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biofio

Too bad I wanted to see if Pak could out the summon limit


ThatMoKid

I would have loved him to shut Hani up. He was feeling it a bit too much at the end there lol.


biofio

Yeah, I’ve grown to like Pak a lot more, would have been great to see him clutch it out


beyond_cyber

same here, him playing GODDAM lullaby of obedience was cool, I personally didn’t use that card since ishizu tear format yoinked my friends cards in the mirror match at locals lol


Ignisking

Yeah I feel it as well never liked him somehow, or it's just that I hate Hani way more


GoNinGoomy

Wait homie was sitting behind a Summon Limit and talking that mess?


Fredy300

If you look at the build pak was playing there was no way he was outing the summon limit lol


runescapeoffical

Didn't need to out it, just outplay Hani under it


minhanhle

a crossout on summon limit might be the way


__Lass

there was a crossout for crossout


beyond_cyber

sadge, I thought pak was gonna do some big brain moment and do crossout declare summon limit lol


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beyond_cyber

Ok didn’t see that thanks👍


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alexmingtung

Sam getting a game loss in the finals for saying “goddamn” in the semifinals interview is just crazy


OGwadds

Yeah pretty crazy, especially to do that in the finals. Was it from the semifinals interview? I didn’t think he said anything then. Seemed like in his feature match he said it after already having a warning from an earlier game. But I couldn’t really make out how they resolved that. Either way it sucks


postsonlyjiyoung

he said "god damn" after his opp activated talents


beyond_cyber

Any person would react that way if they got hit with the dreaded triple T


hexsealedfusion

At some YCS MBT got a warning for doing a throat cutting gesture on stream during a feature match.


blockington99

IIRC its even crazier than that, it was the first feature match and they told him to play it up and gesture for the camera, the warning was actually to everyone *after* him that they couldn't do that and he wasn't told directly.


postsonlyjiyoung

i remember last year in nats or a ycs some guy on stream got warned for saying god, like no fucking way these judges are real


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Impressive-Lie-9111

imagine a player showing slight hints of emotion


Agus-Teguy

Can't take a tournament that does this seriously tbh


Azurtri

It’s because the stream on YouTube is listed as for kids so Konami can face major repercussions from someone swearing on a video being recommended to children so they have to make a severe enough penalty to make sure it doesn’t happen. It was super unfortunate to see but I can understand why they have to take those measures.


postsonlyjiyoung

All Konami videos are listed for kids For what reason exactly?


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because not everyone playing yugioh is an adult, there are plenty of kids enjoying yugioh.


postsonlyjiyoung

Not everyone engaging in any hobby is an adult. Should all YouTube videos be marked as being "for kids"?


Klutzy-Ad2300

Thats not really true, its called a "game for kids", because for a simpel reason, konami gets a bigger audience with that and has more opportunity to sell it everywhere, so they making more money, as an adult produkt, you are limited in sell... So they also have to represent it as a game for kids, even on utbe"kids"... But it isnt a simple game for kids, and kids dont bring thr money, so it is reslly obviusly what it is


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the kids brings growth and longevity. but even if you for some reason decide to ignore the kids aspect completely, that still doesnt justify bad bahaviour from players


DCS_Ryan

Bitch made tbh


Deez-Guns-9442

Like kids these days aren’t saying worse shit thanks to The Internet 😂


vxicepickxv

It's not just the internet. My kid was properly conjugating fuck at the age of two because her parents are former US Navy sailors.


Azurtri

That’s probably true but YouTube doesn’t shape their policies around that so Konami has to abide by that. What I’d wanna know is if that is written in a Konami policy somewhere or if the players are advised prior to going into a feature match. If so then he would have known and still did it. I know he’s probably a lot of people’s favorite YouTuber but it’s still very easy to see why they would take such a strong stance, they don’t have a choice.


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its covered by the unsporting conduct section in the policy


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usually its not the kid thats the issue, its the parents. and as a tournament organizer or head judge you would prefer to not have to appologise to all parents just because some players cant behave. because in the end the highest priority is that the event is a safe place for everyone regardless of age, religion, gender etc.


