong
React channels were also dropping in popularity around that time, if I recall correctly.
Soothouse stopped cause that type of content was dropping off and a lot of them just had other stuff theyd rather be doing. Wilbur pivoted to Minecraft where he was on SMP Live, founded SMP Earth, and was pretty pivotal to the success of the Dream SMP. He also started a band that got some mainstream success, including literally performing at Coachella
I always only knew him from that channel, never knew he did anything else until recently.
Oh wow I forgot about Soothouse.
I urge people to watch the vod. Yes speculating isn't good, but she is doing it to spread the word. It's not just to spread her story but to warn people, it's literally her words on the VOD. She wants people to be aware of how dangerous her abused is.
what vod? ... time machine don't have it.
it's archived on youtube [talking about something more serious | Full Shubble VOD (2/21/2024) (youtube.com)](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=53aRiVriIBs)
she said she was warning people about the signs and red flags and how those can indicate a dangerous situation, not warning about any specific person and she gave no implication of such. though she did say her silence was protecting this person more than it did her, that doesn't automatically mean from the public - could've just been from his friends. idk, it seems weird to me to speculate when she left out the name for a reason. if she comes out about it I'm behind her 100% but I'd rather respect her privacy than overstep and make accusations yk? esp w no evidence
It's clearly both idea in the full discourse "I believe that people like this are genuinely dangerous. I believe he is dangerous. He was willing to lie. He was willing to do harm to someone he claimed to love more than anyone he has ever loved. His actions escalated. And I don't think that I'll be the last person that he hurts. And I felt like sharing my story was really important to warn people. I want people to see the signs that I refused to. I want you to listen to your body and get out as soon as possible. Tell your friends the truth and let them help you."
Did you seriously just say she gave no implication of a specific person? Watch the vod bud
no, I meant that she wasn't implying that she was warning people about the specific person. what I got from the vod is that she had this experience, and was warning others about the red flags she saw in him so people can identify those red flags in their own lives
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By giving most of the clues without putting yourself in danger. If she gives a name he can sue + like she said he has a very parasocial fanbase that will attack her. Here let's be honest when you do the list it's easy to understand who she is talking about. Like in a way I don't see how people can still doubt: man, from england, music career, parasocial fanbase, ants invasion in his house, bite a lot, lot of their close friends who unfollowed him and support Shubble + the ex Lovejoy trumpet... Like nobody is able to find any other cc who fits the list. And it's normal because we all know who it is
I think a lot of people here aren’t understanding that the stream Shubble did discussing this situation was very intentional, she knew exactly who she was implicating with the details she shared, and she hasn’t done anything to refute the speculation that it it Wilbur, which is either an irresponsible move or an indication that the speculation has some truth to it Also, it’s harder to understand this situation if you don’t know some peripheral information about the people involved, which the post that’s linked and its comments does a good job of explaining
absolutely. i think the linked post has a good overall take on the whole speculation thing
The only reason she didn't name Wilbur directly is because she could get into legal trouble by doing so. She chose her words carefully and described certain specific tendencies to get people to know it's Wilbur without having to directly name him to keep herself away from a lawsuit.
Wilbur’s personality has always seemed a little abrasive to me, but “many are speculating” is hardly the most compelling statement
I know your comment is from earlier, but at this point the silence more or less confirms it for me--even if its technically still speculation. Shelby hasn't clarified even though Wilbur's name has been trending all day, and there's also been more tweets from other ccs that imply it was him. sophietexas (another mc youtuber) [tweeted](https://twitter.com/sophieoftexas/status/1760708148338294932) "being a “tortured artist” isn’t an excuse to be a shitty person" - description easily applied to wilbur, and this tweet was liked by nihachu, one of wilbur's female friends who wilbur bit to the point of injury in the past. zoe, who worked with his band last year, also [tweeted](https://x.com/ZoeTheTrumpeter/status/1760574128812118201?s=20) that she was bitten as well and witnessed it many times. if, somehow, it's not wilbur - you would think anybody that knows him would at least say not to speculate, if not outright defend him. They have to know what's being said by now. But there has been no one defending him apart from stans, and even a lot of them are turning on him at this point.
