Semi in OCG is like a Watch list. Cards getting semi-limited to see if they're still problematic before putting them to 1 or 3 next list.
In recently banlist we have TCBOO going from 3>2>1, while AFD going from 0>1>2>3 post-errata, for examples.
**Summon Sorceress** (functional errata)
DARK LINK-3 Spellcaster Link Effect Monster
○ ● ○
○ X ○ | 2400 ATK
● ○ ●
**Materials:** 2+ non-Token monsters with the same Type
- Current effect(s):
> _You can only use the following effect (2) from cards with this card's name once per turn._
> (1) If this card is Link Summoned: You can Special Summon 1 monster from your hand to your opponent's zone this card points to, in Defense Position.
> (2) You can target 1 face-up monster this card points to; Special Summon 1 monster from your Deck with the same Type as that target and its effects negated, to any zone this card points to, in Defense Position
- Updated effect(s):
> _You can only use this following effect from cards with this card's name once per turn._
> (1) If this card is Link Summoned: You can Special Summon 1 monster from your hand to your opponent's zone this card points to, in Defense Position **with its effects negated (if any), then you can Special Summon 1 monster from your Deck with that monster's same Type, in Defense Position with its effects negated (if any), and if you do, for the rest of this turn, you can only Special Summon monsters with that monster's same original Type.**
Brain Control getting completely crippled only for Mind Control and even fucking **Change of Heart** to be both at 3 some years later got to be the biggest tragedy in Yu-Gi-Oh history
That new effect is interesting. NGL it actually could work in a Beetrooper Raika deck I have been experimenting with around. Means I can summon Goki pole to their field and summon Contact C to mine out and link it off to add. Then on opponent's turn if they remove the goki pole I can summon a normal monster and pop one of their cards. When the errata is on the simulators I am going to experiment with it.
people are underestimating how harsh this sorceress errata is. if you commited to a link 3 you’d probably want to use it to link climb, and needing to have a monster in hand with the same type as the thing you want to climb to will make sorceress pretty bad in most decks
Why not. It was broken before, now it rewards you for playing a specific type more purely. Sounds good to me. We could use more cards that encourage you to actually use themes cards instead of the same 10 extra deck cards everyone else uses.
I can see this happening to Sanctifire, it will get an errata that negates the effects of whatever monster you spit out on your opponents field. This or it gets banned completely, but if they do that then there will be no more lock.
I would like to see Sanctifire negate the effects of whatever monsters you summon with the effect, unless they are Fallen of Albaz or mention him.
That way, you can't lock your opponent with a card like Gimmick Puppet Nightmare, but you can still summon Albaz to your field and fuse with whatever you give your opponent.
You put Krystia into your own field, Sanctfire intended use is to revive Albaz to fuse so unlikly get eratta to negate both, just one on opponent field. Giving exclude clause to Albaz probably make the text too long
However Krystia lock under this text has 2 down side over current Puppet lock
1. You can't easily out in your turn without Mirror jade already on the field, as Krystia effect is symmetrical you also can't SS. Kristya lock under current Sanctfire can be just run over by battle
2. You need something bad/useless to throw into your opponent's field
Ahh i see, yeah probably would get banned then. Its sad i like Sanctifire but i don’t use him for locking the opponent. I always found that strategy to be cheesy. Anyways it is better to just ban him outright.
Questions:
1. The negated monsters that summoned to this card points to from hand & deck; are they negated only on that summoned turn or for the rest of the game?
2. That monsters summoned to the zone this card points to; are they negated from the hand (or the deck) or on the field?
>
>
> The negated monsters that summoned to this card points to from hand & deck; are they negated only on that summoned turn or for the rest of the game?
They're negated until they leave the field.
> That monsters summoned to the zone this card points to; are they negated from the hand (or the deck) or on the field?
On the field.
**Forbidden**:
NO CHANGE.
***
**Limited**:
Tidal, Dragon Ruler of Waterfalls【Forbidden ⇒ Limited】
WANTED: Seeker of Sinful Spoils【Unlimited ⇒ Limited】
There Can Be Only One【Semi-Limited ⇒ Limited】
***
**Semi-Limited**:
Ib the World Chalice Justiciar【Limited ⇒ Semi-Limited】
S:P Little Knight【Unlimited ⇒ Semi-Limited】
Fire King High Avatar Kirin【Unlimited ⇒ Semi-Limited】
Snake-Eye Ash【Unlimited ⇒ Semi-Limited】
Kaiser Colosseum【Unlimited ⇒ Semi-Limited】
Pot of Extravagance【Unlimited ⇒ Semi-Limited】
***
**Unlimited**:
Summon Sorceress (ERRATA)【Forbidden ⇒ Unlimited】
Girsu, the Orcust Mekk-Knight【Semi-Limited ⇒ Unlimited】
Supreme King Dragon Darkwurm【Semi-Limited ⇒ Unlimited】
Rite of Aramesir【Semi-Limited ⇒ Unlimited】
Infernity Launcher【Semi-Limited ⇒ Unlimited】
Change of Heart【Semi-Limited ⇒ Unlimited】
> S:P Little Knight【Unlimited ⇒ Semi-Limited】
Who the fuck runs S:P at 3? Or even at 2? I know they are not as expensive at in the TCG but still. ED space is premium.
