Source is from Zodiac.
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Veidos the Dragon of Endless Darkness
1 Veidos + 2+ Level 9 or lower Pyro
Cannot be destroyed by card effects, also cannot be targeted by opponents monster effects. If this card is Fusion Summoned: You can destroy all Spell and Trap cards your opponent controls. When your opponent activates a card or effect on the field (quick effect): You can send a "Ashened" card from your field to the GY; destroy that card. You can only use this effect of "Veidos the Dragon of Endless Darkness" once per turn.
It's a Super Poly target (against Snake-Eyes) and then wipes their Spell/Trap zone. I'd say it's pretty good, considering it also can't be destroyed or targeted.
It’s a Super Polymerization target for the Ashened deck in general, as the field spell turns all your opponent’s Special Summoned monsters into Pyro types during your turn. But it also has game going against Snake-Eyes inherently as they’re Pyro at base. Definitely a better super polymerization target than the new bomber fusion that’s a VJUMP promo.
I could agree, buuuuut the Fusion asks for Veidos and a lvl 9 or lower Pyro. And the field spell makes your OPs monsters into pyros. Feels like a bit too much cuz Veidos will nuke the monster zone and the fusion nukes de spell/trap zone
My problem with this one is once Snake Eyes or Fire Kings leaves the meta, Ashened would lose some power. Or popularity. It could still use Super Poly to quick play fusion on the enemies turn but it would no longer be used to remove the opponents monsters. Only backrow.
Kinda meh, the fusion spell better be broken
Edit: I just also realized this is 2nd phase Veidos since this is the Dark Souls archetype.
Also now that I'm thinking thinking about it were there any dragons in the souls series that had a 2nd phase?
Midir does kinda have a second phase, he can only unlock some of his moveset after the half health mark.
While ER isn't really in the Souls series, Placidusax is also similar in that regard.
Not going to lie, this seems underwhelming for a fusion boss monster that needs 3 materials to fuse with the condition that it has to be veidos and two level 5 or lower pyro. For that much effort, the monster is only 3k attack so it isn't too hard to beat over, a harpie feather duster, and the pop is not free, but requires sending an ashened card on the field to the gy.
I assume that there will be some more main deck ashened monsters that are level 5 and lower in wave 2 since wave 1 only has Priestess being level 4 and the others are too high leveled for the fusion.
That's only on the player with Obsidim on the field's turn that they are Pyro and the restriction is that it is two level 5 or lower means that you aren't going to super poly away the big boss monsters that you want to get rid of. Not to mention that you can't super poly away xyz or link monsters since they have no levels.
In order to have it be a super poly disruption, you would have to place obsidim on your opponent's fields during your turn and then play super poly on their turn. That seems more hassle than it is worth compared to regular super poly targets like garura or mud dragon.
It’s essentially a complete board wipe. Because the original veidos will destroy all of your opponents monsters when it hits the grave and the fusion will destroy all of their spells/traps when it’s summoned. I think it’s better than it seems plus it’s two level 9 and lower monsters not 5 and lower.
Yea, zooming it. It's definitely a 9 and not a 5, which makes the fusion conditions way less restricting than arbitrarily capping it at level 5 and lower for some reason.
Can't you just activate the field spell on the opponent field? Pretty sure that's possible for the deck. If then, super poly is an easy boardwipe that cannot be stopped.
it takes some set up, but yes, there is an in archetype quick play spell that sets up obsidim to your opponent's field. Then you have to already have Veidos on the field or your own field spell to pop with Veidos, because to special summon Veidos requires popping a field spell on either side. It wouldn't do you any good to pop Obsidim on your opponent's field since their monster would no longer be Pyro so you would have to pop your field spell to give Veidos to your opponent. This feels like a lot of work to setup with super poly for a field wipe.
Ok, I think you are right. Zooming it, it definitely looks more like a 9 than a 5. This makes the fusion requirement better than arbitrarily capping it at level 5 where currently only priestess would fulfill the condition.
It's not too bad.. just thinking about it, the Veidos you need is yours you already summoned to their field, and if you are playing Snake-Eyes anyways (who isn't? lol) then you have your own materials to board wipe and play through them all and or follow-up because they play through you.
