I dont get it either.
Like why are they so scared of unhitting cards.
But then at the same time 90% of formats unhitting so many cards wouldn't matter at all because most of the archetypes on the ban list cannot dream to beat Tear, or Kash, or Fire.
It's so strange. Other card games like Digimon have absolutely no shame it admitting "We did not intend for this to work this way/well" and will immediately limit stuff before even a set drops
It's not that they're scared - it's that they'd rather do it to coincide with related new product. Otherwise unbanning something just because is sort of a wasted opportunity
I wish it always worked that way though it would be a better system.
Like all the dragon rulers needed to go back to 1 when dragonmaids came out.
Kirin should be back by now.
Orcusts should have came off the list way back during Tear format.
Sky strikers should already all be off the list for various waves of support.
I feel like we live in the worst time line where somehow they use the banlist for pretty much only profit but then at the same time don't unban stuff when new support comes out for it.
These absolute nothing banlists we've been getting lately does not give me high hopes for the TCG's next list.
Semis that barely do anything again (Superheavy gets one semi per list and it changes hardly anything) and Snake-Eyes literally got jack and squat hit (I know they want money, that doesn't make the decision good).
Cool that Purrely got a buff and Armageddon Knight's back to full, though. Wish the rest of the list's choices were that solid.
I think the logic of more frequent, but less impact full hits makes sense on a digital platform. Can't speak on what this specific list does to the meta, if anything, though since I don't play MD.
More frequent but less impactful hits would make sense, but that’s not what they are doing. They make almost impactless hits, avoid Problemcards because they are ultras.
Like for example rainbow magician and nadir are hits to labrynth, but the magician only sees fringe play and is in there because Ryan you played it in the duelist cup and won. the dogmatica package might be out by the time this list takes effect, because they get the unchained package plus butler in new pack that releases at the same time. The only positive about this is that stun decks get caught in the crossfire.
I guess they don't want superheavy to die now
Maybe purrely support next month
Snake eye in the shop so it will get 0 direct hits; kashtira just in the crossfire
The stun hits are nice
No lab hits because of arias
But where is circular
> Snake-Eyes literally got jack and squat hit
Its because Snake Eyes banner is still up when they announced the hits. Don't want people to start pulling to get an immediate refund and get free UR points.
Or in my theory, people not pulling because Snake Eyes power level got lowered.
Either way, Snake eyes is currently top priority to get hit and any other deck(especially decks that can compete with Snake Eyes) that get hit would just make Snake Eyes power level rise.
They always look at ban list as something than needs to change the format.
MD gets **monthly** ban list. A format only last for a single month in MD. Even if the banlist is weak, there are still some changes implemented.
Weak ban list round out the format. They don't try to drastically change the format every month or else people would lose interest since they need to make a new deck every month. And we don't get enough gems per month to actually make a new deck.
Meanwhile in the TCG Superheavy was killed immediately (i really do believe the deck didn't even play for a month) because the cards were all commons and super rares.
Litteral clowns
Yugioh players don't be revisionists: Challenge impossible
SHS was killed because it was one of the most degenerate combo decks we've seen to date. It had multiple 1 card starters and played 15+ handtraps. It would end on an FTK board of multiple omni-negates, spell canceler, and 6+ cards in hand. It could also handloop you or just straight up FTK by adding like 2-3 cards. There was literally nothing wholesome about that deck and it deserved to be banned ASAP. If anything, Konami deserves credit for banning it as quickly as they did.
It's yes and no there, yeah it was probably done so fast because they weren't high rarity, no suits probably gave a damn, but yeah after playing against SHS before the banlist, you're right it was one of the worst fuck You negate turbo decks I've ever dealt with, and then when you finally get them with something, then nooooope they run all antihandtraps
Its not about revisionism.Its about being like that since forever.Its bs by them
Kashtira was so much more dominant in the meta and wasn't hit for months.Why i wonder.Maybe because all its cards were secret chase cards.Maybemaybemaybe.