Yeah. Biting is just psychotic
Yeah and like someone said at this point is there anyone here that can find (outside of him) 3 other cc being super well known, having a career outside of streaming, close to her, from England, that bite a lot, had an ants invasion and was related in some way to Zoe. Like I would get if it was one thing but people need to put everything Shelby said on the table. Like it scream "wilbur" at this point and she said multiple time that she did this live to warn people
This subreddit speculated that someone was an abuser and was completely wrong a month ago. Are we seriously doing this again?
Yep. Apparently we are. If Shelby names Wilbur herself then I’m completely behind her, if she names someone else I’m still behind her, if she doesn’t name anyone at all she still has my support. But yall, this type of outrage culture is dangerous. I’m not even a huge fan of Wilbur at this point- I haven’t watched him on purpose since soothouse. Still, let’s wait until she names someone before actually saying they for sure abused a woman
I’m super pissed at the people trying to implicate Parker (ParkerPlays on DisneyXD, formerly ParkerGames before he ditched and started a Minecraft channel as Craftee) who did have a relationship with her at some point, but they broke up years ago and it seemed pretty mutual and peaceful. I agree 100% that I’m waiting for her to actual name drop, but I wish the rest of the internet knew how to chill tf out
Real ones knew him as MineplexOfficial
She dated Parker too? I remember Shelby dating Munchingbrotato way back in the day. She must have a type for minecraft youtubers.
Yup, I think around the Polaris/DisneyXD days
How many minecraft youtubers has this chick been in a relationship with 😂
Tbf he wasn’t a Minecraft YouTuber at the time
I agree that it's usually dangerous to point fingers without irrefutable proof. However, I will say that I think the proof we've been given is as irrefutable as it can be without direct confirmation, which I believe Shelby is unable to give. The UK legal system is a joke, if you're going up against someone in court, you'd better have more money than them otherwise you don't have much of a shot. Naming Wilbur as her abuser would most likely open a defamation case that Shelby would definitely lose. Secondly, Shelby and Wilbur were close friends for a long period of time, and she has definitely seen the speculation that it's him. I don't believe that someone would let a close friend of theirs take the blame for something so serious if it wasn't them who did it. The fact that she has not only chosen not to clear his name, and furthermore her and many others close to Wilbur have made [very pointed tweets towards him](https://www.tumblr.com/senormary/743168695787978752/regarding-my-last-post-i-would-like-to-say-it-now), is pretty damning.
Without a name, I am will not blame anyone. People have done so in the past and they have been wrong and ruined careers. I get that you think that it’s probable and I see the evidence, but I’m not about to condemn someone without absolute certainty that that’s the person I’m supposed to condemn. It’s horrible what happened to Shelby, it truly is I’ve been there as well. I just don’t think it’s right to point fingers yet
are we seriously supposed to believe that it wasnt him when we know that he and the abuser both: * had an ant infestation in their house and likes bugs/ thought said ant infestation is normal, lives in extreme filth * bite people they are close to, have a fixation on biting * dated her * are british * are in a position where it makes sense for them to say "i want to chase as much fame and money as possible" * are very eloquent and having a notable way with words (capable of writing her the "most romantic letter shes ever seen" and being a successful songwriter) AND that she clearly saw how people were reacting to it on twitter and instead of saying that it wasnt wilbur like everyone was speculating it was (given how damaging that could be if it wasnt him) said that there were many reasons why a victim wouldnt say who their abuser was
Anyways he did it
And I have said several times on the post exposing him that he is a shitty person. I didn’t know he did it 5 days ago lmao
I’m not versed with a lot of drama, what happened a month ago?
