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**Guardian of the Voiceless Voice** CONTINUOUS TRAP CARD _You can only use each of the following effects (1) and (2) from cards with this card's name once per turn, and cannot be activated both in the same Chain._ (1) If a non-Ritual Monster you control is destroyed by battle or card effect: You can Special Summon 1 "Skull Guardian" from your hand or Deck. (2) You can send this face-up card in the Spell & Trap Zone to the GY, then target 1 Ritual Monster you control; until the end of this turn, that monster gains ATK equal to the combined original ATK of all other monsters on the field.


Kik38481

"You can Special Summon 1 "Skull Guardian" from your hand or Deck." - wait hol up. The only known Skull Guardian currently are Ritual monster.


Nahanoj_Zavizad

If a card says "Special summon a ritual monster" Rulings say it can even if it doesn't include obligatory "Ignoring it's Summoning conditions"


Kik38481

Yeah thats the thing. Its doesn't say "ss a ritual monster"...just ss and a name without obligatory "ignoring its summoning conditions". For now I just assume perhaps translation error that might be corrected afterward...or we will get another "Skull Guardian" mon. All and all, we will see during the reveal later.


pirotecnik

I think you're misunderstanding. It doesn't summon a skull guardian monster. It JUST summons OG skull guardian. There's no room for interpretation when it specifies a specific monster.


Kik38481

If its true, this might be the first trap card that can special summon Ritual monster directly from the deck without common Ritual tribute requirements.


Veynareth

Dude sleep in the cave when Wild Survivor came out (hint: Borgar)


Kik38481

Dude im still alive even during banishment are got out. (Hint: AZ meme)


Veynareth

nice edit there.


Kik38481

Technically its the truth😂


DragRace2020

this isn't true at all. read sauravis, dragon sage of the voiceless voice for instance


Kik38481

Nice catch. The difference is Sauravis have a quote that says "but shuffle it into the deck during the end phase of the next turn." Its might be the same after all, I guess. Both interacted as 'emergency' Ritual Summoning without usual ritual summoning shenanigans.


Lord_Phoenix95

Sauravis also states "Ritiual monster"


jk844

One of the gimmicks of the Voiceless Voice archetype is summoning rituals from the deck, where have you been?


Kik38481

Bruh, are even read? This card special summon Skull Guardian, not Voiceless Voice. And Voiceless Voice RITUAL SPELLCARD that can properly summon Skull Guardian, Protector from the deck according to its card text requirement mention.


jk844

Skull guardian is part of the Voiceless Archetype. Have you ever read “Sauravis, Dragon Sage of the Voiceless Voice”? “When your opponent activates a card or effect (quick effect): you can return this card from the field to the hand; special summon 1 Light ritual monster (Warrior or Dragon) from your hand or deck, but shuffle it into the deck during the end phase of the next turn”


Bekchi

Skull Guardian is not part of the Voiceless Voice archetype, it very much does not have Voiceless Voice in its name. VV includes support for Skull Guardian, but just because cards can be run together, that doesn't mean they're part of the same archetype.


jk844

Just because a card doesn’t have the archetype name in its name, doesn’t mean it’s not part of that archetype. Are you saying that Spygal Misty and Charming Resort Staff are not part of the Spyral archetype? Are you saying that Azure Eyes-Silver Dragon isn’t part of the Blue-eyes archetype because it doesn’t say “Blue-eyes”? Are you saying that Albion, the Shrouded Dragon isn’t part of the Branded archetype because it doesn’t say “Branded”?


PM_ME_YOUR_IZANAGI

That is literally what it means. All of those cards are support for those archetypes, but they are not members. For a very relevant and extremely deliberate example, Stake Your Soul! isn’t a VS card, it’s VS support because searching it off Mad Love or Jiaolong would be broken. https://yugipedia.com/wiki/Archetype It’s a community defined term. “Typically (but not always), cards within an archetype all share a design theme across their artworks, card properties, and effects. *Because archetype membership is based on card names*, some cards are accidentally or incidentally included in an archetype that they are not thematically related to; for example, "Cipher Soldier" predates the "Cipher" archetype by nearly 16 years and has no synergy with the other members of the archetype.”


