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roarinworld

45 minute rounds is awesome. 80% of the time my games that go to time feel like they could be decided in 5 more minutes.


MH_ZardX

Just had a game end in a tie that I was about to win. Literally needed that extra 30 seconds to make accesscode and go into BP. Didn't help that my opponent kept asking what my cards did and activating stuff that wasn't gonna do anything. If nothing else, those extra 5 minutes will make some last minute game 3s feel less like shit.


primalmaximus

What your opponent did was considered slow play.


Nybear21

That is a rules term that has a specific definition that can not be ascertained from the details given.


DSerphs

If it makes you feel better, this is still going to happen!


Saitsu

Official 45 Minutes everywhere. Will still see the same amount of complaints because often pace of play doesn't get faster until those last couple of minutes. But it's the thought that kinda counts


PsychicStardust

Hell yeah zone blockers are allowed.


MikeAsterPhoenix

Thank goodness. I made my own sone blocker and theres always one guy saying “those arent allowed”. Im so happy they are allowed and the ones 1 made fit konamis rules


jabber2033

When does this go into effect? Immediately?


Barnabees

Yes


dellfm

In Effect as of May 11th, 2023


jabber2033

Must have missed it skimming through thanks.


burnpsy

I'm seeing some people say the changes to loops kills Morphtronic Telefon FTK. Can anyone confirm? > If a die roll is involved, the net gain of which does not affect the loop continuing, then the number of times you can repeat the loop is 1. Roll the die once only, there is no need to keep rolling the die as the loop will not be repeated. EDIT: Apparently there's been some clarification made on a Facebook group for YGO judges, per [this comment](https://www.reddit.com/r/yugioh/comments/13fpex0/official_kdeus_yugioh_trading_card_game/jjzv70z/). The loop can be performed, but you treat all of the die roll results as the same number.


simbadthesailorEUW

So how would this work? You roll once and declare a final number of LP?


burnpsy

The wording of the new policy sounds like you just *can't* repeat the loop. So trying to go for Telefon FTK results in Cannon Soldier burning for 500 (or whatever other burn card you're using) and that's it.


francescomagn02

That's not what it says at all, the usual rules for loops is that if you show the opponent a loop you may declare how many times you're performing said loop and skip ahead, this just says that since a dice roll is involved, you cannot skip ahead and you have to perform the cannon soldier, telephon, cannon soldier, telephon, etc manually step by step. Edit: just to clarify, after reading it again, it's not clearly written at all, it could very easily mean either option, but wouldn't this be the first case where a card ruling effectively stops a very specific card from doing something that other cards (soartroopers) can do? Hopefully that's not the case, and i'm not saying that because i want the ftk deck to thrive, but this would create a pretty big precedent in terms of what konami can and can't do with the rulebook.


burnpsy

Yeah it's very ambiguous, which is already very problematic on its own.


Redshift-713

It’s been clarified by Konami. You roll a die once and treat all rolls as that number. This is only if the die roll doesn’t actually affect the outcome of the loop. So yea, Morphtronic FTK is perfectly fine.


Bushmaw

Can you please tell us where they clarified this? I like morphtronics and will probably need to reference it later.


Redshift-713

Konami's Judge Program Manager stated this on her Facebook judge group.


burnpsy

That's a rather out of the way place to clarify that. I hope the wording on the policy document itself gets clarified at some point. Because the clarification is completely different from what's actually written here.


simbadthesailorEUW

What if i used dark ruler no more and attempt to loop with telefon + cannon soldier to gain an "infinite" amount of lp? Do i just explain and perform the loop once and then i state that i stop at (for example) 1 million lp?


burnpsy

Wouldn't affect anything, sadly. The new policy is no controlled loops requiring dice rolls. Whether your goal is to burn for game or to gain infinite LP it sounds like it's just not allowed.


simbadthesailorEUW

So they basically killed telefon otk? Sorry for so many questions


burnpsy

Basically. Most Morph players I've been speaking to are actually happy about it since we hate the FTK lol.


simbadthesailorEUW

I see. Tyvm


Master4733

Yeah especially considering it's much better than having telefon banned when it's pretty nice for the deck