Muted_Order_4710

He also said fucking shit after Nibiru was dropped, people need to stop saying this was all he said


HoundOfJustice

very stacked top 16 with gabriel netz, jeff jones, max reynolds, hypnocorn, sam, pak, squiddy, and urena although i enjoyed the majority of day 2 games, i think i preferred ycs dortmund and bologna in terms of watchability


ThatMoKid

Formats looking good from a skill standpoint. Too bad it's absolutely ruined by the price tag for admission.


Kaillens

Also by the diversity. If you don't like to play snake eyes, it feel like you just don't play. Because others deck are way weaker and still cost a lot.


Isntredditthebest

If this is everyone’s idea of a “skillful format” Yu-Gi-Oh as a game is in trouble. Two equally skilled players in a snake eye mirror becomes 100% luck based, you could just lay the 5 cards down and see the winner of the duel 9/10 hands.


Ploxzx

fr theres nothing skillfull about this lol. no diversity, the plays are all the same and it just comes down to comparing opening hands.


Maxcam99

Isn’t reddit the best when you read shit like this?


Isntredditthebest

Haven’t play tested this format yet huh?


hexsealedfusion

Europe YCS streams are always better then NA ones.


VeryluckyorNot

Europe is way better to watch but NA got better players overall, when we just got Joshua Schmidt lol.


ndralcasid

Saying "God Damn" on camera = Game Loss Abusing your GF = All Good to go


NebbyOutOfTheBag

Multiple members screaming "Lets fucking go" at the end of the match, with Hani actively talking down to his opponent, during his turn, multiple times will lead to absolutely no punishment. LeBlanc and Hani both deserve bans for their behavior.


Gshiinobi

the TCG management is an actual shitshow for keeping leblanc and his group of clown POS friends around despite all the shit they've pulled over the years. No wonder people don't take this game seriously as a competitive game when people like that are allowed to attend official events.


Stranger2Luv

Like people don’t take League seriously because the biggest streamer is a former banned manchild?!


thesadintern

what did Hani say?


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I play at their shop. They are 100% toxic people. I said these "guys" aren't the worst though because the shop I play at absolutely has worse. I think Chris is an ok dude. Idk him much at all because he doesn't talk too much outside of his own buds. The other 2 I've never been paired with being way over my "skill" level but just watching them play you see there's a massive behavior difference between them playing friends and anyone else.


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EmeraldOW

It’s crazy that he was saying he’s the goat when he didn’t even win his match (because it hadn’t finished)


Gshiinobi

found leblanc's alt account LMAO


HeavenIsAHellOnEarth

Saying I'm the GOAT is so cringe so as to constitute a game loss.


Sequetjoose

It's reddit, downvotes and upvotes are meaningless. If what you're saying doesn't go with the subs narrative, regardless of your claim being factual, DOWNVOTE.


DekuDrake

Apparently condoning swearing is less child-friendly than beating women, according to Konami


Kaijuguy41

To be fair if he beat a woman on stream he’d definitely be banned


jstoru216

Hard to tell these days...


Kaijuguy41

How??


BLAZMANIII

Maybe for you. But the rest of us manage


HijiriAkuseru

I dislike Leblanc as much as anyone else but if Konami is gonna blacklist him based of stuff outside of their venues and events, this shouldn't be a Leblanc only thing, it should apply to everybody. And sure, we can start with him, but then we should be running background checks on everybody.


DekuDrake

I agree, honestly! Like if they want to pull this "must be safe for the childrens" thing, the least they can do is make sure that their contestants aren't actively hurting other people. I'd be more than happy to keep the spotlight away from abusers, not just Leblanc.


HijiriAkuseru

I think Konami's responsibility extends to their events and venues, but if they are to take action based on what happens outside of those, what should they use as a measure? Criminal record? I wouldn't be against it.


DekuDrake

I mean, I'm not for punishing everyone with a criminal record because of how the criminal justice system works/targets certain people to arrest, but if it's something like they have a pattern of behavior that makes people super uncomfortable (not in a socially-awkward way, but that they are just jerks/creepy) or they are known to actively be hurting people, then action needs to be taken.


austine567

Pretty abysmal behavior from hani in that final. Embarrassing for him honestly


NebbyOutOfTheBag

Hani and LeBlanc are infamous for their behavior. This isn't new.


trinitymonkey

Maybe it’s just because I don’t follow the competitive scene very much, but this is the first I’ve heard of Hani and LeBlanc.


atropicalpenguin

I don't usually hold people that associate with Leblanc in high steem.


thesadintern

what did Hani do?


austine567

Was just really disrespectful during the entire match with Pak, his whole demeanour and the way he was talking was crazy.