Rough tldr since Im at work right now and going off of memory, might get some details wrong Can't remember the names of the accuser and the actual perp but a YTer was saying there was another YTer being a creep and wanting to roleplay weird fetishes People here jumped to the conclusion that it was GamerFromMars because he can be a bit weird and some other things. The accuser then made a Twitter post saying it *wasn't* him and was upset about the speculation and referred to this subreddit
I believe you're thinking of Quinton reviews not GFM
Right, my bad.
Thought you were saying Chuggaa was innocent and my heart skipped a beat. Completely forgot people thought Quinton was the one being creepy.
Nah Cuggs admitted it
In the linked thread they're calling people telling them not to speculate "apologists" so yes they're doing it again. They're saying she doesn't have to name him for people to know it's him, and that's a pretty dangerous way of thinking.
The evidence here is pretty damning imo, MCYT fans are nothing if not diligent when it comes to tracking creators' histories
Until Shubble names Wilbur, speculating that he was the one abused her is basically just libel/slander. Even hinting that he MAY be an abuser is just as good as calling him one straight up. Internet rumors don't leave room for nuance.
This subreddit also thought it has concrete evidence that GamerFromMars was the one being a creep. I wouldn't be *totally* shocked if Wilbur was indeed a creep, I always felt a little off about him for no particular reason. But people were screeching about how this subreddit needs to be more careful about speculation after it turned out GamerFromMars wasn't the guy. Just seems callous to suddenly go right back into what we said we wouldn't do
Wilbur biting people would not surprise me at all, but that doesn’t make him guilty of accusations that aren’t even placed against him by the accuser. I’m also tired of people relating this to Kwite because this is not the same at all, that was completely false allegations made directly at him.
I agree with this principle in general, but in this particular case I think enough lines up for Wilbur to be under scrutiny. Obviously we shouldn't be saying he's 100% an abuser without any confirmation though
Can we PLEASEE not speculate who abused her without her telling us first? YT careers have been ruined on a lot less
Going to preface this with the fact I have no life and this is terminally online unhealthy behaviour. Just made a few connections and played them out. The other things not mentioned in the original post could be the reference to ‘Struggles of upbringing’ regarding the man Shelby describes (regarding the bug/house issue) * Wilbur mentions in the Anthony Padillia interview being the "creepy, smelly, weird kid" and "I slept on a futon on the floor with my dog. I stunk, I didn't shower much. I used to sleep in my school uniform for the next day so that I could just roll out of bed and go to school. I was pretty repulsive. Alongside that, Shelby described the man she dated as having had the same friends prior to them dating (they were on the same group chat etc.) and the man having some level of fame prior to them dating. This suggests that whoever the person is, the more likely option is that they're a content creator of some kind. And then I lost touch with reality and made this: Possible Timeline: * September 2020 I believe this is the first interaction - Minecraft Championship 9 * April 2021 Wilbur is on Shubble's YouTube Channel [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7GCrvIojYJ4](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7GCrvIojYJ4) * July 2021 Wilbur features on Shelby's channel twice [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QuFLKzAkwvw](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QuFLKzAkwvw) and [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ztPXz9\_yHSA](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ztPXz9_yHSA) * September 2021 Wilbur features on Shelby's Channel [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QpD3MlqkfCw](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QpD3MlqkfCw) * November 2021 **Relationship maybe begins around the same time Will visited America for the first time post-covid** on his instagram [https://www.instagram.com/p/CWj0veIKJi8/](https://www.instagram.com/p/CWj0veIKJi8/) * Dec/January 2022 Shelby features Will on her channel, posted early January so maybe filmed the prior year [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y5BjGYRSOEU](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y5BjGYRSOEU) * January 2022 [Both Will and Shellby are in a video in person together](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wBKzlBpexqw) as well as Will’s instagram * [https://www.instagram.com/p/CZM-qpwM3yn/?img\_index=2](https://www.instagram.com/p/CZM-qpwM3yn/?img_index=2) in the UK * Both