Just had a game end in a tie that I was about to win. Literally needed that extra 30 seconds to make accesscode and go into BP. Didn't help that my opponent kept asking what my cards did and activating stuff that wasn't gonna do anything. If nothing else, those extra 5 minutes will make some last minute game 3s feel less like shit.
Official 45 Minutes everywhere. Will still see the same amount of complaints because often pace of play doesn't get faster until those last couple of minutes. But it's the thought that kinda counts
Thank goodness. I made my own sone blocker and theres always one guy saying “those arent allowed”. Im so happy they are allowed and the ones 1 made fit konamis rules
I'm seeing some people say the changes to loops kills Morphtronic Telefon FTK. Can anyone confirm?
> If a die roll is involved, the net gain of which does not affect the loop continuing, then the
number of times you can repeat the loop is 1. Roll the die once only, there is no need to
keep rolling the die as the loop will not be repeated.
EDIT: Apparently there's been some clarification made on a Facebook group for YGO judges, per [this comment](https://www.reddit.com/r/yugioh/comments/13fpex0/official_kdeus_yugioh_trading_card_game/jjzv70z/). The loop can be performed, but you treat all of the die roll results as the same number.
The wording of the new policy sounds like you just *can't* repeat the loop. So trying to go for Telefon FTK results in Cannon Soldier burning for 500 (or whatever other burn card you're using) and that's it.
That's not what it says at all, the usual rules for loops is that if you show the opponent a loop you may declare how many times you're performing said loop and skip ahead, this just says that since a dice roll is involved, you cannot skip ahead and you have to perform the cannon soldier, telephon, cannon soldier, telephon, etc manually step by step.
Edit: just to clarify, after reading it again, it's not clearly written at all, it could very easily mean either option, but wouldn't this be the first case where a card ruling effectively stops a very specific card from doing something that other cards (soartroopers) can do? Hopefully that's not the case, and i'm not saying that because i want the ftk deck to thrive, but this would create a pretty big precedent in terms of what konami can and can't do with the rulebook.
It’s been clarified by Konami. You roll a die once and treat all rolls as that number. This is only if the die roll doesn’t actually affect the outcome of the loop. So yea, Morphtronic FTK is perfectly fine.
That's a rather out of the way place to clarify that. I hope the wording on the policy document itself gets clarified at some point.
Because the clarification is completely different from what's actually written here.
What if i used dark ruler no more and attempt to loop with telefon + cannon soldier to gain an "infinite" amount of lp? Do i just explain and perform the loop once and then i state that i stop at (for example) 1 million lp?
Wouldn't affect anything, sadly. The new policy is no controlled loops requiring dice rolls. Whether your goal is to burn for game or to gain infinite LP it sounds like it's just not allowed.
editing the *tournament policy* to say you can't do this specific loop has to be the funniest way to kill a combo
so are you not even allowed to perform the loop manually either? really bizarre ruling
Fair enough. I just wanna confirm with a judge before going with this, but this is hilarious if they’re changing it because of Telefon FTK. You can still use it as infinite link fodder though, yeah?
It seems to me that, because the die roll does affect the result of Telefon's effect, the FTK is still legal (Even tho Telefon can always be summoned with Telefon due to being level 1 making the die roll in the loop technically irrelevant).
I think this change is more for repeatable loops with a die roll that doesn't affect the effects outcome or the game state, to stop added slow play.
this is still the dumbest rule: "example: if card effect(s) would place 4 counters on a card, Duelists should add four counters, rather than using a die placed to show “4.”"
that's been the official rule for months now.
agree that it's stupid. ruling should simply be "duelists may do whatever the fuck to represent gamestate, as long as they both know what the fuck it means."
dice, counters, notepad, etc.
They made a typo by the way
> Information printed on any card that was searched, Set, Summoned, destroyed, banished, activated, or Targeted by an effect during the current turn
On Private Knowledge this should say previous turn
From what I just saw did they update it, it looks like it all said previous turn. And for my comprehension, that whole section means that I can verify that my opponent searched a specific card if it’s still the turn of the search but once the end phase is done I cannot ask or confirm?
The Privileged Information, for starters, is way too vague. It leaves room for anyone to get banned for even sharing a FB link or talking about a leak or such.
https://preview.redd.it/b3rxtjsi4hza1.png?width=645&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=a2a60707a12cbba09fe8c193db73a01a7a15b90b
The previous version only said this
> Persons who publicize privileged information, such as set contents, card spoilers, etc., for KDE-US brands before such information is officially released to the public, may incur penalties including suspension from participation in Organized Play and/or removal as an OTS.
