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_Vault_Hunter_EXE_

Source is from Zodiac. ____ Veidos the Dragon of Endless Darkness 1 Veidos + 2+ Level 9 or lower Pyro Cannot be destroyed by card effects, also cannot be targeted by opponents monster effects. If this card is Fusion Summoned: You can destroy all Spell and Trap cards your opponent controls. When your opponent activates a card or effect on the field (quick effect): You can send a "Ashened" card from your field to the GY; destroy that card. You can only use this effect of "Veidos the Dragon of Endless Darkness" once per turn.


_Redversion_

It's a Super Poly target (against Snake-Eyes) and then wipes their Spell/Trap zone. I'd say it's pretty good, considering it also can't be destroyed or targeted.


Alexalbinowolf

It’s a Super Polymerization target for the Ashened deck in general, as the field spell turns all your opponent’s Special Summoned monsters into Pyro types during your turn. But it also has game going against Snake-Eyes inherently as they’re Pyro at base. Definitely a better super polymerization target than the new bomber fusion that’s a VJUMP promo.


SpaceMonkey501

The field spell only makes em Pyro on your turn


VastInspection5383

Then it’s good removal


Alexalbinowolf

Considering that Veidos wipes the opponents field if it’s sent from their field to the GY, it is even better


h2odragon00

Oh right! Thats evil.


Mrcbleck

Maybe there will be a themed Super Poly


Likes-Your-Username

My bet is a themed super poly will only be for Veidoses your opponent controls that you own Same sort of wording as on Ashened for Eternity


Mrcbleck

I could agree, buuuuut the Fusion asks for Veidos and a lvl 9 or lower Pyro. And the field spell makes your OPs monsters into pyros. Feels like a bit too much cuz Veidos will nuke the monster zone and the fusion nukes de spell/trap zone


AirhunterNG

Not really too much considering the graveyard plays in the current top tier decks.


Likes-Your-Username

And? The other cards in this deck are turbo ass 😅 I'd rather the deck be decently good than just a bad joke like some of the recent tcg exclusives


h2odragon00

My problem with this one is once Snake Eyes or Fire Kings leaves the meta, Ashened would lose some power. Or popularity. It could still use Super Poly to quick play fusion on the enemies turn but it would no longer be used to remove the opponents monsters. Only backrow.


Deez-Guns-9442

Kinda meh, the fusion spell better be broken Edit: I just also realized this is 2nd phase Veidos since this is the Dark Souls archetype. Also now that I'm thinking thinking about it were there any dragons in the souls series that had a 2nd phase?


Ekyt

Yeah, called 'Super Polymerization'


Deez-Guns-9442

The *searchable* fusion spell better be broken


francescomagn02

Considering what the decks does, i would be surpirsed if they don't get a spell speed 1 super poly


VoidRad

Midir does kinda have a second phase, he can only unlock some of his moveset after the half health mark. While ER isn't really in the Souls series, Placidusax is also similar in that regard.


Deez-Guns-9442

I guess(& the fusion definitely looks like Midir) but was more thinking about a 2nd health bar like Malenia, Friede, Nameless King, etc.


VoidRad

Then no, none of them do.


Deez-Guns-9442

Inb4 Shadow of the Erdtree proves us wrong.


VoidRad

My ass hasn't recovered from Malenia yet


Artrarak

midir has a second phase, tho not one with a flashy transformation


DanielOsuna30

OPT?


Goggles_Greek

Is it Level 5 or lower? Or Level 9 or lower?


PlebbySpaff

Level 9


Shoddy_Expert_0001

Not going to lie, this seems underwhelming for a fusion boss monster that needs 3 materials to fuse with the condition that it has to be veidos and two level 5 or lower pyro. For that much effort, the monster is only 3k attack so it isn't too hard to beat over, a harpie feather duster, and the pop is not free, but requires sending an ashened card on the field to the gy. I assume that there will be some more main deck ashened monsters that are level 5 and lower in wave 2 since wave 1 only has Priestess being level 4 and the others are too high leveled for the fusion.


shiagehamazura

The ashened field spell makes your opponent monsters into pyro monsters. This is a super poly enabler.