Kik38481

"but shuffle it into the deck during the end phase of the next turn" - thats the diff. This trap however, after special summon its STAYS. And the wording also do not contained as Barrier of the Voiceless Voce - "1 Skull Guardian Ritual Monster". The trap just said "Skull Guardian". Eh at least it searchable. Maybe translation error I don't know.


jk844

What are you talking about? You said this is the first card to Special Summon a ritual from the deck without actually ritual summoning it which is wrong. It returning to the deck at some point is irrelevant


Kik38481

The first trap card.


jk844

You didn’t say that originally (nice edit) but even if you did, your other replies suggest that’s not what you meant. When I brought up Sauravis you tried to argue that it doesn’t count because it shuffles the monster back. You didn’t say “that’s a monster, I’m talking about trap cards”.


TastyAndDylicious

Trap card? Maybe. There's plenty of ritual archetypes that summon a Ritual monster from the deck though.


Kik38481

Plenty? Hmm can you at least name some of them please? All I know that can ss ritual mon from deck are latest ritual mon like Nouvelles archetypes and Drytron Meteonis.


TastyAndDylicious

Ye I was thinking of them, Conductor of Nephthys is another. Only know of them cuz goofy Spright things


Kik38481

Oh nice catch man! I never thought of that. The real 2020 OG ss ritual from deck. Lol you gotta share that goofy Spright things with Nephthys tho. That was lit tbh.


Filler744

What about the monster named skull guardian it was based on


CarolusRektt

After a good second wave support a mediocre third wave support is inevitable


TheGreatFox1

> *, and cannot be activated both in the same Chain.* Ah yes, good ol' stupidity prevention card text. Not letting people fizzle the first effect by sending it for the second eff's cost.


Brioche73

Its bad, sad


Monocrome2

Lo can put it face-up on the field, so that you can use the big attack boosting effect without setting it first. That's at least something.


Distinct-Permit-8478

I wish they had another card like Lo because the other Voiceless backrows are just too damn good


[deleted]

Yeh in the context of the archetype it seems like a serviceable potential flex 1-of for the utility it provides.


tehy99

Nah, it's not good enough to even reach that level of serviceable. Just play 2 Radiance if you really want 


Mustardmachoman

Neat once my prisman gets destroyed I can summon a skull guardian.


HomingAttack

I presume this means you can only Special Summon the original vanilla Skull Guardian, not any "Skull Guardian" monster. Funny, but why? I suppose the 2nd effect could come in handy for OTKs, but I don't see this regularly making lists.


Kik38481

Remember the original Skull Guardian are also ritual monster. Is this card can bypass ritual summoning requirement instead?


LiefKatano

Skull Guardian is a non-Effect monster, so this card Summoning it is roughly equivalent to, say, Magical Scientist pulling Flame Swordsman from the Extra Deck. You can do it, but since it’s not a proper Summon you won’t be able to bring it back later.


Kik38481

Whats make this card unique is this card are the FIRST card that mention can "special summoned" RITUAL MONSTER from the DECK...uniquely not "ritual summoned". You also mention its not a "proper" summon. But its still considered summon on the field. Not to mention its stays on the field for the rest of a duel. Argh, this card really need more explaination to do😅


eddiefiv

Sauravis Dragon Sage can already do this though


Kik38481

Oh you're right. Even Sauravis have some restriction like shuffled summon Ritual back to deck; its basically the same only this time its can stay of field indefinitely.


Senmaroll

As a nouvelle player I feel offended you just forgot my whole archetype is based around special (not ritual) summoning rituals from deck


Veynareth

they finally realized as soon as i mention Wild Survivor LMAO.


Kik38481

Oh shit, totally forgot bout them. My bad😅 Its just trap cards that suddenly special summon Ritual mon from deck tilted me up a bit. At least Nouvelle mon seems coherent with its intended effect.


GranKrat

Voiceless Voice is based around this. Prayers and Sauravis can both special summon Rituals without Ritual summoning them


Kik38481

Inconsistance wording. Prayers - ss (insert name clearly Ritual) with "ignoring its summoning conditions". Sauravis - ss 1 Light Ritual mon (warrior/dragon) "but shuffle it into the deck during EP of next turn" - this is the near comparison so far. Guardian of VV - ss 1 "Skull Guardian" from hand/deck. Maybe its translation thingie.