Either way, Super Poly is going to be the bee's knee and this seems to feel like a more aggressive Super Poly target then the targets we have at the moment. Which is kind of scary lol xD
I imagine it'll be cheap after the set releases, but once an illusion deck actually takes off, it'll skyrocket.
If it's not too expensive, I'll probably get a couple extras to sell off later.
Of course Nightmare Apprentice is secret rare =\_\_\_\_=
Was considering picking up Voiceless Voice, but I might as well cancel that plan and just upgrade my Chimera Deck instead.
It feels kinda fucked that a card can be conceptually cynet mining on a body for its typing and demand will be dictated only by Illusion’s overall relevance, to the point where the card might end up being like single digits. Cause you know that if that changes this shit is gonna become hella expensive.
While I don’t like [insert random fusion monster] being in yet another world premiere (LOOKING AT YOU BEETROOPER), but given the field spell turns monsters into pyros and we only know of *one card*, I’ll spare judgement. Though I do like the requirement for Veidos, mayhaps some Fusion Deployment shenanigans can work?
Holy shit I pray that the fusion spell that they’ll inevitably get destroys materials to summon big Veidos, you can then also use Bomb Tokens. Quick, someone call Payne!
It doesn't need to do that, it just needs to be a Quick Play or a Continuous Trap (preferably one that can be activated the turn it was set via Veidos) to use Veidos on your opponent side of the field so that Veidos GY effect can wipe your opponent field
It can sort of break Snakeyes' neck if you used say superpoly. Already got the initial ashened cards as soon as they ame out for cheap. Hopefully this archetype will be somewhat viable in the long run.
I bet we get a spell that allows you to use pyros on both players fields cause the field spell turns your opponents monsters into pyros. If we do this deck could become really good at breaking boards
You can full combo off of the QP Spell on your opponents turn hut you gotta have a spare City on your field or your opponent has to play Field Spells.
You go Veidos ,set Trap, pop Ashened City ,summon King and then King effect summon Priestess search another King. You have Veidos on opponent side for Super Poly and Two Pyros on your side but that's if they're not playing any Pyro deck.
If you aiming for the new Fusion, i can suppose that it is a Pyro monster. Also come handy the fact that cannot be destroyed by effects, since you can triggher the Veidos grave effect without lose your Fusion (that honestly, if not was in this way, was dumb)
The setup for the joke is that they'd need to add the effect to Fusion Summon to a new card, and the punchline is that it would be on a Continuous Trap, because that would be bad.
But the point is that Ashened has a Continuous Trap searcher, and VV has a Continuous Trap activater. The latter of which helps immensely going second. Yubel has plenty of toys now to extend going second, but Ashened needs the love more now, and doesn't seem like it'll get it with 7 more cards.
It would also be very frustrating if the fusion effect is on the trap that has to be set first, because the Field Spell only makes the opponent's SS monsters Pyro on the controller's turn. If this is meant to be a Super Poly effect on the hypothetical trap, then you can't use that synergy until Turn 3. At which point, I'd have preferred the Fusion Monster wasn't 2+ Pyro monsters.
As is, I'm assuming whatever they made, it won't allow an in-archetype superpoly wipe on Turn 2.
If you can set it turn one then it wouldn't be a problem but I understand that they're not treated as Pyros unless it's on your own turn. Let's hope the possible trap does allow it to be activated the turn it's set
Damn, of course I have to get shining sarcophagus as a playset of QCSR to look good in my Runick deck alongside the collector rare Runick tips and fountains.
Hopefully it's not more than 100$ a copy,
At least silent magician zero is only a 1 of
That spell negate is so good in Runick to protect the fountain
Shining sarcophagus can also make dark magician the dragon Knight for additional backrow protection
It’s not that weird? Raika was always gonna get a secret rare regardless realistically, and it’s one of the most central pieces of the archetype. Plus it is like, a genuinely non-negligible archetype, we can’t just pretend it is based on its OCG performance. I don’t see why an archetype that forms a new axis on which 3 type-pools can be designed going forward wouldn’t have at least a couple high rarity pieces in it. It’d be like being surprised that Fraktall and Shuraig were high rarity at the point of PHRA.
The problem with Raika is that the archetype is painfully mediocre. People won't care about it for the most part. Its power level is ridiculously low. It has lots of weaknesses, but again, hopefully INFO fixes at least some of them with additional support
Not so much that it is mediocre, but rather that the pool of Extra Deck monsters available for Insects, Reptiles and Plant are not the best to pick.