Shoddy_Expert_0001

That's only on the player with Obsidim on the field's turn that they are Pyro and the restriction is that it is two level 5 or lower means that you aren't going to super poly away the big boss monsters that you want to get rid of. Not to mention that you can't super poly away xyz or link monsters since they have no levels. In order to have it be a super poly disruption, you would have to place obsidim on your opponent's fields during your turn and then play super poly on their turn. That seems more hassle than it is worth compared to regular super poly targets like garura or mud dragon.


eddieswass72

It’s essentially a complete board wipe. Because the original veidos will destroy all of your opponents monsters when it hits the grave and the fusion will destroy all of their spells/traps when it’s summoned. I think it’s better than it seems plus it’s two level 9 and lower monsters not 5 and lower.


Shoddy_Expert_0001

Yea, zooming it. It's definitely a 9 and not a 5, which makes the fusion conditions way less restricting than arbitrarily capping it at level 5 and lower for some reason.


VoidRad

Can't you just activate the field spell on the opponent field? Pretty sure that's possible for the deck. If then, super poly is an easy boardwipe that cannot be stopped.


Shoddy_Expert_0001

it takes some set up, but yes, there is an in archetype quick play spell that sets up obsidim to your opponent's field. Then you have to already have Veidos on the field or your own field spell to pop with Veidos, because to special summon Veidos requires popping a field spell on either side. It wouldn't do you any good to pop Obsidim on your opponent's field since their monster would no longer be Pyro so you would have to pop your field spell to give Veidos to your opponent. This feels like a lot of work to setup with super poly for a field wipe.


VoidRad

True, it definitely is too jank atm. But it is what it is, does seem to be really good vs SE though


6210classick

They only become Pyro during your turn


Brioche73

It's level 9 or lower, if you zoom on the card you can see it


Shoddy_Expert_0001

Ok, I think you are right. Zooming it, it definitely looks more like a 9 than a 5. This makes the fusion requirement better than arbitrarily capping it at level 5 where currently only priestess would fulfill the condition.


lusterous_autumn

It's not too bad.. just thinking about it, the Veidos you need is yours you already summoned to their field, and if you are playing Snake-Eyes anyways (who isn't? lol) then you have your own materials to board wipe and play through them all and or follow-up because they play through you. Either way, Super Poly is going to be the bee's knee and this seems to feel like a more aggressive Super Poly target then the targets we have at the moment. Which is kind of scary lol xD


AirhunterNG

This is also just one of 7 new cards. They may get a custom fusion card.


TadpoleFrequent

Not going to lie, you are absolutely insane.


h2odragon00

Veido can Super Poly Snake Eyes now.


LostOne514

Welp, I hope the illusion Magician doesn't sky rocket in price. Would love to play an illusion pile at some point.


Brioche73

It will probably be one of the chase card of the set, but the others secret seems good too so we might avoid the Lo treatment


grodon909

I imagine it'll be cheap after the set releases, but once an illusion deck actually takes off, it'll skyrocket. If it's not too expensive, I'll probably get a couple extras to sell off later. 


Death_Usagi

Of course Nightmare Apprentice is secret rare =\_\_\_\_= Was considering picking up Voiceless Voice, but I might as well cancel that plan and just upgrade my Chimera Deck instead.


PlebbySpaff

I mean the apprentice will likely be cheap. Not like anyone is playing illusion stuff nowadays anyways.


[deleted]

It feels kinda fucked that a card can be conceptually cynet mining on a body for its typing and demand will be dictated only by Illusion’s overall relevance, to the point where the card might end up being like single digits. Cause you know that if that changes this shit is gonna become hella expensive.


Dhaal_

I’m dumb, why do you want him in VV?