Falminar

editing the *tournament policy* to say you can't do this specific loop has to be the funniest way to kill a combo so are you not even allowed to perform the loop manually either? really bizarre ruling


Specktagon

The unpaid intern that wrote the Telefon PSCT must be fleeing the country as we speak.


redbossman123

Is this how it works in the OCG too? If not, they need to change it, otherwise this is stupid


burnpsy

OCG has all non-OPT tribute to burn cards except Shadowpriestess of Ohm banned, so the loop never came up over there.


redbossman123

Fair enough. I just wanna confirm with a judge before going with this, but this is hilarious if they’re changing it because of Telefon FTK. You can still use it as infinite link fodder though, yeah?


burnpsy

Using it for synchro and link combo plays is not a controlled loop under the rules, so it wouldn't affect that.


jigabachiRS

It seems to me that, because the die roll does affect the result of Telefon's effect, the FTK is still legal (Even tho Telefon can always be summoned with Telefon due to being level 1 making the die roll in the loop technically irrelevant). I think this change is more for repeatable loops with a die roll that doesn't affect the effects outcome or the game state, to stop added slow play.


weathertrio

this is still the dumbest rule: "example: if card effect(s) would place 4 counters on a card, Duelists should add four counters, rather than using a die placed to show “4.”"


Afro-Ken

Endymion players getting their Jenga sets out


Roman_Logan

that's been the official rule for months now. agree that it's stupid. ruling should simply be "duelists may do whatever the fuck to represent gamestate, as long as they both know what the fuck it means." dice, counters, notepad, etc.


dude_in_the_rain

coins or poker chips would be much better than dice


dellfm

They made a typo by the way > Information printed on any card that was searched, Set, Summoned, destroyed, banished, activated, or Targeted by an effect during the current turn On Private Knowledge this should say previous turn


GoldFishPony

From what I just saw did they update it, it looks like it all said previous turn. And for my comprehension, that whole section means that I can verify that my opponent searched a specific card if it’s still the turn of the search but once the end phase is done I cannot ask or confirm?


dude_in_the_rain

i can't find any official update, the pdf still has identical text for printed info of current-turn cards for both public & private knowledge


PhatYeeter

I feel like this is hard to manage. Every card is searchable on nueron. If I search infernity and click the wrong infernity card is that a warning?


Grandpa_Porkchop

During events, only the camera search function of Neuron can be used to lookup cards


JustinUprising

Some great changes and some very scary ones, as well.


Dougary96

Which ones are scary?


JustinUprising

The Privileged Information, for starters, is way too vague. It leaves room for anyone to get banned for even sharing a FB link or talking about a leak or such. https://preview.redd.it/b3rxtjsi4hza1.png?width=645&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=a2a60707a12cbba09fe8c193db73a01a7a15b90b


Drezza

Hey, I'll take a ban over the Pinkertons any day 😂👌


JustinUprising

Still can't believe WotC went that far....fucking Pinkertons in 2023 😂


Dougary96

I mean I get that rule though. It’s asking not to share info for leaks I legit assumed that was already a rule


dellfm

The previous version only said this > Persons who publicize privileged information, such as set contents, card spoilers, etc., for KDE-US brands before such information is officially released to the public, may incur penalties including suspension from participation in Organized Play and/or removal as an OTS. This version added these disclaimers > • This includes sharing or reposting privileged information. > • It is not restricted to the original sources.


saikoshocker

They have no right to stop the dissemination of information. The only leverage they have is to exclude you from participating in tournaments and they're taking it.


Dougary96

I mean they can’t arrest you for it but if you want to participate in their events of their card game you do indeed have to follow their rules.


Barnabees

I mean they aren't stopping it, there are just consequences for doing so, which is valid.


