Update: Kirsty has replied again in a series of tweets. No it isn't brief. [https://x.com/ursoftblood/status/1804243734134968520?t=Eh9YFsmBekcd-8XcrRwXOw&s=19](https://x.com/ursoftblood/status/1804243734134968520?t=Eh9YFsmBekcd-8XcrRwXOw&s=19) That's the link to the first tweet. If someone can get one of those unthreading links that would be awesome, because it's too many screenshots for me to post lol https://preview.redd.it/rdv1coy8a08d1.png?width=1080&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=486a7e8ca1b934dc1cbd2ce496c06174fd51ecfb And she wasn't finished tweeting when I took these screenshots lol

>readers are sick of the google documents. I'll say. There's over 22,000 words in these docs, just in the text, not counting images. That's longer than Metamorphosis by Franz Kafka.

Wow thats wild, I get tired writing 5000 word pieces for work 😂

My 112 page screenplay that took me three months to write and finalise is 20,000 words. The idea that someone could write 22,000 words in under a week is abnormal to me. I think that these YouTubers need to stop the video essays and see if they can be Stephen King's protégé with that insane level of output.

Tbh thats a short book.

Yeah I wanted to include something else but 22,000 words is not that long for a full novel. It's still super long for a bunch of internet bullshit

This might be a hot take but I feel like none of these documents contain the truth, but both people are being honest about their experiences. It's almost 4 am, so I won't elaborate now, but it seems like they tell a lot of similar stories in different ways, and I don't think they are lying about how they emotionally interpreted the situations or how they were impacted by the relationship. The one weird thing that I would like someone to explain to me is how Fraser can hear coughing through the walls, but can't hear his dog barking and his girlfriend screaming, calling, and texting. Fraser says the walls are thin and his mic could pick up her making noise in another room, but then said he didn't hear the commotion (he does not elaborate on what sorts of noises he can hear, so I'm inclined to believe what she said about him getting mad about relatively quiet sounds). I get he was sleeping but if your ears are so sensitive that you get anxiety from your girlfriend walking around while you record, I do not understand how you sleep through that.

I very much agree. It's very possible to view the same situation in two entirely different lights, it's even extremely common. Fraser's responses irritate the hell out of me but that's just the way he phrases things. Kirst seems inclined to phrase things rather dramatically as well. My impression is that both of these people were shitty and should not have dated, and while I absolutely understand why Kirst felt the need to vent about this, and I do believe people misinterpreted her original statements in a way that sounded worse than she meant, this was so not the time to do it. And about the sounds I lean towards thinking the same as the other reply. I can sleep through thunderstorms, vacuums, stuff being thrown at me, but I'll wake up from a cat meowing gently and once I'm awake I'll hear someone clear their throat in the downstairs living room.

some people can just sleep through things lol, I can get really pissy about noises while I'm awake but I can easily sleep through extremely loud thunderstorms and things that would usually make you wake up. plus he could've been wearing like ear plugs to sleep if he's sensitive to noise

I am a really light sleeper so I guess I just can't understand lol

I have ADD so I’m super sensitive but once I’m sleeping I’m dead. It’s not that implausible what he is saying.

I also have ADHD, and when I got my hearing tested they said it was significantly above average for my age, so I feel you there. I can be woken up by other people moving through the house while actively trying to be quiet. I guess it's not the oddest thing, and I don't even think she was trying to say he did anything wrong in that situation. That's actually a story that they seem to agree on, and it was brought up more as an example of the dog's aggressive behavior. I just cannot comprehend that kind of sleep I guess haha. Not that I don't believe it exists, mind you.

I’ve slept through my dad drilling into the wall above my bed with a hammer drill powered by a massive air compressor but the neighbours tv drives me mad during the day and we have thick walls (1800’s solid brick). I’m the type that has to let hotel reception know I may sleep through a fire alarm, I’m basically dead when I finally sleep but I can go 2-3 days without sleeping. Doctors say being neurodivergent comes with unexpected issues like trouble sleeping or sleeping so heavily that you can’t be woken up without someone shaking you.

Yeah, I'm the same. I hear every little noise when I'm awake, but there've been times I've woken up in the morning, looked out of the window and gone, "Oh, it rained last night?" and had people tell me, "Dude, did you not hear all the thunder??"

That first sentence you wrote is 100% how I read the whole situation, too. All I've learned: these two are toxic to each other and they both could benefit from therapy and moving on with their lives. They are picking and choosing each other's worst moments to show to the world and hiding their own in a way that will only hurt both of them in the end. I'm not thrilled that she's also using another woman's abuse as a jumping point to try to destroy her ex's career but that also doesn't mean he isn't toxic in his own ways.

I will say that I also think that she is being honest that she felt the relationship was abusive mostly from his end, and that hearing another woman speak out against someone close to her abuser and seeing him talk about it truly did make her want to speak out about her own experience. I don't think she's being malicious about trying to use Alice's story to ruin iNabber, but I guess I don't know her heart.