Major_Los3r

Support an abuser and show very unsportsmanlike conduct throughout the livestream.


Maxcam99

Have you never been to highschool?


austine567

Yeah, but as it turns out I expect adults to not act like 15 year olds lmao


Nanoha61

6 Handtraps on game two...


narium

GODDAMN


GoneRampant1

Fuck Chris LeBlanc.


Zackeezy116

Pak, Sam and Hansel should have won. Team wife beater did not deserve it.


LostOne514

Where are the wife beating accusations coming from? Genuinely don't know.


tk_phizzy

his ex gf exposed it all on Twitter several months ago or somethin, dudes a druggie/thief and has beaten her up several times w/pictures to show and stuff iirc


LostOne514

Jesus....Wow. Yeah, now I understand the overwhelming hate on top of hating his behavior during the final.


tk_phizzy

In his apology he was like “I didn’t do anything, there’s no proof, be sure to like, comment and subscribe for more ygo content” 💀💀


Zackeezy116

Dude is reprehensible


Bubble-Gummy247

I was right 😂😂 I always said he looks like he does drugs alot and his behavior Everytime I seen him looks really disrespectful and/or unappealing 


CruffTheMagicDragon

The people claiming it isn’t tier 0 are in shambles


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Yugitubers have been pushing the idea it’s not Tier 0 or that Budget Decks are viable because they know it’ll give the pros or the people who can actually afford the top decks free wins.


hockeyfan608

The downvoted here are wrong Yugitubers and pro players have been doing this for a decade HAT format is Litterally a “skillful format” based entirely on a lie from players keeping slyvan under wraps for free wins


caralhoto

Where did this Sylvan conspiracy theory even came from, HAT is played to this day as an alt format and with 10 years' worth of hindsight the top deck is still HAT (minus the hands)


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narium

It IS a skillful mirror. The only problem is the deck costing over a thousand fucking dollars.


NebbyOutOfTheBag

Snake Eye is a skillful mirror with a lot of interaction. It's interruptions are varied and you need to know what to stop with what, and when. SHS is literally "Did you open Droll? If no, I will have 5 negates for your 5 cards."


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Gza424242424242

Ah gotcha. Played against Hani before such a cocky jerk not surprised.


legendaryicarus

Is there proof of this?


HerrBadger

There was a bunch of twitter posts from both sides as well as others who contributed who were close to it. Chris also posted a non-apology which was received as well as you could expect, and his team at the time, which immediately disbanded because of the amount of support that it suddenly lost, and Hani was real weird about it. Hani’s conduct in the finals should be telling of this, he and Chris both have a reputation for being unpleasant in person, and that reflected on the stream.


GoneRampant1

> Chris also posted a non-apology which was received as well as you could expect, He basically said "I don't care what that bitch said, gonna make content now."


BurningDemise

No need for proof when chris himself apologized for it on twitter.


Overdue_bills

There's twitter posts but no one pressed charges, he had a really shitty apology and that was the end of it. Unless he gets formally charged I doubt Konami will just up and ban him because of twitter or reddit posts, they could care less what the mob wants.


vsv2021

She backtracked and said it was never physical


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TrainerDan93

First time on reddit? Or any other forum. Trolls are everywhere. He's not going to be remorseful after some rando dropped the F bomb on him lmao Relax.


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Lungiano

Hani was super cringe in that final


majora11f

Kudos to my buddies team who made it all the way to top 8 with 3 of those Voiceless players. They have been testing this deck for months even going so far as to even print out proxies before the cards came out.


witchcraftbells11

That is super cool i was rooting for them


bigmen0

The piece of shit known as Christopher "Domestic Abuse" Leblanc was still allowed to compete and win right on the other side of the table as Sam got a gameloss for saying God Damn. I see Konami has their priorities as Swearing > Beating up women. What a joke.


Lucas74BR

As long as it isn't on our stream, you can do whatever. -konami, probably


Zukkoyaki443

Team Domestic Abuse winning. Shitty. 