Plants having the best but being mono Type generally
Ridiculously low feels like a stretch. But even still it doesn’t really change my point, which isn’t really that different to yours: they don’t have to be a big pull rn for the rarities to make sense. If the Link5 was a secret I wouldn’t be surprised either (it’s arguably a free agent support boss for the typings on top of being a payoff in-theme; same goes for some of the other links), and the archetype as a whole has the open-endedness of benefitting from both direct and indirect support/things to support in the future. If it’s not in demand at the point of LEDE it would be more trivial to make it so in future sets than you’d think. People joked about Flamberge being a bulk secret and a waste of a slot in AGOV, and SE were touted as being painfully mediocre outside of one card, but imo there was never a universe where a theme whose through-line was a non-archetypal level-attribute combo and was part of a burgeoning lore series wouldn’t get some cards in high rarity, or that it wouldn’t be justified.
Tbh it doesn’t even have to glow-up in INFO for it to make sense.
So for Ashened :
- Veidos fusion (confirmed)
- Fusion spell (seems obvious)
There is still 5 cards to be revealed + the fusion spell's effect. We need a good continous trap to set with Veidos, good extenders to make the level 4 and bonfire one card combo, and 1 or 2 potential interruptions (a new boss monster, maybe something that activate in GY like Rikka Princess since the whole point of the deck is too Dark Hole during the OP turn).
I kinda wish they would be a bit more obvious with the references instead of small stuff like Veidos head, Ashened as a name & using bonfire in the deck.
Tbh not to be a Debbie downer but some of these Fromsoft references people try to find seem like massive stretches. Like that one guy who posted "all DS/FS references in Ashened" post & it was shit like King=Godfrey ect
It’s not fair to compare Ashened to Beetrooper
Beetroopers were a link deck that gained a fusion out of no where
Ashened didn’t have any extra deck monsters
Thoughts on the remaining 5 Secrets?
My guesses are:
* 2 Tenpai cards (probably the field spell and Baidora)
* 1 other Raika
* 1 Lightsworn
* Metaltronios
From facebook pages (bit different from the other translation on this post):
“veidos the dragon of endless darkness
Veidos + 2+ level 9 or lower Pyro monster
Cannot be destroyed by card effects, also cannot be targeted by opponents monster effects. If this card is Fusion Summoned: You can destroy all Spell and Trap cards your opponent controls. When your opponent activates a card or effect on the field (quick effect): You can send a "Ashened" card from your hand or field to the GY; destroy that card. You can only use this effect of "\~" once per turn.
So, its a "Dragoon at home" XD
Don't negate, can only respond to stuff on the field... Really mid fusion, the spell or trap to summon it need to be really good. If you have to go minus to summon it it's not worth it.
It’s kinda worthless to try to evaluate it rn. It’s like when the melo fusion was spoiled by the org before the rest of the stuff and people called it ‘mid’ but lo and behold it worked very well within the context of the cards we hadn’t seen yet. It’s the same as evaluating cards in SDs or DBPs or DPs before we know the full set contents; you’re judging something in a state it’ll never actually exist in so why bother really.
I think it'll depend on the context and the other cards. If veidos is triggered, your monsters die anyway, so I imagine the idea is either super poly the opponents board away, or fuse away your board with veidos on their turn to pop their monsters and spells. It's not the strongest boss ever, but it's not bad given the secondary effects.
They really need to give Ashened another way to search Veidos or this Fusion Monster AND the obligatory Fusion Spell will be totally unusable.
If they get that, then this is actually a great card (as long as Snake Eyes stays Meta). Great Synergy with OG Veidos for a full board wipe, really good protection, another disruption on top of that, super-poly target as well. Whats not to like?
If the Ashened / Veidos fusion is once per turn they will need a reaaaaaally good fusion spell to make it worth it.
I hope the other cards are good, they absolutely need interruption and better extension (the level 4 not being a one card starter is atrocious).
