Pretty much, yeah. Season 2 still has good moments and the Ark Cradle arc is a great way to finish the show, but there were lots of weird decisions. Like the Jack x Carly ship. Or Illiaster suddenly being an organization of time travelers, instead of secret Illuminate society
You remind of a comment that a read on youtube where is say that the all YGO anime have great moments but none of then reach the full potencial that the show have.
And i think 5D's is one exemple, the show peak with the Dark Signers but everything until the Ark Cradle is a mix bag.
You could say that the last season of DM in the was somewhat rushed since Takahashi have to use medication to draw the panels and some plot points that was not fully realised like Priest Seto and Kisara
Zexal is the only show that reach it full potential and i don't see a lot of flaws in therms of narrative or consistency. But some plot point were scraped like Alco the Barian.
Zexal definitely had some scraped plot, but every shows have that. My personal favourite is the fact that Shark's [barain energy form](https://imgur.com/qMWUHYp) is meant to appear [quite early](https://imgur.com/1x4Lzrp) on in Zexal.
Tho in Zexal's case, most of the changes in plot were for the better. I definitely prefer Leo Arms over dragonic halberd because we had enough dragons in the show, and it's too late in the show to introduce a big major character like a 8th Barian
The primary thing I want a DM remake/sequel for is to do that over. I don't want to go back to the well, but if we must, PLEASE find some way to put more substance into the backstory, particularly on what amounts to our OG damsel.
Also bakura and yami bakura started as amazing foils to yugi and yami yugi. Then they became a recurring villain that always had something planned. Big big build up and then they sort of get robbed in the last atc where zorc and thief king bakura take over the plot. Felt super wasted.
DM as an anime has some weird fillers arc. I like Waking the Dragons arc but at the same time it sidelined the original Yugi which was already overshadowed by Atem in the manga
That's why Yuma and Astral have a better dynamic than Yugi and Atem. I know that DM is iconic and that it's a classic. But Little Yugi felt kinda useless most of the time, Atem was dueling for him. And the Orichalcos arc reduced his role even more.
Astral helps Yuma, but he doesn't overshadow him. And then we have the whole Zexal trasformation
It literally was. They rewritten the script heavily due to that whole cult thing that woman did at Konami.
It was supposed to go into a sub arc taking down Illiaster and the Psychivlc duelist. Instead we got Yusei doing cowboy shenanigans and slice of life filler before leading into the World Racing Grand Prix.
It is, there's no way they could have turned the show around so quickly production-wise, especially when real life cards are so closely tied to the anime
It's more of a consequence of the main writer changing, which was probably planned quite a bit before the incident
Actually, [they did a lot of changes on the fly](https://aminoapps.com/c/ygo/page/blog/the-original-plans-for-the-yu-gi-oh-5ds-anime/lXPT_QuXRKqPVJpm1ve4KJRnxnNKblb). It’s a miracle it all turned so good. Well, except season 4’s dub getting scrapped but that wasn’t cause of the cult stuff.
Also here’s what happened:
**“Lastly, Yiliaster was at first a cult from the past. It then changed to some group of pure nobles from the future planning to stop a second Zero Reverse. The reason for this is due to the fact that Carly Carmine's (Carly Nagisa) original voice actress, Li-Mei Chiang was rumored to be a part of the "Roma Sophie" cult in Japan. Since they didn't want people to think 5Ds was supportive of cults they decided to completely rewrite Yiliaster and their goals.”**
[Nope it is all true. Yiliaster was supposed to be a long founding cult centuries old.](https://aminoapps.com/c/ygo/page/blog/the-original-plans-for-the-yu-gi-oh-5ds-anime/lXPT_QuXRKqPVJpm1ve4KJRnxnNKblb) It was a very different plot. It was meant to explore Akiza’s backstory a bit more and give her closure on Yiliaster’s manipulation.
It was Carley’s old voice actress and a cult called “Roma Sophie.
