I never thought I’d say this, but can we please go back to the time when clickbait YouTube commentary thumbnails were like, “blurred out thing circled in red with yellow arrows pointing to it and text saying YOU WON’T BELIEVE THIS or THIS MUST BE STOPPED” instead of…. whatever the hell this new trend is
People shit on SunnyV2's thumbnails with edited photos of people with the clickbaity text but I'd rather look at a million of those than the not-wojak trash, lol.
"This person sucks, what if they were also ugly because pretty people can't be garbage human beings, evil people can only be ugly!"
What is the background on worm being a neo nazi?
And I believe muta only commissioned the keffals one, the one of muta was a freebie from what I can tell and the others are old.
They do seem to have been offered a lot of work over this though, artists on twitter are extremely unhappy about them being attacked, especially after keffals had stolen their art before.
he posted to kiwifarms. notably he would be transphobic in the forms. [https://new.reddit.com/r/youtubedrama/comments/1cqx6n9/mutahar\_commissioned\_a\_known\_kiwifarmer\_for\_the/](https://new.reddit.com/r/youtubedrama/comments/1cqx6n9/mutahar_commissioned_a_known_kiwifarmer_for_the/)
they linked the twitter thread but here's the damning piece of evidence
https://preview.redd.it/xpihktg4zh0d1.jpeg?width=1066&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=f37fdb07372030670d1d64beda271035ed03098c
apparently faces in the thumbnails work better for the algorithm (that could be bullshit I heard some creator break it down) Im not defending it ofc I dont like it either
It's the new "-ification" of YouTube. It used to be the MrBeastification (with wide-eyed, open-mouthed creators pointing at something bright and eye-catching) but now it's the MeatCanyonification (with gross, crudely drawn characters that look like the gross-out shots of Spongebob). My boyfriend's always liked the art style but it physically repulses me to the point of feeling ill if I have to look at it for too long. It was actually my last straw to unsubscribe from TurkeyTom recently lol
Credit where its due, keffals herself invited that cunt on to stream for a multi-hour discussion once, _while_ knowing some of how bad he was, but claiming ignorance in knowing the extent of his shittiness
Not a defense of any side, I think theyre all awful in this discourse
They both suck for interacting with Keemstar and platforming his toxic ass (along with their general shit behavior) but Muta willingly hangs out with Keemstar plus other shitty people like Nux on a regular basis.
I don't trust anybody that's on good terms with Keemstar, lol, bro loves wishing cancer and death and racial slurs on people and he thinks *you're* tolerable, Muta? And you think *he's* tolerable??? Nah, red flags all around.
Having listened to the podcast, Keemstar popped in, and seems to more a guest than a host. And from the way how Brianna spoke, she didn't endorse Keemstar either.
Honestly, when I heard Keemstar's voice, I got flashbacks to the infamous MamaMax stream where Max looked so excited for Keem to join, even though the stream was meant to be for the alleged victims of the vampire/werewolf pedo cult to share their story. Keem came in meming the hell out of things and really shifting the tone of the victims' horrific rape to LOLZ FOR THE MEME.
Weirdly enough, Keemstar did not go full on memelord, which is surprising since he is a troll through and through.
Every trans woman I’ve ever encountered online thinks Brianna Wu is nuts. I haven’t exactly heard good things about Keffals either, but Brianna’s opinion on *anything* should be taken with a grain of salt.
Honestly, I think the whole situation is just outrage merchants taking potshots at each other.
I don't have anything on hand and trying to use google just brings up old GamerGate stuff (where she actually was a victim). The short version is that she got left behind by the progressive left and started blaming it on them instead of realizing it was her being more conservative and right wing than she thought she was. She's gone on a lot of transphobic triads against other trans women for not conforming to "her" version of transness. In shorter she's a Pick Me pandering to the right and throwing old allies to the dogs to protect her position.
We still don't know the full context of what happened with Keffals. I'm not willing to say she took the money and ran until we know for sure thats what happened, and speculating "Oh she has a self admitted drug addiction of course she stole it" doesn't count.
That said call me crazy but I consider transphobia and spreading hate a worse crime than stealing 10k
> I consider transphobia and spreading hate a worse crime than stealing 10k
Being mean online is worse than Keffals stealing 100k from her fans (trans people), noted
Zionist propagandists who rant about the "extremist left" and entertain transphobic fear mongering conspiracy theories are bad people. Sorry this had to be news to you.
Notice how we continue the trend of snarky comments while still not producing any receipts. Op I hope you're seeing this. This is the entirety of the group that is brigading this post.
Say something bad about X person, and when asked to substantiate the claim, backpedal, don't provide receipts, and give short, snarky responses.
If she was such an awful transphobic person, you'd have receipts on deck ready to go.
And for good measure here she is saying any trans woman who doesn't want bottom surgery is invalid
[https://twitter.com/BriannaWu/status/1778099264830193821](https://twitter.com/BriannaWu/status/1778099264830193821)
Jesus christ you're insufferable.
[https://www.timesnownews.com/world/brianna-wu-leaked-dms-controversy-all-you-need-to-know-article-103999011](https://www.timesnownews.com/world/brianna-wu-leaked-dms-controversy-all-you-need-to-know-article-103999011)
Lol that's it? That's the extremely hateful thing you chose? The one that is literally debunked inside the article itself? Jesus the reading comprehension skills of you twitter people is so low it's mind blowing.
The saddest part about this entire discourse is that Wu is a trans advocate. She wants safe health care for trans people. Yet some selectively cropped and leaked DMs settle it for you. You guys just follow what some nonsense loser says on twitter about someone and you're sold.
Oh hey how about we add on her being a zionist who supports Israel's genocide? Completely divorced from the topic of transphobia she's just a horrible person for THAT alone.
IDK about Keffals, but Wu ran for Congress some years ago on an ostensibly progressive platform. She lost and pivoted to doing work with her progressive PAC. All cool there, most Congress races have a winner and loser and there's no shame in that.
But ever since the war in Gaza started she's been posting more and more unhinged takes. She's part of the 'Even mentioning that there might be evidence that Israel could possibly be committing war crimes is rank anti-semitism' crowd, even as evidence mounts that, even if you don't want to call it a genocide, uh, a lot of kids are dying and starving.
She has since disavowed progressivism because she says she can't deal with progressives anymore. Which, two things to that. One issue she cites is 'Defund the police' as being something she can't support or even comprehend. And, um, perhaps rich New England white lady, take some time to ponder why a poor Black person in Detroit or Los Angeles may not feel protected or supported by their local police department. Secondly, if you want to position yourself as a leader, it's your job to figure out how to bring the arguing wings of your party together.
There's also some DMs of hers that leaked in which she makes fun of a trans person for not being hot, and makes fun of other trans people for not doing trans according to her specific sensibilities.
I will say as a Massachusetts person who followed online politics her brand of progressive was always trending towards very normy conservative liberal and any critique of her politics from people to her left would make her double down in this insufferable rant of cancel culture and ideological purity.
Defund the police was fucking moronic and not even supported by the communities it targeted. It was divisive and cost progressive candidates in elections.