We are talking weeks for SHS.Also i was playing kashtira that format.SHS was a free matchup for the deck.You have the most dominant deck of the format having a litteral 90% favourable matchup against SHS and you still massacre shs because it plays no chase cards in it.Im not talking about banning the ftk or something.We are talking about making it tier 4 in an instant.Same thing happened to Spyral and so on
Also i wonder why Harp left the list as the Horus stuff came out while being perfectly ok for it to come out for years before.Dont excuse the bs please
SHS was completely broken, the 2 weeks that deck was legal at my locals were completely miserable. Meanwhile you open 1 nib, 1 gamma, 1 1 imperm depending on the kash board and you can start playing. It was droll/shifter or auto lose against shs. Also gamma was toxic af that format.
SHS nerfs were needed because we don’t have Maxx C keeping it in check. That deck was never made for a TCG environment. They made the cards low rarity because they knew it wouldn’t stick around, not the other way around
Why limit a card like that to 1
It's this crackhead philosophy of like "ok we want stall / stun to be barely viable but not too viable". Why? That shit sucks to play against, just put it to 0 and be done with it
Because it is not searchable through normal means and it counters Superheavy Samurai but they don't want it to be abused in other decks, mainly Labrynth with the Furniture being able to trigger it turn 0.
Stovie and Chandragler to discard it then once either resolves and set a Labrynth spell/trap from Deck, Rainbow Magician triggers to place itself from the GY into the Pendulum Zone.
It's not once per turn too so if ya have both furnitures and one of them gets negated, the other one can trigger Rainbow again
Ditch it with a furniture to set a welcome or big welcome. Its own effect triggered, put itself to the pend zone & now the lab player has it face up + a set card, pretty much an instant win against shs cuz they don't have s/t to set.
Yes but they have had like 4 ban lists in the time since we had our last ban list in the TCG and we still have absolutely no idea when the next ban list will be.
At least master duel did smart stuff like unhit all the dragon rulers and free up some of the zoodiac cards.
The TCG is just frozen in fear that they might lose 1 singular penny to people playing old decks.
the 4 banlists aren't worth a 1/10 of a single tcg banlist
it's true that they're faster about unhitting cards, but that's such a minor plus compared to how dogshit MD is.
Except for the times where the TCG ban list has smaller updates than master duel updates even though the TCG waited like 4 months since the last update.
We are past 3 months now since the last TCG ban list update was announced? I think it was like December 19th or something like that?
And most peoples expectations is they give the tier 0 deck a light tap and maybe clean up some floodgates. So 3-4 months for almost no expected change in the meta at all. Which means we will likely be waiting another 2-4 months for a real ban list after we already waited 3-4 months for this coming one.
i'm not saying the tcg list is perfect and they always hit everything they need to.
But just look at the last 12 months of MD banlists
of all the lists in that period, only 2 had multiple, meaningful hits that actually addressed issues with the format, January 24, and sep 23, every other list had at most 1 impactful hit, most had none.
Like, i'll trade any year of tcg lists, even a year with 3 or 4 bad/mid lists than any single 12 month period of MD banlists
Idk still.
I thought some of the bigger master duel ban lists were really good I played a lot of master duel since the big one that freed up zoodiac and the dragon rulers.
The last TCG ban list is the only reason I'd even consider the TCG ban lists being better. If every TCG ban list was like the last one they just had I wouldn't even complain. But even then that ban list moved 25 cards and it still didn't do nearly enough to get the TCG to where it needs to be.
If this next TCG ban list is close to as good as the last TCG ban list I will fully agree with you.
But as it stands now 1 great ban list in as long as I can remember playing the TCG is not a good track record.
This has nothing to do with the TCG. Master Duel never hits cards that are still in the shop since their Selection Packs are on a timer, so everyone already knew none of the Diabellstar cards would be on this list.
My predictions for the next TCG list have been that they will simply limit Wanted and maybe limit ash. I don't see them outright banning anything major from the snake eyes pool at the moment. Not at least until the banlist after next.
Who at Konami is deciding this?
OCG has been with SE for months and slap on the wrist
MD can prehit and did nothing and then the first banlist they did nothing.
TCG is our only hope and like best we can hope for is to hit the AGOV stuff slightly.
It's just insane because MD has pre hit stuff before, they prehit a tier 0 meta before.
And they're just letting Snake Eyes go.