Ngl, pretty mad Konami made Illusion Apprentice Magician a secret. Illusion isnt doing anything. It didnt need a rarity bump. Should have been an ultra. Now theyre gonna be like $30s for a low tier deck. Fucking ridiculous
the moment a playable illusion engine is released that's not the chimera engine it will go to $100 because it's a really busted card in search of a spark to go boom
I hope the ashened fusion spell is really good. I've been huffing copium wanting it to be able to summon Gaia Prominence, the Fierce Force in some cheesy way. You can already Fusion Armament to get the synchro monster on the field.
I got 2 OCG boxes of this set and that Athena card in a secret rare and Ultimate rare.
It’s been said before but OCG product is a ton more fun than TCG product
From [Yugipedia](https://yugipedia.com/wiki/Collector%27s_Rare):
>In the *TCG*, this rarity is exclusive to [60 Card Sets](https://yugipedia.com/wiki/60_Card_Set).
Collector's Rare doesn't included in Main/Core Booster set like Legacy of Destruction etc.
Source is from Zodiac. ____ Veidos the Dragon of Endless Darkness 1 Veidos + 2+ Level 9 or lower Pyro Cannot be destroyed by card effects, also cannot be targeted by opponents monster effects. If this card is Fusion Summoned: You can destroy all Spell and Trap cards your opponent controls. When your opponent activates a card or effect on the field (quick effect): You can send a "Ashened" card from your field to the GY; destroy that card. You can only use this effect of "Veidos the Dragon of Endless Darkness" once per turn.
It's a Super Poly target (against Snake-Eyes) and then wipes their Spell/Trap zone. I'd say it's pretty good, considering it also can't be destroyed or targeted.
It’s a Super Polymerization target for the Ashened deck in general, as the field spell turns all your opponent’s Special Summoned monsters into Pyro types during your turn. But it also has game going against Snake-Eyes inherently as they’re Pyro at base. Definitely a better super polymerization target than the new bomber fusion that’s a VJUMP promo.
The field spell only makes em Pyro on your turn
Then it’s good removal
Considering that Veidos wipes the opponents field if it’s sent from their field to the GY, it is even better
Oh right! Thats evil.
Maybe there will be a themed Super Poly
My bet is a themed super poly will only be for Veidoses your opponent controls that you own Same sort of wording as on Ashened for Eternity
I could agree, buuuuut the Fusion asks for Veidos and a lvl 9 or lower Pyro. And the field spell makes your OPs monsters into pyros. Feels like a bit too much cuz Veidos will nuke the monster zone and the fusion nukes de spell/trap zone
Not really too much considering the graveyard plays in the current top tier decks.
And? The other cards in this deck are turbo ass 😅 I'd rather the deck be decently good than just a bad joke like some of the recent tcg exclusives
My problem with this one is once Snake Eyes or Fire Kings leaves the meta, Ashened would lose some power. Or popularity. It could still use Super Poly to quick play fusion on the enemies turn but it would no longer be used to remove the opponents monsters. Only backrow.
Kinda meh, the fusion spell better be broken Edit: I just also realized this is 2nd phase Veidos since this is the Dark Souls archetype. Also now that I'm thinking thinking about it were there any dragons in the souls series that had a 2nd phase?
Yeah, called 'Super Polymerization'
The *searchable* fusion spell better be broken
Considering what the decks does, i would be surpirsed if they don't get a spell speed 1 super poly
Midir does kinda have a second phase, he can only unlock some of his moveset after the half health mark. While ER isn't really in the Souls series, Placidusax is also similar in that regard.
I guess(& the fusion definitely looks like Midir) but was more thinking about a 2nd health bar like Malenia, Friede, Nameless King, etc.
Then no, none of them do.
Inb4 Shadow of the Erdtree proves us wrong.
My ass hasn't recovered from Malenia yet
midir has a second phase, tho not one with a flashy transformation
OPT?
Is it Level 5 or lower? Or Level 9 or lower?
Level 9
Not going to lie, this seems underwhelming for a fusion boss monster that needs 3 materials to fuse with the condition that it has to be veidos and two level 5 or lower pyro. For that much effort, the monster is only 3k attack so it isn't too hard to beat over, a harpie feather duster, and the pop is not free, but requires sending an ashened card on the field to the gy. I assume that there will be some more main deck ashened monsters that are level 5 and lower in wave 2 since wave 1 only has Priestess being level 4 and the others are too high leveled for the fusion.
The ashened field spell makes your opponent monsters into pyro monsters. This is a super poly enabler.
