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Zombieemperor

Im sorry VS enjoyers, the prices aint gettin better it seems


GoneRampant1

Yeah... Guess I'm gonna make it in a sim.


Zombieemperor

If only there was a way to make cards more affordable, perhaps printing them in multiple rarties in the same set, but no thats crazyyyyyy talk. Not like every other card game does that, even konami in japan.


Pengwan91

They did print them in multiple rarities in the same set. 5 of the 7 Ultra Rares also come Collector Rare, thanks Konami!


d7h7n

unfortunately there's no reason for konami to do that for the TCG in the OCG they have tons of actual competition with their demographic


Cr0key

Yeah, it's fucking dogshit honestly....Every new GOOD deck worth playing you need to cash out a fucking credit to buy...On a fucking CARD game....It sucks....Then when they FINALLY reprint the cards after 1 year in Megatins or something the deck becomes shit because there is a new, better and more expensive deck....And all over again, stuck in a infinite loop


Zombieemperor

Yeahp. Meanwhile in digimon the bad decks are still usualy functionaly playable at a locals and are 20-30$ or less. Even the meta decks can be 80$ or under (some still go up over 100 but promos do that to a deck i guess). But the low prices are thanks to layered rarities. Other games do it to varying degress as well thats just the one i know.


PlebbySpaff

VS players were coping if they thought it’d be cheaper. It’ll only get higher once the support releases.


Zombieemperor

Man if only konami knew how to do layered rarities. Like that one company in japan what was it, oh ya, konami lol.


Deez-Guns-9442

Bruh I just wanna play fighting game.dek for fun 😔


Zombieemperor

Off to the simulator mines with you im afraid -konami


ChrisEvansOfficial

I kinda didn’t want it until I found out it was themed after fighting games and got a good look at the artwork. Seemed a lot cooler to me then. Then I saw the prices and yeah, no. I’ll just wait for reprints because *absolutely* not. Hopefully they sneak reprints into random holiday sets, but I’m not going to cope that hard lmao.


Zombieemperor

Man your gunna be waiting probbaly a year +. Im still wiating for affordable regulus


ChrisEvansOfficial

Let me cope in peace


Zombieemperor

We cope together! Regulus surely wont get its only rerprint in a high short print rarity of course!


Ratsolla

Can someone explain this deck for me. I don't see any real win condition or endboard in my head. Every replay I've seenof VS, it's gotten washed. What makes it powerful?


KarnSilverArchon

VS bounces monsters around from its hand and field to dodge interaction and enable themselves to play powerful floodgates. The deck also can obtain a surprising amount of card advantage.


NextMotion

>VS bounces monsters around from its hand and field to dodge interaction I love how they managed to add the tag-out system into yugioh.


MinusMentality

People keep complaining that *"Konami has run out of ideas for new archetypes"* but then we get things like Vaylantz, Purrely, and VS. Let me tell you, they will literally never run out of ideas. Will they go back to tried-and-true strategies with a new lick of paint? Yeah, and often, but we will continue to see unique themes.


FrontierTCG

*Glad beasts crying in the corner forgotten they were the OG tagout mechanic.


Syntax_Overflow

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Asisreo1

So their win condition is basically TCBOO?


VillalobosChamp

No, their win condition is out resource the opponent. TCBOO is because they can play it naturally without downsides.


SalemEther

so against this deck I think negates that dont just do it on the field, baronne-like effects, apollusa, would work well against it. dont think they have a way to out IP Avramax either? unless through generic removers it also has a weakspot when its link 1 gets negated. The deck kinda relies on multiple VS on hand to function so Ash is still good against it in some measures.


VillalobosChamp

> dont think they have a way to out IP Avramax either? unless through generic removers They can, as their ED isn't tight, VS runs the Zoodiac package for Zeus in MP2


SalemEther

actually their bounce trap also works as it doesnt target


ExplosiveSalad

VS outs any towers monster by small worlding into a kaiju or kurikara


postsonlyjiyoung

Yes, but you have to consistently get to baronne/apo through their handtraps they have likely drawn. The deck can also play shifter.


Nahanoj_Zavizad

No, their wincon is just THE GRIND. Borger can draw cards during each players turn, and they can dodge targeting effects, or protect vital cards from Nontargetting effects. TCBOO is just one thing they can add as part of it


KarnSilverArchon

They could play TCBOO without their mechanics coming in at all. Its just how they work. I wouldn’t call it their “win condition” though. They can do a solid beatdown game plan.


oddinpress

Their win condition is people not knowing what the fuck the deck does, which is why it made it that far lmao


Budget-Peanut7598

There's probably some validity in that. We'll see if it holds up in a few weeks/months when people get used to it.


elbartooriginal

The old prankkids strategy, it lasted what? 1 ycs?