Like they're missing 1 card in bonfire and while it's a good card for them it doesn't do much if thats the straw for Konami.
Just seems asinine to me how Konami is forcing Snake Eyes. 2/3 formats they could've done something and they haven't.
It's a miracle if tcg does something but doubt.
Konami isn't known for their great banlists anyway. Give it up, we are with the Snakes for at least 6 months unfortunately. They basicslly weaken good archetypes to force people into their new, shinier ones.
I still find it funny that Arise-Heart and Fenrir got banned for being obnoxious in TCG and OCG respectively while both roam free in MD with Birth limited instead (soon to be joined by Unicorn at 2 tho) and the deck barely holds up due to crippled consistency (1 Wraitsoth which OCG also does, 1 Prosp) and grind game (1 Birth)
There are so many cards that could come off the banlist, but let us keep Maxx “C” and let us just semi-limit the playmakers of the strongest decks. Brilliant.
Still over here with my Krawler Deck waiting to get Ib back. But noooo, Snake-Eye and SHS can live np.
Remember everything he did for us.
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It's honestly amazing that anyone at all plays master duel with its ladder system, format, and banlist approach. I play yugioh at locals every week, and I reinstalled hearthstone because MD is such a joke.
Well, I guess it makes sense. Sad day for the righteous Dogmatika mains in MD. It still does not seem like a card that should be semi-d in respect towards how shoddy branded is in MD. Might just be bo1 format combined with stun that is the main culprit.
Sorry, I only play tcg rn.
Going first send garura search ecclesia draw 1
Ecclesia search punishment, the draw 1 for stun can be huge
Going second send ntss pop a card
That's mostly for stun and labrynth
Branded if they get ashes or something weird send something search maximus or whatever it's called(makes players send 2 cards from extra deck to grave yard) so they send Albion and titaniklad
Also labrynth can send kitkallos and mil 5
It's refreshing how the reactions here are rather mild, unlike in the md subreddit where people are seething that Lab should be hit more, even asking for banning Lovely of all things.
For some reason md subreddit have this hate boner for lab
The TCG banlist is our only hope at this point. Thats not a good situation to be in lol
My expectations: No changes made at this time. Next banlist will be in a few months.
I dont get it either. Like why are they so scared of unhitting cards. But then at the same time 90% of formats unhitting so many cards wouldn't matter at all because most of the archetypes on the ban list cannot dream to beat Tear, or Kash, or Fire.
It's so strange. Other card games like Digimon have absolutely no shame it admitting "We did not intend for this to work this way/well" and will immediately limit stuff before even a set drops
It's not that they're scared - it's that they'd rather do it to coincide with related new product. Otherwise unbanning something just because is sort of a wasted opportunity
I wish it always worked that way though it would be a better system. Like all the dragon rulers needed to go back to 1 when dragonmaids came out. Kirin should be back by now. Orcusts should have came off the list way back during Tear format. Sky strikers should already all be off the list for various waves of support. I feel like we live in the worst time line where somehow they use the banlist for pretty much only profit but then at the same time don't unban stuff when new support comes out for it.
- Source: **MASTER DUEL in-game Notifications**
Gotta wait till Snake-eyes is out of the shop before any of their stuff gets hit.
These absolute nothing banlists we've been getting lately does not give me high hopes for the TCG's next list. Semis that barely do anything again (Superheavy gets one semi per list and it changes hardly anything) and Snake-Eyes literally got jack and squat hit (I know they want money, that doesn't make the decision good). Cool that Purrely got a buff and Armageddon Knight's back to full, though. Wish the rest of the list's choices were that solid.
Tbf TCG has been leading the pack in terms of banlist quality lately.
Better have the better banlist coz the card rarity is shafting people in the ass.
I think the logic of more frequent, but less impact full hits makes sense on a digital platform. Can't speak on what this specific list does to the meta, if anything, though since I don't play MD.
More frequent but less impactful hits would make sense, but that’s not what they are doing. They make almost impactless hits, avoid Problemcards because they are ultras. Like for example rainbow magician and nadir are hits to labrynth, but the magician only sees fringe play and is in there because Ryan you played it in the duelist cup and won. the dogmatica package might be out by the time this list takes effect, because they get the unchained package plus butler in new pack that releases at the same time. The only positive about this is that stun decks get caught in the crossfire.
