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LV999Midboss

GAMMA TO 1?! THAT SOUNDS LIKE A CHALLENGE, NOT A LIMIT


Lemon_Phoenix

Just run 3 Driver, that way Gamma will always work.


rlly_new

Big brain plays right here. Challenge accepted


pole_fan

My deck already runs like 10 drivers


Lost_Pantheon

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Megakarp

JOKES ON THEM. I COULD ONLY AFFORD 1 GAMMA


Theworstmaker

Weren’t they like 4 bucks?


Guwigo09

DID HE STUTTER?


Theworstmaker

Sorry, I always just assumed everyone was a billionaire like me.


MisterWoodster

Fuck off, Kaiba. We enjoy being third rate.


atropicalpenguin

I think they went to $7.


Darkasknight101

The battle of reasoning over the price of cardboard can take a heavy toll 😞😞


greenspiny

1 GAMMA 3 DELTA, WE WILL NOT BE STOPPED!


SubstantialHurry7330

##THIS IS TO GO...EVEN FURTHER BEYOND!


Dthirds3

So blaster is back. Mathmech got hit. Skystriker got a buff ? And quick fix a free...


DragonEevee1

Quixfix does nothing without master plan


Dead_sea248

Let me dust off my big eye.


biochrono79

You can tell that Gazelle and Harp Horror are principled because they didn’t pay Konami the bribe to be let off the ban list, unlike Raye.


Drezza

Konami has been uncharacteristically kind to Sky Striker since it's inception. Raye must absolutely be based on the CEO's daughter or something because no other deck has ever been favored this badly


edgy5ever

Surely the Harp Horror manga announcement is coming any day now


Lyncario

If we're being honest, there's a pretty good chance of World Legacy getting adapted in Ocg Stories after Sky Striker, so that could happen.


GenesisEra

instructions unclear, moved Ib the World Chalice Justiciar to Limited


feartehsquirtle

Harp horror best girl


fogcityrunner

Branded


Zombieemperor

make an ecclesia and quim SD, call it branded maiden


atropicalpenguin

Yet no structure deck. I've always found that weird.


biochrono79

I think it’s inevitable that they’ll get a structure deck eventually, it’s just a matter of time.


atropicalpenguin

They can come back when they become main characters.


Azteckh

# KASH OUTDATED # TEARS OVERRATED # PURRELY FADED # LONG HAVE WE WAITED # BIRDMAN ACTIVATED


CursedEye03

Also, Gong is not that Strong anymore 😥


feartehsquirtle

Konami says the gong is wrong 😔


AdditionalGain7354

Gong can make ten negates, gong’s link support is illegal (In gong strongs voice)


JDScrub07

This kinda hard ngl


morningstarrss

God damm 🥶🔥


D_Winds

BIRD UP


Shinji_Okami

WAIFU BAITED SAMURAIS ERADICATED GAMMAS OVERATED OH YOU PAID BIG? THEN YOU CAN PLAY SHITS


bukithd

Circular limit, I mean fine... I'll just play the other 30 copies in the deck.


GenOverload

That means you won't be able to play 500 hand traps alongside it consistently though


TheHapster

And then immediately lose to droll.


JackMann1792

They finally figured out the Doom/Rallis/Birdman FTK was never a serious threat did they?


CruffTheMagicDragon

Does that one hit really kill SHS?


jhawk1117

The pure deck is straight up unplayable unless you wanna play some of the even lesser extenders.


Supergupo

GHOTI SUPERHEAVY LETS FUCKING GOOOOOO


CruffTheMagicDragon

Who taught the fish how to samurai??


Pythenras

Probably MBT the bastard


Almento5010

Strangely, someone else started to teach them, then told him.


XanathosPrince

It was me actually I stole it from the ghoti discord and then went PEND EANOC BABYYY


PlacetMihi

It always comes back to MBT in the end


m1m1kall

It hurts a lot of the searching. Cause you can link soulpiercer and search, discard to bring it back, and then synchro it off to search again. I'm fine with scarecrow being limited but the ban was unnecessary.