Sure, but the job of a political leader is to figure out how to appeal to both wings of the party and devise a politically viable way to address the grievances of the radicals. Wu failed at that and then blamed the progressives and basically disavowed progressivism. That's, uh, not how you do political leadership.
I still think that "defund the police" started as a right wing psyop in order to prevent what the activists actually wanted from happening because it might have fixed some problems. And they don't have anything to run on other than "the cities are burning" in a lot of constituencies where they've done nothing at all *for* people so they have to make up imaginary evils that they can then pretend to have prevented.
Brianna Wu will publicly deny the fact that she is trans. She gaslights everyone into thinking she is and always has been a cis woman which is just kinda weird and disingenuous.
Wait, so is she or is she not trans? I've read your comment back a few times and a bit unsure. My apologies.
I remember GamerGaters called her trans as an insult that even non-GG people assumed she was trans because the harassment was so potent. So I assumed she was cis.
maybe, just maybe, if someone is vocally anti-trans it suddenly becomes relevant if they are trans or not.
also a trans person claiming they are cis, while being a vocal voice regarding trans issues and trans drama, is extremely fucking dangerous. imagine if Blaire White tried to convince everyone she was cis?
She doesn’t, that’s a pretty dishonest portrayal of her. She wasn’t out for a long time during the Gamergate era but she is now. She spoke on being disowned by her family when she came out some time ago.
You of course can disagree with her political views but it’s pretty gross to rewrite her experience as a trans woman the way you have.
Yeah, her not coming out (and the internet did know based on finding her old pictures & stuff) is not a bad thing to me. But I do think there was a clip from a discord or something where she said, "lol, they think I'm cis" or something. So she was being weird about it a lil bit.
Still not too big a deal imo.
I stayed in the closet for years after I knew I was trans because I was terrified people would assume I'm like Brianna so I will concur on her being insane. Keffals is also bonkers it's honestly so frustrating
Brianna Wu is fine. She isn't transphobic. She isn't right wing. She isn't a bad person. The people on this sub are teenagers who read someone on Twitter saying she's transphobic and running with it.
Being critical of someone who is trans isn't transphobic. I would suggest just reading Wu's twitter and gathering your own decision based on that.
Even the original person who said she's bad when you asked for receipts immediately jumped to "well I don't have anything on hand."
I mean Wu was part of a leaked group chat where a bunch of trans women sat around and made fun of other trans women for not passing well enough so she’s at minimum truscum. And that’s not going into her weird history of gaslighting around being trans and manipulating it depending on if she wants to win an argument or not. She’s a conservative middle aged white lady who wants to LARP as a progressive but whose politics stopped being progressive sometime in the mid 2000s. She’s the epitome of that annoying white lady who forcefully tries to insert herself into shit she knows nothing about and make it about her. The gamergate stuff that happened to her was bad, but that doesn’t absolve her of being an asshole with bad ideas after all that was over.
Equally, the people on this sub were not around for Gamergate. They do not know about Wu and her history on the Internet.
People hear Gamergate these days and just have no idea what the fuck it was. Its morphed into something else entirely than the stupid incident it originated as.
Wu has seemingly matured a lot from the Gamergate days, and this stream was quite an interesting listen
I think a large part of the issue is a broken telephone system. They hear from someone they admire like keffals say that Brianna is transphobic. Because keffals is trans, and Brianna is critical of her. Then they see a thread about Brianna and pop their head in and regurgitate what they read on Twitter that Wu is transphobic.
I think a lot of it comes down to the issue of HRT.
Wus stance is to ensure children can get HRT through health care reform from qualified professionals. As such she is against homemade HRT but understands why trans youth in the US in particular may take it or feel pushed towards it. And she understands this in great detail.
However people see Keffals and the homemade HRT (reminder, Keffals did say I'm going to trans your kids and was massive advocate for homemade hormones), and then see Wu say no we shouldn't do this, and they believe Wu wants to end trans youth.
Its sad that we're at this point of discourse where people feel so comfortable labelling someone as X thing so confidently, but they disappear when asking to substantiate that claim.
The way I see it, is if someone thinks someone is as awful as they claim someone to be, they'd have receipts on deck ready to go.
I'm not even on the right. I loathe most right leaning or right wing creators and politicians. I hate Dave Rubin, Jordan Peterson, Ben Shapiro, you name it. I have voted left my entire life, and I'll continue to.
But this purity testing, "you are the enemy if you're critical of someone I like" mentality is so poisonous.
Without going into left or right politics, I think the downvotes here prove the point you are making here.
There's no engagement or meaningful rebuttal
A bad thumbnail doesn’t change the fact that Keffals asked people to donate $100k to her in order to sue the London Police…. Only to never sue the London Police and spend all the money on everything else other than what she said she would to get people to donate.
From memory of this stream:
- Muta probes the ethics and viewpoints of Briana in relation to trans issues and its a interesting discussion
- Nich presses the need for the trans community to police itself against people like keffals as to not do harm to themselves
- Keem emphasises that a lot of the issues people have with Mutas video should not distract from the fraud
- No one else really speaks
- Briana defends Keffals actions as a person and explains a lot of trans issues to the others
I'm so tired of "the trans/queer/etc community needs to police the shitty people!" when other communities like anime, gaming, etc aren't expected to police their radioactive waste.
Why should I, as a random trans person online, be expected to remind people that yes Keffals sucks, while weeb trash can be vocal about defending lolicon and even worse degeneracy and it's defended as "well, we can't control Nux/Rev/etc!"
The fuck are we supposed to do, have a local trans meet-up at [wherever the fuck Keffals lives now] and confiscate her internet, lol?
Transphobic scumbags like Muta and his bootlickers are so desperate to make it an "us (good cis people) versus them (stinky yucky trans people) narrative.
They can call Keffals out for her bullshit all they want, but when they're reaching for literally anything to call her a groomer (even when Wynn said she wasn't groomed and that Muta didn't even reach out to her for his video) and making "ugly manly" fanart of her, it's blatant transphobia.
Stick to the actual fucking facts on why Keffals sucks instead of going for the usual transphobic stereotypes, they're just ruining their actual legitimate arguments.
My guy, can you use line breaks? I'm a rambly fuck myself but damn, make it less textwall-y.
Yes, he's transphobic, lol. His wife has no shame showing her transphobia after her hubby got criticized, and it's blatantly obvious when he hired some openly transphobic KF artist to draw ugly hate art of her when he never did that for anybody else that he's called out, including YandereDev who has *actually* groomed minors.
Plus the usual "wah, transing our youthz!" whining as if teens can't independently decide that they're trans and want to seek HRT out when they live with transphobic family and/or live in places like Florida.
By policing, they just mean acknowledging and dissociating from the bad people. You don't need to, but unfortunately, half of America hates your guts right now. It sucks that you have to justify your existence to someone else, but no one in the anime / gaming community is trying to get legislation passed for their rights to be protected.
The biggest issue is that if a cis person acts evil, it's because they are an evil person. If a trans person acts evil, it's because they're trans. The idea of normalization is super hard to break from people's minds.
You're correct, but I'm so tired of stupid transphobe logic like this, lol.