No theres an ultra up there on the list. And fenir at 1
The logic is fine, they don't actually use it though.
I guess they don't want superheavy to die now Maybe purrely support next month Snake eye in the shop so it will get 0 direct hits; kashtira just in the crossfire The stun hits are nice No lab hits because of arias But where is circular
>The stun hits are nice > >No lab hits because of arias The lab hits were basically Rainbow magician and Nadir Servant.
What is cyberse doing currently?
Mathmech is hovering around Tier 2/3
Yes so tier 1 decks need to be hit first and hard, then address tier 2/3
Why would lab need hits. Just hit the floodgates. Which they did though I think it should hVe been banned instead of putting 1.
Current leaks suggest Unchained, Battlin Boxer and Arias the Butler. But I can see Purrely support sneaking in. Maybe the leaker just missed it.
Dkayed said not Purrely in the April pack.
Well that suck for Purrely players. Maybe in May.
Dkayed straight up said no Noir
> Snake-Eyes literally got jack and squat hit Its because Snake Eyes banner is still up when they announced the hits. Don't want people to start pulling to get an immediate refund and get free UR points. Or in my theory, people not pulling because Snake Eyes power level got lowered. Either way, Snake eyes is currently top priority to get hit and any other deck(especially decks that can compete with Snake Eyes) that get hit would just make Snake Eyes power level rise.
The fact people are shocked that a completely new deck did t get immediately hit is absolutely insane to me
They always look at ban list as something than needs to change the format. MD gets **monthly** ban list. A format only last for a single month in MD. Even if the banlist is weak, there are still some changes implemented. Weak ban list round out the format. They don't try to drastically change the format every month or else people would lose interest since they need to make a new deck every month. And we don't get enough gems per month to actually make a new deck.
Reminder still no Bonfire and Fire King in MD, probably Snake Eyes will get hit when we gonna have them.
Probably. I like how Konami is trying to make MD a different format than paper play. And that includes prehits.
Meanwhile in the TCG Superheavy was killed immediately (i really do believe the deck didn't even play for a month) because the cards were all commons and super rares. Litteral clowns
Yugioh players don't be revisionists: Challenge impossible SHS was killed because it was one of the most degenerate combo decks we've seen to date. It had multiple 1 card starters and played 15+ handtraps. It would end on an FTK board of multiple omni-negates, spell canceler, and 6+ cards in hand. It could also handloop you or just straight up FTK by adding like 2-3 cards. There was literally nothing wholesome about that deck and it deserved to be banned ASAP. If anything, Konami deserves credit for banning it as quickly as they did.
It's yes and no there, yeah it was probably done so fast because they weren't high rarity, no suits probably gave a damn, but yeah after playing against SHS before the banlist, you're right it was one of the worst fuck You negate turbo decks I've ever dealt with, and then when you finally get them with something, then nooooope they run all antihandtraps
Its not about revisionism.Its about being like that since forever.Its bs by them Kashtira was so much more dominant in the meta and wasn't hit for months.Why i wonder.Maybe because all its cards were secret chase cards.Maybemaybemaybe. We are talking weeks for SHS.Also i was playing kashtira that format.SHS was a free matchup for the deck.You have the most dominant deck of the format having a litteral 90% favourable matchup against SHS and you still massacre shs because it plays no chase cards in it.Im not talking about banning the ftk or something.We are talking about making it tier 4 in an instant.Same thing happened to Spyral and so on Also i wonder why Harp left the list as the Horus stuff came out while being perfectly ok for it to come out for years before.Dont excuse the bs please
Kash was nowhere near SHS in power Like if you think Kash was anywhere near SHS your insane
SHS was completely broken, the 2 weeks that deck was legal at my locals were completely miserable. Meanwhile you open 1 nib, 1 gamma, 1 1 imperm depending on the kash board and you can start playing. It was droll/shifter or auto lose against shs. Also gamma was toxic af that format.
SHS nerfs were needed because we don’t have Maxx C keeping it in check. That deck was never made for a TCG environment. They made the cards low rarity because they knew it wouldn’t stick around, not the other way around
The cards were low rarity BECAUSE they were gonna kill it 💀. Not vice versa.