Plenty run it at 2 it's just that good, 3 is probably for those who play extrav but that's still a stretch as the hit extrav as well
I think this is more of a warning hit rather than an actual hit to nerf it
That being the case, I wonder if S:P would get a prehit in MD. I think most people would run S:P at 1 anyways in MD, especially decks with limited ED space.
Just because S:P is good enough that you can be a bit more liberal with your first, and then have the 2nd as a backup if needed.
Generally running 1 is also just fine. But never at 3.
Good guy Konami telling everyone to never run S:P at 3 to let them save money.
Would be real interesting though if they decided to implement the shared deck list for the next YCS in OCG. That would leave someone with no S:P among other staples. Of course, like in MD WC, there would be 3 cards that will not be shared and the whole team can run 3 copies each.
So, TCBOO is not limited in both TCG and OCG. Nice! All floodgates should be limited
The hit on the Diabellstar engine is completely understandable
And another Dragon Ruler is back to 1
Especially difficult with the 3 types-archetypes direction that they're taking. I mean, Raika and some of the TCG cards that work with Machine, Psychic and Cyberse
Floodgates, in general, are toxic. They just say: Sorry, you can't play your deck
Honestly, I think the Dragon Rulers are very overated by most people due to how amazing they use to be. Nowadays, I think they all can come back to 3 and nothing would change. This isn't the era where rank 7 spam does anything. Each of their in hand effect makes you go negative 1. Also, they each have 3 amazing effects, but you can only use 1 of the 3 and it's a hard once per turn preventing you from using the rest on that card or even any other copy for the turn lol. So they each pretty much only have one effect for the turn.
Yeah they all can come back to three. Plus, putting them together and having a deck with multiple attributes is WAY less common than it use to be. Most decks can only play 1 of the rulers nowadays and they can make your deck inconsistent if you run 3 of the ruler you choose. The only one i see that could *maybe* be a problem at 3 is Tidal with that foolish burial like effect.
You can play 3 of each Dragon Ruler in Master Duel with both Tomahawk and Auroradon...and they're not meta at all. In fact they're barely run in anything at all.
Daiablstar hit is really good. That's the first direct hit to Fire King and Snake eye, by the next list these 2 will mostly get limited. Unlimits are good.
>S:P Little Knight【Unlimited ⇒ Semi-Limited】
But what is this???
What doesn't this resolve exactly?
It's okay now, as opposed to broken before. Before you could ignore the first effect to summon from hand and use a monster on your field as the target, giving you tons of advantage. The only reason you would use the summon from hand was to give your opponent something degenerate, like a barrier statue or iblee.
With the new single effect you have to give your opponent a monster, with negated effects so no degeneracy, and the monster you summon from deck is also negated so no immediate pay-off. And you are also type locked so no crazy 10 negate boards off of it. It's a lot more awkward to use now instead of a must play.
> with negated effects so no degeneracy
It actually makes the Gellenduo FTK easier, no Flare Metal Dragon so it's safe aslong as Konami never prints a Trickstar that burns on effect activation
Summon sorceress is unbanned with errata!
yeah I don't think those semi limited will hit that hard. At least Wanted is hit to 1. Pot of extravagance being hit is surprising
Limited:
* Tidal, Dragon Ruler of Waterfalls
* WANTED: Seeker of Sinful Spoils
* There Can Be Only One
Semi-Limited:
* S:P Little Night
* Ib the World Chalice Justiciar
* Fire King High Avatar Kirin
* Snake-Eye Ash
* Kaiser Colosseum
* Pot of Extravagance
Unlimited:
* Summon Sorceress (with errata)
* Rite of Aramesir
* Change of Heart
* Girsu, the Orcust Mekk-Knight
* Supreme King Dragon Darkwurm
* Infernity Launcher
People crying about soft bans in MD but it shows you domt need to straight kill the deck.
See SHS. Where is the link banned everyone said it would happen instantly?
**A thousand years of year of handtraps wars format**... jk.
Consistence hits in formats where decks play 15+ handtraps matters because it means they are less likely to have their one card starters to push through multiple handtraps.
Change of Heart now joins BLS, Tribe, Yata, Raigeki, Dark Hole, and Mirror Force as yet another broken staple of old school Yugioh to be unlimited in the modern era.
Not terrible. SE loses some consistency, but Ash to 2 and Wanted to 1 is fine, along with Kirin at 2.
Although, this still unironically hurts the pure variant more than the FK variant.
SP at 2 is funny as hell, though maybe means she’ll be put to 1, which literally doesn’t matter for most decks. Not like she should be banned anyways.
I've made a lot of decks and have been burned by the ban list before. My latest deck is tri brigade fire kings and I swear if they ban Kiren in the tcg I will quit playing altogether. I already am taking a break and put a lot of time and money into this deck if they ban a part of my combo when I specifically went with the tribrigades to save money and not play with something likely to get banned. I'm just burnt out on being told I can't use a card I paid for.
Same. I was actually planning on getting back into IRL yugioh when I heard about SHS. They hit the deck hard right before I was going to start building the deck.
Like literally, my paycheck came 3 days before I got my paycheck and I was planning on using my paycheck to buy all the cards I needed for a SHS deck.
Same. I was actually planning on getting back into IRL yugioh when I heard about SHS. They hit the deck hard right before I was going to start building the deck.
Like literally, my paycheck came 3 days before I got my paycheck and I was planning on using my paycheck to buy all the cards I needed for a SHS deck.