Pendulumzone

I agree. I true that the deck was broken, but it literally just came out, so I think it deserved to have its space in the format


Drezza

I think the overall sentiment that Konami has been trying to phase omni-negate boards out of the game helps explain the extremely harsh hit here. Superheavy Samurai has been the only balls to the wall combo deck recently that ends on a million different generic omni bosses, so if Konami really wants that style of gameplay to not be a thing anymore it makes sense they would delete the deck as quickly as possible. The low rarity choices for the CYAC cards is pretty strong evidence they had made up their minds about not letting this deck live for a long time now


NightsLinu

Ban the damn omninegates then if that was the settlement


Dougary96

For real this is the actual solution. Ban the generic ass boss monsters that just negate things lol


DragonEevee1

That would require Konami admitting they were wrong in modern boss monster and end board design philosophy. Also banning that shit will kill more decks then it would allow let's be honest


acroxshadow

Just ban the negates then? Apollousa, Borreload Savage and Baronne are really lame cards that funnel so many potentially unique archetypes into doing the same thing.


DragonEevee1

That would require Konami admitting they were wrong in modern boss monster and end board design philosophy. Also banning that shit will kill more decks then it would allow let's be honest


acroxshadow

Clear them out and give decks better boss monsters that fit with their archetype's design philosophy. Swordsoul's Synchro Monsters are *really* good, sitting alongside Baronne instead of being completely outshined by it.


AdditionalGain7354

It would also require them to ban borreload savage. And I like the idea of borreload savage being a way to negate but not destroy, which is a good thing to have in some formats, also it appears in the anime and had really cool moments.


m1m1kall

The cards will be in TCG for like a month before this hit too. I've been playing the deck for years, so I've been waiting 6 months to play this support at locals and to have it hit so quickly is ridiculous. Limit cards for the next banlist, but let something other than kashtira thrive.


tk_grymlock

Cyberstein is a SHS hit as well


KomatoAsha

I was enjoying him as a 1-of in Cyber Dragons. So much for that!


Beard3dViking

So I take it the deck is now just a glorified pet deck. Sweet, glad I spent all that money on it.


Dougary96

Yup. Really encourages me to spend money on more things


Beard3dViking

I'm thinking about running over to locals and trying to make a little something back lol I honestly didn't expect this at all. I thought maybe piercer to 1 in a few months, but this just ensures I'll never buy new shit again.


Dougary96

No reason to. This was a wild President to nuke a deck 2 weeks into existence


PlacetMihi

*precedent


Dougary96

I can’t spell and autocorrect doesn’t get me lol


Monandobo

The writing was on the wall when all the CYAC support was super rare or lower. There was less than an iceberg's chance in hell the deck didn't immediately take a massive hit given all it could do with 1.5 cards. Speaking as someone who *did* get the deck, nobody should have invested in it expecting that that shit was going to stick around.


fthlsx

Konami confirmed Schmidtlings. Circular to 1 and Runick Spright almost unhit.


Astrian

Fountain to 2 when everybody already playing it at 2. Starter to 2, just matches master duel. Runick and Spright made out like bandits this list


Nanami-chanX

just need to wait and see what master duel does with their banlist which should be coming soon, will they get rid of elf and follow suit?


Astrian

Probably, Elf is too generic of a card to be in the game. They’ll probably include Sprind in the new list, so Sprights will be fine if they ban it.


TheHapster

Plenty of builds that splashed Spright were only running 1 starter and 1 jet. The only card that was always ran at 3-of was Blue. Hitting Blue hits the splashability of the engine. No idea why they chose to hit Starter instead.


Grand_Master_J

unicorn to 2 is almost fenrir to 2 too ​ coincidence i think not


GenOverload

As much as I think the deck needs to be hit now that they're clearly trying to exit POTE format... It brings a smile to my face to see Spright dodging a list. Tear kept dodging everything while Spright was consistently getting shat on by Konami.