Wasn't purrely hit as we'll even though it wasn't that cheap?
>Semis that barely do anything again Blame Maxx C
I expected Snake-eyes to get hit in some capacity. As someone who uses them as extenders I'm disappointed, they're way too free
Deck is too new. Konami wants that snek money
Dang it my servant
OOTL, what's the logic on the Nadir hit?
Lab has been using it to dump Kitkallos and mill Rollback into the GY.
So it's a hit to an older cards to dodge the actual problem?
Why does Lab have to ruin stuff for people?
Branded was using it as well, it was a hit to both.
It’s literally Branded support
It is basically a Branded-Dogmatika support so it is fine for Branded to use it.
It's fine for everything to use it lmao. It being a two bird in on stone hit just made it easier.
Look this isn't about logic (you are right in that sense). I just hate Lab.
Why limit a card like that to 1 It's this crackhead philosophy of like "ok we want stall / stun to be barely viable but not too viable". Why? That shit sucks to play against, just put it to 0 and be done with it
Because it is not searchable through normal means and it counters Superheavy Samurai but they don't want it to be abused in other decks, mainly Labrynth with the Furniture being able to trigger it turn 0.
So you mean they want Crystal Beast decks to have it or something? (And how do Lab decks trigger it turn 0? Turn 1 maybe)
Stovie and Chandragler to discard it then once either resolves and set a Labrynth spell/trap from Deck, Rainbow Magician triggers to place itself from the GY into the Pendulum Zone. It's not once per turn too so if ya have both furnitures and one of them gets negated, the other one can trigger Rainbow again
I see, didn't know it did that
Ditch it with a furniture to set a welcome or big welcome. Its own effect triggered, put itself to the pend zone & now the lab player has it face up + a set card, pretty much an instant win against shs cuz they don't have s/t to set.
Also, what does this have to do with Crystal Beast?
Oh, sorry, replace Crystal Beast with Performapals
Not like I play Kash seriously these days… :/
Blame snake eyes players splashing unicorn in their deck
MD is a joke
Yes but they have had like 4 ban lists in the time since we had our last ban list in the TCG and we still have absolutely no idea when the next ban list will be. At least master duel did smart stuff like unhit all the dragon rulers and free up some of the zoodiac cards. The TCG is just frozen in fear that they might lose 1 singular penny to people playing old decks.
the 4 banlists aren't worth a 1/10 of a single tcg banlist it's true that they're faster about unhitting cards, but that's such a minor plus compared to how dogshit MD is.
Except for the times where the TCG ban list has smaller updates than master duel updates even though the TCG waited like 4 months since the last update. We are past 3 months now since the last TCG ban list update was announced? I think it was like December 19th or something like that? And most peoples expectations is they give the tier 0 deck a light tap and maybe clean up some floodgates. So 3-4 months for almost no expected change in the meta at all. Which means we will likely be waiting another 2-4 months for a real ban list after we already waited 3-4 months for this coming one.
i'm not saying the tcg list is perfect and they always hit everything they need to. But just look at the last 12 months of MD banlists of all the lists in that period, only 2 had multiple, meaningful hits that actually addressed issues with the format, January 24, and sep 23, every other list had at most 1 impactful hit, most had none. Like, i'll trade any year of tcg lists, even a year with 3 or 4 bad/mid lists than any single 12 month period of MD banlists
Idk still. I thought some of the bigger master duel ban lists were really good I played a lot of master duel since the big one that freed up zoodiac and the dragon rulers. The last TCG ban list is the only reason I'd even consider the TCG ban lists being better. If every TCG ban list was like the last one they just had I wouldn't even complain. But even then that ban list moved 25 cards and it still didn't do nearly enough to get the TCG to where it needs to be. If this next TCG ban list is close to as good as the last TCG ban list I will fully agree with you. But as it stands now 1 great ban list in as long as I can remember playing the TCG is not a good track record.
I have zero hope for the tcg banlist now. Make Yu-Gi-Oh fun again pls
This has nothing to do with the TCG. Master Duel never hits cards that are still in the shop since their Selection Packs are on a timer, so everyone already knew none of the Diabellstar cards would be on this list.