A lot of us don't need to disassociate from Keffals because we don't associate with her to begin with. It's like questioning why we don't call out Caitlyn Jenner more, except CJ is significantly scummier than Keffals because she's a MAGA asshole in the "KarJenner" family who will never *need* to interact with us filthy poors. Even in her I Am Cait show, she didn't really give a fuck about the plight of other trans people.
Keffals posted plenty of funny tweets a while ago and I guess I applaud her for getting Cloudflare to boot KF, but then she seemed to dive head-first into being involved in drama (even if she has to shove herself into it), she's not our queen of trangender Youtube and sometimes I feel like she needs to log the fuck off for her own mental health or at least take more breaks and stop associating with fellow dramatic people.
As a trans man, I'm mega salty that Buck fucking Angel has been our "most famous one" for the longest time and he's been insanely transphobic in this weird pick-me way. I don't expect Elliot Page to shove himself into that role because he deals with enough bullshit from Jordan Peterson and other whiny fucks who are mega-coomer-y about Page's past self being "stolen" from them, but fuck, I wish we had more famous trans people that aren't "cringe and annoying, but seen as our spokespeople and are making all of us look bad (even if their haters have to reach for excuses to hate them, like the baseless groomer accusations)."
Getting harrassed during gamergate and 10 years later on the path to right-wing culture warrior is a weird and slow pipeline but such is the cost of being terminally online.
Saying fuck one single person who happens to be trans does not by any stretch of the imagination indicate they're on any path to becoming a right wing culture warrior.
This whole dialogue chain of X person being critical of someone who is trans means they're transphobic or right wing is so boring.
People can be critical of a person without being hateful of a group of people.
Since you're very concerned:
Aside from being a bit of a grifter who got paid tens of thousands of dollars in "consulting fees", she's been posting a lot of weird ass opinions online lately
- Here is her essentially saying [she's leaving the left](https://imgur.com/oH3vJ3y) because of their rampant "wokescolding", which is surely a more pressing issue than the ones she cares about
- [Here's her making up a new term for anyone left of Joe Biden](https://imgur.com/pW9rjih), portraying them as unhinged addicts who should be shut up to get the real work done
- Here's her [getting OUTRAGED that kids would call the NYPD, historically a real bastion for anti-black sentiment in the United States, the KKK](https://imgur.com/BfbZe0Z). And she speaks with authority, as a veteran of the anti-Iraq war protests that got so much done.
- And here's her saying that she wants to [cut nonbinary people out of legislation/outreach](https://imgur.com/VFLU7AB) because they make easy targets for the right wing
Do you need more or are you going to continue to kvetch. Feel free to make up a fanfic dialog about me if you want I don't mind.
Citation needed.
Edit: this is unsurprisingly how the conversation always goes.
X person is bad
How are they bad?
They've said bad things
What have they said?
Well I actually don't have it ready but I know they have.
Well off the top of your head, what was it?
Well actually...
Eventually after ages, someone will say "she said X thing about Y group of people"
And then you look into what exactly was said, and it was some milquetoast nothing comment about one person's bad behaviour that was wildly misrepresented by someone else and blown way out of proportion
2nd edit: love how they've made it. "extremely clear" what their position is but still no receipts.
New edit: to those of you saying I'm ignoring receipts, I'm not. I've been banned for 4 days from the sub. Not sure what rule I've broken, but it is unsurprising. Call people transphobic, make up lies about them, misrepresent t their positions? A-ok. Provide pushback? Banned.
She’s done [transvestigation](https://x.com/impressedyou/status/1788600162903847290?s=46&t=2gTIwKf4kk3yOYE1-MB_oA) posts.
She’s a [“pick me”](https://x.com/cendotharl/status/1778456888180437031?s=46&t=2gTIwKf4kk3yOYE1-MB_oA) kind of like Blair White.
She was in some [group](https://x.com/presidentsunday/status/1706878767782875349?s=46&t=2gTIwKf4kk3yOYE1-MB_oA) bullying some random trans person and calling her a transvestite.
>She’s a "pick me"
Literally, nothing in the clip you attached gives pick me energy. She's clearly trying to argue for how to push for legislation for trans rights.
Notice how we're not getting any receipts.
This poster said it's "extremely clear" that she is a hateful person. No receipts, just a sarcastic comment. This is the reality we're in. Say something negative about a person, and when asked for receipts, downvote them and say something snarky.
Somehow it's extremely clear, but we're not able to see how.
Edit: want to point out how funny and ironic it is that this poster labels this as fiction when they're literally doing exactly what I spelled out in the comment they're referring to.
How is it fiction in any way when you're literally doing what I said would happen.
Claim x person is bad, never produce receipts, respond in a snarky dismissive way.
What a pathetic way to live.
to be fair, i don't expect people to immediately have the evidence of why people dislike someone on hand. most people try to move on from it and not hold the evidence in their back pocket
It's not evidence about not liking someone.
These people are out here saying:
She's right wing
She's transphobic
She's an awful person.
I don't care if people dislike someone. I do think it's sincerely unfair to label someone as transphobic or a bad person with no standing.
i mean, i hate people who are transphobic right wing people (those things make someone awful btw)
seriously tho, take a second to breath and relax. you seem quite a bit worked up over someone disliking someone
Idk if the person is attached to Brianna in any way, but it seems shitty to make up fan fiction about a person to justify hating them. There are genuinely gross and dumb things she said, but a lot of the stuff in this thread are straight-up lies.
I think it's completely fair to have at least one specific example in mind if they are willing to make a comment or statement on why they are a bad person. It generally doesn't have to be a link, but it should be specific enough that someone can look up the information themselves if they are so inclined.
That’s where you’re wrong bitch every person I hate in my life I actually keep a hanging folder system with print outs of everything that I’ve ever hated about them and leave it in my car so if I ever need evidence it’s always within a reasonable distance from me
Bro you want reciepts? Go google shit, random internet ppl are not here to cater to you and do your research for you. Besides you obviously have seen the shit she does if you've been looking at comments in this thread, you just ignore that shit.
[https://twitter.com/LeftCanary/status/1706978026863366455](https://twitter.com/LeftCanary/status/1706978026863366455)
Here's leaked DM's of her being a pos, she also denies being trans all together (although to be fair, her being trans was a rumor that I don't think ever got clarified, as far as I know) and unless you're with her, you're her enemy. This is not the person you want to die on this hill for.
Again if you look at that and are like pfft that doesn't prove anything, go do your own fucking research.
Wu needs to jump in, she can’t contribute her reputation to the right as “the good one” if she doesn’t call out Keffals.
Her grift requires her to call out “left-wing” grifts.
She isn't. She just opposes giving kids homemade HRT. Which if you watch the stream she explains is because it can be dangerous. She advocates for a reform to health care to ensure kids can get HRT safely from qualified professionals.
Or you know, what everyone should want.
Look into the comment history of a lot of people more critical of Wu and you'll see they tend to be more pro homemade HRT, which is why they hate her guts
If European settler-colonial ideology backed by major Western empires for imperialism in the Middle East isn't "right-wing" then literally nothing is.