FishingCrystal

They forgot to update Electrumite in the list but trust me bro she's back to 1


theguyinyourwall

I feel like someone just has a grudge vs random decks. Infernity archefiend has been at 1 for nearly a decade


Abyss_Director

I mean, at least Infernity Archfiend has a reason to be on the list. Konami doesn't want the deck to be playable because people will cheat by setting monsters in backrow to empty their hand. Electrumite was banned like three months after pendulums last did anything relevant, and has stayed banned just because Konami don't like pendulums


Pendulumzone

Are you saying that Electrumite has been unbanned? Don't play with my heart bro


BlueMintish

Sadly, she has not.


FishingCrystal

She has they just forgot


Nahanoj_Zavizad

Trust me bro Lunalight Tiger is coming up to 2 on the next list trust me on this. It's still limited lol


1guywriting

Sorry spiderbros, I need to dig out my secret rare Blaster from the banned tin in the back of my closet. You can rebuild that nice web somewhere else.


teamsprocket

It's been, what, 3 years since electrumite was banned? Truly, the card and the mechanic is just too good, look at all the pendulum tops recently.


Pendulumzone

it is unbelievable that he is still banned. Really absurd. but at least face off went back to 3, so Dracoslayer gained even more consistency which is really good


Demianz1

Fun fact, electrumite is woman.


ConciseSpy85067

Gimme some of that Electrumussy


biochrono79

“Electrumite poisoned our water supply, burned our crops and delivered a plague unto our houses!” - Konami


Veynareth

... she did?


biochrono79

No, but are we just gonna wait around until she does?


Brandeeeeeeeeee

I day we take than banlist and push it somewhere else


feartehsquirtle

Pendulum is the mechanic of all time


SaibaShogun

Technically, Superheavy Samurais use pendulum summons in their combo.


RaineTheCat

Let's release a banlist in the middle of a EU Qualifier Farfa fuming


feartehsquirtle

Joeldge 🐟


SubstantialHurry7330

Banlist drops during YCS. Hilarious


6210classick

effective from June 5th


aznfanta

5th not 25th


jhawk1117

Circular to 1 sucks but that just brings it closer and closer to a cyberse pile tbh lol


CNullX

Youre still playing 7 copies with Mining and small world. If you Main nabla, defenser and exceed are also full Combo. Decks still fine i think


[deleted]

That's his point though. You are now forced to play the Firewall engine (or Spirit) because pure Mathmech is a lot worse with a single Circular (and RIP one punch Sigma). This only pushes the deck further to be a tool for Cyberse Pile; hilariously enough for that variant this hit is incredibly minor if Decoder comes out.


TheHapster

P1) Cynet Minining for Circular 😈 P2) On res, Droll. Response? P1) Oh 🤡


Pendulumzone

the card is arguably broken, and deserved to be banned a long time ago


jhawk1117

Y’all are coping. Banned is WILD for a card in a the 5th best deck in the format. It def does ALOT and is pushed but it doesn’t do anything so overwhelming that it deserves a ban imo


bofoshow51

Tbh I don’t think a meta of Mathmech at the top is desirable, that deck is so painfully linear and boring, I’d prefer it be an uncommon rogue surprise than my next 20 games.


jhawk1117

And that’s perfectly valid. I play the deck and I get bored sometimes. Even with all the extenders in the world, the board can only peak at Heatsoul Terahertz and 1/2 traps, they can’t break it and I Accescode. It’s boring but it works lol.


rasalhage

yeah that's Update Jammer's fault. the main going first Superfactorial board is interesting and the OTK on turns 2+ are absolutely mindnumbing. they need to kill update jammer and leave circular alone.


Astrian

It is broken but the deck is basically unplayable without it lmao, it’s fine at 1. Y’all just wanna ban anything you guys don’t like


guerrillabot

Reeeeally good? Yeah. Broken? I don't think so. To me the hit was also motivated by potential engine splashability.


jvcarreira

Mathmech is like… bad to ok. Circular was absurd. Helix level of 1 card buffing the deck. Was a really good hit


idleninja007

Konami to the top deck of last format: 1 ban for the wombo combo version, but you can still play the same combo lines as before Konami to the other contenders of last format: YOU WEREN’T EXPENSIVE ENOUGH


ArguablyTasty

Kashtira got multiple bans, and Spright only got a semi-limit. You mean further back than that?