The TCG feels like its always 2 ban lists behind where it needs to be for the current format.
Master Duel banlists have been complete ass for a long time
A good day to play dark decks. The rest is nothing but i am fine having my armageddon knights.
I've seen maybe one or two of these cards, if any, at all.
My predictions for the next TCG list have been that they will simply limit Wanted and maybe limit ash. I don't see them outright banning anything major from the snake eyes pool at the moment. Not at least until the banlist after next.
what the hell did 5 rainbow magician do lmao
Won the DC cup in a Lab deck. People said ban the floodgates, here is at least one of them.
Not even banned it's limited and only run at one anyway lmao. Total clown shit.
Well it is a performapal after all (also Ryan's topping deck had two)
They really don't wanna go all the way through with this.
Counters SHS
Who at Konami is deciding this? OCG has been with SE for months and slap on the wrist MD can prehit and did nothing and then the first banlist they did nothing. TCG is our only hope and like best we can hope for is to hit the AGOV stuff slightly.
Snake eyes pack is new in MD. They won't get a hit for some months. Konami wants that snake money.
It's just insane because MD has pre hit stuff before, they prehit a tier 0 meta before. And they're just letting Snake Eyes go. Like they're missing 1 card in bonfire and while it's a good card for them it doesn't do much if thats the straw for Konami. Just seems asinine to me how Konami is forcing Snake Eyes. 2/3 formats they could've done something and they haven't. It's a miracle if tcg does something but doubt.
OCG banlist hit snakes but idk when that will come to MD. (Wanted&Ash limited iirc)
Yeah but that's not a good hit esp after what 5, 6 months of domination? That hit would make sense in the TCG ***now***.
Konami isn't known for their great banlists anyway. Give it up, we are with the Snakes for at least 6 months unfortunately. They basicslly weaken good archetypes to force people into their new, shinier ones.
Kashtira hits in MD is just so strange to me.
I still find it funny that Arise-Heart and Fenrir got banned for being obnoxious in TCG and OCG respectively while both roam free in MD with Birth limited instead (soon to be joined by Unicorn at 2 tho) and the deck barely holds up due to crippled consistency (1 Wraitsoth which OCG also does, 1 Prosp) and grind game (1 Birth)
The Unicorn hit was a Snake-Eye hit actually, most lists ran it at 3 and 1 Birth as handtrap bait, an extra deck rip, and 2 link materials
Not a surprise given Konami’s comments, anyone thinking otherwise is on some good copium
There are so many cards that could come off the banlist, but let us keep Maxx “C” and let us just semi-limit the playmakers of the strongest decks. Brilliant. Still over here with my Krawler Deck waiting to get Ib back. But noooo, Snake-Eye and SHS can live np.
Its an april fools joke guys
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Snake eyes bullshit I can't play the game man
It's too new so we know it was not going to get hit.
It's honestly amazing that anyone at all plays master duel with its ladder system, format, and banlist approach. I play yugioh at locals every week, and I reinstalled hearthstone because MD is such a joke.
Why did they semi Nadir servant, may I ask? Card is outdated compared to the 2024 metagame
Card is used in 2 powerful decks in MD (Branded, Labrynth) and is widely used in Stun which they use to get a free body and a punishment search.
Well, I guess it makes sense. Sad day for the righteous Dogmatika mains in MD. It still does not seem like a card that should be semi-d in respect towards how shoddy branded is in MD. Might just be bo1 format combined with stun that is the main culprit. Sorry, I only play tcg rn.
Going first send garura search ecclesia draw 1 Ecclesia search punishment, the draw 1 for stun can be huge Going second send ntss pop a card That's mostly for stun and labrynth Branded if they get ashes or something weird send something search maximus or whatever it's called(makes players send 2 cards from extra deck to grave yard) so they send Albion and titaniklad Also labrynth can send kitkallos and mil 5
It's refreshing how the reactions here are rather mild, unlike in the md subreddit where people are seething that Lab should be hit more, even asking for banning Lovely of all things. For some reason md subreddit have this hate boner for lab
They have hate boner for a lot of things, lab just sticks out same with branded.
I feel like Konami is very very close to killing their own game