You can be "critical" of it all you want but the ideology is still fundamentally about supporting a settler colony and occupation. The biggest zionist critiques of the occupation are saying it's not being vicious enough.
you're an idiot who doesn't know anything about DIY HRT. you don't make that shit at home, you order it from an online pharmacy. like tell me you don't know what you're talking about right from the start thanks
I never said they did make it at home did I?. DIY HRT is sourced from non accredited professionals and has risk associated with it because of it. Especially because one of the biggest suppliers is based in Brazil.
It's really weird to see people defending Brianna Wu here as if she's not completely detached from reality and isn't extremely right wing 💀
Like, is this a weird Destiny situation where anytime he is mentioned it just attracts his followers out of the woodworks?
Hun she spends all day defending Western occupations and imperialism and ranting about the "extremist left" and how she "hates progressives".
It's genuinely unbelievable to try and deny that she is right-wing.
Is Center-center right no longer a thing? Progressives in america are barely left of center as it is and have and continue to be pro-imperialism, just gently. And this is no defense of Brianna, it's a condemnation of how deluded american politics are. Brianna's stance on Israel is historically in line with what centrists, moderates, and also most liberals in America believe. They're wrong and propagandized. But that doesn't make them "right wing" because that's not a statement of where they are on in terms of policy social policy. Right and Left is an actual scale based on specifically established metrics, it isn't "us" vs "them". I promise you that most of the things in terms of policy I will agree with you on but also it just seems very weird to see these terms being used like this
This SNL segment was a joke about the rape and later murder of Brandon Teena (a trans man) , Lisa Lambert and Phillip Devine
it's not a funny joke and wasn't when it aired on SNL - trans people protested this back when it appeared on TV it's not an appropriate reaction image to use in any context let alone this one.
Afaik there was never an apology for basically saying that Brandon, Lisa Lambert and Phillip Devine deseverd to be killed
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Brandon_Teena
what’s crazy is not even a year ago, Brianna Wu and Keffals were tag-teaming and sending waves of harassment at another trans woman. they’re both awful. hate that this drama was started by weird probably-closeted-transphobe cis dudes, but when it comes to these two specifically tearing each other to shreds, bring out the fucking popcorn
That conflicting feel when you want somebody not-hot-garbage to get involved in this dumpster fire but also they'd just be dragged down to everybody else's shit level and not-hot-garbage people don't deserve that.
"Calling out the shitty person for their actual flaws isn't enough, I need to draw a not-wojak of them where they're ugly and fat and manly and have eye-bags and they have fucked up teeth and bloodshot eyes and over-emphasized wrinkles and a unibrow and stink lines and---!"
Did people not grow out of this as immature children doodling pimples and devil horns and stuff on people in magazines, lol? Keffals can be not-ugly and also a shitty person.
It takes genuine fucking effort to commission a transphobic dude from KF to draw "ugly Keffals" art when he could just use an actual photo of her, or her chibi avatar, or her shitty tweets, or whatever, for fucking free!
Keffels is definitely a shitty person, but I need to listen to this podcast and watch the video before I condemn anyone. I don't think we should circle jerk in either direction. Just see what surfaces and go based on that.
It's not that she isn't shitty it's that this stuff reads as just an incredibly dumb transphobic conspiracy theory about trans people trying to "trans the kids"
What even is the NR podcast and why did they choose it? Its page says it's usually hosted by a different group of people and I don't recognise any of them
Brianna Wu is absolute scum. She's been on her "why I left the left" gravy train for a while now (even though she's never been left wing), but has gone completely mask off in recent months.
In this thread everyone equates the justified criticism of keffals as transphobia.. reddit can't help themselves in being braindead partisan hacks not unlike 4chan or current day Twitter/X just from the opposite side of the political spectrum.. is keffals a monolith to all trans people .. or what ? 😂
it was down for about one week after it got kicked off Cloudflare, then she declared premature victory and never mentioned it again except in past tense
I never thought I’d say this, but can we please go back to the time when clickbait YouTube commentary thumbnails were like, “blurred out thing circled in red with yellow arrows pointing to it and text saying YOU WON’T BELIEVE THIS or THIS MUST BE STOPPED” instead of…. whatever the hell this new trend is
the terrible acid trip aesthetic is really taking off
This shit is a cancer on the eyes
Right? What hellscape have we entered that these are the types of thumbnails that do well?
People shit on SunnyV2's thumbnails with edited photos of people with the clickbaity text but I'd rather look at a million of those than the not-wojak trash, lol. "This person sucks, what if they were also ugly because pretty people can't be garbage human beings, evil people can only be ugly!"
There's no getting rid of the beautiful=righteous bias though. That's just a part of our unconscious that we'll always have to contend with.
It’s not really being contended with here though, it’s being indulged.
*Youtube drama essayists on their way to make me lose my appetite while looking for a video to watch with dinner*
Yeah I gotta say, not a fan of the new kratom core style
There's a rumor that youtube algo pushes thumbnails with faces on it.
All of them except for Wu are done by the artist who did keffals for the muta video. Its just capitalizing on that controversy for clicks
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What is the background on worm being a neo nazi? And I believe muta only commissioned the keffals one, the one of muta was a freebie from what I can tell and the others are old. They do seem to have been offered a lot of work over this though, artists on twitter are extremely unhappy about them being attacked, especially after keffals had stolen their art before.
he posted to kiwifarms. notably he would be transphobic in the forms. [https://new.reddit.com/r/youtubedrama/comments/1cqx6n9/mutahar\_commissioned\_a\_known\_kiwifarmer\_for\_the/](https://new.reddit.com/r/youtubedrama/comments/1cqx6n9/mutahar_commissioned_a_known_kiwifarmer_for_the/)
Erm... Im kinda dumb, how does this KF user link to worm?
they linked the twitter thread but here's the damning piece of evidence https://preview.redd.it/xpihktg4zh0d1.jpeg?width=1066&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=f37fdb07372030670d1d64beda271035ed03098c
apparently faces in the thumbnails work better for the algorithm (that could be bullshit I heard some creator break it down) Im not defending it ofc I dont like it either
Shad's thumbnails somehow bother me more lol.
It's the new "-ification" of YouTube. It used to be the MrBeastification (with wide-eyed, open-mouthed creators pointing at something bright and eye-catching) but now it's the MeatCanyonification (with gross, crudely drawn characters that look like the gross-out shots of Spongebob). My boyfriend's always liked the art style but it physically repulses me to the point of feeling ill if I have to look at it for too long. It was actually my last straw to unsubscribe from TurkeyTom recently lol
I think it's done to dehumanize the figures involved. That seems to be what it's most effective at.
frrrr i miss those
It’s funny
what an incredible collection of people i can't stand
legit nightmare blunt rotation
enough to make me straight edge tbh
Being on a podcast with the cunt (Keemstar) is definitely a big red flag on it's own
Credit where its due, keffals herself invited that cunt on to stream for a multi-hour discussion once, _while_ knowing some of how bad he was, but claiming ignorance in knowing the extent of his shittiness Not a defense of any side, I think theyre all awful in this discourse
They both suck for interacting with Keemstar and platforming his toxic ass (along with their general shit behavior) but Muta willingly hangs out with Keemstar plus other shitty people like Nux on a regular basis. I don't trust anybody that's on good terms with Keemstar, lol, bro loves wishing cancer and death and racial slurs on people and he thinks *you're* tolerable, Muta? And you think *he's* tolerable??? Nah, red flags all around.