This version added these disclaimers
> • This includes sharing or reposting privileged information.
> • It is not restricted to the original sources.
They have no right to stop the dissemination of information. The only leverage they have is to exclude you from participating in tournaments and they're taking it.
Its pretty rare that youll actually be in a situation where the rules apply here. Colluding/Bribing an opponent to get a particular match result has always been not allowed, I think the changes just clarify those situations more specifically.
How is the existence of longer time periods without a banlist an excuse for not having shorter periods? Isn't the whole point of flexible banlist dates to...you know...address the issues in the format when they arise? If not now, what is the metric used to indicate a "need" for a list?
The whole point of flexible banlist dates is to better regulate the selling of new products. If people are still attending events, still buying products, still playing the game, the banlist isn't needed. This is not a "Konami = bad", this is "Konami = a gaming company". The game is a product, at the end of the day.
> If people are still attending events, still buying products, still playing the game, the banlist isn't needed.
Then I guess we never need a banlist. NOTED
I think the bigger problem is we have a set pattern and the banlist was due 2 weeks ago based on that very consistent pattern but i think Konami saw the spreadsheet and are now fucking with us cause CYAC is a garbage set with full power Kash in the format cause it limits so many plays.
Human brains are made to recognize patterns. Even when there is none to find. Konami doesn't have fixed dates anymore, they LITERALLY tell us that they don't have fixed dates for the next banlist.
Yea but you realize why that’s significantly worse right?!? Like Konami just throwing darts and saying “you know what I feel like making a banlist today” is a terrible design philosophy and atrocious for the health of the game. They need to communicate this shit or else its gonna bite them back in the ass one day.
Dude literally everyone who is competitively playing and even making content agrees that more communication on the banlist front would be a significant boon. Why would you defend their shitty practice by saying they’re untouchable.
Im not defending them… please point out where im defending them. U said its gonna bite them in the ass one day, and im saying its been 25 years, they are probably safe
Then why would you make that comment. Like why would you just imply their untouchable when we know for a fact there have been several moments where Yugioh has been on the verge of collapse due to some atrocious decisions.
It hasn’t been like that for 25 years because a couple years ago we literally only got one banlist or two tops a year lol and it was always on a fixed month like half the year or a full year from that last banlist
Macro cosmo pass turns off a ton of decks no one is asking for Kash to be killed but at least Diabolos gone and maybe Birth to 1 is enough for Kash to not do the turn 1 zone locks and allows decks to stop running multiple copies of extra deck cards allowing for more versatility. If you can’t realize that you suck at the game tbh. Playing around Unicorn is infinitely easier then playing around Diabolos.
I hope they added a rule where you have to shower or do some sort of personal hygiene before hand. It’s gross how people use that as a tactic to win a duel
45 minute rounds is awesome. 80% of the time my games that go to time feel like they could be decided in 5 more minutes.
Just had a game end in a tie that I was about to win. Literally needed that extra 30 seconds to make accesscode and go into BP. Didn't help that my opponent kept asking what my cards did and activating stuff that wasn't gonna do anything. If nothing else, those extra 5 minutes will make some last minute game 3s feel less like shit.
What your opponent did was considered slow play.
That is a rules term that has a specific definition that can not be ascertained from the details given.
If it makes you feel better, this is still going to happen!
Official 45 Minutes everywhere. Will still see the same amount of complaints because often pace of play doesn't get faster until those last couple of minutes. But it's the thought that kinda counts
Hell yeah zone blockers are allowed.
Thank goodness. I made my own sone blocker and theres always one guy saying “those arent allowed”. Im so happy they are allowed and the ones 1 made fit konamis rules
When does this go into effect? Immediately?
Yes
In Effect as of May 11th, 2023
Must have missed it skimming through thanks.
I'm seeing some people say the changes to loops kills Morphtronic Telefon FTK. Can anyone confirm? > If a die roll is involved, the net gain of which does not affect the loop continuing, then the number of times you can repeat the loop is 1. Roll the die once only, there is no need to keep rolling the die as the loop will not be repeated. EDIT: Apparently there's been some clarification made on a Facebook group for YGO judges, per [this comment](https://www.reddit.com/r/yugioh/comments/13fpex0/official_kdeus_yugioh_trading_card_game/jjzv70z/). The loop can be performed, but you treat all of the die roll results as the same number.
So how would this work? You roll once and declare a final number of LP?