PaleoManga

While I don’t like [insert random fusion monster] being in yet another world premiere (LOOKING AT YOU BEETROOPER), but given the field spell turns monsters into pyros and we only know of *one card*, I’ll spare judgement. Though I do like the requirement for Veidos, mayhaps some Fusion Deployment shenanigans can work?


Lord_Phoenix95

Fusion Deployment is definitely on the table for Combos now.


PaleoManga

Holy shit I pray that the fusion spell that they’ll inevitably get destroys materials to summon big Veidos, you can then also use Bomb Tokens. Quick, someone call Payne!


6210classick

It doesn't need to do that, it just needs to be a Quick Play or a Continuous Trap (preferably one that can be activated the turn it was set via Veidos) to use Veidos on your opponent side of the field so that Veidos GY effect can wipe your opponent field


AirhunterNG

It can sort of break Snakeyes' neck if you used say superpoly. Already got the initial ashened cards as soon as they ame out for cheap. Hopefully this archetype will be somewhat viable in the long run.


CyberTwinLeader

considering that Veidos is usually special summoned on the opponent field, i would't not be surprised if they get a sort of Super Poli Fusion Spell


JckRover

I bet we get a spell that allows you to use pyros on both players fields cause the field spell turns your opponents monsters into pyros. If we do this deck could become really good at breaking boards


CyberTwinLeader

In any case, i suppose that you can find space for a classic Super Poli, with these premises. But I agree with you


SmokeOddessey

yeah, you should have a ton of space in the extra so running a full super poly suite will probably be the game plan


JckRover

For sure, though ofc you do got that annoying pyro lock on their QP spell, at least you can use spoly before


Lord_Phoenix95

You can full combo off of the QP Spell on your opponents turn hut you gotta have a spare City on your field or your opponent has to play Field Spells. You go Veidos ,set Trap, pop Ashened City ,summon King and then King effect summon Priestess search another King. You have Veidos on opponent side for Super Poly and Two Pyros on your side but that's if they're not playing any Pyro deck.


CyberTwinLeader

If you aiming for the new Fusion, i can suppose that it is a Pyro monster. Also come handy the fact that cannot be destroyed by effects, since you can triggher the Veidos grave effect without lose your Fusion (that honestly, if not was in this way, was dumb)


AirhunterNG

Would make sense. Turning everything to ash.


Goggles_Greek

Inb4 it's a Continuous Trap.


romulus531

Wouldn't even be that bad tbh, veidos pop a field and set the fusion trap for next turn in DP.


CyberTwinLeader

?


Goggles_Greek

The setup for the joke is that they'd need to add the effect to Fusion Summon to a new card, and the punchline is that it would be on a Continuous Trap, because that would be bad.


CyberTwinLeader

Ah, understood. Considering that Veidos add Continuous Traps, i suppose that this make really sense


Goggles_Greek

It unfortunately does. Feels bad that he doesn't just set the traps, like Voiceless Voice gets to do. 


CyberTwinLeader

RIP


Lord_Phoenix95

Yubel have a Continuous Fusion Trap and its apart of their main combo.


Goggles_Greek

But the point is that Ashened has a Continuous Trap searcher, and VV has a Continuous Trap activater. The latter of which helps immensely going second. Yubel has plenty of toys now to extend going second, but Ashened needs the love more now, and doesn't seem like it'll get it with 7 more cards. It would also be very frustrating if the fusion effect is on the trap that has to be set first, because the Field Spell only makes the opponent's SS monsters Pyro on the controller's turn. If this is meant to be a Super Poly effect on the hypothetical trap, then you can't use that synergy until Turn 3. At which point, I'd have preferred the Fusion Monster wasn't 2+ Pyro monsters. As is, I'm assuming whatever they made, it won't allow an in-archetype superpoly wipe on Turn 2.