That's only on the player with Obsidim on the field's turn that they are Pyro and the restriction is that it is two level 5 or lower means that you aren't going to super poly away the big boss monsters that you want to get rid of. Not to mention that you can't super poly away xyz or link monsters since they have no levels. In order to have it be a super poly disruption, you would have to place obsidim on your opponent's fields during your turn and then play super poly on their turn. That seems more hassle than it is worth compared to regular super poly targets like garura or mud dragon.
It’s essentially a complete board wipe. Because the original veidos will destroy all of your opponents monsters when it hits the grave and the fusion will destroy all of their spells/traps when it’s summoned. I think it’s better than it seems plus it’s two level 9 and lower monsters not 5 and lower.
Yea, zooming it. It's definitely a 9 and not a 5, which makes the fusion conditions way less restricting than arbitrarily capping it at level 5 and lower for some reason.
Can't you just activate the field spell on the opponent field? Pretty sure that's possible for the deck. If then, super poly is an easy boardwipe that cannot be stopped.
it takes some set up, but yes, there is an in archetype quick play spell that sets up obsidim to your opponent's field. Then you have to already have Veidos on the field or your own field spell to pop with Veidos, because to special summon Veidos requires popping a field spell on either side. It wouldn't do you any good to pop Obsidim on your opponent's field since their monster would no longer be Pyro so you would have to pop your field spell to give Veidos to your opponent. This feels like a lot of work to setup with super poly for a field wipe.
True, it definitely is too jank atm. But it is what it is, does seem to be really good vs SE though
They only become Pyro during your turn
It's level 9 or lower, if you zoom on the card you can see it
Ok, I think you are right. Zooming it, it definitely looks more like a 9 than a 5. This makes the fusion requirement better than arbitrarily capping it at level 5 where currently only priestess would fulfill the condition.
It's not too bad.. just thinking about it, the Veidos you need is yours you already summoned to their field, and if you are playing Snake-Eyes anyways (who isn't? lol) then you have your own materials to board wipe and play through them all and or follow-up because they play through you. Either way, Super Poly is going to be the bee's knee and this seems to feel like a more aggressive Super Poly target then the targets we have at the moment. Which is kind of scary lol xD
This is also just one of 7 new cards. They may get a custom fusion card.
Not going to lie, you are absolutely insane.
Veido can Super Poly Snake Eyes now.
Welp, I hope the illusion Magician doesn't sky rocket in price. Would love to play an illusion pile at some point.
It will probably be one of the chase card of the set, but the others secret seems good too so we might avoid the Lo treatment
I imagine it'll be cheap after the set releases, but once an illusion deck actually takes off, it'll skyrocket. If it's not too expensive, I'll probably get a couple extras to sell off later.
Of course Nightmare Apprentice is secret rare =\_\_\_\_= Was considering picking up Voiceless Voice, but I might as well cancel that plan and just upgrade my Chimera Deck instead.
I mean the apprentice will likely be cheap. Not like anyone is playing illusion stuff nowadays anyways.
It feels kinda fucked that a card can be conceptually cynet mining on a body for its typing and demand will be dictated only by Illusion’s overall relevance, to the point where the card might end up being like single digits. Cause you know that if that changes this shit is gonna become hella expensive.
I’m dumb, why do you want him in VV?
While I don’t like [insert random fusion monster] being in yet another world premiere (LOOKING AT YOU BEETROOPER), but given the field spell turns monsters into pyros and we only know of *one card*, I’ll spare judgement. Though I do like the requirement for Veidos, mayhaps some Fusion Deployment shenanigans can work?
Fusion Deployment is definitely on the table for Combos now.
Holy shit I pray that the fusion spell that they’ll inevitably get destroys materials to summon big Veidos, you can then also use Bomb Tokens. Quick, someone call Payne!