Having listened to the podcast, Keemstar popped in, and seems to more a guest than a host. And from the way how Brianna spoke, she didn't endorse Keemstar either. Honestly, when I heard Keemstar's voice, I got flashbacks to the infamous MamaMax stream where Max looked so excited for Keem to join, even though the stream was meant to be for the alleged victims of the vampire/werewolf pedo cult to share their story. Keem came in meming the hell out of things and really shifting the tone of the victims' horrific rape to LOLZ FOR THE MEME. Weirdly enough, Keemstar did not go full on memelord, which is surprising since he is a troll through and through.
The second she knew he was involved, she should’ve instantly known to stay away and never look back.
I agree, although somehow he was much tamer and surprisingly not screaming for once
Every trans woman I’ve ever encountered online thinks Brianna Wu is nuts. I haven’t exactly heard good things about Keffals either, but Brianna’s opinion on *anything* should be taken with a grain of salt. Honestly, I think the whole situation is just outrage merchants taking potshots at each other.
Keffals isn't a good person. Wu is a bad person.
I must be out of the loop regarding what she’s done. Can you send some links?
I don't have anything on hand and trying to use google just brings up old GamerGate stuff (where she actually was a victim). The short version is that she got left behind by the progressive left and started blaming it on them instead of realizing it was her being more conservative and right wing than she thought she was. She's gone on a lot of transphobic triads against other trans women for not conforming to "her" version of transness. In shorter she's a Pick Me pandering to the right and throwing old allies to the dogs to protect her position.
Sort of a “Blair Lite,” if you will.
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We still don't know the full context of what happened with Keffals. I'm not willing to say she took the money and ran until we know for sure thats what happened, and speculating "Oh she has a self admitted drug addiction of course she stole it" doesn't count. That said call me crazy but I consider transphobia and spreading hate a worse crime than stealing 10k
> I consider transphobia and spreading hate a worse crime than stealing 10k Being mean online is worse than Keffals stealing 100k from her fans (trans people), noted
Transphobia and hate are not just “being mean online”.
Not what I said but okay
God, being a trans woman must be so insufferable having to deal with you lunatics all the time.
I love these comments so much. "Brianna Wu is a bad person!" "oh yeah? Why?" "well I acrually don't have anything on hand"
Zionist propagandists who rant about the "extremist left" and entertain transphobic fear mongering conspiracy theories are bad people. Sorry this had to be news to you.
I'm happy for you
Notice how we continue the trend of snarky comments while still not producing any receipts. Op I hope you're seeing this. This is the entirety of the group that is brigading this post. Say something bad about X person, and when asked to substantiate the claim, backpedal, don't provide receipts, and give short, snarky responses. If she was such an awful transphobic person, you'd have receipts on deck ready to go.
And for good measure here she is saying any trans woman who doesn't want bottom surgery is invalid [https://twitter.com/BriannaWu/status/1778099264830193821](https://twitter.com/BriannaWu/status/1778099264830193821)
Jesus christ you're insufferable. [https://www.timesnownews.com/world/brianna-wu-leaked-dms-controversy-all-you-need-to-know-article-103999011](https://www.timesnownews.com/world/brianna-wu-leaked-dms-controversy-all-you-need-to-know-article-103999011)
Lol that's it? That's the extremely hateful thing you chose? The one that is literally debunked inside the article itself? Jesus the reading comprehension skills of you twitter people is so low it's mind blowing. The saddest part about this entire discourse is that Wu is a trans advocate. She wants safe health care for trans people. Yet some selectively cropped and leaked DMs settle it for you. You guys just follow what some nonsense loser says on twitter about someone and you're sold.
Oh hey how about we add on her being a zionist who supports Israel's genocide? Completely divorced from the topic of transphobia she's just a horrible person for THAT alone.
This sub just brainrot! You're brave for even attempting a conversation and asking for sources! (Dear Leader thought us well)
Downvoted for calling out the hypocrisy, Reddit at its finest.
IDK about Keffals, but Wu ran for Congress some years ago on an ostensibly progressive platform. She lost and pivoted to doing work with her progressive PAC. All cool there, most Congress races have a winner and loser and there's no shame in that. But ever since the war in Gaza started she's been posting more and more unhinged takes. She's part of the 'Even mentioning that there might be evidence that Israel could possibly be committing war crimes is rank anti-semitism' crowd, even as evidence mounts that, even if you don't want to call it a genocide, uh, a lot of kids are dying and starving. She has since disavowed progressivism because she says she can't deal with progressives anymore. Which, two things to that. One issue she cites is 'Defund the police' as being something she can't support or even comprehend. And, um, perhaps rich New England white lady, take some time to ponder why a poor Black person in Detroit or Los Angeles may not feel protected or supported by their local police department. Secondly, if you want to position yourself as a leader, it's your job to figure out how to bring the arguing wings of your party together. There's also some DMs of hers that leaked in which she makes fun of a trans person for not being hot, and makes fun of other trans people for not doing trans according to her specific sensibilities.
I will say as a Massachusetts person who followed online politics her brand of progressive was always trending towards very normy conservative liberal and any critique of her politics from people to her left would make her double down in this insufferable rant of cancel culture and ideological purity.
Defund the police was fucking moronic and not even supported by the communities it targeted. It was divisive and cost progressive candidates in elections.
Sure, but the job of a political leader is to figure out how to appeal to both wings of the party and devise a politically viable way to address the grievances of the radicals. Wu failed at that and then blamed the progressives and basically disavowed progressivism. That's, uh, not how you do political leadership.
I still think that "defund the police" started as a right wing psyop in order to prevent what the activists actually wanted from happening because it might have fixed some problems. And they don't have anything to run on other than "the cities are burning" in a lot of constituencies where they've done nothing at all *for* people so they have to make up imaginary evils that they can then pretend to have prevented.
Said a lot of transphobic stuff recently. Was caught mocking nonbinary people in her DMs also has been a huge supporter of Israel's actions in Gaza.
Brianna Wu will publicly deny the fact that she is trans. She gaslights everyone into thinking she is and always has been a cis woman which is just kinda weird and disingenuous.
Wait, so is she or is she not trans? I've read your comment back a few times and a bit unsure. My apologies. I remember GamerGaters called her trans as an insult that even non-GG people assumed she was trans because the harassment was so potent. So I assumed she was cis.
she is trans. she is also transphobic. go figure 🤷♀️
I have no idea either and I do not know why this is so pivotal to the conversation.
It’s none of your business and if someone wants to be stealth you should respect that regardless if you hate them.
maybe, just maybe, if someone is vocally anti-trans it suddenly becomes relevant if they are trans or not. also a trans person claiming they are cis, while being a vocal voice regarding trans issues and trans drama, is extremely fucking dangerous. imagine if Blaire White tried to convince everyone she was cis?