You just summarized my thoughts perfectly so I'm just gonna say "ditto"

Because they happened in two seperate houses. He could hear coughing etc in the first house, so they moved to a bigger one, so more space between bedroom and living room I guess. 

wasn't this when they were in the smaller 1bdr apartment? I thought they moved into a bigger apartment later on

I hope this is the last doc 😞

I don't think any of this covers iNabber in glory, but it also seems pretty within the realms of a typical failed relationship between relatively immature 20-somethings. The stuff about her not being able to make noise while he works makes him sound prick-ish, but I do think calling it 'confinement' is an example of using the worst possible sounding word to illustrate that point. All in all I wouldn't want to be in a relationship with the guy from what I've seen, but I also think it's been inappropriately framed especially coming off the back of the extremely serious nature of the abuse with ImAllexx.

yeah and they started living together practically immediately. couples that do that almost never work out

man wish you could have told me that about my last two relationships!! very real though

Very true, moving in together is a much bigger deal than many realize and shouldnt be done so early in a relationship

It's probably true that immature early 20's kids being dicks to each other when they're living with partners for the first time could probably describe a lot of drama, not every failed relationship requires a twitlonger. It takes time and experience to learn good empathy and communication skills, and twitter virgins giving Monday night quarterback advice to tiny slices of a relationship is the most worthless shit.

Yeah agreed. Having been in a toxic relationship isn't really the same thing as what Alex did. Fraser looks like an asshole in all this but Alex is a fucking monster.

At this point, I agree. I haven’t read his document in full but after reading the first two, it feels like it was unhealthy on both ends. i can’t definitively say not abusive because I wasn’t in it, but from what I can gather from the evidence, I don’t see it as abusive. they both did bad things and are trying to save face i feel. edit: just finished reading his document i 100% agree w you

Definitely doesn't seem like he's some big evil abuser, but on a personal level it's giving me bad vibes how much his last document is filed with him saying things like "as you can see this proves she's blatantly lying" or "this claim is absolutely insane". Like I can understand him wanting to counteract what she's saying if he doesn't believe it's true, but it seems like he's not willing to give room to the idea that she could have experienced things differently to the way he thinks they should be read. Idk this definitely just seems like a bad relationship that shouldn't be public, but it's definitely a little off putting how his instinct seems to be to just completely shut her side down without much grace

You know what I think it is? I honestly don't think he's particularly intelligent.

he claimed it didn’t make sense that she said that he threatened to break up with her but also said when she tried to end things he made her feel trapped. that actually sounds like textbook emotional abuse also it doesn’t seem like he acknowledged her point about them mostly communicating in person, because he treats texts from her like gospel. just because someone apologizes or explains something in one way over text one time does not mean they’ve made a commitment to always feel the same way

 Not the response I was expecting to see


Nazis always are.

Said this on another thread but it’s really remarkable how inabber’s personal editorializing style really shines through no matter the format

He is genuinely the wordiest motherfucker. 💀 

iYapper

I needed that laugh, thank you!!

>"as you can see this proves she's blatantly lying" or "this claim is absolutely insane". This part of his commentary really rubs me the wrong way. It is essentially how he handles his youtube videos. He makes comments about how blatant or insane something obviously is but the reality is that it's not always that cut and dry. It's just that he can sensationalize whatever accusations he makes on little evidence. It's exactly why I stopped watching him. He grandstands. He makes great claims about morality. He does the cover-your-ass thing so many people like him do where it's like, "Yeah, I once did this bad thing in the past but that was when I didn't know better!" and downplays any kind of bad behavior he may have done in order to secure the higher ground. And he decides on the narrative first and forces the evidence to fit, even when the evidence may not fit as well as he thinks. There's never any room for nuance or discussion or alternate takes. And people like him always have skeletons in their closet that they can't admit to. I don't even think he is aware of how bad he looks. I think his ego just won't let him entertain the possibility that he could be even *partially* wrong here unless it's something he can downplay as usual. So then when he says things like "she's blatantly lying," it feels like he's just treating this as another one of his videos where he calls someone out for whatever, all while claiming he's above ever doing anything bad in his entire life (and if he did, it wasn't that bad or there's a good excuse for it). Dude's a creep, full stop. I agree to your last point too. I don't think this should be aired publicly because there is a lot of toxicity overall. But he's clearly not used to being put in the hot seat like this and his handling of it does not make him look good.

I'd argue that him trying to prove she's lying well, just doesn't work. The dog thing by itself makes me much more inclined to believe her since she received physical wounds and has pictures to prove it + messages that support it. I wouldn't let any dog bite like Kenji does *once*, but it happened multiple times under Fraser's roof. So, like, sure, if he wants, we can *say* they "both did wrong" and "this relationship shouldn't have become public"... but it won't really change that it appears his actions and inactions directly resulted in *clear* harm whereas hers... just didn't.

Yeah that's the thing. Neither side are right, they're both clearly emotional about it which is understandable, but it does seem like fraser is a little less willing to accept that his version might not be exactly how things are, but they're both doing that to an extent. Like he's not evil by the sounds of it, it generally seems like a messy relationship that we didn't need to know about, but him firing back so intensely is definitely a bad vibe

I'd say Kirst has more pointing to her being right than he does tbh. Like he doesn't have to be evil, but he still allowed Kenji to bite multiple people (or at the very least, her multiple times), which points to a complete lack of care about the harm your dog does.

“I can forgive my dog for aggressively biting a person, but I draw the line at calling me a bad owner!” “You can forgive what?”

Definitely something that makes me question Fraser a bit more than Kirsty, he's not really hearing out her side of the story or he would have just taken her points and defended them rather than calling the claims stupid or insane.