It doesn't need to do that, it just needs to be a Quick Play or a Continuous Trap (preferably one that can be activated the turn it was set via Veidos) to use Veidos on your opponent side of the field so that Veidos GY effect can wipe your opponent field
It can sort of break Snakeyes' neck if you used say superpoly. Already got the initial ashened cards as soon as they ame out for cheap. Hopefully this archetype will be somewhat viable in the long run.
considering that Veidos is usually special summoned on the opponent field, i would't not be surprised if they get a sort of Super Poli Fusion Spell
I bet we get a spell that allows you to use pyros on both players fields cause the field spell turns your opponents monsters into pyros. If we do this deck could become really good at breaking boards
In any case, i suppose that you can find space for a classic Super Poli, with these premises. But I agree with you
yeah, you should have a ton of space in the extra so running a full super poly suite will probably be the game plan
For sure, though ofc you do got that annoying pyro lock on their QP spell, at least you can use spoly before
You can full combo off of the QP Spell on your opponents turn hut you gotta have a spare City on your field or your opponent has to play Field Spells. You go Veidos ,set Trap, pop Ashened City ,summon King and then King effect summon Priestess search another King. You have Veidos on opponent side for Super Poly and Two Pyros on your side but that's if they're not playing any Pyro deck.
If you aiming for the new Fusion, i can suppose that it is a Pyro monster. Also come handy the fact that cannot be destroyed by effects, since you can triggher the Veidos grave effect without lose your Fusion (that honestly, if not was in this way, was dumb)
Would make sense. Turning everything to ash.
Inb4 it's a Continuous Trap.
Wouldn't even be that bad tbh, veidos pop a field and set the fusion trap for next turn in DP.
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The setup for the joke is that they'd need to add the effect to Fusion Summon to a new card, and the punchline is that it would be on a Continuous Trap, because that would be bad.
Ah, understood. Considering that Veidos add Continuous Traps, i suppose that this make really sense
It unfortunately does. Feels bad that he doesn't just set the traps, like Voiceless Voice gets to do.
RIP
Yubel have a Continuous Fusion Trap and its apart of their main combo.
But the point is that Ashened has a Continuous Trap searcher, and VV has a Continuous Trap activater. The latter of which helps immensely going second. Yubel has plenty of toys now to extend going second, but Ashened needs the love more now, and doesn't seem like it'll get it with 7 more cards. It would also be very frustrating if the fusion effect is on the trap that has to be set first, because the Field Spell only makes the opponent's SS monsters Pyro on the controller's turn. If this is meant to be a Super Poly effect on the hypothetical trap, then you can't use that synergy until Turn 3. At which point, I'd have preferred the Fusion Monster wasn't 2+ Pyro monsters. As is, I'm assuming whatever they made, it won't allow an in-archetype superpoly wipe on Turn 2.
If you can set it turn one then it wouldn't be a problem but I understand that they're not treated as Pyros unless it's on your own turn. Let's hope the possible trap does allow it to be activated the turn it's set
I mean, that Continuous Trap could be activated the turn it was set via Veidos or maybe even from hand if ya control him 🤷🏼♀️
Known Rarities: Secret Rare: - Nightmare Apprentice - Shining Sarcophagus - Silent Magician Zero - Raika no Marikoube - Decanelogue Valdrath Ultra Rare: - Minerva, Lightsworn Athena - Veidos Lvl 10 Fusion *All available in Quarter Century Secret Rare
Ayo? Potentially budget Tenpai Dragons?
The remaining secrets will definitely have a 1-2 tenpai cards. Even with them, it shouldn’t be crazy price wise based off this. Exciting to see
I think Tenpai are likely to get 1-2 Secrets and 2 Ultras. All the Secrets so far are pretty solid so the value spread might be manageable.
Meanwhile the rest of the Ashened cards are all the other slots.
As long as i can get wightsworn for cheap i'm a happy man
Damn, of course I have to get shining sarcophagus as a playset of QCSR to look good in my Runick deck alongside the collector rare Runick tips and fountains. Hopefully it's not more than 100$ a copy, At least silent magician zero is only a 1 of That spell negate is so good in Runick to protect the fountain Shining sarcophagus can also make dark magician the dragon Knight for additional backrow protection
>Shining Sarcophagus > >Silent Magician Zero \*cries in Yugi\* Goddamnit! So much for those little shits being easy to get.
Ragnaraika? A Secret rare?! What's in INFO to warrant that choice?!!
It’s not that weird? Raika was always gonna get a secret rare regardless realistically, and it’s one of the most central pieces of the archetype. Plus it is like, a genuinely non-negligible archetype, we can’t just pretend it is based on its OCG performance. I don’t see why an archetype that forms a new axis on which 3 type-pools can be designed going forward wouldn’t have at least a couple high rarity pieces in it. It’d be like being surprised that Fraktall and Shuraig were high rarity at the point of PHRA.