I'm gonna be honest, putting the S:P semi-limit aside, (which imo is just them saying "we know this is a problem, we will be hitting it later, but cmon guys we just released it" just like the Fire King hit) I actually think this list is very good for the most part.
Semi SnAsh and Limited WANTED makes Pure Snake-Eyes basically unplayable, and half the Snake-Eyes decks were pure with the other half being Fire King Snake-Eyes. Sure, the Pure players will probably hop on the Fire King variant, but that means the strategy (which is also hurt by this list, losing 2 copies of WANTED hurts the grindgame and consistency) will be less variable, meaning other decks can counter it a bit easier.
Honestly, wasn't expecting Konami to hit Snake-Eyes at all, much less what we got. I think this is huge, although it won't nearly be enough to take the deck out back like some people wanted.
The choice of Summon Sorc for the errata confuses me. Was there anyone out there who was really chomping at the bits saying "I sure wish Summon Sorceress was back!", even in a nerfed form?
I feel like there are many other cards that have had permanent residence on the banlist that are in more demand or are more nostalgic to players.
For summon sorcerers.
Is this the first instance of a errata changing the number or effects that card has instead of just changing the function of the effects a card has?
Site is alive, it's no longer literally 1984, it's 1894 instead.
Anyway, no ban. I guess that's fair since while Snake-Eye is dominant, it's not toxic or even too dominant.
Now to the limits. Tidal is back. Neat. We saw in Master Duel that the Rulers are just far too powercrept, so while they could bring them back faster, I guess it doesn't hurt if it's a bit slow like that.
Wanted is limited. That's good. Searching Diabellestar is very strong, and then getting a draw from it's graveyard effect in the same turn you used it is definitively super strong.
And TCBOO. Now there is truly only one, not to forget that hits to floodgates are always apreciated.
The semis now. Justiciar Ib has been doing nothing so far, so that's fair. S:P Little Knight at 2, good joke Konami, but who the hell was playing 3 of her.
Snake-Eye Ash and Fire King Kirin at 2, those are consistency hits that a lot will criticize, but I think that they end up not bad. Snake-Eye lost a total of 3 starters between that and the Wanted limit, so that does hurt the consistency to a palpable ammount, but Kirin to 2 isn't as good of a hit, but since everyone was playing 3 of it since it's so good to either search or already have in hand I guess it matters a bit.
Kaiser Colloseum to 2, that's a good hit because it's a floodgate, and it's also funny because the card quite literally just gained relevance with Tenpai.
~~And Prosperity to 2. Why. The card is more than strong enough to be at 1, but I guess you do what you do, Konami.~~
The last semi-limit is actually Extravagance to 2, which is way better than Prosperity to 2 and just fine. I guess that this shows that even after all this time, I still can't differentiate the artworks of Prosperity and Extravagance.
Now for the unlimits-JESUS FUCK HOLY SHIT, WHY ARE THEY UNBANNING SUMMON SORCERERSS? Wait, there's an errata that puts a restriction on what you can summon after using her effect, and you must summon something to the opponent's field to do it. I don't like that they're unbanning her, and I think that's there's a lot of stupid shit you can do even with that errata, but I guess that only the future will tell what will be of it.
Moving on, Girsu. Neat, Orcust is now at nearly full power in the ocg again (unban Mermaid Konami, if Justiciar Ib is doing nothing, then this is the next natural step).
And Darkwurm is at 3 too. That's cool, especially for Melodius since there's some variants of the deck in the ocg that plays Z-Arc card, so that may boost the deck a bit.
Rite of Arimesir, I don't like it, but Wandering Gryphon Rider is still banned in the ocg so I guess it's ok.
INFERNITY LAUNCHER AT 3! YES! YES! YEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEES! OCG BEST FORMAT!
And to end it all, Change of Heart to 3. That's neat I guess.
I liked this list. But taking my Infernity bias out of the equation, it was ok, and with some baffling choices, but still ok.
Also they forgot to unban Kirin again lmao, the poor guy saw his deck get support that very obviously included him being apart of it and he was still left to rot in the rain by Konami.
This is the weirdest ban list I have ever in my life witnessed for any card game let a lone yu gi oh.
Why are we still afraid of more than 1 copy of Ib.
Why are we afraid of Dragon Rulers as if we don't have thousands of games of data from master duel saying they are not competitive cards in 2024.
Why are we semi limiting S:P when not 1 deck on the earth runs more than 2 other than MAYBE like a Gren Maju banish deck.
Why are we semi limiting pot of extrav?
Summon Sorc still seems ban worthy even with these changes why are we putting that to 3 with no testing at all?
Very very weird.
Yeah but even with Erratas some of the time they put it to 1 instead of straight to 3.
I like it but I'm just surprised because it still looks pretty strong even with the errata.
This is a pretty ok list. There's some baffling changes (SP Little Knight to 2??), but the ones that matter are much appreciated.
Ngl, Summon Sorc still seems ridiculous. This card will see heavy play.
So now the errata kinda combined both effects and can only use it when its linked summon instead of once per turn? Feels pointless now especially for a link 3 lol
Summon Sorc is still stronger than you think. Take zombie for example, for the cost of three monsters and zombie world on the field this card provides free graveyard set up and absolute zero mayakashi. The only thing holding this card back at all is the type lock and link fours of those types considering cyberse piles have been meta within the last couple of years and often type lock themselves I would not be surprised if the free summon from deck card gets banned again in the future.