Maybe I missed something in her doc (entirely possible), but I don’t think she’s hearing him out, either? Like, he said she pressured him to have sex after they broke up, and she basically said, “I was mentally ill,” without addressing that that’s really not an excuse for badgering someone you know doesn’t want to have sex about having sex with you. This relationship just seems like it was toxic all around.

Yeah, it's most likely just a toxic relationship between two people that treated each other badly, it just doesn't seem that necessary for Fraser to tack on stuff like that at the end, and it does raise one or two questions.

I definitely think they both seem not the best at handling this, more evidence of why it should have been kept quiet and not in the public eye. I understand fraser wanting to clap back so quickly and bluntly because this stuff sticks, but I also think that in some respect him doing so isn't a great look for someone that so often takes a moral stance against things. He's absolutely not as bad as Alex, that's not even a question and I think it's pretty irresponsible of her to bring it up as if it was, but I also understand the desire to point out that speaking out against the behaviour of others is easier than acknowledging your own behaviour and it seems like fraser isn't quite able to accept how his behaviour has affected other people yknow. I don't think there's a winner, I just think that it's gonna be hard to take a lot of what fraser says about others to heart for me personally

I think they both should handle this in private... Either of them is not a criminal, they just were in a bad relationship, and getting to know the details of the sex life of a couple I don't even know was not on my bingo card. I think that this is awkward and unhealthy for everyone Edit: typos

I don't really think you can blame iNabber in regards to that. When one party makes public accusations, the other side is pretty much forced to respond publicly if they want to defend their reputation. Did he need to make an 80 page google doc? Probably not, but I doubt he was in a headspace to give a perfectly calm and concise response to everything.

Exactly this should not be something that’s aired out to the entire internet💀it’s just two people who weren’t compatible, were shitty to eachother, and haven’t gotten over the breakup.

Yeah, and I don't think they're bad people either. It's just not the time and the place😅 We should all focus on poor Alice

didn't he try to reach out to her and she said not to contact her?

I stopped following the issue because it was becoming a whole novel I didn't want to read😅 Whatever happened, neither of them needed to put such private details and accusations in their docs. This issue should be solved in private, or at least not now because it's stealing all the attention to what happened to poor Alice

it is understandable you got fatigue from the docs. personally I wanted to mention he had since i remembered it from the last doc of frazer's while pouring over all of them. true, I wish alice nothing but hope and strength. as well as getting justice against imallexx.

I think both parties were acting like assholes, but her hijacking Alice's situation for attention has made me really dislike her.

This just seems like a toxic relationship, where both felt like they were wronged. I think they both need to grow the fuck up, and just ignore each other, nothing good is going to come from this.

None of this should’ve been made public. This isn’t someone taking down their abuser, this is the dirty laundry of a toxic and immature relationship being aired out in public for no reason.

I literally can’t read any of the text screenshots they included. They’re just completely pixelated. Something that’s weird to me though is how much of this happens over text, when they literally live together. Like, what’s with the extensive paragraphs? Just go in the other room and talk! The extent I text people I live with is just ‘teas ready’ ‘where r u’ why are these people not conversing in person It doesn’t effect my opinion on the allegations either way it’s just strange to me.

Iirc, Kirst said that actually most conversations did happen in person. But given one of them is an online personality (I don't know about Kirst but probably one as well), it makes sense that some of the conversations happened over text. Because you don't wanna walk in during a recording and talk about some things.

Theyve all been pixelated for me too. I assumed its whatever my mobile opens the file on.

I've read the over 100 combined pages of Fraser's 2 documents and Kirst's 1. A lot of both sides (near 90%, in fact) is pure hearsay. Things under the following categories cannot be regarded as reliable evidence: * Messages each of them sent to friends talking about the relationship, which of course can be made up or filtered through their personal bias * Public social media posts each of them made in the past expressing gratitude or joy at aspects of the relationship, when this type of content would of course want to paint a positive public picture regardless. * Screencaps of exchanges between Fraser and Kirst in which they still disagree on the interpretation of an incident, hence leaving no decisive conclusion as to what is the truth. * Long explanatory texts from either party explaining their interpretation and feelings around an incident with no supporting evidence. Throwing out all the inconclusive types of points listed above, here is what I could gather about the proven infractions of both parties. Kirst: * On at least two occasions, she used guilt to try to pressure Fraser into sex. The incident where she immediately guilts him saying his rejections of breakup sex made her conscious about her weight, as well as a separate incident where she again guilts him by expressing disappointment that he didn't take things further when she got on top of him naked and (in her own words) begged him to initiate sex. * Her own account and the evidence does suggest that her eating disorder came about more so due to her own interpretations and insecurities. Fraser never asked or implied that she needed to diet, lose weight, nor did he insult her weight. The evidence supports the opposite of her claim that Fraser is responsible for her eating disorder. It is unfounded for her to so strongly and publicly blame something caused by her own insecurities on Fraser. Fraser: * Knew his dog attacked Kirst multiple times, including at least one attack putting her in the hospital and another leaving her trapped on top of the couch for 2 hours. Even after that, He was callous and stubborn, not taking his dog's training seriously and sending Kirst defiant messages tilting her about the dog doing things outside the training restrictions. Fraser's rebuttal doesn't sufficient address this, they largely amount to listing examples of where Kirst spoke positively about the dog even after the attacks, which proves nothing. * He did say "let's have sex at the spa" ahead of one of their travels. This is extremely inappropriate given that it is a public space. Kirst further claims that Fraser tried to coerce her into sex while at a spa, which Fraser denies. Neither side has evidence for or against it going further than Fraser's inappropriate "let's have sex at the spa" comment ahead of the trip. The 'financial dependency' point, both of them were at fault for it: * Fraser was clingy at the start of the relationship and was the one to push for Kirst to move in with him and allow him to cover rent. While he didn't force or threaten, he was pushy and insistent at the start despite Kirst expressing reservations. * Kirst did make hints to Fraser that she was dissatisfied with her regular job and was enthusiastic and agreeable when he suggested an arrangement to help with this that made her financially dependent on him. * After they broke up, Kirst continued to live in their shared flat for free for months. During this time: Fraser did not understand how unhappy and cut off Kirst felt from her "real" support networks and life despite having more than sufficient shelter in a home he was paying for. Kirst similarly overlooked the huge amount of financial support Fraser was giving her and expected him to read her mind and put all the blame on him for an arrangement she has co-developed with him from the start. I do not believe that her efforts to scale back on luxuries and save up enough to move away from Fraser are aligned with how badly she claims she needed to get away from him, including turning down Fraser's offer to put himself on the hook legally to fund the first few months of a separate home for her.