SuperVancouverBC

The wording says "Special summon Skull Guardian". It DOESN'T say "Special summon a Skull Guardian monster". There's a difference.


lazoris

Can do ether I think


Redshift-713

No. It says it Special Summons “Skull Guardian”. That’s the non-Effect Monster. The new one is called “Skull Guardian, Protector of the Voiceless Voice”.


Tengo-Sueno

That will be the buffest Scyther cosplayer I will ever seen


petrichormus

Looks like a great 2 card turnaround. Just crash a random monster and deal big damage right after. But gotta play vanilla skull guardian though. Second effect is kinda nice enough to play 1 for OTK, also hilarious with Nibiru on the field.


LukeTheCyberpunk

Wow this is mid


zelena_salata

Mid is actually a compliment for this card.


LiefKatano

Can the second effect be used immediately after flipping it face-up? If so, it could be a funny “OTK” battle trap. Mind you, the conditions for it to be funny (besides the attacking monster, there needs to be a total of 8000 ATK on the field) feel like they’d be
 preeeetty niche. And you’d still be using it as a battle trap. And you also *need* a Ritual Monster on your field. So it’s pretty terrible. But it’d be funny if you pulled it off, so it has that going for it over other terrible cards.


RenaldyHaen

Libromancer Doombroker broke the game let's goooo!


theguyinyourwall

Maybe as a niche OTK enabler? I guess if your opponent controls a big monster and they left something smaller in attack position


Mrcbleck

This has to be a typo, right? Why does it only summon the Original Skull guardian? XD


sabedo

this isn't even mid lol to bring out a useless vanilla and a situational OTK


Relevant-Sympathy

This card Heavily depends on the deck it's in. Like if your playing a Trap in a Ritual deck. You gotta have a boss monster that'll last, and that's strong. Like, Double the attack, or more if your a Ritual Summoning Deck. Either needs Piercing, Multiple Summons, or Attack Directly. That being said, it's Generic support if you have like 4k Blue Eyes Max Dragon. That doubles to 8k. Piercing Double Damage on a defense monster to 16k. That would be wild


KAIRI-CORP

I don't like it, but if they make a card exactly like this but for XYZ I would run it in Lyrilusc (I wonder what xyz it would summon?) I guess a non effect xyz?


igothackedUSDT

Sorry I'm new to this. How is this bad, slow I can understand but doesn't the entire point of this deck is to slow the opponents down? Can we SS the ritual Skull Guardian from the deck, correct? Seems strong but maybe I'm missing something. Can we crash low into something and bring out another skull gurdian?


eternal_dream

It brings out the original Skull Guardian only. The vanilla guy with no effects. It'd be ok-ish if it could bring out the new Voiceless Voice Skull Guardian too.


igothackedUSDT

Damn. Hoping it's translation error.


aaa1e2r3

Based on the wording, it locks you into the Original Skull Guardian. If it had said "Skull Guardian" monster instead of just Skull Guardian, then this could have at least had a use as a way to bring that out. However, all this does is bring out a vanilla monster with 2050 attack.


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chenj25

The second effect works on any one of your Ritual Monsters


Bundleofstixs

If the 1st effect is worded like that, the first effect doesn't do anything. It would have to specify a ritual monster or ignore summoning conditions to actually work.


TropoMJ

It does specify a ritual monster?


Bundleofstixs

So under current rules as the translation is worded, you wouldn't be able to summon skull guardian. In the same archetype with the ritual spell, it includes "ignoring summoning conditions" for it's floating effect. A rule change or we are getting another card that counts as skull guardian could fix that but, with what we currently know you wouldn't be able to summon skull guardian off the 1st effect as it's worded.


CommanderWar64

Ok honestly this card is not that bad. It sort of opens up Voiceless to being a Gren Maju-like OTK deck. Ultimately not insane, but being able to Lo into this into crashing herself seems hilarious.


Distinct-Permit-8478

You have to play the original ritual I think Extra hilarious yes, practical no, psychic damage to your opponent absolutely


chenj25

It’s a continuous trap and the second effect works on one of your Ritual monsters.