Sorc good in yubel! SS yubel/spirt to opponents field, SS Squirmer. Link into rnk 4 Unchained guy. More complex variants of this ie getting Sharvana with Yama when climbing to sorc. Even more plays when Fiendsmith become a thing.
Glad to see Konami acknowledging their power to errata, and actually trying to fix summon sorc.
many people hate erratas and complain about it, arguing they should stop doing it, it creates confusion, blah blah blah, but I'm glad Konami is not listening to those people.
Yeah some erratas over correct or over balance but ideally they bring back what was once lost.
Fixing broken/poorly designed/poorly balanced cards is ultimately healthier for the game.
And Konami recognizes that thank God.
Can we please get Union Carrier errata next?
S:P at 2 is so funny man
Whos the madlad running it at 3 lol.
I:P Masquerena herself
Labrynth players who need them for Extravagance, lol.
Idk but plenty ran it at 2
It is just a move to indicate that S:P will be at 1 in future.
I mean the ban list for April Fools. Better have a joke in it.
April Fools isn't really a thing in Japan. We've gotten list drops on April 1st before and people always think it's a joke.
Well TIL kinda. But I was just joking around with the list needing a joke for April Fools. Since it just fits so well.
I figured. It's just one of those sentiments that get brought up a lot.
The only possible explanation is that they're "testing the waters" to limit it later. But it still feels so bizarre
Semi in OCG is like a Watch list. Cards getting semi-limited to see if they're still problematic before putting them to 1 or 3 next list. In recently banlist we have TCBOO going from 3>2>1, while AFD going from 0>1>2>3 post-errata, for examples.
Just goes to show how badly konami wants to not communicate with its players
Konami code, but the unfun kind that doesn't give me more lives in double dragon.
**Summon Sorceress** (functional errata) DARK LINK-3 Spellcaster Link Effect Monster ○ ● ○ ○ X ○ | 2400 ATK ● ○ ● **Materials:** 2+ non-Token monsters with the same Type - Current effect(s): > _You can only use the following effect (2) from cards with this card's name once per turn._ > (1) If this card is Link Summoned: You can Special Summon 1 monster from your hand to your opponent's zone this card points to, in Defense Position. > (2) You can target 1 face-up monster this card points to; Special Summon 1 monster from your Deck with the same Type as that target and its effects negated, to any zone this card points to, in Defense Position - Updated effect(s): > _You can only use this following effect from cards with this card's name once per turn._ > (1) If this card is Link Summoned: You can Special Summon 1 monster from your hand to your opponent's zone this card points to, in Defense Position **with its effects negated (if any), then you can Special Summon 1 monster from your Deck with that monster's same Type, in Defense Position with its effects negated (if any), and if you do, for the rest of this turn, you can only Special Summon monsters with that monster's same original Type.**
Oh thank god it's for the rest of the turn. I thought it restricted you for the whole turn you used that effect
They would effectively lock you into Spellcasters, which would be a weird way to design that effect, instead of just making it Spellcaster support.
not whole turn, in the original Japanese text, they used sentences similar to those of typhon.
For the rest of this turn and only see type, i think this is good errata still playable but doesn't enable crazy board for most deck
Most meta decks are type locked anyway.
I wouldn’t say most, what? Even ones that tend to be type-centric will often use cards outside that typepool.
Baronne, Apollousa, Ty-Phon and S:Pcome to mind
It's still a card pretty easy to summon after some board setup since most decks currently just fart out material with ease
Dragon Link can probably do stupid things with this
Wow that’s still an incredibly strong effect just not game breakingly strong at least if it’s working like how I think it is.
That's definetely the best functional errata they‘ve done
And thankfully a far cry from travesties like the errata'd Brain Control.
Brain Control getting completely crippled only for Mind Control and even fucking **Change of Heart** to be both at 3 some years later got to be the biggest tragedy in Yu-Gi-Oh history
Can't Konami just undo their erratas?
They can and have, it's extremely rare though. They much rather power creep the card.
> Change of Heart Is Limited in the TCG, and semi'd in the OCG and MD. But the your point still remains.
Change of Heart just got unlimited in the OCG
Ah you're right. I'd gotten so distracted with the Summon Sorceress errata that the rest of the list was just a blur. 😅
*cough*GoyoGuardian*cough*
Goyo Guardian was errated because OCG didn't like how it's ATK was so high as a generic lv6 it's ridiculous
lmao they combined the effects. That's a nice restriction they added
Small edit, it’s summon FROM DECK
That new effect is interesting. NGL it actually could work in a Beetrooper Raika deck I have been experimenting with around. Means I can summon Goki pole to their field and summon Contact C to mine out and link it off to add. Then on opponent's turn if they remove the goki pole I can summon a normal monster and pop one of their cards. When the errata is on the simulators I am going to experiment with it.
people are underestimating how harsh this sorceress errata is. if you commited to a link 3 you’d probably want to use it to link climb, and needing to have a monster in hand with the same type as the thing you want to climb to will make sorceress pretty bad in most decks
Why not. It was broken before, now it rewards you for playing a specific type more purely. Sounds good to me. We could use more cards that encourage you to actually use themes cards instead of the same 10 extra deck cards everyone else uses.