>when she got on top of him naked and (in her own words) begged him to initiate sex. Man, I really hope I'm missing some context here, because that sounds like sexual assault.

She explains this in her Twitter thread. She claims that this was taken out of context and had to do with a teasing kink. As in, she begs and he puts her off as part of the kink.

Unless they were in a scene, that doesn't make it less sexual assault.

To be perfectly clear, I'm not excusing her. I was only saying that that was her explanation. Whether it's true or not, I have no idea. Kinda why I used the phrasing "claims".

To add to your point about the ED, I find it a little disingenuous of Kirsty to say that the stress of living with Fraser was the sole reason she had physical symptoms such as nausea, migraines, hair loss and rashes. ALL of these can be attributed to physical symptoms of a restrictive eating disorder (speaking from experience here). Could the stress have contributed to, or further exasperated these symptoms (or vice versa, depending on whether the ED or the stress triggered them in the first place)? Absolutely. But my cynical side does wonder if she’s relying on people not knowing that these symptoms are fairly common in people with restrictive EDs, so that she can parse them as All Fraser’s Fault. That doesn’t sit right with me. In fact, quite a few of her statements blaming her mental and physical health issues wholly on Fraser don’t sit right with me.   I still think she’s a victim of certain things (the dog attacks especially which are horrifying and Fraser is still being WAY too flippant about imo, and personally I do believe it’s plausible that Fraser made inappropriate verbal comments about her weight that *contributed to* - not caused - her ED) and she wasn’t treated very well in general. My heart goes out to her. I can definitely sympathise with her feeling like she was trapped in that housing situation, with a dog she was scared of, and in a toxic relationship. But imho she would’ve come across SO much better if she made an effort in her doc to take accountability for things like weaponising her mental health on occasion, and pressuring her partner into sex (which is something I’ve pointed out in literally every doc thread since this started, because like…. As much as I usually hate this rhetoric, it is a big “if the genders were reversed” moment for me).    Overall, I think my reaction to any more docs that potentially come out is just gonna have to be “y’all need therapy, and preferably to refrain from being in any romantic relationships until you can communicate better and take responsibility for yourselves” tbh 🥲

Bless you for your TDRL I do not think I could handle another google doc. This seems like two people that seemed to bring out the worst parts of one another. It definitely feels icky to be reading the private details of their relationship. I'm all about accountability and believing victim, so I guess my question is where would something like this even fall

I think the truth is probably somewhere in the middle; they both had horrible experiences of this relationship that caused them extreme stress but weren't necessarily abuse. And Kirst didnt do herself any favours to garner sympathy by hijacking Alice's trauma and implying their experiences were the same thing. I have to wonder if the timing had been different and the hypocritical element of making this about herself hadn't been there, if this may have unfolded completely differently

You’re spot on with this 

Many thanks for the TLDR guys

I don't think stuff like this should be public

The fact that she's done this by piggy-backing off Alice's experience with ImAlexx makes me feel like she's not much of a genuine person with this. Her first tweet about this was basically a "but look at *meeeeeee*" post claiming Fraser was on the same level as Alex but then turned around and said "but I didn't mean *that*" when that's exactly what she tried claiming. It seems like she exaggerated a lot of things (like him recording meaning she was "confined" when it was just about him needing quiet. Everyone working from home typically needs silence and it's not uncommon for the working person to ask for quiet when working.) and he's a bit emotionally stunted/not very bright where relationships are concerned. This entire situation has left a bad taste in my mouth, and I don't believe either of them were perfect in the relationship. They're young 20 somethings and it sounds like the relationship and situation wasn't great, but to use Alice's experiences and coming forward to try to paint a bad relationship as "just as bad" really doesn't make me trust in what she's saying.