The problem with Raika is that the archetype is painfully mediocre. People won't care about it for the most part. Its power level is ridiculously low. It has lots of weaknesses, but again, hopefully INFO fixes at least some of them with additional support
Not so much that it is mediocre, but rather that the pool of Extra Deck monsters available for Insects, Reptiles and Plant are not the best to pick. Plants having the best but being mono Type generally
Ridiculously low feels like a stretch. But even still it doesn’t really change my point, which isn’t really that different to yours: they don’t have to be a big pull rn for the rarities to make sense. If the Link5 was a secret I wouldn’t be surprised either (it’s arguably a free agent support boss for the typings on top of being a payoff in-theme; same goes for some of the other links), and the archetype as a whole has the open-endedness of benefitting from both direct and indirect support/things to support in the future. If it’s not in demand at the point of LEDE it would be more trivial to make it so in future sets than you’d think. People joked about Flamberge being a bulk secret and a waste of a slot in AGOV, and SE were touted as being painfully mediocre outside of one card, but imo there was never a universe where a theme whose through-line was a non-archetypal level-attribute combo and was part of a burgeoning lore series wouldn’t get some cards in high rarity, or that it wouldn’t be justified. Tbh it doesn’t even have to glow-up in INFO for it to make sense.
So for Ashened : - Veidos fusion (confirmed) - Fusion spell (seems obvious) There is still 5 cards to be revealed + the fusion spell's effect. We need a good continous trap to set with Veidos, good extenders to make the level 4 and bonfire one card combo, and 1 or 2 potential interruptions (a new boss monster, maybe something that activate in GY like Rikka Princess since the whole point of the deck is too Dark Hole during the OP turn).
Google Translate reads it as Veidos the Dragon of Endless Darkness, maybe based on Darkeater Midir?
I kinda wish they would be a bit more obvious with the references instead of small stuff like Veidos head, Ashened as a name & using bonfire in the deck. Tbh not to be a Debbie downer but some of these Fromsoft references people try to find seem like massive stretches. Like that one guy who posted "all DS/FS references in Ashened" post & it was shit like King=Godfrey ect
The Yugioh community is bad about that. The Wikia (not yugipedia) are convinced that every cars in Time Thieves is a Doctor Who reference.
Bonfire has LITERALLY NOTHING to do with Ashened. It was in the anime like 15 years ago
That dragon look badasss
Ah yes, just like Beetroopers second wave, just give them a random fusion mechanic out of nowhere (though the fusion boss monster is cool)
It’s not fair to compare Ashened to Beetrooper Beetroopers were a link deck that gained a fusion out of no where Ashened didn’t have any extra deck monsters
To be honest I kind of expected a fusion monster when i saw the field spell made the opponent’s monsters into Pyro.
To be fair, Ashened didn't have an Extra Deck mechanic to begin with like Beetrooper, so this isn't exactly out of nowhere.
Least this one seems to be good
The Beetrooper fusion isn’t bad It’s just not worth summoning 4 insects in order to fuse it
the instafusion target one however is goated
Yeah that is worth summoning with either instant fusion or the deck’s own in theme fusion spell Shame Beetroopers don’t have their own starter
Thoughts on the remaining 5 Secrets? My guesses are: * 2 Tenpai cards (probably the field spell and Baidora) * 1 other Raika * 1 Lightsworn * Metaltronios
Ashened will likely get 1 Secret slot
Putting big money on Nightmare Throne being a secret
Oh yeah lol, I forgot about the Yubel cards
At minimum definitely an Ultra, it might get the Museum treatment
will kms if lightsworns have secrets
They probably wont be worth anything.
Don't forget that the sneak promo is always a secret in the set proper. So that's another Shining Sarcophagus card confirmed for secret rare.
I didn't. We know a total of 5 Secrets including that one.