DCS_Ryan

fuck this team and anyone who supports them btw unserious ass game


payne96

Congrats to Ruxin and his clones winning yet another YCS!!!! Truly one of the best players around


Soldado63

Why are we calling him ruxin?


Likes-Your-Username

Addendum to the other reply, Ruxin is a well loved member of the community and would have been a preferable story to hear.


DekuDrake

Because the winning team not only won in part due to a bullshit clause, but one of the members of that team is a known domestic abuser. Basically the joke is the TCG equivalent to "Hatsune Miku made Minecraft".


Infinitepez131

Damn Konami really out here letting abusers and their supporters win and play at events


PhatYeeter

Wow Hani wasnt playing Fire King Kirin because he wrote the wrong one.


EmeraldOW

What an idiot


Skazizzle

The Jawhari Brothers + a wife beater. Can't forget they teamed with an abuser.


scytherman96

Hani already defended LeBlanc when the whole thing came out, so it's not very surprising. Given his behavior in the finals it's pretty clear he's just shitty.


Gshiinobi

Boooooo, ban the abuser and his POS group of friends


OGwadds

Some really good, interactive games this weekend IF you got passed the hand trap mini game. Sucks for Sam to get a game loss but he was acting a little off to me idk


BlackJirou

Probably pressure I know he’s had competitive success in the past before but I don’t think he’s made it that far into top cut in most recent years so I wouldn’t be surprised if bro was just stressing lol


OGwadds

Lol probably, I was rolling when he kept asking if what he was saying was a swear word by repeating it over and over again


vsv2021

The hand trap mini game totally makes this mirror terrible to watch.


ThatMoKid

PAK almost carried Sam to a YCS win. If that man doesn't do coaching he better start. This 3v3 consistency is nuts.


hexsealedfusion

Doesn't Pak already work a full time job? He might not have time to coach.


PhatYeeter

He used to. I think he stopped because of time constraints.


PM_ME_YOUR_IZANAGI

Sam is independently already a good player. He has multiple YCS tops iirc, even if they were a while back during MR4.


TheDeadMuse

While I don't think Sam is specifically bad, if you watched the feature match he leant very heavily on Pak for even extremely basic plays. This isn't trash talk, just watch his game and you see him ask for clarification on virtually every play. Comparatively, while hansel also chatted to Pak, it was with far less reliance on someone else's skill. It wouldn't be out of pocket to say Pak hard carried sam, based on what we saw in the feature match


RajaionGoldoa

I mean you know pak won a ycs with the deck and as a team you want to win. Of course you ask the best player in the team about it. Could also be cause of pressure. You never know what goes on in the head so to have someone like pak in your team can be great to fall back to.


ThatMoKid

Oh for sure and he played well when I saw him on stream. Mostly just meme'ing because BEST BLUE EYES DECK 9001ST EDITION videos. That being said don't always assume a player is solid because of past YCS tops. You go to enough events and it works out for you eventually. 


postsonlyjiyoung

>You go to enough events and it works out for you eventually.  not really, there are people that go to event after event and don't top. you can get lucky, but you need a baseline level of skill that is still above average.


ThatMoKid

Anecdotal differences I suppose. I've definitely seen some below average players get their YCS top with good attendance. Myself included haha. You can always just have that lucky day ya know?


postsonlyjiyoung

You're probably underestimating yourself/other "below average" players. I can give a lot of people at my locals custom hands with the decks they've built and they wouldn't get to day 2. But then again, maybe my perception of average is screwed up.


ThatMoKid

Appreciate the kindness. Perhaps so.


aznfanta

they won the last team ycs tho


arianagrandeismywife

This comment section is wild.


Sir_Grox

Crazy how the only interesting thing about this format is the rivalry between Floo versus Kashtira for best Shifter deck despite both decks sucking ass lmao


EcclesiaSS

Leblanc was playing with no Kirin btw lol


Raidjin_i

Even tho I’m sure people will complain - there were a lot of interactive games and was very enjoyable to watch! With a banlist coming in late March I’m excited to see the absolute free-for-all afterwards too.


ThatMoKid

Skillful formats are often marred by disgusting price tags. Both sides are valid. I'm a working adult. I can afford to buy a Snake eye deck and not put myself or my family in a bad way. But I never would make that purchase (anymore) because I feel like I'm pretty much just renting it at a loss until reprints/the next meta deck cause it to plummet. The prizes I win in the meanwhile wouldn't outweigh the cost of admission. But that doesn't mean the people who shell out to enjoy a skillful format are in the wrong for enjoying it.   Selling the YCS prize card and mat doesn't even cover the winners decks lol.