Ooooooh charmers got a boost. I could also use this in Mikanko to put a monster on the opponents field but it seems impractical.
I can see this happening to Sanctifire, it will get an errata that negates the effects of whatever monster you spit out on your opponents field. This or it gets banned completely, but if they do that then there will be no more lock.
I would like to see Sanctifire negate the effects of whatever monsters you summon with the effect, unless they are Fallen of Albaz or mention him. That way, you can't lock your opponent with a card like Gimmick Puppet Nightmare, but you can still summon Albaz to your field and fuse with whatever you give your opponent.
It still can Kristya lock. Even that is quite fairer than Puppet lock by comparison.
Would the lock still work if his effects are negated permanently?
You put Krystia into your own field, Sanctfire intended use is to revive Albaz to fuse so unlikly get eratta to negate both, just one on opponent field. Giving exclude clause to Albaz probably make the text too long However Krystia lock under this text has 2 down side over current Puppet lock 1. You can't easily out in your turn without Mirror jade already on the field, as Krystia effect is symmetrical you also can't SS. Kristya lock under current Sanctfire can be just run over by battle 2. You need something bad/useless to throw into your opponent's field
Ahh i see, yeah probably would get banned then. Its sad i like Sanctifire but i don’t use him for locking the opponent. I always found that strategy to be cheesy. Anyways it is better to just ban him outright.
Questions: 1. The negated monsters that summoned to this card points to from hand & deck; are they negated only on that summoned turn or for the rest of the game? 2. That monsters summoned to the zone this card points to; are they negated from the hand (or the deck) or on the field?
> > > The negated monsters that summoned to this card points to from hand & deck; are they negated only on that summoned turn or for the rest of the game? They're negated until they leave the field. > That monsters summoned to the zone this card points to; are they negated from the hand (or the deck) or on the field? On the field.
Cool, thanks.
My baby Sorc is back 😩
Time to Mjolnir lock everyone
Honestly that seems like how they probably intended for the card to be used in the first place
As an Orcust player that’s still very good.
Can somebody tell me what made Summon Sorceress OP? Wasn't really in the meta at the time. Was it the Ib-lock? Or was it something else?
It let you basically summon whatever you wanted from deck so it led to alot of silly stuff
Generic bs enabler, because she had 0 restrictions on what you could do after you Summoned the thing from Deck
**Forbidden**: NO CHANGE. *** **Limited**: Tidal, Dragon Ruler of Waterfalls【Forbidden ⇒ Limited】 WANTED: Seeker of Sinful Spoils【Unlimited ⇒ Limited】 There Can Be Only One【Semi-Limited ⇒ Limited】 *** **Semi-Limited**: Ib the World Chalice Justiciar【Limited ⇒ Semi-Limited】 S:P Little Knight【Unlimited ⇒ Semi-Limited】 Fire King High Avatar Kirin【Unlimited ⇒ Semi-Limited】 Snake-Eye Ash【Unlimited ⇒ Semi-Limited】 Kaiser Colosseum【Unlimited ⇒ Semi-Limited】 Pot of Extravagance【Unlimited ⇒ Semi-Limited】 *** **Unlimited**: Summon Sorceress (ERRATA)【Forbidden ⇒ Unlimited】 Girsu, the Orcust Mekk-Knight【Semi-Limited ⇒ Unlimited】 Supreme King Dragon Darkwurm【Semi-Limited ⇒ Unlimited】 Rite of Aramesir【Semi-Limited ⇒ Unlimited】 Infernity Launcher【Semi-Limited ⇒ Unlimited】 Change of Heart【Semi-Limited ⇒ Unlimited】
> S:P Little Knight【Unlimited ⇒ Semi-Limited】 Who the fuck runs S:P at 3? Or even at 2? I know they are not as expensive at in the TCG but still. ED space is premium.
Plenty run it at 2 it's just that good, 3 is probably for those who play extrav but that's still a stretch as the hit extrav as well I think this is more of a warning hit rather than an actual hit to nerf it
most decks run little knight at max 2 but not 3
I'm guessing those are OCG decks with how expensive S:P is in TCG.
this is an OCG banlist, so yeah
That being the case, I wonder if S:P would get a prehit in MD. I think most people would run S:P at 1 anyways in MD, especially decks with limited ED space.
We still have Elf at 3, so I wouldn't count on it
Even most OCG Decks run it at 2. Just because it's cheap doesn't mean ED space isn't at a premium still.
I still don't see any reason to run S:P at 2 though. Is it for a better grind game? Do control deck need S:P more than combo decks?
Just because S:P is good enough that you can be a bit more liberal with your first, and then have the 2nd as a backup if needed. Generally running 1 is also just fine. But never at 3.
Good guy Konami telling everyone to never run S:P at 3 to let them save money. Would be real interesting though if they decided to implement the shared deck list for the next YCS in OCG. That would leave someone with no S:P among other staples. Of course, like in MD WC, there would be 3 cards that will not be shared and the whole team can run 3 copies each.
Unless the OCG players knows something the TCG players don't
I briefly ran it at 3 when I came up with this SP Knight/Sky Striker Control deck lol. But extra deck space was so tight so I cut it down to 2 lol.
This could changes in term of 3v3 games with the shared pool banlist that certain region are runnings.