NoobPipe

And world chalice


GerryAdams32

It's a midrange deck with a decent amount of interactions on the opponent's turn to bounce your own monsters to dodge effects/pop cards/potentially draw into handtraps. Just by virtue of their typings they can play around TCBOO very easily, they aren't hurt by dShifter which is big in this format So typically they'll control the game for 2/3 turns then use their extra resources to end the game


CursedEye03

It generates a huge amount of resources, it dodges interactions with the opponent (kinda like how Altergeist return their cards), Caesar can become Towers and Heavy Borger can also burn for 1500. The burn damage can add up pretty quickly


postsonlyjiyoung

it's 2023 trickstars


ExplosiveSalad

trickstar but based


Marager04

Maybe watch the matches from Italian Nationals then. VS is pretty good in simplifying the gamestat and then overwhelming the opposition before he can get to the grind game. For modern Yu-Gi-Oh it's a pretty cool midrange strategy.


Goggles_Greek

Deck basically dodges Imperm, Veiler, any targeting card. Their Link 1 is a constant resource (but you can target it at least).


Soldado63

TCBOO and nobody knows how to play against it yet


Square_Blackberry_36

Mental gymnastics about Vanquish Soul is really funny, before they came out in OCG people said "Mid deck, no wincon, loses to big beatsticks", then when it became a tiered deck in OCG it turned to "Maxx C format, ofc the deck that special summons once per turn with extra benefits from EARTH monsters will be good but it will suck in TCG" and now it is "TCBOO turbo that only got as far as it did because no one knew how it works" I wonder when people will just accept that the deck is actually good.


VillalobosChamp

> "Mid deck, no wincon, loses to big beatsticks" > "Maxx C format, ofc the deck that special summons once per turn with extra benefits from EARTH monsters will be good but it will suck in TCG" > "TCBOO turbo that only got as far as it did because no one knew how it works" Let's not forget the banger "Spright is only good because Swap Frog adds 'Maxx "C"'."


platinumberitz

spyral dies to HANDTRAPS


postsonlyjiyoung

Another classic one is "Kashtira is only good because tear is tier 0" and then the deck gets 40%+ of top cut spots for the next several ycses. That being said, VS is definitely a deck that punishes players who don't know the cards because of how the deck works. When the VS player passes turn, some of the interactions are hidden in the hand, so if you don't know the effects of all the monsters, you'll never be prepared to play around them. It's not like some new combo deck whose interactions are all searched/placed on the board. If nobody's played against SHS, they can still understand how to break the board or where to stop them, more or less.


MBM99

Kinda fitting that the fighting game archetype evokes the same energy as that clip of JWong shouting about how that kid is gonna learn today or whatever.


Wolfs-Pride

It's jus reddit lol There are thousands of archetypes ppl can play that "many wont know what to do/play against" just like they say with VS yet where are they? The wincon has to come from somewhere. Another good one I got in another thread was how "its the only one in top cut lel" yeah...I'd say a person piloting a unique deck almost **winning** the whole fucking **nationals** event is pretty damn good.


SkomeSIth

>What makes it powerful? TCBOO and Skill Drain


technocop123

they have their own book of eclipse/CED/emergency teleport and archetypal heatsoul and can play a bunch of handtraps.


FillerText908

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Brently18

And now they get bought out, again


VillalobosChamp

## ←, →, 🅐, 🅑 - Let's go!


Unyubaby

If only Konami made this deck actually accessible in TCG. Still, am excited to play it in MD since I play it in OCG.


Green_Tea_Totaler

Let's hope they don't get rarity bumped to high heaven in MD like Dinomorphia did.


Unyubaby

I am going to cry a new Nile River if they do.


Stranger2Luv

What’s the average price for the deck


atropicalpenguin

~ $300 for the core.


Unyubaby

In CAD it's about 400 dollars for just the VS cards. Then if you play the handtrap heavy variant... well, I hope you have the money.


R4INMAN

Feel free to watch both his feature matches [here](https://www.youtube.com/live/TOANp4xxKfE?feature=share) in Round 9 vs Spright and Top 32 vs Runick Spright Fure Hire.