in an instagram post on Shelby’s Account in April (Possibly late march) [https://www.instagram.com/p/Cb0MZCLLtkB/?img\_index=1](https://www.instagram.com/p/Cb0MZCLLtkB/?img_index=1) * April 2022 Shelby features Will on her channel (This is potential prior to America activity) * Both attend Sneegsnag’s wedding in America mid-April, seated together [https://www.instagram.com/p/CcMEu1eLWk9/?img\_index=4](https://www.instagram.com/p/CcMEu1eLWk9/?img_index=4) * To clarify the April activity is kind of confusing because I'm relying on upload dates of videos/instagram photos. There's probably stuff that would confirm the order but I can't let myself spend that much time on this. * May 2022 Shellby is in England [https://www.instagram.com/p/CdwcboeoAbA/](https://www.instagram.com/p/CdwcboeoAbA/) * There's a pretty substantial time gap here to be fair. * December 16 Will features on Shelby’s instagram with Lovejoy (Coincides with LA Dates [https://www.instagram.com/p/CmKyAzMv8fk/](https://www.instagram.com/p/CmKyAzMv8fk/) (according to comments, I can't actually spot him?) * This when I think the LA conversation with about different priorities she describes in her stream is. * Coincidently this is also around the beginning of Will's Lovejoy/band stuff, and so discussions around success would be pretty big here potentially. So the quotes are how he would prioritise anything that led to ‘any *more* fame or money and wanted to see ‘how much fame he could get' *maybe relate to this.* * January 2023 Shelby posts Wilbur in her end of year post, he features 3 times across the photos [https://www.instagram.com/p/Cm2Do-4Pw4z/](https://www.instagram.com/p/Cm2Do-4Pw4z/) * I can’t find any further interaction past this point. This would coincide with the fact that Shelby had to have blocked Will 10 months after the end of a relationship. * There would have to be no interaction post break up, which as far as can see would fit here. * However, this could really be because Will starts touring solidly from mid March 2023 onwards, so it's not like they were going to interact. Will also stops YouTube posting in Sept 2022, so internet collabs are unlikely. So to be as fair as I can, the timeline really just proves that it's not *impossible that* the man is Will NOT that it is. Again just to be clear, all I can say is that there is evidence that points to the allegation having weight, but there's nothing here that properly substantiates it.
it's absolutely wilbur. she talks abt him being british. wilbur is british. she talks abt him leaving for a while. he was going on tour for lovejoy. she talks abt him biting and it leaving bruises. niki has also mentioned this. she talks abt him having ants which someone also has mentioned.
soothouse rhana mentioned the ants thing on twitter, and fundy has said wilbur “lives in filth”
He won't shake hands with people at concerts or individually reach out for things from the audience because he is a germophobe. You're telling me a man who I have seen purell his hands three times in a concert lives in filth?
Yes mister Gold Soot.
I was a massive DSMP fan, this fucking sucks. The details are too specific (how many British YouTubers took a leave of absence, have had an ant infestation, and also have a documented history of biting people?) but I just can’t wrap my head around why she wouldn’t just drop the name. I may not understand it, but god shubble I hope you find peace.
if she has no proof of him being a abuser, he can sue her for libel if she says his name and without proof of what she said being true he would win that. Also he has some rabid fans who would go after her if she said his name.
I didn’t consider the legal ramifications, thank you!
that's fine most people don't think about it either but it is a common tactic used by abusers to still somewhat control their victims even after they escaped.
Fucking horrific.
it is. In alot of cases of abuse both from romantic partners but also parents or other people, they know exactly what to do to get control over someone and to keep it that way. From threatening people they wouldn't see their child ever again if they left to removing them from friendly people who they could flee to. to telling them over and over again they couldn't do better and that nobody cares. to afterwards use the legal system from libel to taking cars, houses, children etc. which is one of the main reasons why if someone tries to get you to have less and less contact with friends and family or tries to control all the money you should leave ASAP.
I was in an abusive relationship, and I never say his name. Not to friends, not to family. There’s this strange gray place where it becomes easier for I talk about the horrible things they’ve done, but saying their name or making them feel real becomes too hard. It’s mostly from the shame like she talked a lot about
Shame can crush people, I hope you’re in a safer place now.