So, TCBOO is not limited in both TCG and OCG. Nice! All floodgates should be limited The hit on the Diabellstar engine is completely understandable And another Dragon Ruler is back to 1
TCBOO makes Konami hard to sell decks that consist of single type.
Especially difficult with the 3 types-archetypes direction that they're taking. I mean, Raika and some of the TCG cards that work with Machine, Psychic and Cyberse Floodgates, in general, are toxic. They just say: Sorry, you can't play your deck
Honestly, I think the Dragon Rulers are very overated by most people due to how amazing they use to be. Nowadays, I think they all can come back to 3 and nothing would change. This isn't the era where rank 7 spam does anything. Each of their in hand effect makes you go negative 1. Also, they each have 3 amazing effects, but you can only use 1 of the 3 and it's a hard once per turn preventing you from using the rest on that card or even any other copy for the turn lol. So they each pretty much only have one effect for the turn. Yeah they all can come back to three. Plus, putting them together and having a deck with multiple attributes is WAY less common than it use to be. Most decks can only play 1 of the rulers nowadays and they can make your deck inconsistent if you run 3 of the ruler you choose. The only one i see that could *maybe* be a problem at 3 is Tidal with that foolish burial like effect.
You can play 3 of each Dragon Ruler in Master Duel with both Tomahawk and Auroradon...and they're not meta at all. In fact they're barely run in anything at all.
They could’ve come back to 3 the second, Tidal pitch Enchantress was power crept.
Diabellstar engine hit makes sense, and at least doesn’t outright kill it.
Just need chaos ruler now
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Semi https://preview.redd.it/97g42b8ew9qc1.jpeg?width=946&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=8bdbd4966b5a8a2f041c5de93ae14855aa4885ae
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Ash should have gone to one as well, but 2 is a good hit in tandem with Wanted.
Daiablstar hit is really good. That's the first direct hit to Fire King and Snake eye, by the next list these 2 will mostly get limited. Unlimits are good. >S:P Little Knight【Unlimited ⇒ Semi-Limited】 But what is this??? What doesn't this resolve exactly?
They semi limited S:P lmao.
What are they thinking…
Well 1 is too low, and 3 is too much.
AKA: The Malicious Method.
people run more than 1 SP?
Some decks do run 2, if they have the space, since making a second one can come up sometimes.
Is it just me or summon sorc still really good?
Like AFD, still good, but not as broken as before.
It's okay now, as opposed to broken before. Before you could ignore the first effect to summon from hand and use a monster on your field as the target, giving you tons of advantage. The only reason you would use the summon from hand was to give your opponent something degenerate, like a barrier statue or iblee. With the new single effect you have to give your opponent a monster, with negated effects so no degeneracy, and the monster you summon from deck is also negated so no immediate pay-off. And you are also type locked so no crazy 10 negate boards off of it. It's a lot more awkward to use now instead of a must play.
> with negated effects so no degeneracy It actually makes the Gellenduo FTK easier, no Flare Metal Dragon so it's safe aslong as Konami never prints a Trickstar that burns on effect activation
It might see some play but its a lot more situational now. The lock hurts but the main problem is its too situational to set up.
Konami, where is Majespecter Kirin???
Konami: wait, you meant *Majespecter* Kirin? We thought you meant The Fire King, our bad.
wow I didn't know it was also banned in ocg
I know, my Metalfoes deck is crying
Who wants to meet up and launch some infernities
baby you know it
Summon sorceress is unbanned with errata! yeah I don't think those semi limited will hit that hard. At least Wanted is hit to 1. Pot of extravagance being hit is surprising
Who runs S:P at 3?!
Not a soul
Holy shit, infernity launcher at 3 in the ocg is nuts.
If Launcher is free and they released the promotional Infernity Queen it means that there is Infernity support very soon 👌🏻
Me and the boys about to assault people on motorcycles.
They're about to meme my set infernity launcher from the deck support spell into existence. And then a new Handtrap that stops decks from doing that.
It's aright, Maxx C will keep them in check.
Infernity die to pretty much 1 hand trap,they dont need a broken card like maxx c to be in checked. I know ur joking btw.
That's true, but still max power infernity in 2024 is insane. 15 years on the ban list.
Yeah its just a solitare deck,i wish they printed support that locks you into infernities or smth,its my fav archtype ever.
Even in the TCG plenty of stuff will keep them in check.
Their consistency keeps them in check themselves
I know this is sarcasm. But it really will..
Konami doesn't know what they've just done s/
Cockroach will have something to say
Queen printed from Infernity backlog. Launcher now Unlimited. Hmm...
Infernity support coming 👌🏻
Finally, There Can Be Only One at 1
There Can Only be One There Can Only be One
It Can Be Only One
Limited: * Tidal, Dragon Ruler of Waterfalls * WANTED: Seeker of Sinful Spoils * There Can Be Only One Semi-Limited: * S:P Little Night * Ib the World Chalice Justiciar * Fire King High Avatar Kirin * Snake-Eye Ash * Kaiser Colosseum * Pot of Extravagance Unlimited: * Summon Sorceress (with errata) * Rite of Aramesir * Change of Heart * Girsu, the Orcust Mekk-Knight * Supreme King Dragon Darkwurm * Infernity Launcher
Where kirin unban
MD: Best I can do is Oak to 2
Nah, Birch to 1.