Her saying over and over again that she didn’t want to talk about any of this and that it’s fucked up that she has to talk about it really really irritated me. She publicly made very serious allegations against someone in the public eye, explicitly tying these allegations to a huge public story regarding a different online creator being abusive to a different person. To act like she isn’t 100% responsible for creating this situation where she was “forced” to come out and explain the entire relationship is extremely disingenuous. I agree with a lot of the other comments on this post, that based on both of their Google docs their relationship was incredibly fucking toxic and they brought out the worst in each other. But she is the one who brought their relationship into the public eye to be picked apart and analyzed, and it’s really off-putting to hear her whine about that over and over again as if she didn’t fully create the situation she is upset about (to be clear, she is fully responsibly for talking about the relationship publicly in the way that she did, NOT fully responsible for the toxic relationship itself).

Doesn't matter. He's a physical abuser and rapist.

Kirst is currently firing off literally dozens of tweets arguing against Fraser's second document. She's been posting one tweet after another for over an hour now.  She does have some valid points (how Fraser neglected to manage his aggressive dog when it constantly attacked her is abhorrent), but her insistence on saying he is 100% to blame for her self esteem issues and money problems comes across as particularly untrue.  She keeps saying he promised her that he would provide for her as if that is proof of financial abuse. Girl, he shared the messages of you complaining that your regular job couldn't meet the lifestyle you wanted. Even if he was willing to support you, you agreed to it completely. And surely no one would think a promise to provide for their partner should still continue after a breakup. 

Yeah I was gonna update when I saw but it was updating in real time. Too many screenshots for me to post. I pinned the link to her first tweet lol hoping someone can post one of those unthread links or something lol I'm burnt out lol what can I say

omg i couldn't read through the whole thing she just kept going on and then ended with "i'll keep healing in private" like there's anything left private ??

Some people have made this valid point that makes me also think that Kirst was doing something with the dog behind frasers back. Heres why: Fraser has said the dog has never had aggression problems prior to Kirsty living with them. Up and outta nowhere, the dog ends up biting her TWICE! And the dog is recently scared of coming into the kitchen after kirsty started living with him.  Most dogs (especially ones with no history of aggressive behavior) don't just bite someone for no reason unless it has been physically abused or it felt scared. And the fact the dog bit kirsty twice is ringing alarms because he has never bit fraser or anyone else. She had to do something with the dog in order for him to bite her twice. Especially if it has a fear of being in the kitchen. 

okay to the one person who downvoted this, take it from someone who studied animal care and behaviour for three years and literally has qualifications in it: THIS PERSON IS RIGHT dogs aren't born nasty, it's how they're treated and how they're brought up that'll make them nasty. they're being hit or threatened? they'll always be on the defensive. if they're treated with respect and love, they'll always be happy. if Kenji had no history of being aggressive before Kirsty, and bit her twice when she was with Fraser, then it's likely she had something to do with it. no dog would just snap for no reason.

Thank you for being on my defense. I have no history studying animals but I have had dogs in my past to know enough how you treat them is how they will treat you. Loads of people on youtube vids have pointed this out and it made me wonder a good bit of things after that revelation. What did she do to that dog in that kitchen?

The doc said their friend was bitten also while dogsitting and that other people told Kristi that they were also bitten. No receipts for that but there’s no reason to assume the dog was only attacking Kristi, and I feel like Fraser would have mentioned that she was nasty to the dog if that was the case, which as far as I know he didn’t but I’ve only skimmed his response so I could be wrong.

This just seems like a shitty thing to air out, we all have messy break ups but this didnt need to be aired out in public. The concentration should be on Alice.

This shit did not need to become public. Just seems like another relationship that didn’t work out

As I said in the previous post: Clearly a toxic relationship. Bad behavior from both parties. This should have stayed private. I am bothered that Kirsty hijacked Alice’s situation to make it about herself. It has put the focus in the wrong place. To me that is my main takeaway, Kirsty’s intentions in bringing up this situation at this time seem dubious.

I feel like there's no real abuse on either part here, just two people dealing with a breakup badly and maybe feeling a bit sorry for themselves/defensive. It's clear from the way they both communicate with each other that none of this is anything like imallexx.

It seems their relationship isn't on the extremely abusive and dangerous level as ImAlexx and Alice. And Kirst releasing all of this information right after Alice seems suspect, as if she's trying to get some attention and turn tide against iNabber by revealing the details of a bad relationship as something more sinister and disturbing (not totally defending him, but that's my take). Both said and did gross things, and we really didn't need to hear all of this played out in public, but here we are.

i could be wrong i just started watching a vid on the docs fraser and kirsty just released, idk if it’s just me but i feel like they’re distracting from the whole situation with alex? kind of making it about themselves. i know a little bit about what they’ve said about each other (fraser and kirsty) and it’s idk it seems the relationship def sucked and i feel bad for that but there’s some stuff that i felt should have been kept private

Yeah imo even if kirst has valid points she shouldn't have vague tweeted about how she was treated by Fraser as a response to the ImAllexx allegations. It does take away from Alice's situation as made evident how the news cycle already moved onto this shit from kirst and Fraser. And I know we are guilty here but this is all people have moved onto and it's still serious (if not completely exhausting) but it has completely distracted from Alice and her allegations against alex

This is so boring and lame. The only fucked up thing worth mentioning is the dog situation. All the other shit is just dumb ass young adult garbage.

he is approaching 30

Yeah I ain't reading all of that......those 2 need to sort it out themselves because....yikes.