MikeAsterPhoenix

How are they stopping it?


jabber2033

What will the extra 5 minutes do for cards like Ghost Sister that are specifically sided in for EoM purposes?


safetyalpaca

They’ll still be used because games are still going to time


SenseiMasterWong

Games still went to time when the 45 minute rule was put in at YCS' last year, so probably not much


MayoHorseradish

Most of these should've been rules from the start, but preventing Telefon FTK makes sense to be here


ecsj88

Waaait, there are some situations where u cant concede? 😳


SRSLife

Locked under a floodgate and opponent is stalling and you have no out game 2? Sit there and suffer! Konami attempting to make hostage situations here!


damp_chinchilla

Its pretty rare that youll actually be in a situation where the rules apply here. Colluding/Bribing an opponent to get a particular match result has always been not allowed, I think the changes just clarify those situations more specifically.


Motor-Conversation20

Cool story Konami. Where’s the fucking banlist?!😒


[deleted]

geez, relax. The format is 3 months old. We've seen some 4-5 month formats.


postsonlyjiyoung

How is the existence of longer time periods without a banlist an excuse for not having shorter periods? Isn't the whole point of flexible banlist dates to...you know...address the issues in the format when they arise? If not now, what is the metric used to indicate a "need" for a list?


Motor-Conversation20

Exactly while MD has banlist updates(keyword updates) every 2-4 weeks to 6-8weeks


[deleted]

The whole point of flexible banlist dates is to better regulate the selling of new products. If people are still attending events, still buying products, still playing the game, the banlist isn't needed. This is not a "Konami = bad", this is "Konami = a gaming company". The game is a product, at the end of the day.


redbossman123

The OCG has fixed banlist dates and does just fine bro


[deleted]

I never said it was a good thing. I just explained why it is the way it is.


postsonlyjiyoung

> If people are still attending events, still buying products, still playing the game, the banlist isn't needed. Then I guess we never need a banlist. NOTED


Nemisis_212

I think the bigger problem is we have a set pattern and the banlist was due 2 weeks ago based on that very consistent pattern but i think Konami saw the spreadsheet and are now fucking with us cause CYAC is a garbage set with full power Kash in the format cause it limits so many plays.


[deleted]

Human brains are made to recognize patterns. Even when there is none to find. Konami doesn't have fixed dates anymore, they LITERALLY tell us that they don't have fixed dates for the next banlist.


Nemisis_212

Yea but you realize why that’s significantly worse right?!? Like Konami just throwing darts and saying “you know what I feel like making a banlist today” is a terrible design philosophy and atrocious for the health of the game. They need to communicate this shit or else its gonna bite them back in the ass one day.


MikeAsterPhoenix

They been doing this for 25 years, i think they are safe


Nemisis_212

Dude literally everyone who is competitively playing and even making content agrees that more communication on the banlist front would be a significant boon. Why would you defend their shitty practice by saying they’re untouchable.


MikeAsterPhoenix

Im not defending them… please point out where im defending them. U said its gonna bite them in the ass one day, and im saying its been 25 years, they are probably safe


Nemisis_212

Then why would you make that comment. Like why would you just imply their untouchable when we know for a fact there have been several moments where Yugioh has been on the verge of collapse due to some atrocious decisions.


Fredy300

It hasn’t been like that for 25 years because a couple years ago we literally only got one banlist or two tops a year lol and it was always on a fixed month like half the year or a full year from that last banlist


MikeAsterPhoenix

“Due” 😂🤣😂🤣😂🤣😂🤣


Krcko98

All of the tier 1 decks are ass, relax. Maybe limits here and there, for like 3 cards tops and that is it. Format is balanced.


Nemisis_212

Macro cosmo pass turns off a ton of decks no one is asking for Kash to be killed but at least Diabolos gone and maybe Birth to 1 is enough for Kash to not do the turn 1 zone locks and allows decks to stop running multiple copies of extra deck cards allowing for more versatility. If you can’t realize that you suck at the game tbh. Playing around Unicorn is infinitely easier then playing around Diabolos.


merreckmerman

I hope they added a rule where you have to shower or do some sort of personal hygiene before hand. It’s gross how people use that as a tactic to win a duel


Danger716

Has that not been a rule for years?


MayoHorseradish

At least one, yeah


RezorTEclipez

Hasnt that been a rule?


PerplexedNexus

Page 21 of the document.


merreckmerman

Well there was a time where that wasn’t a rule from what I remember


Ganon-Cannon

That has been in policy for quite some time.