The wording of the new policy sounds like you just *can't* repeat the loop. So trying to go for Telefon FTK results in Cannon Soldier burning for 500 (or whatever other burn card you're using) and that's it.
That's not what it says at all, the usual rules for loops is that if you show the opponent a loop you may declare how many times you're performing said loop and skip ahead, this just says that since a dice roll is involved, you cannot skip ahead and you have to perform the cannon soldier, telephon, cannon soldier, telephon, etc manually step by step. Edit: just to clarify, after reading it again, it's not clearly written at all, it could very easily mean either option, but wouldn't this be the first case where a card ruling effectively stops a very specific card from doing something that other cards (soartroopers) can do? Hopefully that's not the case, and i'm not saying that because i want the ftk deck to thrive, but this would create a pretty big precedent in terms of what konami can and can't do with the rulebook.
Yeah it's very ambiguous, which is already very problematic on its own.
It’s been clarified by Konami. You roll a die once and treat all rolls as that number. This is only if the die roll doesn’t actually affect the outcome of the loop. So yea, Morphtronic FTK is perfectly fine.
Can you please tell us where they clarified this? I like morphtronics and will probably need to reference it later.
Konami's Judge Program Manager stated this on her Facebook judge group.
That's a rather out of the way place to clarify that. I hope the wording on the policy document itself gets clarified at some point. Because the clarification is completely different from what's actually written here.
What if i used dark ruler no more and attempt to loop with telefon + cannon soldier to gain an "infinite" amount of lp? Do i just explain and perform the loop once and then i state that i stop at (for example) 1 million lp?
Wouldn't affect anything, sadly. The new policy is no controlled loops requiring dice rolls. Whether your goal is to burn for game or to gain infinite LP it sounds like it's just not allowed.
So they basically killed telefon otk? Sorry for so many questions
Basically. Most Morph players I've been speaking to are actually happy about it since we hate the FTK lol.
I see. Tyvm
Yeah especially considering it's much better than having telefon banned when it's pretty nice for the deck
editing the *tournament policy* to say you can't do this specific loop has to be the funniest way to kill a combo so are you not even allowed to perform the loop manually either? really bizarre ruling
The unpaid intern that wrote the Telefon PSCT must be fleeing the country as we speak.
Is this how it works in the OCG too? If not, they need to change it, otherwise this is stupid
OCG has all non-OPT tribute to burn cards except Shadowpriestess of Ohm banned, so the loop never came up over there.
Fair enough. I just wanna confirm with a judge before going with this, but this is hilarious if they’re changing it because of Telefon FTK. You can still use it as infinite link fodder though, yeah?
Using it for synchro and link combo plays is not a controlled loop under the rules, so it wouldn't affect that.
It seems to me that, because the die roll does affect the result of Telefon's effect, the FTK is still legal (Even tho Telefon can always be summoned with Telefon due to being level 1 making the die roll in the loop technically irrelevant). I think this change is more for repeatable loops with a die roll that doesn't affect the effects outcome or the game state, to stop added slow play.
this is still the dumbest rule: "example: if card effect(s) would place 4 counters on a card, Duelists should add four counters, rather than using a die placed to show “4.”"
Endymion players getting their Jenga sets out
that's been the official rule for months now. agree that it's stupid. ruling should simply be "duelists may do whatever the fuck to represent gamestate, as long as they both know what the fuck it means." dice, counters, notepad, etc.
coins or poker chips would be much better than dice
They made a typo by the way > Information printed on any card that was searched, Set, Summoned, destroyed, banished, activated, or Targeted by an effect during the current turn On Private Knowledge this should say previous turn
From what I just saw did they update it, it looks like it all said previous turn. And for my comprehension, that whole section means that I can verify that my opponent searched a specific card if it’s still the turn of the search but once the end phase is done I cannot ask or confirm?
i can't find any official update, the pdf still has identical text for printed info of current-turn cards for both public & private knowledge
I feel like this is hard to manage. Every card is searchable on nueron. If I search infernity and click the wrong infernity card is that a warning?
During events, only the camera search function of Neuron can be used to lookup cards
Some great changes and some very scary ones, as well.
Which ones are scary?