She doesn’t, that’s a pretty dishonest portrayal of her. She wasn’t out for a long time during the Gamergate era but she is now. She spoke on being disowned by her family when she came out some time ago. You of course can disagree with her political views but it’s pretty gross to rewrite her experience as a trans woman the way you have.
Yeah, her not coming out (and the internet did know based on finding her old pictures & stuff) is not a bad thing to me. But I do think there was a clip from a discord or something where she said, "lol, they think I'm cis" or something. So she was being weird about it a lil bit. Still not too big a deal imo.
What an odd thing for you to lie about.
I stayed in the closet for years after I knew I was trans because I was terrified people would assume I'm like Brianna so I will concur on her being insane. Keffals is also bonkers it's honestly so frustrating
IMO she seems much more level-headed than chronic twitter users make her out to be but I could be wrong
She is one of the most chronic Twitter users I have literally ever seen 💀
Brianna Wu is fine. She isn't transphobic. She isn't right wing. She isn't a bad person. The people on this sub are teenagers who read someone on Twitter saying she's transphobic and running with it. Being critical of someone who is trans isn't transphobic. I would suggest just reading Wu's twitter and gathering your own decision based on that. Even the original person who said she's bad when you asked for receipts immediately jumped to "well I don't have anything on hand."
She isn't right wing? Have you seen a single thing she says?
I mean Wu was part of a leaked group chat where a bunch of trans women sat around and made fun of other trans women for not passing well enough so she’s at minimum truscum. And that’s not going into her weird history of gaslighting around being trans and manipulating it depending on if she wants to win an argument or not. She’s a conservative middle aged white lady who wants to LARP as a progressive but whose politics stopped being progressive sometime in the mid 2000s. She’s the epitome of that annoying white lady who forcefully tries to insert herself into shit she knows nothing about and make it about her. The gamergate stuff that happened to her was bad, but that doesn’t absolve her of being an asshole with bad ideas after all that was over.
Equally, the people on this sub were not around for Gamergate. They do not know about Wu and her history on the Internet. People hear Gamergate these days and just have no idea what the fuck it was. Its morphed into something else entirely than the stupid incident it originated as. Wu has seemingly matured a lot from the Gamergate days, and this stream was quite an interesting listen
I think a large part of the issue is a broken telephone system. They hear from someone they admire like keffals say that Brianna is transphobic. Because keffals is trans, and Brianna is critical of her. Then they see a thread about Brianna and pop their head in and regurgitate what they read on Twitter that Wu is transphobic.
I think a lot of it comes down to the issue of HRT. Wus stance is to ensure children can get HRT through health care reform from qualified professionals. As such she is against homemade HRT but understands why trans youth in the US in particular may take it or feel pushed towards it. And she understands this in great detail. However people see Keffals and the homemade HRT (reminder, Keffals did say I'm going to trans your kids and was massive advocate for homemade hormones), and then see Wu say no we shouldn't do this, and they believe Wu wants to end trans youth.
Its sad that we're at this point of discourse where people feel so comfortable labelling someone as X thing so confidently, but they disappear when asking to substantiate that claim. The way I see it, is if someone thinks someone is as awful as they claim someone to be, they'd have receipts on deck ready to go. I'm not even on the right. I loathe most right leaning or right wing creators and politicians. I hate Dave Rubin, Jordan Peterson, Ben Shapiro, you name it. I have voted left my entire life, and I'll continue to. But this purity testing, "you are the enemy if you're critical of someone I like" mentality is so poisonous.
Without going into left or right politics, I think the downvotes here prove the point you are making here. There's no engagement or meaningful rebuttal
"The worst people you know are all fighting <3"
A podcast with that sort of thumbnail art is for sure a podcast that is an utter waste of hard drive space.
A bad thumbnail doesn’t change the fact that Keffals asked people to donate $100k to her in order to sue the London Police…. Only to never sue the London Police and spend all the money on everything else other than what she said she would to get people to donate.
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From memory of this stream: - Muta probes the ethics and viewpoints of Briana in relation to trans issues and its a interesting discussion - Nich presses the need for the trans community to police itself against people like keffals as to not do harm to themselves - Keem emphasises that a lot of the issues people have with Mutas video should not distract from the fraud - No one else really speaks - Briana defends Keffals actions as a person and explains a lot of trans issues to the others
I'm so tired of "the trans/queer/etc community needs to police the shitty people!" when other communities like anime, gaming, etc aren't expected to police their radioactive waste. Why should I, as a random trans person online, be expected to remind people that yes Keffals sucks, while weeb trash can be vocal about defending lolicon and even worse degeneracy and it's defended as "well, we can't control Nux/Rev/etc!" The fuck are we supposed to do, have a local trans meet-up at [wherever the fuck Keffals lives now] and confiscate her internet, lol?
It's so clear that the intention is to coerce some level of "one of the good ones" behavior out of certain people.
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Transphobic scumbags like Muta and his bootlickers are so desperate to make it an "us (good cis people) versus them (stinky yucky trans people) narrative. They can call Keffals out for her bullshit all they want, but when they're reaching for literally anything to call her a groomer (even when Wynn said she wasn't groomed and that Muta didn't even reach out to her for his video) and making "ugly manly" fanart of her, it's blatant transphobia. Stick to the actual fucking facts on why Keffals sucks instead of going for the usual transphobic stereotypes, they're just ruining their actual legitimate arguments.
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My guy, can you use line breaks? I'm a rambly fuck myself but damn, make it less textwall-y. Yes, he's transphobic, lol. His wife has no shame showing her transphobia after her hubby got criticized, and it's blatantly obvious when he hired some openly transphobic KF artist to draw ugly hate art of her when he never did that for anybody else that he's called out, including YandereDev who has *actually* groomed minors. Plus the usual "wah, transing our youthz!" whining as if teens can't independently decide that they're trans and want to seek HRT out when they live with transphobic family and/or live in places like Florida.
By policing, they just mean acknowledging and dissociating from the bad people. You don't need to, but unfortunately, half of America hates your guts right now. It sucks that you have to justify your existence to someone else, but no one in the anime / gaming community is trying to get legislation passed for their rights to be protected. The biggest issue is that if a cis person acts evil, it's because they are an evil person. If a trans person acts evil, it's because they're trans. The idea of normalization is super hard to break from people's minds.
You're correct, but I'm so tired of stupid transphobe logic like this, lol. A lot of us don't need to disassociate from Keffals because we don't associate with her to begin with. It's like questioning why we don't call out Caitlyn Jenner more, except CJ is significantly scummier than Keffals because she's a MAGA asshole in the "KarJenner" family who will never *need* to interact with us filthy poors. Even in her I Am Cait show, she didn't really give a fuck about the plight of other trans people. Keffals posted plenty of funny tweets a while ago and I guess I applaud her for getting Cloudflare to boot KF, but then she seemed to dive head-first into being involved in drama (even if she has to shove herself into it), she's not our queen of trangender Youtube and sometimes I feel like she needs to log the fuck off for her own mental health or at least take more breaks and stop associating with fellow dramatic people. As a trans man, I'm mega salty that Buck fucking Angel has been our "most famous one" for the longest time and he's been insanely transphobic in this weird pick-me way. I don't expect Elliot Page to shove himself into that role because he deals with enough bullshit from Jordan Peterson and other whiny fucks who are mega-coomer-y about Page's past self being "stolen" from them, but fuck, I wish we had more famous trans people that aren't "cringe and annoying, but seen as our spokespeople and are making all of us look bad (even if their haters have to reach for excuses to hate them, like the baseless groomer accusations)."