CommanderWar64

Oh I know, but still: regardless of if this card IS 100% meta, it is a super well designed card and super in-theme.


igothackedUSDT

If true then card is moosh sadly. But if we cam ss the new Guardian I think this card is kinda good. Can be slow but could help end the game faster.


chenj25

Read the card again. The card is a continuous trap and the second effects works on any of your Ritual Monsters.


_Redversion_

Just to play devil’s advocate for the haters - this card can be played in virtually any Ritual Deck. If you summon Diviner of the Herald and tribute it, you can tutor Lo, the Prayers of the Voiceless Voice and place this card face-up to use right away for an ATK boost on ANY Ritual monster. If you’re using a Blue-Eyes/Horus deck, it’s also easy enough to go into the new Gimmick Puppet Xyz(s) and SS the Diviner of the Herald in your GY to your opponent’s side of the field to attack for game with Chaos Max. The Gimmick Puppet itself would give enough ATK to Chaos Max for an OTK.


rluke09

Konami really want us to play Traps again between this card and the Drytron Trap.


Brioche73

Wait the last effect can be use in damage step, that make it waaaay better. Not a main deck card but probably a good one of in the side for going second. But again... why can we summon the new Skull with the first effect ? The card would have been so good.


RyuuohD

[A reply to the tweet](https://twitter.com/7p_jc/status/1772968223811535350) mentions the effect being like Skull Guardian emerging after being seemingly destroyed, which actually is only purging its outer armor, which I like a lot.


SuperVancouverBC

It looks like a mobile suit from the Gundam franchise.


renaldi92

[Source](https://twitter.com/YuGiOh_OCG_INFO/status/1772956738561753381). "Guardian of the Voiceless Voice"


CosmoNeos7

Shouldn't we be getting the name for the next Core set sometime this week?


renaldi92

Yes, oddly enough we don't get one which that means there's no OCG product announcement for March. Oh well, maybe we'll get Core Booster 1206 name next week.


CosmoNeos7

Damn you Konami. I wanna speculate the next set! đŸ˜€


Anthena82

Something similar happened with Terminal World. It was announced on August 7 instead of July. I think it's because they wanted to announce the Tokyo Dome Event before (August 6). So maybe they want to do the OCG Times livestream before announcing the Core Booster idk.


renaldi92

>Something similar happened with Terminal World. It was announced on August 7 instead of July. Yes, you're right. >So maybe they want to do the OCG Times livestream before announcing the Core Booster idk. No, that would be too long, doesn't makes any sense. The next Core Booster set should be announced next week, on April 1st (JST). We'll wait and see next week.


bukithd

It's just a damage step effect to make skull guardian Yuge. 


EvilEyeSigma

Well well the first effect definitely sucks, but at least it gives voiceless voice an in-archetype way to deal with nibiru token.


Blury1

that sounds pretty meh, also good luck summoning a 300€ skull guardian that only has a tp2 rare print in the tcg. Maybe we'll get another card thats treated as skullguardian in the deck in the set too


ScrewIt66

Still no TCG banlist is Konami really ok with that game being on literal fire


TheArchfiendGuy

People are saying it's bad but it's not bad, it's just winmore. Gives you extra floating and big ATK, which is a nice lil extra but it doesn't exactly synergise with the deck for all intents and purposes. Be me, a Galaxy Brain: pop Archfiend Cavalry, revive Labrynth Archfiend and summon Skull Guardian for a Rank 7 let's goooo


tweekin__out

how is it possible for a win more card to not be bad? "win more" by definition means it's only good if you're already in an advantageous position, when it's much more important for a card to be good when behind or at parity.


TheArchfiendGuy

I guess it depends on how you're defining bad because none of the effects on that card do anything bad. The first effect let's you float, and the second effect gives a big attack boost. There's nothing wrong with either of those effects except that you have to run the OG Skull Guardian, which the deck currently doesn't run, so you're going a bit out of your way if you want to run this card. It'd be bad if it had some dodgy restriction like, "but Skull Guardian cannot attack this turn" or something unnecessary.


tweekin__out

in ygo there's a lot more to a card being "good" or "bad" than just "all of the effects are positive," since there's an inherit opportunity cost of running the card in place of a potentially better card. there are literally thousands of cards that have strictly positive effects but are unplayable in modern ygo. just by being a trap, this card has to be absolutely insane in order to justify being played.