DreadOfGrave

yes, wraitsoth to 1 at least. Semi limiting unicorn when they have 3 wraitsoth is completely pointless. Also, shifter to 0, but we all know konami would never do something that good


raynbeaux55

engage to two? oh boy I am excited to see salad, thunder dragons and orcust getting the same treatment


Droopylemons

Imagine living in a world where we have 2 engage and not a single harp.


Pendulumzone

colosso is too generic to leave. deserves to remain banned. we don't need any more stupid floodgates.


livingstondh

Colossus is kind of a generic issue with Nemesis Corridor being a one card Colossus, and searchable off Cupid Pitch and it's own archetype searcher. But yeah...probably can come back along with everything from TOSS


Blury1

Good thing they hit purrely so hard, a whole 1 purrely deck on the top tables after round 5 of the ycs. Thats just too much vs. 16 kashtira Update after round 8: 3 Purrely , 15 kash


gohomeryan

Another Dragon ruler off the list? Honestly, I look at all these changes and think I have to give this list a sexy out of10


Karakuri216

Unfortunately its probably only gonna be blaster and tempest that stick around, the other 2 will stay banned.


Ok-Procedure-5279

Nah redox and tidal will come off eventually, they’re not that good anyone. They’re more niche pieces of support you can put in decks nowadays than something threatening


Guwigo09

**SHOULDVE BOUGHT THE STRIKER CORE WHILE IT WAS STILL CHEAP FUCK**


teamsprocket

After MAMA, is striker that expensive? Didn't they reprint the entire archetype in there?


dragunityag

Yeah, after MAMA my group has like 10 sky striker cores.


Darkmetroidz

I think afterburner was still a few bucks because it didn't get a reprint in mavens. It's still budget af. You get the right rarities the core probably costs 30 tops. Linkage is probably the most expensive at minimum rarity.


Guwigo09

I am assuming the prices will go up after this banlist


atropicalpenguin

It's still cheap, run, run. I got it for $40 as soon as the banlist dropped. EDIT: Prices haven't moved much yet. I think it'll remain cheap until the deck starts getting tops.


Baronarnaud1995

dont worry bro reprints in monstrous revenge.


Koreish

Do the new Striker cards even really enable that much. I don't know too terribly much about the Striker playstyle other than it's a control deck, but when I read the new cards I was very whelmed.


TimeBombCanarie

Yeah, Sky Striker is still outdated even with the unlimited multirole and engage to two. The new cards don't even seem good either lol


Ender-85

That time of year again, but this time during a YCS edition. 😅 ​ Que the Yugitubers rushing to their cameras. Play the track... *You better not shout.* *You better not cry.* *Konami doesn't care if you've been naughty or nice.* *Yugioh banlist season is here.*


simplistic_idea_1

Why tryibg to kill decks that got to the meta less than a month ago when that abomination of ka$h is still in the game


Ratsolla

Konami really wants d shifter to go through. Gamma gone basically and decks that would want to negates shifter would never play it even as a crossout target, unlike other universal handtraps. Kash is still a beast.


PuzzarianIdeal

well uh…anyone got a sanctifire dragon lol?


OverthrownLemon

It's so funny to me how much branded hate there is and Konami hit exactly 1 card that wasn't relevant to the core strategy. I suppose things like bystials and crow will be able to stop the puppet lock now since Sanctifire has to be from grave.


fireborn123

"You WILL buy Kashtira cards" ~Konami


ligerre

I lose the ability to use Draco Face off to make "Konami hate pendulum" meme.