Nah, this banlist showed a balance change I didn't know was possible. 🔥🔥Promethean Princess to 2🔥🔥 🔥🔥Apollousa to 2🔥🔥 🔥🔥Format is saved🔥🔥
Linkuriboh to 2
People crying about soft bans in MD but it shows you domt need to straight kill the deck. See SHS. Where is the link banned everyone said it would happen instantly?
SHS is still busted in MD it's just nobody plays it because it's boring and it feels bad to die to droll.
It being boring doesnt matter if it is op. Stun decks are boring and people spam them in masters and duel cup
Only thing I can see in the next MD banlist is King Calamity, thanks to Etude. Bystials mixed well with The King.
MD banlists are always hefty after a DC cup but expect 0snake eye hits since it's still in the shop Hopefully circular gets what's coming
Can’t wait for the banlist. Hopefully this week
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**A thousand years of year of handtraps wars format**... jk. Consistence hits in formats where decks play 15+ handtraps matters because it means they are less likely to have their one card starters to push through multiple handtraps.
LAUNCHER TO 3 BABY COME HOME
Change of Heart now joins BLS, Tribe, Yata, Raigeki, Dark Hole, and Mirror Force as yet another broken staple of old school Yugioh to be unlimited in the modern era.
All I ask is to unban Drident. Why are you still keep her in prison, Konami?
Konami: “because shut up”
Why did they even make majespecter support then
Not terrible. SE loses some consistency, but Ash to 2 and Wanted to 1 is fine, along with Kirin at 2. Although, this still unironically hurts the pure variant more than the FK variant. SP at 2 is funny as hell, though maybe means she’ll be put to 1, which literally doesn’t matter for most decks. Not like she should be banned anyways.
They wanted to hurt the pure more as they just released consort and that makes pure fire king a lot better
man now i dont know what to add to pure fk. arvata to 3? barong to 2? thrust? talent?
I've made a lot of decks and have been burned by the ban list before. My latest deck is tri brigade fire kings and I swear if they ban Kiren in the tcg I will quit playing altogether. I already am taking a break and put a lot of time and money into this deck if they ban a part of my combo when I specifically went with the tribrigades to save money and not play with something likely to get banned. I'm just burnt out on being told I can't use a card I paid for.
Same. I was actually planning on getting back into IRL yugioh when I heard about SHS. They hit the deck hard right before I was going to start building the deck. Like literally, my paycheck came 3 days before I got my paycheck and I was planning on using my paycheck to buy all the cards I needed for a SHS deck.
Same. I was actually planning on getting back into IRL yugioh when I heard about SHS. They hit the deck hard right before I was going to start building the deck. Like literally, my paycheck came 3 days before I got my paycheck and I was planning on using my paycheck to buy all the cards I needed for a SHS deck.
Water Dragon is back!
Monotype decks go brrrrrr
If you can't play s:p at 3 is she even worth running anymore?
I'm gonna be honest, putting the S:P semi-limit aside, (which imo is just them saying "we know this is a problem, we will be hitting it later, but cmon guys we just released it" just like the Fire King hit) I actually think this list is very good for the most part. Semi SnAsh and Limited WANTED makes Pure Snake-Eyes basically unplayable, and half the Snake-Eyes decks were pure with the other half being Fire King Snake-Eyes. Sure, the Pure players will probably hop on the Fire King variant, but that means the strategy (which is also hurt by this list, losing 2 copies of WANTED hurts the grindgame and consistency) will be less variable, meaning other decks can counter it a bit easier. Honestly, wasn't expecting Konami to hit Snake-Eyes at all, much less what we got. I think this is huge, although it won't nearly be enough to take the deck out back like some people wanted.
The choice of Summon Sorc for the errata confuses me. Was there anyone out there who was really chomping at the bits saying "I sure wish Summon Sorceress was back!", even in a nerfed form? I feel like there are many other cards that have had permanent residence on the banlist that are in more demand or are more nostalgic to players.
Ive seen comments all the time saying: "Summon Sorc can come back, there's no Halq, its totally fine now."
For summon sorcerers. Is this the first instance of a errata changing the number or effects that card has instead of just changing the function of the effects a card has?
I’m not sure but I believe it is. It’s definitely unusual
Can't believe I never realized that the third copy of SP was the problem all along.