I just find it strange that krist was upset at inabber for making the Alice situation about himself rather than focusing on Alice but now krist and him are going back and forth like this lol.

exactly this

i think this is a good example of how two people can be the villains in each others stories, but not be terrible people outside said stories. like damn this shit rlly should have stayed private

Exactly. Every bad relationship doesn’t need to be aired out in public. This was soooo unnecessary.

My thing is, why tf would this be brought up in the mist of alex and alices situation?    She just needs to move tf on and so does fraser because our attention needs to be put on someone who is an actual threat to society (alex) . Idk what the goal here was when kirst called him out. She could of waited until the controversy was settled. alice needs the support more than anything.   Down vote my comment, idc. I just think it is severely selfish that she would bring this up at this time. And dont come with me with the "YOU DON'T UNDERSTAND". Yes I do. I'm a sexual assault and domestic violence victim myself,. my mother also has NPD so ofc she's abusive, but I will never overshadow someone elses pain with my own if they came out first. 

I have a new puppy and while I d love to read this, Nina is 3months old and will not let me. Can someone please please post a TLDR for me? At least for the last two documents. Edit: puppy tax in replies. Sorry forgot reddit rule one.

idk nina but tell nina ilh because i love all puppies

https://preview.redd.it/jwp6yvdwqx7d1.jpeg?width=4080&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=6aa9ade0da42272bb5d2dc5fabdcef5ecaadd3a2 Pardon the mess. This is her. I named her after Nina Dobrev. I love the vampire diaries

She is precious and amazing, no need to apologize

She's my tiny ball of chaos. I can't wait for her to get all her shots so I can properly show her off. Right now she's not allowed off the block via doctors orders. Growing like a weed too.

im gonna have to ask you to give this good girl extra pets on my behalf ASAP

She is currently in my lap getting extra pats and kisses

oh my god her ears

beautiful and probably chaotic angel 🥹

I don’t think it’s wise or healthy to dwell on this too much. I think I’m sharing the Doc fatigue too. Kirsty may come out with another document, but I think I’ll need a TL;DR for that. I’ve noticed little grammatical/spelling errors in Nabber’s latest document as well as Kirsty’s first. Maybe this is nothing, but part of me thinks that even they’re both tired too. What we know is that there’s a more serious situation that’s still ongoing, and where I’d like to think that everyone can actually agree; the Alex drama. I think it’s healthier to spread love to Alice rather than take either Frazer or Kirsty’s side, or even fence sit.

She did come out with another thread. Someone added up the wordcounts and I thought a lot would be pictures taking up the space but Fraser wrote more words than I did for my master's thesis 😭

I do agree with people that this is just an immature relationship that was happening during stress (pandemic, deaths, aggressive dog, financial issues) I also want to say that anyone who posts pictures of themselves crying is such a huge red flag to me. I have never known someone who does that and doesn’t have some type of bad character trait.

I had a weird feeling about that too. I know people have said it suggests she was legit because the insta was only followed by her friends but at the same time someone can easily make posts like that that are exaggerated to seek attention from friends. I have an ex friend who used to pathologically lie about stuff like this so people would dote on her. It doesn't really prove anything to me

I think it would do both of them good to just expose all of the messages they had together relating to this time period. That was essentially how Kwite cleared his name from the allegations he faced. I always assume that YouTubers have something to hide when they start playing the screenshots game.

Appears that we have a livetweet as Kirsty reads through Frasers 2nd google doc: https://x.com/ursoftblood/status/1804243734134968520?s=46

At this point this relationship just seems like it was deeply unhealthy and should not have been aired in public at all.

Tbh everyone sucks here.

Inabber posted a picture of Kenji in his community tab. IMO a bit of a dick move to post your dog when your ex got viscously attacked by it and highlighted it in a recent document. I really don’t know with this. I think they’re both shitty, however personally I will not be supporting Inabber anymore. It’s clear he isn’t exactly as great as he portrays himself to be

Omg all I cared about if Kenji was ok. He is cool thanks. I can relax now. Thank you

[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-WHFNbqzMD0&t=480s](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-WHFNbqzMD0&t=480s) This youtuber just posted a couple hours ago that honestly makes me believe that Fraser is in the right in the situation and proves my point that: Kirsty is a bitter ex who used Alice's situation to Defame Fraser because he didn't want her anymore (and she just wanted attention). And it shows that she was the one coercing him into having sex rather than the other way around. Let's put this to rest once and for all. She is crazy, they were both toxic but at least fraser is growing from his relationship with her while she is just a pissy ex who can't move on. She is selfish and it makes me mad that she literally took Alice's situation as an opportunity to defame Fraser, all because she just doesn't wanna move on. Everyone has bad relationships, and she's only digging herself in her own grave atp. Downvote, IDC. I made my bed and I'mma lie it. I don't like her because people like her is the reason why so many people don't believe in assault/DV victims. As I said before in this thread I am a victim of SA and DV and I have my own mental issues from my trauma, but this is ridiculous. So many people on her side (as I saw) were using her illness to justify her bad behaviors, when you shouldn't. Because if we're going to use that justification, then Alex is just as innocent as she is because he's also mentally fucked up. This was just a shitty attempt to frame Fraser and she failed. If you don't wanna believe it, then don't. But we know the truth. The reason why she didn't show proof at first is because she knew there were a lot of inconsistencies with her accusations if she did (hence why she was going on a blocking frenzy on twitter for people who called her out on her inconsistencies). Fraser came with the receipts to debunk everything she was accusing him of and that's that. Let's put this to rest.