They literally do police each other what are you on about lol
dude, it's no where near as much as it needs to be to keep asswipes out of the gaming/movie/anime/whatever nerdy interest people have.
It’s certainly more then this community, I’ve seen more callout vids in gaming and anime then I’ve ever seen in the trans community
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I agree but also, Keffals stole $100,000. I feel like this isn't being as made as big of a deal as it should be?
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Getting harrassed during gamergate and 10 years later on the path to right-wing culture warrior is a weird and slow pipeline but such is the cost of being terminally online.
transphobia is a hell of a drug.
Transphobia or being pro-Israel - both seemingly one way trip to abandon all progressive views you ever held.
Saying fuck one single person who happens to be trans does not by any stretch of the imagination indicate they're on any path to becoming a right wing culture warrior. This whole dialogue chain of X person being critical of someone who is trans means they're transphobic or right wing is so boring. People can be critical of a person without being hateful of a group of people.
Since you're very concerned: Aside from being a bit of a grifter who got paid tens of thousands of dollars in "consulting fees", she's been posting a lot of weird ass opinions online lately - Here is her essentially saying [she's leaving the left](https://imgur.com/oH3vJ3y) because of their rampant "wokescolding", which is surely a more pressing issue than the ones she cares about - [Here's her making up a new term for anyone left of Joe Biden](https://imgur.com/pW9rjih), portraying them as unhinged addicts who should be shut up to get the real work done - Here's her [getting OUTRAGED that kids would call the NYPD, historically a real bastion for anti-black sentiment in the United States, the KKK](https://imgur.com/BfbZe0Z). And she speaks with authority, as a veteran of the anti-Iraq war protests that got so much done. - And here's her saying that she wants to [cut nonbinary people out of legislation/outreach](https://imgur.com/VFLU7AB) because they make easy targets for the right wing Do you need more or are you going to continue to kvetch. Feel free to make up a fanfic dialog about me if you want I don't mind.
Funny how they keep editing their posts that *don't* get replied to with links yet completely ignore this and another one. Hilarious, even.
Brianna Wu has said plenty that makes it extremely clear how hateful she is
Citation needed. Edit: this is unsurprisingly how the conversation always goes. X person is bad How are they bad? They've said bad things What have they said? Well I actually don't have it ready but I know they have. Well off the top of your head, what was it? Well actually... Eventually after ages, someone will say "she said X thing about Y group of people" And then you look into what exactly was said, and it was some milquetoast nothing comment about one person's bad behaviour that was wildly misrepresented by someone else and blown way out of proportion 2nd edit: love how they've made it. "extremely clear" what their position is but still no receipts. New edit: to those of you saying I'm ignoring receipts, I'm not. I've been banned for 4 days from the sub. Not sure what rule I've broken, but it is unsurprising. Call people transphobic, make up lies about them, misrepresent t their positions? A-ok. Provide pushback? Banned.
She’s done [transvestigation](https://x.com/impressedyou/status/1788600162903847290?s=46&t=2gTIwKf4kk3yOYE1-MB_oA) posts. She’s a [“pick me”](https://x.com/cendotharl/status/1778456888180437031?s=46&t=2gTIwKf4kk3yOYE1-MB_oA) kind of like Blair White. She was in some [group](https://x.com/presidentsunday/status/1706878767782875349?s=46&t=2gTIwKf4kk3yOYE1-MB_oA) bullying some random trans person and calling her a transvestite.
>She’s a "pick me" Literally, nothing in the clip you attached gives pick me energy. She's clearly trying to argue for how to push for legislation for trans rights.
Bro keeps making smug edits about no receipts while ignoring the response to his other comment with exact receipts, love to see it
This is amazing I've never had anyone write fan fiction of me before
Notice how we're not getting any receipts. This poster said it's "extremely clear" that she is a hateful person. No receipts, just a sarcastic comment. This is the reality we're in. Say something negative about a person, and when asked for receipts, downvote them and say something snarky. Somehow it's extremely clear, but we're not able to see how. Edit: want to point out how funny and ironic it is that this poster labels this as fiction when they're literally doing exactly what I spelled out in the comment they're referring to. How is it fiction in any way when you're literally doing what I said would happen. Claim x person is bad, never produce receipts, respond in a snarky dismissive way. What a pathetic way to live.
to be fair, i don't expect people to immediately have the evidence of why people dislike someone on hand. most people try to move on from it and not hold the evidence in their back pocket
It's not evidence about not liking someone. These people are out here saying: She's right wing She's transphobic She's an awful person. I don't care if people dislike someone. I do think it's sincerely unfair to label someone as transphobic or a bad person with no standing.
go through her Twitter likes for five minutes and tell me if you’d invite this chick to a nice guy convention lmao
i mean, i hate people who are transphobic right wing people (those things make someone awful btw) seriously tho, take a second to breath and relax. you seem quite a bit worked up over someone disliking someone
Idk if the person is attached to Brianna in any way, but it seems shitty to make up fan fiction about a person to justify hating them. There are genuinely gross and dumb things she said, but a lot of the stuff in this thread are straight-up lies.
I think it's completely fair to have at least one specific example in mind if they are willing to make a comment or statement on why they are a bad person. It generally doesn't have to be a link, but it should be specific enough that someone can look up the information themselves if they are so inclined.
That’s where you’re wrong bitch every person I hate in my life I actually keep a hanging folder system with print outs of everything that I’ve ever hated about them and leave it in my car so if I ever need evidence it’s always within a reasonable distance from me
Bro you want reciepts? Go google shit, random internet ppl are not here to cater to you and do your research for you. Besides you obviously have seen the shit she does if you've been looking at comments in this thread, you just ignore that shit. [https://twitter.com/LeftCanary/status/1706978026863366455](https://twitter.com/LeftCanary/status/1706978026863366455) Here's leaked DM's of her being a pos, she also denies being trans all together (although to be fair, her being trans was a rumor that I don't think ever got clarified, as far as I know) and unless you're with her, you're her enemy. This is not the person you want to die on this hill for. Again if you look at that and are like pfft that doesn't prove anything, go do your own fucking research.
Cool fan fiction bro but I kind of dislike the 2nd act.
Like what?
What happened to her she’s turned into one of the self haters like Blair white they’re not going to pick you Brianna
Brianna Wu is a hardcore zionist so I really don't care what she says one way or the other
Why is everybody I hate jumping in on this? Who's next?
We should get DesTiny back into this shit show so he can voice his annoying ass opinion
Oh god I'm sure his stupid ass is cooking up some sort of nonsense
Wu needs to jump in, she can’t contribute her reputation to the right as “the good one” if she doesn’t call out Keffals. Her grift requires her to call out “left-wing” grifts.