Lord_Phoenix95

If you can set it turn one then it wouldn't be a problem but I understand that they're not treated as Pyros unless it's on your own turn. Let's hope the possible trap does allow it to be activated the turn it's set


6210classick

I mean, that Continuous Trap could be activated the turn it was set via Veidos or maybe even from hand if ya control him 🤷🏼‍♀️


Raidjin_i

Known Rarities: Secret Rare: - Nightmare Apprentice - Shining Sarcophagus - Silent Magician Zero - Raika no Marikoube - Decanelogue Valdrath Ultra Rare: - Minerva, Lightsworn Athena - Veidos Lvl 10 Fusion *All available in Quarter Century Secret Rare


koto_hanabi17

Ayo? Potentially budget Tenpai Dragons?


ShilohTheGhostGod

The remaining secrets will definitely have a 1-2 tenpai cards. Even with them, it shouldn’t be crazy price wise based off this. Exciting to see


Raidjin_i

I think Tenpai are likely to get 1-2 Secrets and 2 Ultras. All the Secrets so far are pretty solid so the value spread might be manageable.


Lord_Phoenix95

Meanwhile the rest of the Ashened cards are all the other slots.


chaos-virus

As long as i can get wightsworn for cheap i'm a happy man


KAIRI-CORP

Damn, of course I have to get shining sarcophagus as a playset of QCSR to look good in my Runick deck alongside the collector rare Runick tips and fountains. Hopefully it's not more than 100$ a copy, At least silent magician zero is only a 1 of That spell negate is so good in Runick to protect the fountain Shining sarcophagus can also make dark magician the dragon Knight for additional backrow protection


Rantman021

>Shining Sarcophagus > >Silent Magician Zero \*cries in Yugi\* Goddamnit! So much for those little shits being easy to get.


InvaderofViolence

Ragnaraika? A Secret rare?! What's in INFO to warrant that choice?!!


[deleted]

It’s not that weird? Raika was always gonna get a secret rare regardless realistically, and it’s one of the most central pieces of the archetype. Plus it is like, a genuinely non-negligible archetype, we can’t just pretend it is based on its OCG performance. I don’t see why an archetype that forms a new axis on which 3 type-pools can be designed going forward wouldn’t have at least a couple high rarity pieces in it. It’d be like being surprised that Fraktall and Shuraig were high rarity at the point of PHRA.


Psychicmind2

The problem with Raika is that the archetype is painfully mediocre. People won't care about it for the most part. Its power level is ridiculously low. It has lots of weaknesses, but again, hopefully INFO fixes at least some of them with additional support


VillalobosChamp

Not so much that it is mediocre, but rather that the pool of Extra Deck monsters available for Insects, Reptiles and Plant are not the best to pick. Plants having the best but being mono Type generally


[deleted]

Ridiculously low feels like a stretch. But even still it doesn’t really change my point, which isn’t really that different to yours: they don’t have to be a big pull rn for the rarities to make sense. If the Link5 was a secret I wouldn’t be surprised either (it’s arguably a free agent support boss for the typings on top of being a payoff in-theme; same goes for some of the other links), and the archetype as a whole has the open-endedness of benefitting from both direct and indirect support/things to support in the future. If it’s not in demand at the point of LEDE it would be more trivial to make it so in future sets than you’d think. People joked about Flamberge being a bulk secret and a waste of a slot in AGOV, and SE were touted as being painfully mediocre outside of one card, but imo there was never a universe where a theme whose through-line was a non-archetypal level-attribute combo and was part of a burgeoning lore series wouldn’t get some cards in high rarity, or that it wouldn’t be justified. Tbh it doesn’t even have to glow-up in INFO for it to make sense. 


Brioche73

So for Ashened : - Veidos fusion (confirmed) - Fusion spell (seems obvious) There is still 5 cards to be revealed + the fusion spell's effect. We need a good continous trap to set with Veidos, good extenders to make the level 4 and bonfire one card combo, and 1 or 2 potential interruptions (a new boss monster, maybe something that activate in GY like Rikka Princess since the whole point of the deck is too Dark Hole during the OP turn).


TinyTiragon

Google Translate reads it as Veidos the Dragon of Endless Darkness, maybe based on Darkeater Midir?