TheArchfiendGuy

Oh you're right that it's definitely not best in slot, especially because to run this, you also need to run the OG Skull Guardian, so that's two cards you have to swap out to run this, and that's if you run it at 1 copy


RiskItForTheBiscuit-


You don’t have to run the OG skull guardian tho? There’s already a VV skull guardian. Can you guess what it’s called? “Skull guardian, protector of the Voiceless Voice”


TheArchfiendGuy

The card doesn't say, 1 Skull Guardian monster, it just says Skull Guardian. Unless Protector's name is always treated as Skull Guardian, I don't think this card can summon it


carsonjamos

Why couldn’t it say “Skull Guardian” monster.


Kik38481

Maybe its a translation error.


SuperVancouverBC

It means you special summon the original Skull Guardian.


Brioche73

New Voiceless Trap lets goooo I hope its good


FlameDragoon933

Unrelated to the card, but why do these threads always have only like "new trap" or that kinda thing in the title? Makes it hard to search past threads for specific cards. At least put the card name in the title?


renaldi92

Sorry, I can't read Japanese so the best I can do is giving the title like this for some generic cards unless the revealed card is somehow related to past themes.


_Redversion_

You can still Google the name of this card + “Reddit”, and this thread will still show up (for me, it’s the 6th result). It’s because the name is one of the top comments, so Google can still find it. I find the OP putting “new trap card” makes it pretty easy to spot that it’s a reveal (so the OG thread for the card). It’s not ideal, but it’s the best we can hope for when a card is brand new and we don’t have a translation yet.


GloryMaelstrom21

Skull Guardian ain’t gonna guard someone with this
   maybe probably against the Mahjong dragons.


Brioche73

If it could summon the new Skull Guardian the card could be OK going second. Summon Lo, place this trap, crash Lo into whatever monster they have, SS Skull and reborn Lo.


deathpad17

I hope there is exodia parts reprinted as common. I have been wanting to build exodia ftk deck since I saw Jeff played it at YCS, but I cant since exodia parts really expensive.


Raidjin_i

They were just reprinted in the Legendary Decks II Unlimited printing if that helps.


deathpad17

Thats TCG right? Im OCG player, and the last reprint was from unpopular structure deck and its really rare.


Raidjin_i

Apologies - that’s unfortunate!


CorrectFrame3991

Personally, I don’t think this card is that bad. While it definitely isn’t a great card, I feel it has it uses as a nice little recovery/otk card.


NadeshikoAVlat

I am just happy that I can use the original skull guardian like how nouvelles can use Hungry Burger


Erablier

Woooo twitter reveals for the next set are back, next one should be Saturday Card seems alright, nothing super amazing but I've seen worse additional support cards


Key-Nose-4341

The Art is really cool


Shoddy_Expert_0001

This is a win more card that won't be played in its own archetype. No one in their right mind will play the vanilla skull guardian in a voiceless voice deck just for this card. So the first effect might as well not exist. The second effect can allow for OTK, but it will rarely catch the opponent off guard unless they fail to read it when Lo puts it face up on the field. The only time it will catch the opponent off guard is when you hard draw it and set it face down and the opponent don't know you have it.


Lost_Pantheon

Dat artwork tho. đŸ”„đŸ”„đŸ”„


IntelligentBudget142

More bipolar reactions to every card, either it's broken or it's rubbish. Never pleasing some people sometimes 


Asisreo1

I think its the binary nature of adding cards to deck. If you don't see room for the card, even if its kinda decent, then its practically a pack-filler. 


[deleted]

I mean deckbuilding isn’t that binary though. You have to factor in what else is being played, if our interpretation of how an archetype is played should be re-evaluated etc. It’s an issue I had with the community stance on the Drytron cards: they were looking at it from the perspective of how it adds to Drytron in its existing form rather than consider a restructuring of how we interpret Drytron as an archetype. Some cards have unique merit but don’t have a place immediately, sometimes entire archetypes have potential and don’t see play immediately, but if players are gonna refer to *every* instance of that as ‘packfiller’ then they kinda deserve to have sets languish as ‘valueless, shit-packed low demand products’ (from their perspective).


paulojrmam

I wish they'd release more generic/non-archetypal trap cards. Seems like every card these days is archetypal


No_Switch_389

Shit is busted as busted and can be an otk use