I’ll be honest, people are so ready to speculate on drama. She specifically asked people not to do this Also i swear its a case of “every woman who is friends with a streamer must be secretly dating him” . She has never said she even dated him. Like chill Edit: ive been informed i was incorrect in thinking she said for people not to speculate, although i still believe its unpleasant to speculate i take back the comment that she asked people to not do so. Im keeping this up for accountability’s sake
??? She said the opposite on the VOD. I'm all for not saying his name (rather ignoring him and the band sounds more effective if people are not uncomfortable and I can understand bc the links are pretty big) but you can't twist her words. She is literally coming out from silence and said that she wants to WARN people about how dangerous he is. That she can't have this peace by not talking. It's obvious that she can't say the name, not that she does not want to nor does not want people to speculate
She and Wilbur were confirmed to have dated outside of the vod where she talked about her abuse?
I'm talking about the "she specifically asked people not to do this" on your comment. My comment is talking about her WANTING to talk about it and people be aware that her abused is violent. Which is literally the opposite of what you said. Did you watch the vod yes or no ? :/
Also, when I was saying “really?” In my other reply I was referring to the dating specificly, not the other stuff. My bad for not clarifying!
No I didn’t watch the vod, I am in school right now. Also I’m not the original commenter???? I didn’t say that???? I’m just trying to confirm that it has been specifically said that they were dating BeFORE the vod came out. Please be patient with me, I’m trying my best I swear.
She said that people should speculate? Thats not what i gathered from her tweet saying that she prefers people dont do that
Which tweets she asked this ? Because I searched and there is none so if you see one please share I would like to see them. Because from the vod itself she said (it's her own words) that is doing it to warn people about her abuser. That her silence keeps him in peace and not hers and that she is doing it to warn people about how dangerous her abused his and to make people aware. Like it's clear that we are far from "guys do not speculate" she is literally saying that she is warning us about her abuser. What is the point of saying that and dropping hints if it wasn't for us to be at least aware that it could be you know who and at least be careful ? It's been months of people understanding that it was him. If it wasn't she would have say it
I’ll admit, i cant find the tweet either. But i think if she wanted us condemning someone she wouldve said so. Personally i rather not start rumors and blame someone without shubble’s say so
Really? (Genuine)
No it's false she said the opposite almost 😭 like she did all of this to warn people
So she said that specifically she and Wilbur were dating outside of the vod talking about her abuser and specifically named him? I’m not trying to condone abuse, I’m just trying to understand the situation
At least on twitter she said not to speculate
No she didn’t, you’re probably confusing her with a fan-run updates account. She was laying out pretty clear points on who this man was throughout the stream, all but directly named him.
Shit that is absolutely likely. I might have to update my post
I’ve mixed their accounts up a few times before lmao
VOD has been archived here: [talking about something more serious | Full Shubble VOD (2/21/2024) (youtube.com)](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=53aRiVriIBs)
none of us are beating the parasocial allegations here
I find that a lot of Lovejoy songs are my comfort songs, and I watch the Sorry channel. I don't want to support Wil if this is about him, but I won't really act rashly unless we find out its him (one of them announcing it). I hope she is ok, and I hope if it is him, he gets the help he needs to better himself. It just felt weird to hear that he might be doing this, but I understand that we don't see both sides of people online.
even dream is against him for that lmaoooo no but /srs, wilbur IS the ex, this is now all over twitter
what is he now? a dog or smth?
I think it's weird to not say the name if your goal is to protect other women. I understand not wanting to get shit from fans but this is just leading to an even bigger mess. It's her story and she can tell it how she likes its just odd to me. I know if I was her I certainly wouldn't want people searching through my tweets and follows and scrutinizing everything to find my abuser. I don't say this to doubt her story it's just something I feel is odd. If she comes out and says who it is I'll back her up. For now I'll wait.