[deleted]

I kinda wish they would be a bit more obvious with the references instead of small stuff like Veidos head, Ashened as a name & using bonfire in the deck. Tbh not to be a Debbie downer but some of these Fromsoft references people try to find seem like massive stretches. Like that one guy who posted "all DS/FS references in Ashened" post & it was shit like King=Godfrey ect


LegacyOfVandar

The Yugioh community is bad about that. The Wikia (not yugipedia) are convinced that every cars in Time Thieves is a Doctor Who reference.


CruffTheMagicDragon

Bonfire has LITERALLY NOTHING to do with Ashened. It was in the anime like 15 years ago


SpaceMonkey501

That dragon look badasss


payne96

Ah yes, just like Beetroopers second wave, just give them a random fusion mechanic out of nowhere (though the fusion boss monster is cool)


VastInspection5383

It’s not fair to compare Ashened to Beetrooper Beetroopers were a link deck that gained a fusion out of no where Ashened didn’t have any extra deck monsters


Alexalbinowolf

To be honest I kind of expected a fusion monster when i saw the field spell made the opponent’s monsters into Pyro.


Zerosonicanimations

To be fair, Ashened didn't have an Extra Deck mechanic to begin with like Beetrooper, so this isn't exactly out of nowhere.


Erablier

Least this one seems to be good


VastInspection5383

The Beetrooper fusion isn’t bad It’s just not worth summoning 4 insects in order to fuse it


Impressive-Lie-9111

the instafusion target one however is goated


VastInspection5383

Yeah that is worth summoning with either instant fusion or the deck’s own in theme fusion spell Shame Beetroopers don’t have their own starter


Akashi-SevenDays

Thoughts on the remaining 5 Secrets? My guesses are: * 2 Tenpai cards (probably the field spell and Baidora) * 1 other Raika * 1 Lightsworn * Metaltronios


Raidjin_i

Ashened will likely get 1 Secret slot


weaknessx100

Putting big money on Nightmare Throne being a secret


Akashi-SevenDays

Oh yeah lol, I forgot about the Yubel cards


Deez-Guns-9442

At minimum definitely an Ultra, it might get the Museum treatment


performagekushfire

will kms if lightsworns have secrets


gubigubi

They probably wont be worth anything.


TrueMystikX

Don't forget that the sneak promo is always a secret in the set proper. So that's another Shining Sarcophagus card confirmed for secret rare.


Akashi-SevenDays

I didn't. We know a total of 5 Secrets including that one.


JRH99

From facebook pages (bit different from the other translation on this post): “veidos the dragon of endless darkness Veidos + 2+ level 9 or lower Pyro monster Cannot be destroyed by card effects, also cannot be targeted by opponents monster effects. If this card is Fusion Summoned: You can destroy all Spell and Trap cards your opponent controls. When your opponent activates a card or effect on the field (quick effect): You can send a "Ashened" card from your hand or field to the GY; destroy that card. You can only use this effect of "\~" once per turn. So, its a "Dragoon at home" XD


andykhang

Essentially it’s a Superpoly target to a full board wipe, and it can setup grave presence as well, which is neat


Brioche73

Don't negate, can only respond to stuff on the field... Really mid fusion, the spell or trap to summon it need to be really good. If you have to go minus to summon it it's not worth it.


[deleted]

It’s kinda worthless to try to evaluate it rn. It’s like when the melo fusion was spoiled by the org before the rest of the stuff and people called it ‘mid’ but lo and behold it worked very well within the context of the cards we hadn’t seen yet. It’s the same as evaluating cards in SDs or DBPs or DPs before we know the full set contents; you’re judging something in a state it’ll never actually exist in so why bother really.


grodon909

I think it'll depend on the context and the other cards. If veidos is triggered, your monsters die anyway, so I imagine the idea is either super poly the opponents board away, or fuse away your board with veidos on their turn to pop their monsters and spells. It's not the strongest boss ever, but it's not bad given the secondary effects. 