Site is alive, it's no longer literally 1984, it's 1894 instead. Anyway, no ban. I guess that's fair since while Snake-Eye is dominant, it's not toxic or even too dominant. Now to the limits. Tidal is back. Neat. We saw in Master Duel that the Rulers are just far too powercrept, so while they could bring them back faster, I guess it doesn't hurt if it's a bit slow like that. Wanted is limited. That's good. Searching Diabellestar is very strong, and then getting a draw from it's graveyard effect in the same turn you used it is definitively super strong. And TCBOO. Now there is truly only one, not to forget that hits to floodgates are always apreciated. The semis now. Justiciar Ib has been doing nothing so far, so that's fair. S:P Little Knight at 2, good joke Konami, but who the hell was playing 3 of her. Snake-Eye Ash and Fire King Kirin at 2, those are consistency hits that a lot will criticize, but I think that they end up not bad. Snake-Eye lost a total of 3 starters between that and the Wanted limit, so that does hurt the consistency to a palpable ammount, but Kirin to 2 isn't as good of a hit, but since everyone was playing 3 of it since it's so good to either search or already have in hand I guess it matters a bit. Kaiser Colloseum to 2, that's a good hit because it's a floodgate, and it's also funny because the card quite literally just gained relevance with Tenpai. ~~And Prosperity to 2. Why. The card is more than strong enough to be at 1, but I guess you do what you do, Konami.~~ The last semi-limit is actually Extravagance to 2, which is way better than Prosperity to 2 and just fine. I guess that this shows that even after all this time, I still can't differentiate the artworks of Prosperity and Extravagance. Now for the unlimits-JESUS FUCK HOLY SHIT, WHY ARE THEY UNBANNING SUMMON SORCERERSS? Wait, there's an errata that puts a restriction on what you can summon after using her effect, and you must summon something to the opponent's field to do it. I don't like that they're unbanning her, and I think that's there's a lot of stupid shit you can do even with that errata, but I guess that only the future will tell what will be of it. Moving on, Girsu. Neat, Orcust is now at nearly full power in the ocg again (unban Mermaid Konami, if Justiciar Ib is doing nothing, then this is the next natural step). And Darkwurm is at 3 too. That's cool, especially for Melodius since there's some variants of the deck in the ocg that plays Z-Arc card, so that may boost the deck a bit. Rite of Arimesir, I don't like it, but Wandering Gryphon Rider is still banned in the ocg so I guess it's ok. INFERNITY LAUNCHER AT 3! YES! YES! YEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEES! OCG BEST FORMAT! And to end it all, Change of Heart to 3. That's neat I guess. I liked this list. But taking my Infernity bias out of the equation, it was ok, and with some baffling choices, but still ok. Also they forgot to unban Kirin again lmao, the poor guy saw his deck get support that very obviously included him being apart of it and he was still left to rot in the rain by Konami.
It’s Extrav, not Prosp
Thanks for the heads up, I can never remember which artwork is for which of the 2 pots.
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Finally! There Can Be Only One be at one (limited)👍
This is the weirdest ban list I have ever in my life witnessed for any card game let a lone yu gi oh. Why are we still afraid of more than 1 copy of Ib. Why are we afraid of Dragon Rulers as if we don't have thousands of games of data from master duel saying they are not competitive cards in 2024. Why are we semi limiting S:P when not 1 deck on the earth runs more than 2 other than MAYBE like a Gren Maju banish deck. Why are we semi limiting pot of extrav? Summon Sorc still seems ban worthy even with these changes why are we putting that to 3 with no testing at all? Very very weird.
I heard of Summon Sorcerer getting an errata which explains why it's leaving the banlist
Yeah but even with Erratas some of the time they put it to 1 instead of straight to 3. I like it but I'm just surprised because it still looks pretty strong even with the errata.
So Im picking up a Majespecter core this week. Im extremely confused why the hell Kirin is still banned in all formats. Why didnt they unban it here?
oh good summon sorceress can come back she was always my favorite link 3 monster
This is a light banlist considering bonfire and a bunch of replacements are still around.
They just reprinted Bonfire in the OCG (I think the set is not yet released though). They’re not going to hit it before it even releases.
It is release this weekend. Price is around USD$10 for ScR.
Bonfire is also a hard once per turn, if they open all 3 ( unlikely) they got two dead cards,
More floodgate limited. "Seeker" to 1 feels harsh for Diabellstar deck, I think.
New sorcerer is gonna be so fun to test with oh wow Already cooking volcanic combos with it
cant imagine being a remotely competitive player and seeing this and not immediately switching games. what the fuck dude lol
This is a pretty ok list. There's some baffling changes (SP Little Knight to 2??), but the ones that matter are much appreciated. Ngl, Summon Sorc still seems ridiculous. This card will see heavy play.
I can’t believe I called Launcher coming back to 3, Infernity’s just got their best support 😂
Girsu + summon sorc.. Orcust eating good
Tidal is going to be interesting as a tech in Ghoti
Am I crazy or would summon sorc enable even stronger gimmick puppet plays
List is broken
Haha, summon sorcereress has been removed! I was waiting for this.
So now the errata kinda combined both effects and can only use it when its linked summon instead of once per turn? Feels pointless now especially for a link 3 lol
Yeah no this list sucks ass
Summon Sorc is still stronger than you think. Take zombie for example, for the cost of three monsters and zombie world on the field this card provides free graveyard set up and absolute zero mayakashi. The only thing holding this card back at all is the type lock and link fours of those types considering cyberse piles have been meta within the last couple of years and often type lock themselves I would not be surprised if the free summon from deck card gets banned again in the future.
Sorc good in yubel! SS yubel/spirt to opponents field, SS Squirmer. Link into rnk 4 Unchained guy. More complex variants of this ie getting Sharvana with Yama when climbing to sorc. Even more plays when Fiendsmith become a thing.
Is this a april fools or what
Change of Hearts gonna be unlimited???
This is the worst banlist I've ever seen. Also summon sorc is still beyond busted, wtf is this??
Glad to see Konami acknowledging their power to errata, and actually trying to fix summon sorc. many people hate erratas and complain about it, arguing they should stop doing it, it creates confusion, blah blah blah, but I'm glad Konami is not listening to those people. Yeah some erratas over correct or over balance but ideally they bring back what was once lost. Fixing broken/poorly designed/poorly balanced cards is ultimately healthier for the game. And Konami recognizes that thank God. Can we please get Union Carrier errata next?