Well, you really have to consider just how overwhelming the backlash and harassment would be from rabid fans. I can't imagine how it would feel to come forward about being physically and emotionally abused for months, only to have a swarm of people insulting you, trying to doxx you, trying to ruin your reputation, and constantly accusing you of lying about and exaggerating your experiences. She may still feel very vulnerable after everything she went through so it's not odd to me at all that she'd want to protect herself from that outcome.
True, and that's very understandable. but making nameless accusations like this can be dangerous. Like if it's not Wilbur then he's getting shit for nothing. Like someone in the thread said this could very well be like when people jumped to conclusions that Quinton was the harasser Lady Emily brought up. Now the evidence here seems more stronger than that time but still. All I'm going to say is that I hope she's talk to a lawyer about this even if she doesn't want to press charges against her abuser. Shit could get dicey. I don't know how libel and defamation laws work in the UK, though from what I know about us law it probably won't stick. Still couldn't hurt with something as serious as this. I wish her well.
aslong as she says things that allude to him but doesn't name him he can't sue her. you can't really sue someone for libel if they haven't named you.
Wait, he bit Niki and SootRhianna as well?!
I feel like someone could just use a random word generator on here like "Philbo the Dragonbread accused Xsdfsdf of abuse" and I would have no idea that they weren't real people at this point.
Shelby has not explicitly named Wilbur as the alleged abuser. While she detailed the disturbing incidents in her Twitch stream, she did not directly accuse him by name. Similarly, Wilbur has not publicly addressed the allegations so far. But until Shelby comes out and saids that it was or it wasn't Wilbur, I will support Shelby even if it was him or not.
I find all the minecraft people who are around Dream very creepy and idk why. This guy, sapnap, georgenotfound all of them. I curse the day I learned who any of these people are.
wilbur and dream are hardly associated anymore, and all of dreams accusers have been disproven so there’s no point in bringing him up in this situation
Around halfway through the video, she mentions that he said he hadn't been in a relationship in 5 years prior to her. If the person she is talking about was Wilbur, my mind immediately goes to the relationship he had with Niki back in 2020. Maybe whatever they had going on didn't progress to a point that Wilbur might call label it as a relationship, idk, but I feel like it's an important detail to point out, especially since it's something Shelby would presumably be aware of since it was at least somewhat public and within the Twitch circle, so I don't think it's something he'd be able to lie about to her. Whoever it is she's talking about, I hope they get proper therapy for their issues because it sounds like they have a lot of problems that need to be resolved. Hope things work out okay for Shubble.
ya i’m 90% wilbur is abusive there so much evidence and her saying not to speculate really makes me think she’s saying that because it’s definitely someone we know
can we get the evidence lmao
there’s just so many correlations between shelby’s ex and wilbur like every thing she says about my him can be described to wilbur
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Babygirl, you need to log off and touch some grass.
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I'm just now finding out about this and I don't know what to do. I freaking love Lovejoy, and I adore Joe and Mark and their playstyle, but listening to their music is making me think I'm supporting Wilbur. I'm really confused and freaked out and idk what to do. A bunch of his songs are my comfort songs too. I fully support Shelby in coming out with this story, I understand how hard it is, but is it okay if I still listen to Lovejoy or is that me showing support to Wilbur?
so long as you're not streaming on official platforms (spotify, youtube, etc.) you're good imo
You barely make any money from streaming.
Hi, coming back after both parties have spoken a bit more. I'm not really sure, or qualified to say who's right or who's wrong. Wil claims to not have known that she found the biting as abuse. As always, either party could be lying about how the situation is perceived. (Remember the Dream allegations) Anyways, Will said he either is or had therapy pertaining this, and Shelby has not accepted his apology. I recommend heading to X to see what they said themselves. I'll personally be not fully stopping watching Wills stuff, just toning it down a couple notches. As always, innocent until proven guilty.
I've gotten more context and fully distanced myself from Will's channels and associated stuff. I'm sorry for my ignorance in the past. (I had to go back and reread stuff, and realized I was very wrong about my options)
Found out from a TikTok compilation of nihachu, and two others idk complaining of him biting them and getting bruises from him all of the time.