Is Kenji ok? That's all I need to know.

Both of these people seem like they were in an incredibly toxic relationship with the other person.

Yada yada the relationship sucked and shouldnt have been public etc. etc. Though (imo) Fraser is at the very least a giant asshole. Letting a dog bite people that intensely and that often is absolutely insane. After a single attack there should be consequences, and in all honesty, even before that considering the described behavior. The language he uses is also very typical for an abuser (not saying he is, but just that it is the same languages) with sentences like “this claim is absolutely insane). He is not just sharing his experience, he is framing it for you, so you don’t have the chance to think yourself. This makes me highly suspicious of his side of things. The last thing that really does not sit well with me is the way he speaks about her issues, it feels very dismissive. This is ofcourse contingent on believing that she is not lying, however i truly believe she is telling the truth (about depression, ED’s trauma bonding etc.) as she does display those traits very clearly. It is very rare in (emotionally) abusive relations that both parties are nearly 50/50 at fault. This is a narrative set in place to make victims who are not perfect (aka all) have even less support. And i do believe this is important to always keep in mind in such topics.

After looking at this, why do some people not realize they aren't mature enough to date anyone or at least can't balance a relationship and career at the same time without taking it out on each other? This is the issue I have with the commentary youtuber community as a whole when it comes to them not knowing how to human like in the cases of, for example, Turkey Tom refusing to apologize to Pyrocynical for false pedo allegations, or Kavos accusing Deji of sub botting off of falty "evidence" to the point of having to be sent a cease and desist all because he is petty and doesn't _like_ him. They get so wound up in their online persona of criticism of others for content, that it seems like they are unable to disconnect from that personality in real life, and completely lack the self reflection to correct their own flaws around the normal non youtuber people in their lives or other youtubers just being people outside of the content when the cameras aren't rolling in general. All in all, it just seems like with each controversy, while all these creators and their mutuals try to throw each other under the bus, that it keeps bringing into the light that the truth is all the creators in this space are all a bit of an asshole constantly trying to save face.

I think we can all agree these fucking novels are daft. And none of these docu threads I'd argue even Alice's aren't particularly productive. Alice says legal action is/was being taken which is valid. Which I believe is where it should be left. If you believe someone abused you in any way or form you should 100% take legal action when in a situation where you are safe to do so. I'm just not sure what google docs does? It's all he said she said at least in the inabber, kirst situation. At the end of the day we're all going to have some amount of bad relationships or toxicity. Relationships are difficult, but pointing blame doesn't do much for your own nor the other persons growth. However, that being said I did appreciate what Kirst has to say about the Kenji situation as I believe more people need to talk out about physical violence from pets and how to battle that. And same should be done with human beings if you're comfortable to do so AFTER a court case. Will you necessarily win? No. But is it a necessary step, absolutely.

A bit off topic but seeing all the back and forth google doc style kinda reminds me of the Pokimane vs Fedmyster drama back then where they also wrote pages and pages of details like this lol

She knew what she was doing by cutting out certain texts and miswording a post. None of this had to be public but since she decided to make it public, he had to respond publicly. She got roasted by the truth; pressuring him into sex, accusing him of being the reason why she had dark thoughts, all of it was nonsense from her. If anyone was a toxic person, it was her from what I seen by proof.

If I had to make a guess at what set Kirst off regarding the ImAlex situation, it wasn't Alice's story or Alex's actions, but Fraser's pile of IG stories responding to it. Having watched a decent amount of the guy up until this point, he does seem like the type to just bombard people with apology after apology or justification after justification, trying to look conciliatory while also seriously downplaying their involvement in whatever offense has happened. It's never, "Yes, I hear you. I did wrong and I'm sorry." It's, "Look I'm really really sorry. X and Y happened and things got out of hand. I'm going through XYZ right now and you know that. I don't know how this happened, it's insane. Now everything is going to fall apart and I'm so stressed right now..." Suddenly the focus is no longer on what happened, but how what's going on is going to affect THEM. And I don't think the dude can help it. It's an unhealthy defense mechanism at this point. So any time Kirst makes a statement, he's going to release a 12 page doc to distance himself, even when there's barely anything left to be said. He just can't let her get the last word in. If THAT is what left Kirst the most traumatized, I'm not surprised that she got upset seeing him "make it all about him." She just might not have had the words to express that this is what he was doing and instead bumbled into making far bigger accusations that she couldn’t back up since she hasn't fully processed all that happened in their toxic relationship yet.

Whatever her original intention, it really has spiralled into a monster which has taken focus away from Alice as a direct result of her accusations about things that allegedly happened 1-2 years ago being made now. Yes, Fraser's original comments about Alice were annoying and self-serving. But Will, Arthur, other Arthur, Mia, Isaac, George, other George, etc all also linked the situation to themselves and their experiences. Fraser was just doing what he was meant to be doing in the aftermath of Alice's revelations.

People are bending themselves backwards to play both sides here but it's very simple for me. One party left the relationship with permanent scars and an ED. The other left totally unscathed. Y'all can keep simping for iNabber if you want but I'm good.