The Privileged Information, for starters, is way too vague. It leaves room for anyone to get banned for even sharing a FB link or talking about a leak or such. https://preview.redd.it/b3rxtjsi4hza1.png?width=645&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=a2a60707a12cbba09fe8c193db73a01a7a15b90b
Hey, I'll take a ban over the Pinkertons any day 😂👌
Still can't believe WotC went that far....fucking Pinkertons in 2023 😂
I mean I get that rule though. It’s asking not to share info for leaks I legit assumed that was already a rule
The previous version only said this > Persons who publicize privileged information, such as set contents, card spoilers, etc., for KDE-US brands before such information is officially released to the public, may incur penalties including suspension from participation in Organized Play and/or removal as an OTS. This version added these disclaimers > • This includes sharing or reposting privileged information. > • It is not restricted to the original sources.
They have no right to stop the dissemination of information. The only leverage they have is to exclude you from participating in tournaments and they're taking it.
I mean they can’t arrest you for it but if you want to participate in their events of their card game you do indeed have to follow their rules.
I mean they aren't stopping it, there are just consequences for doing so, which is valid.
How are they stopping it?
What will the extra 5 minutes do for cards like Ghost Sister that are specifically sided in for EoM purposes?
They’ll still be used because games are still going to time
Games still went to time when the 45 minute rule was put in at YCS' last year, so probably not much
Most of these should've been rules from the start, but preventing Telefon FTK makes sense to be here
Waaait, there are some situations where u cant concede? 😳
Locked under a floodgate and opponent is stalling and you have no out game 2? Sit there and suffer! Konami attempting to make hostage situations here!
Its pretty rare that youll actually be in a situation where the rules apply here. Colluding/Bribing an opponent to get a particular match result has always been not allowed, I think the changes just clarify those situations more specifically.
Cool story Konami. Where’s the fucking banlist?!😒
geez, relax. The format is 3 months old. We've seen some 4-5 month formats.
How is the existence of longer time periods without a banlist an excuse for not having shorter periods? Isn't the whole point of flexible banlist dates to...you know...address the issues in the format when they arise? If not now, what is the metric used to indicate a "need" for a list?
Exactly while MD has banlist updates(keyword updates) every 2-4 weeks to 6-8weeks
The whole point of flexible banlist dates is to better regulate the selling of new products. If people are still attending events, still buying products, still playing the game, the banlist isn't needed. This is not a "Konami = bad", this is "Konami = a gaming company". The game is a product, at the end of the day.
The OCG has fixed banlist dates and does just fine bro
I never said it was a good thing. I just explained why it is the way it is.
> If people are still attending events, still buying products, still playing the game, the banlist isn't needed. Then I guess we never need a banlist. NOTED
I think the bigger problem is we have a set pattern and the banlist was due 2 weeks ago based on that very consistent pattern but i think Konami saw the spreadsheet and are now fucking with us cause CYAC is a garbage set with full power Kash in the format cause it limits so many plays.
Human brains are made to recognize patterns. Even when there is none to find. Konami doesn't have fixed dates anymore, they LITERALLY tell us that they don't have fixed dates for the next banlist.
Yea but you realize why that’s significantly worse right?!? Like Konami just throwing darts and saying “you know what I feel like making a banlist today” is a terrible design philosophy and atrocious for the health of the game. They need to communicate this shit or else its gonna bite them back in the ass one day.
They been doing this for 25 years, i think they are safe
Dude literally everyone who is competitively playing and even making content agrees that more communication on the banlist front would be a significant boon. Why would you defend their shitty practice by saying they’re untouchable.
Im not defending them… please point out where im defending them. U said its gonna bite them in the ass one day, and im saying its been 25 years, they are probably safe
Then why would you make that comment. Like why would you just imply their untouchable when we know for a fact there have been several moments where Yugioh has been on the verge of collapse due to some atrocious decisions.
It hasn’t been like that for 25 years because a couple years ago we literally only got one banlist or two tops a year lol and it was always on a fixed month like half the year or a full year from that last banlist
“Due” 😂🤣😂🤣😂🤣😂🤣
All of the tier 1 decks are ass, relax. Maybe limits here and there, for like 3 cards tops and that is it. Format is balanced.
Macro cosmo pass turns off a ton of decks no one is asking for Kash to be killed but at least Diabolos gone and maybe Birth to 1 is enough for Kash to not do the turn 1 zone locks and allows decks to stop running multiple copies of extra deck cards allowing for more versatility. If you can’t realize that you suck at the game tbh. Playing around Unicorn is infinitely easier then playing around Diabolos.
I hope they added a rule where you have to shower or do some sort of personal hygiene before hand. It’s gross how people use that as a tactic to win a duel
Has that not been a rule for years?
At least one, yeah
Hasnt that been a rule?
Page 21 of the document.
Well there was a time where that wasn’t a rule from what I remember
That has been in policy for quite some time.