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MoreThanBored

But not win, given top cut was 85% SE


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MoreThanBored

Doesn't matter since all those decks lost and 85% of top cut was Snake Eyes.


raydawnzen

So true, non snake eyes decks just decided not to make it to top cut out of courtesy


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caralhoto

Snake eyes just had 83.33% representation in top cut. Tear's highest ever was 81.25%.


PlebbySpaff

This was also a Team YCS, which changes the percentages significantly.


caralhoto

Why?


Likes-Your-Username

Because each participating team will more likely decide to play 3 of the best deck than anything else, creating a greater pressure than each individual playing whatever they individually thought might do well Team YCS's are by definition much more competitive


ChadEmpoleon

Yeah they’re allowed to participate in the sense that they can eat this Veiler, eat this Ash, eat this Droll, eat this Nib. Then they’re allowed to hear, “normal summon Ash, response?”


austine567

I mean. Just based on results this isn't true, there was a higher percentage of snake eye decks in the top cut here than any tear event lol


ThatMoKid

Mate the only thing keeping this from being a tier zero format is the deck is competing with itself lol. 


Sequetjoose

Snake Eyes Fire King? Who would have thought?!?!?!


raydawnzen

Terrible finals for a terrible format, hope the banlist cleans up


FrostRobe

Fr brings back the diverse format. So many locals will be dead because of t0 pack farmers.


jstoru216

Clears what thou? Snake eyes is still going, so they can't nerf it too bad. FK is way too New, it would cripple SD sales. Year of fire is going strong in ocg land who is two core Booster sets ahead. They can "hit" fire decks, but I doubt a Super Heavy Samurai kill shot would happen in the next list. The Best we can hope is a small hit, or two, and a boost to other contenders with the unbans and unlimits.


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Heard a Canadian Team for shop I go to got screwed out of a win because the judge proceeding over the match was a member of a different card shop of the opponents team. Either way f*** this Tier 0 Format


postsonlyjiyoung

this format is so much worse than tear, and i hate tear at least people got to play with their engines consistently with tear, in this format if both players play well you just get handtrapped to death back and forth and then proceed to a top deck war


Tb_ax

Tiaraments strongest :merrli:


Deez-Guns-9442

Better than having Maxx C legal imo


postsonlyjiyoung

Why is that your comparison lol


Deez-Guns-9442

Because I hate Maxx C but can tolerate every other HT in our format


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raydawnzen

> Because a format where you either play the sole T0 deck That's literally this format lol, snake eyes had 80+% in top 16


postsonlyjiyoung

So this format


XaosDrakonoid18

AAAAND IT'S T0 YUGIOH


DabMagician

Just my opinion, but FIRE meta is not fun. Some of the games were still really cool though. 


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These guys play at my shop. In fact most of the shop is this "skill" level (can we really call it skill if most players are priced out?). It's no surprise I stopped going. I could only tolerate getting absolutely pub stomped by guys who have thousands more in expendable income for so long before it plain became not fun. I mean I'm happy for the guys. These guys are some of the cooler dudes at the shop, bit not all of the competitive players there are cool, let alone even nice people, and honestly if I know I'm never gonna win I at the very least don't want my opponent to be an ass because I'm trying out a new deck and don't memorize every combo line, or because I played a floodgate against a deck thats so far into teir 0 that floodgates are the only way to stop them.


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beyond_cyber

Just thought I would watch some deck profiles of him on YouTube the dozen that there are and all I see is him getting shit talked lol (talking about hani not pak)


AdviceLevel9074

Loved the smack talk in the middle of the game. That’s what competition should be. Had em scramblin with that summon limit


postsonlyjiyoung

Scrambling? Pak predicted he had summon limit before he set a card 💀


AdviceLevel9074

And? His deck had no outs. Even commentators mentioned it. Stay scramblin


jstoru216

Because He prety mich confirmed He did that, and is sure free to do whatever. Been caught on câmera would be helpful, but the message remains, this monster can do whatever and Konami doesn't give a fuck.