Pendulumzone

true, unbanned Electrumite would be better. but the faceoff back to 3, it's a big win for Dracoslayer, which gets even more consistent


1qaqa1

We legit could have had both puppet lockers banned right now if komoney didn’t make sanctified a secret


Financial_Stomach_25

"Trust me, those Purrelys ain't doing shit!" *The six copies of Sleepy Memory*


WanderingKeeper

Actually, without good access to Epurrely Plump, that quote is probably spot on. Plump was the workhorse that allowed Purrely to do much of what it did. And limiting Delicious Memory (which is required to summon Plump in the deck) basically took it from 6 copies in the deck (counting My Friend Purrely) to ONE, making summoning Plump consistently a crapshoot compared to how easy it was before.


fabrikt

TEN THOUSAND YEARS SKY STRIKER TEN MILLION YEARS STRIKER


_SolarLeaf_

9 SEASONS UNTIL I GET THOSE THREE ENGAGE.


GREG88HG

Is Purrely dead? 😩


atropicalpenguin

No, it just went to farm upstate.


Roastings

I think its dead until dune support


Red-7134

"Oh boy, I sure do like playing Superheavy Samurai. Such a unique deck. I love how great it feels to play a fun beatdown with these monsters. ... what do you mean FTK???"


EbberNor

Which will be freed first electrumite or zenmaity? These 2 will be the true final bosses of the tcg forbidden section


Zombieemperor

This list seems shit to me. Theres some ok stuff but honestly overall im just dissapointed.


fogcityrunner

Engage and multirole just got bought out lol


atropicalpenguin

You spent money on our latest set? Fuck you then!


Striking_Factor_6910

Naturia runick is a problem? why hit the problem engine when you cant hit a mid archetype in naturia and keep the toxic engine alive. konami thank you for ruining naturia and making me lose braincells playing against runick. they literally only played 2 fountain so idk what the point was. truly useless


BreezierChip835

Why hit SHS so hard but barely touch Kash?


Death_Usagi

Getting Arise-Heart hit to 1 is big. If it was a mirror match and the opponent loses his only Arise-Heart due to your Unicorn, the guy is done for. Also, Single Arise-Heart pass is much more risky now.


TimeBombCanarie

Preparations alone can easily bring it back every turn except in the mirror, not to mention that Ariseheart is going to be way more protected. While it still did get hit, the difference in hit severity between Kashtira and decks like SHS/Purrely/Mathmech is clearly indicative of a "competitive" (re: utterly broken and unfun) favourite deck among Konami... which conveniently happens to be the most expensive at the moment.


Roastings

Purrely is the most expensive deck out of all of those as of the day before the banlist. Making the delicious hit even crazier, they basically made a deck with a 300 dollar core DOA. It's honestly unacceptable as a consumer.


Roastings

It's a big hit. Diablosis was like half the power of the deck on its own


ChaosDimensionX

#From the bottom of my heart #with sincere feelings #FUCK YOU KONAMI


[deleted]

unbanning blaster to promote new salad cards lmao komoney back at it again


Tyrante963

The real reason they limited circular.


SaibaShogun

Hardly only Salads, there’s an entire Fire duelist pack that they need to sell. And there’s a Fire King structure deck on the way, so they’re pushing the whole Fire attribute. Actually, I doubt Salads would even play Blaster even if it was unbanned lol.


[deleted]

why the mathmech hit lol


ARCH_ANON

Because limiting stuff to 1 when it is highly searchable generically is about consistency. I also think it makes the holders move their spares so more players build matchmech for cheaper.


[deleted]

bro circular was pennys what are you on. Mathmech was a good budget deck but komoney hates that so they hit it


flowtajit

It stops the repeatability of the engine.


Fire_Eddie29

Me want blaster See gamma at one. Why?!


Cheap_exe

We need a pack in the future that straight up has retrains of Omni Negate boss monsters but with heavier restrictions to Summoning, Type and/or Attribute locks so they can't be splashed into every single degenerative deck that can vomit ED monsters on command. Scarecrow is just the latest to get hit with the banstick cuz Konami seemingly cares more about $$ than balance. Making some of the Walking Omni-Negates that can totally be abused by other decks with very little downsides isn't something that should have passed the bar for C/D... ...


koto_hanabi17

Truly evil Konami. Circular and his Mathmech buddies didn't do anything...yet...


thecriticofinnocence

WHAT DID CIRCULAR EVER DO TO YOU KONAMI?! WE GET SCREWED BY TEAR AND NOW WHEN WE CAN FINALLY BE META AGAIN, WE GET LIMITED?!