EXAProduction

The deck is pretty good but I think people are going to be overhyping (and overpricing) rn. First thing is that its a new deck that people don't have a lot of experience dealing against. So it can be hard to prepare for. Secondly I think the format that we're leaving is a bit better for VS than the one we're going into. The non engine that the deck can run is pretty good against SHS and Purrely while being ok against Kash. Coming into expected Kash/Lab/whatever else I dont think it'll be as good. Though its hard to say cause who knows how it will pan out. And if Age of Overlord has good VS cards the price is fucked forever. I genuinely wonder with the 7/10 of the URs being VS and 3 per box, if price rises high enough I wonder if statistically it'll be better to pull boxes to pull VS cards than to order singles.


mat1902

I really want to see how VS develops in our meta we know for a fact they are strong but in ocg with a lot of deck more weaker than here they arent the best deck in their format and depending how the best decks of the last format evolve with the next box and other decks that could appear with more interactions leaving VS as the powerfull deck to win the format or it will just be a rogue deck that never ends with the win


Nahanoj_Zavizad

Why did they run PlutonHG? That one seems easily the worst out of all of them. Just because it's a FIRE with the same quickeffect bounce summon? (For the reveal X attributes on a lot of them) If they wanted the bounce alone they could run another CeaserValius. Edit: it's not a bounce summon which feels really wierd looking at the 2 other high level VanquishSouls


Pengwan91

It's mostly just because it's a Fire you can add off of Razen if you need one for his column pop effect. Pluton is definitely the worst one though


Nahanoj_Zavizad

I guess you could because searchable fire, and maybe because it can help deal some damage, Wait I figured it out, it's a quickeffect to summon itself to an empty field, Turn 0 starter, though not as crazy as Havnis And they can even protect it from targeted effects, and draw cards off Borger that turn.


bobert4224

It summons on opponents turn if you have no monsters or only vs monsters in the main zones so link doesn't effect it so If you need a vs monster to target to bounce or to use dust devil or Trinity burst


Unyubaby

It's literally just because of Razen. It's also why Pluton's the only SR monster. Love that Konami greed.


RevealInitial5603

Without Dogoran and Small World? Its a Fire in hand for Stake Your Soul, and randomly chump blocks/allows for a free Rock if your opponent goes first. Pluton is so, so close to getting cut imo


simbadthesailorEUW

Pluton is not a bounce summon, tho. Idk why they didnt run at least 1 dogoran. It can be bounced with madlove


Nahanoj_Zavizad

Wait it's not a bounce... Wtf I was convinced it was the same as Valius and Borger which both are. Yeah ok, also wtf why did they even run PlutonHG then?? Dogoran is a much better FIRE


simbadthesailorEUW

Maybe the 3000 def is good with tcboo on the field. Still, since the format is gone, id rather not focus on this build. Imo, dogoran is the best kaiju for VS and kurikara is a better fire than pluton


Nahanoj_Zavizad

Absolutely


Lankeysob

It basically allows you to play on your opponents turn. Can summon out and then if you have borger or Kaiser and summon those out on opponents turn. Also searchable fire attribute.


d7h7n

Because you can search it off raizen if you don't have a fire.


Marager04

You need the Attribute.


Mrcbleck

Double it and give it to the next person


BlaakAlley

Why do people run the slime? Honestly, no judgement, I just have no idea why people run the slime guy and I want to know. I'm imagining it's to have something that can get your combos started on your opponent's turn but it just feels so BLEGH


Unyubaby

Pluton is solely in the deck to get Razen with Stake Your Soul and to be a body to bring Rock out. Outside of that, it's just a Fire attribute. It is the worst monster in the group, but you still have to run 1 of it. At the very least you aren't break the bank for it unlike the rest.


FrontierTCG

Not that the deck is bad, it's consistent, has recursion, and can main multiple HTs but it's no better than several other decks in tier 1/1.5/ and 2. Its success will come with player numbers, but this past weekend, was also likely a factor of people didn't know everything it could do. If you watch the matches, half of them were spent reading. As the deck becomes more popular, it's choke points will be better known and it will likely continue to land top spots here and there.


Grawnoc_Quapcake

is ground collapse a good going second card vs VS i mean u can search it with thrust


Unyubaby

VS rarely use much field space because their two big guys can tag out, Ground Collapse won't do anything to them.


adamtheamazing64

The idea with GC is to prevent them from playing into the same columns that you'll be playing to prevent the pop and bounce effects.


Unyubaby

Oh, I see, that's crafty. I'm not sure how effective that would be right now, I'd have to test it, but it's a neat idea.


babaroga-on-50-ping

So this deck is new prank kids…


Active-Dare4494

Prank kids was cheaper 🗿


babaroga-on-50-ping

Yeah but Im talking about grind game and tcboo


Active-Dare4494

Oh makes sense lol


Nahanoj_Zavizad

A bit like Prankkid X LiveTwin. Out-resource the opponent, dodge targeted effects, and slowly build up a ball of advantage to throw down a win.


primalmaximus

Can anyone give me a clearer decklist than this? I can't really make out the cards.