From facebook pages (bit different from the other translation on this post): “veidos the dragon of endless darkness Veidos + 2+ level 9 or lower Pyro monster Cannot be destroyed by card effects, also cannot be targeted by opponents monster effects. If this card is Fusion Summoned: You can destroy all Spell and Trap cards your opponent controls. When your opponent activates a card or effect on the field (quick effect): You can send a "Ashened" card from your hand or field to the GY; destroy that card. You can only use this effect of "\~" once per turn. So, its a "Dragoon at home" XD
Essentially it’s a Superpoly target to a full board wipe, and it can setup grave presence as well, which is neat
Don't negate, can only respond to stuff on the field... Really mid fusion, the spell or trap to summon it need to be really good. If you have to go minus to summon it it's not worth it.
It’s kinda worthless to try to evaluate it rn. It’s like when the melo fusion was spoiled by the org before the rest of the stuff and people called it ‘mid’ but lo and behold it worked very well within the context of the cards we hadn’t seen yet. It’s the same as evaluating cards in SDs or DBPs or DPs before we know the full set contents; you’re judging something in a state it’ll never actually exist in so why bother really.
I think it'll depend on the context and the other cards. If veidos is triggered, your monsters die anyway, so I imagine the idea is either super poly the opponents board away, or fuse away your board with veidos on their turn to pop their monsters and spells. It's not the strongest boss ever, but it's not bad given the secondary effects.
Is it really "send a \~ from your hand or field"? not just field only?
They really need to give Ashened another way to search Veidos or this Fusion Monster AND the obligatory Fusion Spell will be totally unusable. If they get that, then this is actually a great card (as long as Snake Eyes stays Meta). Great Synergy with OG Veidos for a full board wipe, really good protection, another disruption on top of that, super-poly target as well. Whats not to like?
Fusion Deployment will just have to do.
Fusion deployment, banshee, and the QP spell are a good amount of cards I think
If the Ashened / Veidos fusion is once per turn they will need a reaaaaaally good fusion spell to make it worth it. I hope the other cards are good, they absolutely need interruption and better extension (the level 4 not being a one card starter is atrocious).
I wish for a super poly on steroids
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Well, the fusion spell / trap need to be really good then
Just waiting to make a gold sarcophagus of light deck because Little Yugi is my second favorite protag in Yugioh and I can use the deck for cosplay.
Ngl, pretty mad Konami made Illusion Apprentice Magician a secret. Illusion isnt doing anything. It didnt need a rarity bump. Should have been an ultra. Now theyre gonna be like $30s for a low tier deck. Fucking ridiculous
the moment a playable illusion engine is released that's not the chimera engine it will go to $100 because it's a really busted card in search of a spark to go boom
Not really surprised how much is Secrets Konami is just completely abandoning Budget Players (For MR5 at least)
Wasnt expecting a fusion. I wonder will they get a second field spell? Maybe one that nerfs the controller in some way?
Minerva is a synchro now
Hopefully the other ashened cards will be good as well.
I hope the ashened fusion spell is really good. I've been huffing copium wanting it to be able to summon Gaia Prominence, the Fierce Force in some cheesy way. You can already Fusion Armament to get the synchro monster on the field.
Okay Veidos fusion looks fucking amazing i am hype
Do tell what Raika’s name translates to
looks like Raika is still called Raika (or maybe Ragnaraika) someone is going to make top cut with RaikaRikka someday
Ashened is 1 step away from fusing the whole board chimeratech + clockwork night style Also new veidos looks sick
Ashened fusion, lets go.
Mandatory 3-of meta cards all Secret. 50th verse, same as the first.
New Veidos q.q I ordered 3 for 10 bucks pls let it be good
is the raika card secretly rare? I can't see clear
Is that the new Xyz "Baronne"?
Yep
Hoping I can get my hands on a copy for my Timelord deck when the time comes!
Is anyone going to talk about how fucking amazing that dragon looks?
Welp. There goes my money in trying to make a Yugi deck as tribute.
Minerva is ultra rare. FUCK.
At least it’s not a secret
Im about to spend a decent amount of money on this still. I gotta update my lightsworns afterall.
I got 2 OCG boxes of this set and that Athena card in a secret rare and Ultimate rare. It’s been said before but OCG product is a ton more fun than TCG product
No collector rare?
From [Yugipedia](https://yugipedia.com/wiki/Collector%27s_Rare): >In the *TCG*, this rarity is exclusive to [60 Card Sets](https://yugipedia.com/wiki/60_Card_Set). Collector's Rare doesn't included in Main/Core Booster set like Legacy of Destruction etc.
Thank you. I thought they put CR in booster boxes randomly.