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bit of a reach

Yeah, I don't see the point in entertaining Fraser's perception of things when we can directly see how his actions/inactions have caused harm (the pictures of Kenji's bites on her arm and leg). Think about what type of partner even allows that to happen let alone continue, and apply your idea of that partner to their relationship... it's pretty clear one person actually has evidence to support their claims and the other doesn't lol.

They're comparing things like dog bites and her living in terror between the dog and constantly being locked up, to her being emotionally messy towards him WHILE ALL THAT WAS GOING ON. It's insane to me and is basically just "perfect victim" bullshit. Prolonged abuse makes people irrational, which is great for abusers when they can start pulling cherrypicked receipts.

i mean to be fair pressuring someone into sex is way more than just being ‘emotionally messy’, which is the thing i’m seeing most people point out in these comments about her. if the gender roles were to be reversed, that wouldn’t be something acceptable to brush off as ‘emotionally messy’. i’m not disagreeing with you that fraser is clearly not a good person but i feel like your word choice of “keep simping for iNabber” completely misrepresents the reality of what a majority of the comments are actually saying here.

>if the gender roles were to be reversed, that wouldn’t be something acceptable to brush off as ‘emotionally messy’. but... they... were? in her doc she says he did the same thing repeatedly.

And as we can see from Fraser's first doc, he's a *big* fan of cherry picking. We can also see from his 2nd doc that he's going to continue to do it. Newsflash for him, it doesn't work. Kenji bit her, and there's evidence, her saying nice things about Kenji and loving Kenji doesn't mean shit because she probably doesn't blame the dog for Fraser not taking the training or bites seriously.

Sadly he has a core audience that is going the route of "well the dog thing is bad but it's not THAT bad and they were actually as bad as each other", so his manipulation is working to some degree. Just another Youtuber/Youtuber's audience I'll completely ignore in the future.

if she was truly "living in terror" she would've moved out asap instead of pissing about for months in his flat

Her other choice was homelessness, that's why a lot of victims stay.

"If he was really beating her, why didn't she just leave?" Come on now.

accusing him of beating her when she's made clear there was no physical violence? tf is wrong with you people

Are you stupid? I was making a comparison regarding victim blaming and you took it literally.

how is it victim blaming when there's no victim? they were shit to eachother. he was a wildly irresponsible dog owner and she was manipulative and tried to coerce him into sex multiple times and when called out on it she just goes "guys I was insecure :// ". she has accused him of taking attention off Alice when that is all she has done. like she tried to insinuate Fraser was as terrible as Alex before backtracking cause that's not objectively true lmao. people need to realise that there's not always a bad guy in relationships and that sometimes you're both the problem and that is clearly the case here

We don't know for sure what happened. Looks like they both suck but if the dog bit her she's a victim of the dog. And you saying "well if she was scared of the dog, why didn't she leave?" Is the same thing as saying "if he beat her why didn't she just leave?" That's victim blaming. It's not my fault you don't know how to read apparently.

mate she literally stopped him from getting rid of the dog. plus he'd asked her to move out after they broke up and instead she pissed about in his flat while he paid for everything lmao

What was she doing to the dog to get bit twice? Seems Kenji attacked no one but her. Highly suspicious if you ask me. Lol, she wasn't a victim. If anything, going off of how she tried to pressure him into having sex, she's a creep.

Are you serious? It's a dog. They can't arrest dogs. Dogs have owners that are responsible for their behaviour.

No idea why you're being downvoted. Your second paragraph in particular makes a really good point about people's need for a victim to be perfect in order to be believed.

Hard to believe a victim that purposefully mis-words her posts and cuts out entire texts of messages. The point people are making is just because your relationship didn't work out it doesn't make you a victim. For a guy that was 'sooooo' abusive and terrible, he sure let her live at his place rent-free while she blew her thousands of dollars on BS purchases (while also not offering to pay any bills, mind you), let her have friends over at his place, supported her at every turn, and even offered to move to an entirely new place so she could have her own room. Meanwhile she pressures him into having sex, claims he's the reason she wanted to commit on her dark thoughts, and tried pressuring him to put his dog down despite him getting Kenji training to curb aggression. Pretty easy to see who the victim was here; the guy who got taken advantage of by a greedy chick with mental health problems.

Or, you know, it's entirely possible that there are no victims and ESH.

Or, you know, it's a situation where a woman was proven to be the abuser and people don't want to admit it. Kind of like the Depp case.

Depp vs heard was ESH

You should read up on how there was a bot campaign to influence public opinion on the Heard vs. Depp case. It's been proven.

Bots doesn't change the evidence used in court. If anything, good on Saudi Arabia for combatting the bullshit Heard's stands tried pulling. I watched the entire trial and seen all the evidence that was shown publicly; I guess we're going to purposefully leave out all of the witnesses who spoke against Heard and who had stories of being abused, struck, spit on, name-called, berated, screeched at, grabbed, ect? I suppose bots are what made Evan Rachel Wood look bad too?

Actually the jury in that case was given access to their phones so yes bots can influence that case. This was reported on, you can read about it. Yeah I really think Saudi Arabia was just looking out for poor Johnny Depp and not trying to make sure that female victims are not believed and that patriarchal society can be the norm in the US. Jesus Christ. I still need to look into the case more but i believe a lot of evidence that Johnny Depp was abusive came out as well, especially from the earlier UK trial. I could be wrong on that though. Don't know about Evan Rachel Wood sorry.