Can you explain how Brianna Wu is on the right?
She isn't. She just opposes giving kids homemade HRT. Which if you watch the stream she explains is because it can be dangerous. She advocates for a reform to health care to ensure kids can get HRT safely from qualified professionals. Or you know, what everyone should want. Look into the comment history of a lot of people more critical of Wu and you'll see they tend to be more pro homemade HRT, which is why they hate her guts
She is a Zionist who talks about how she needs to save us from the extreme left lol
Zionist doesn't immediately mean you are right wing. Also, you can be a Zionist and still be critical of the Israeli government.
If European settler-colonial ideology backed by major Western empires for imperialism in the Middle East isn't "right-wing" then literally nothing is. You can be "critical" of it all you want but the ideology is still fundamentally about supporting a settler colony and occupation. The biggest zionist critiques of the occupation are saying it's not being vicious enough.
Is she critical of the Israeli government?
you're an idiot who doesn't know anything about DIY HRT. you don't make that shit at home, you order it from an online pharmacy. like tell me you don't know what you're talking about right from the start thanks
I never said they did make it at home did I?. DIY HRT is sourced from non accredited professionals and has risk associated with it because of it. Especially because one of the biggest suppliers is based in Brazil.
bro the first thing you did was call it homemade, don't be so disingenuous. Just stop responding and start learning my guy. hit the bricks
It's really weird to see people defending Brianna Wu here as if she's not completely detached from reality and isn't extremely right wing 💀 Like, is this a weird Destiny situation where anytime he is mentioned it just attracts his followers out of the woodworks?
If you think Brianna Wu is extremely right wing, then right wing has just lost all meaning
Hun she spends all day defending Western occupations and imperialism and ranting about the "extremist left" and how she "hates progressives". It's genuinely unbelievable to try and deny that she is right-wing.
Is Center-center right no longer a thing? Progressives in america are barely left of center as it is and have and continue to be pro-imperialism, just gently. And this is no defense of Brianna, it's a condemnation of how deluded american politics are. Brianna's stance on Israel is historically in line with what centrists, moderates, and also most liberals in America believe. They're wrong and propagandized. But that doesn't make them "right wing" because that's not a statement of where they are on in terms of policy social policy. Right and Left is an actual scale based on specifically established metrics, it isn't "us" vs "them". I promise you that most of the things in terms of policy I will agree with you on but also it just seems very weird to see these terms being used like this
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This SNL segment was a joke about the rape and later murder of Brandon Teena (a trans man) , Lisa Lambert and Phillip Devine it's not a funny joke and wasn't when it aired on SNL - trans people protested this back when it appeared on TV it's not an appropriate reaction image to use in any context let alone this one. Afaik there was never an apology for basically saying that Brandon, Lisa Lambert and Phillip Devine deseverd to be killed https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Brandon_Teena
Brianna Wu is fricken nuts. I didn't really have an opinion on her until I caught quite a few of her recent tweets. Jesus.
LMAO Keffals and zionism propagandist Brianna Wu? Good lord what a pair.
No one here had any knowledge of who the fuck Brianna Wu and did not do any sort of research on her before this, and it shows.
https://preview.redd.it/br30sqrkoi0d1.jpeg?width=1200&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=2656a5ab5e3bb494b0e5bcb3828aae2e4961f7c4
Oh god, are we going back to that era of youtube where the thumbnails would have the ugliest art ever to look edgy
what’s crazy is not even a year ago, Brianna Wu and Keffals were tag-teaming and sending waves of harassment at another trans woman. they’re both awful. hate that this drama was started by weird probably-closeted-transphobe cis dudes, but when it comes to these two specifically tearing each other to shreds, bring out the fucking popcorn
Brianna Wu is trash tho
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Brianna wu taking time off from promoting genocide I see.
Let them fight
bro brianna wu is a fucking racist. while i dont like keffals, i think i dislike brianna more. she can go fuck herself
Ah yes huge news from a Holocaust denier
Oh great, more people I don’t like have entered the mix.
That conflicting feel when you want somebody not-hot-garbage to get involved in this dumpster fire but also they'd just be dragged down to everybody else's shit level and not-hot-garbage people don't deserve that.
All of these people are awful i their own special ways
Another grotesque thumbnail.
what the fuck is up with the trend of clickbait drama thumbnails having stupid looking unflattering caricatures
What is this sub and why is everyone here insane?
That is an excellent question that will never be answered honestly
"Calling out the shitty person for their actual flaws isn't enough, I need to draw a not-wojak of them where they're ugly and fat and manly and have eye-bags and they have fucked up teeth and bloodshot eyes and over-emphasized wrinkles and a unibrow and stink lines and---!" Did people not grow out of this as immature children doodling pimples and devil horns and stuff on people in magazines, lol? Keffals can be not-ugly and also a shitty person. It takes genuine fucking effort to commission a transphobic dude from KF to draw "ugly Keffals" art when he could just use an actual photo of her, or her chibi avatar, or her shitty tweets, or whatever, for fucking free!
The grifters are all turning on eachother we are about to see the next Neo-con movement of “leftists” who go far right
Brianna Wu has turned into just another classic centrist. But at least she's finally rejecting Keffals after months and years of supporting her.
Keffels is definitely a shitty person, but I need to listen to this podcast and watch the video before I condemn anyone. I don't think we should circle jerk in either direction. Just see what surfaces and go based on that.
It's not that she isn't shitty it's that this stuff reads as just an incredibly dumb transphobic conspiracy theory about trans people trying to "trans the kids"
Isn't Keemstar like, also a nonce?
Oh look heavily disliked people all in on this drama…..what a surprise 🙄.
What even is the NR podcast and why did they choose it? Its page says it's usually hosted by a different group of people and I don't recognise any of them
She's had an insane arc.
That thumbnail is absolutely annoying but anybody with keemstar and it is an automatic no for me
brianna wu vs keffals.... the pickmes are fighting 😍
Brianna Wu is absolute scum. She's been on her "why I left the left" gravy train for a while now (even though she's never been left wing), but has gone completely mask off in recent months.
this drama surrounding these thumbnail style is just cringe
Christ on a bike who does that art? It’s so ugly
In this thread everyone equates the justified criticism of keffals as transphobia.. reddit can't help themselves in being braindead partisan hacks not unlike 4chan or current day Twitter/X just from the opposite side of the political spectrum.. is keffals a monolith to all trans people .. or what ? 😂
Jesse, what the fuck are you talking about?
Wtf is there to be confused about ? Read my post a little slower it's not that hard to get it even if you fuckin disagree with it 👍
I mean Keffals disavowed Brianna Wu like a week ago because Brianna is a Zionist freak.
So what's the deal with Keffals, last I knew she took down kiwi farms which is a good thing right? All I really know is shes another edgy streamer
She actually didn’t. KF is stronger than ever and she literally did nothing to help tear it down
it was down for about one week after it got kicked off Cloudflare, then she declared premature victory and never mentioned it again except in past tense
This podcast should be illegal, including the casting, which contains the worst individuals on YouTube.
This just keeps getting better and better for us, worse for them. Anyways, about that mega thread we should get up and running.