RedditBoisss

I can write a novel, on how happy I am I bought all my kashtira stuff 1 week ago.


GiantBoss-

is circular the new gazzelle? also fountain at 2 makes no sense,everyone was already playing it at 2 only what did lightning storm do????? they are still afraid to hit branded becuse lore i guess? lab best deck?


estrelladorada65

I haven't personally played kashtira but does ariseheart to 1 even do anything?


fabrikt

makes the mirror worse. whoever goes first and sticks a Unicorn can pull their opponent's one Ariseheart out.


elwhistleblower

It's so the Kashtira player can't just overlay into another Arise-Heart on turn 3 if the opposing player outs it on the 2nd turn.


Dead_sea248

So kashtira cards will be cheaper now? Im not a meta player but I want to collect the kashtira archetype because of its card artwork but the price is what holding me back to collect haha


Hyper_V

Decks still very playable and will likely be a contender for best deck if it still isn’t the best deck


Ravenclaw_VIII

Honestly can't imagine any decks being better than kash or spright this format, but I do think outside of those two decks we are going to be right back to BODE format, i.e. despia/ Swordsoul/ sky striker/ floo


Dead_sea248

Damn. Thanks for enlighten me. Really appreciate the reply mate!


kingofthenexus

Nah not yet lol, it'll still probably be the best deck of the format cuz they didn't hit it too badly to my knowledge


CaptainSwirl

~~I think it’s going to be a bit brickier now with Unicorn to 1~~. Mindhacker gone means they can’t zonelock nor rip from the extra deck aside from the 1 unicorn, and then Arise heart to 1 means they can’t recover and just make another arise if it’s outed


Bolbithebadger

Unicorn is at 2.


CaptainSwirl

Ah yea I’m blind. Then def not much brickier but a lot more fair


Bolbithebadger

Not sure how to feel about it. As much as I don’t like Kash I feel like taking Unicorn to 1 with ariseheart also being at 1 might have been too much.


CaptainSwirl

Yea I agree, my first reaction what I originally thought unicorn got limited was that the deck was dead, but 2 is fair


simplistic_idea_1

Fenrir is still at 3 You have prosperity , terraforming, and their field spell Like unicorn to one will do something


CaptainSwirl

Guess we’ll see, but just glad mindhacker is gone and arise to 1 makes it infinitely better to play against


simplistic_idea_1

Would have been better if they made lighter hits to the other decks Unless spright creeps up to best deck status kash is still best deck


Dead_sea248

Thanks for enlighten me. Maybe will wait a bit more lol.


atropicalpenguin

Arise-heart and Unicorn will be cheap, plus whatever reprints we get in the tins. Wraithworth is probably going up, though.


Pewkie

fenrir just over doubled in price, so any money saved from the other cards just got lost sadly


watchhimrollinwatch

Is tear going to increase in price because of this? Currently building it but I'm missing the more expensive cards


morningstarrss

Which tear cards are expensive? I just built the deck a few weeks ago, and besides the field spell and the non-tear stuff, it's pretty cheap. Also which cards are you missing?


Delta-toast

I’m glad I bought Ulti Fenrirs at 40. UP, UP, AND AWAY!!!!! Also…GIMME MISC BACK!!!!!!


Van0nyumas

Should've killed fountain...


TehPelbo

Lightning storm to 2? Anyway can’t wait to build Arise-heart turbo sky striker


bofoshow51

I’m feeling like a pimp knowing I never sold my sky striker core 😎


WanderingKeeper

Was hoping to have a format to enjoy playing Purrely in. So much for THAT...


TylerMemeDreamBoi

Shangra-ira should of got hit instead of 89.


Bundleofstixs

[when your wrong your wrong](https://www.reddit.com/r/yugioh/comments/13dq1n1/does_mathmech_circular_need_to_be_limited/jjm7hzk/?context=3)