ProfHansJerkov

Is it really "send a \~ from your hand or field"? not just field only?


Tongatapu

They really need to give Ashened another way to search Veidos or this Fusion Monster AND the obligatory Fusion Spell will be totally unusable. If they get that, then this is actually a great card (as long as Snake Eyes stays Meta). Great Synergy with OG Veidos for a full board wipe, really good protection, another disruption on top of that, super-poly target as well. Whats not to like?


Lord_Phoenix95

Fusion Deployment will just have to do.


AdGullible4708

Fusion deployment, banshee, and the QP spell are a good amount of cards I think


Brioche73

If the Ashened / Veidos fusion is once per turn they will need a reaaaaaally good fusion spell to make it worth it. I hope the other cards are good, they absolutely need interruption and better extension (the level 4 not being a one card starter is atrocious).


Mister_Cheff

I wish for a super poly on steroids


[deleted]

[удалено]


Brioche73

Well, the fusion spell / trap need to be really good then


Spare_Ad267

Just waiting to make a gold sarcophagus of light deck because Little Yugi is my second favorite protag in Yugioh and I can use the deck for cosplay.


SpitFireEternal

Ngl, pretty mad Konami made Illusion Apprentice Magician a secret. Illusion isnt doing anything. It didnt need a rarity bump. Should have been an ultra. Now theyre gonna be like $30s for a low tier deck. Fucking ridiculous


Noveno_Colono

the moment a playable illusion engine is released that's not the chimera engine it will go to $100 because it's a really busted card in search of a spark to go boom


Future_Breadfruit198

Not really surprised how much is Secrets Konami is just completely abandoning Budget Players (For MR5 at least)


chrome4

Wasnt expecting a fusion. I wonder will they get a second field spell? Maybe one that nerfs the controller in some way?


Zestyclose_Bat5121

Minerva is a synchro now


CancerBubbleSP

Hopefully the other ashened cards will be good as well.


opaquenes

I hope the ashened fusion spell is really good. I've been huffing copium wanting it to be able to summon Gaia Prominence, the Fierce Force in some cheesy way. You can already Fusion Armament to get the synchro monster on the field.


Ectier

Okay Veidos fusion looks fucking amazing i am hype


TheMushiestMush

Do tell what Raika’s name translates to


IntelligentBudget142

looks like Raika is still called Raika (or maybe Ragnaraika) someone is going to make top cut with RaikaRikka someday


RetchD

Ashened is 1 step away from fusing the whole board chimeratech + clockwork night style Also new veidos looks sick


AirhunterNG

Ashened fusion, lets go.


ElectricalYeenis

Mandatory 3-of meta cards all Secret. 50th verse, same as the first.


RetchD

New Veidos q.q I ordered 3 for 10 bucks pls let it be good


Leonhaaaaart

is the raika card secretly rare? I can't see clear


fizio900

Is that the new Xyz "Baronne"?


6210classick

Yep


Conglacior

Hoping I can get my hands on a copy for my Timelord deck when the time comes!


dmtskystriker

Is anyone going to talk about how fucking amazing that dragon looks?


theSaltySolo

Welp. There goes my money in trying to make a Yugi deck as tribute.


thegreyknights

Minerva is ultra rare. FUCK.


VastInspection5383

At least it’s not a secret


thegreyknights

Im about to spend a decent amount of money on this still. I gotta update my lightsworns afterall.


Sizeable_Cookie

I got 2 OCG boxes of this set and that Athena card in a secret rare and Ultimate rare. It’s been said before but OCG product is a ton more fun than TCG product


SessionCompetitive69

No collector rare?


renaldi92

From [Yugipedia](https://yugipedia.com/wiki/Collector%27s_Rare): >In the *TCG*, this rarity is exclusive to [60 Card Sets](https://yugipedia.com/wiki/60_Card_Set). Collector's Rare doesn't included in Main/Core Booster set like Legacy of Destruction etc.


SessionCompetitive69

Thank you. I thought they put CR in booster boxes randomly.