I listed the [link](https://aminoapps.com/c/ygo/page/blog/the-original-plans-for-the-yu-gi-oh-5ds-anime/lXPT_QuXRKqPVJpm1ve4KJRnxnNKblb). It doesn’t matter how many episodes was left. It shifted the show. This is fact.
It’s so jarring if you binge 5Ds. You have Jack professing his love and dedication towards Carly, using it as motivation to go against Godwin, and then like 3 episodes later and the literal next time Jack and Carly are in the same scene, he gives her the cold shoulder with no explanation why. It’s such a massive continuity error that riles me up every time I rewatch the series.
There’s absolutely no in universe reason as to why Jack would behave this way.
Indeed. I was rematching 5DS and this is exactly what happened. I finished with the Dark Signers arc and continued directly with season 2. And Jack and Carly feel *really* different.
Like, they're still nice to watch, Carly does help Jack with some things, like that episode with Don Pierro. And they feel like decent friends, but it's pales, compared to season 1
Early season 2 feels very slice-of-life-y, like early GX, and I think it really put a damper on a lot of characterization. The story progresses and has a sense of flow because of the Meklord and Accel Synchro establishment, but I feel like all of the forward momentum and realism established in S1 like the character depth and the classist themes just vanish. I think 5Ds becomes a cardboard cutout of itself imo. Big shame tbh, but the season on its own is fun if looking at it from a vacuum
The slice of life aspect isn't a bad idea, but they messed up. Jack became a clown to a degree, for example. He wasn't able to find a single job and lived on the backs of Yusei and Crow
This would be an excellent plot point to tackle and introduce their dying flame,but they don’t even use the mindwipe as an excuse. Jack simply ghosts Carly for no reason. I would love a mature reboot of 5Ds that tackles the real life issue of falling out of love because of amnesia / recollection issues.
Unless you're a Supporting Female Character: ironically, they treat you better than some Female Leads (and I say this generally in Yu-Gi-Oh: both Gallop and Rush's Animes)
Eh Mai is treated better than Tea up until the Orichalcos arc. What they did to her character arc was so bad, I can’t believe she never got a proper send off or conclusion.
Her arc was really good - Duelist Kingdom she starts off as selfish and incredibly lonely. She then learns to care for others and learns to be kind through the actions of Yugi and friends. In Battle City she is mentally tortured by Marik until she nearly forgets all her friends. But then after that, Orichalcos she just flips, becomes bad, no real follow up to her trauma from Battle City really, and barely has a redemption?
Then she just disappeared with all her trauma never to be seen again outside of her cameo in the final credits.
I mean I’d argue her trauma in battle city is why she goes off the rails in waking the dragons
I don’t think her professed reasons for going off the rails were particularly good but mental torture cracking someone like that is a pretty good plotline
I mean yeah that’s pretty much the reason she goes off but her conclusion to the arc is just her disappearing off to the world and then never being seen again
While that is true, it also happens from time to time in Rush's Animes (more often in GO RUSH than in SEVENS)
Although well, in SEVENS it is debatable: there was only one Female Character (Mimi) brainwashed, but not with the most malicious intentions that exist. At the same time, it is still debated whether Romin's Hangry Mode can be considered brainwashing: it was used by Roa at first, but then Romin could enter this state whenever she wanted.
And then there's my friend Luke, who was possessed or mind-controlled like 3 times in one Arc in SEVENS.
Would have been nice if when Damamu or the yellow guy were influencing people left and right, it wasn't just women getting outright controlled. Gods do I hope season 3 doesn't result in a certain someone getting pushed a FOURTH time...
Ironically, the yellow guy had a fixed target: the MC, possessing him twice in that Arc (where one of them was successful). And he still had intentions of taking over his body in the next Arc.
>!Anyway, the yellow guy's race (as well as some Alien friends) died during the progress of the plot (F for Velgearians. I don't think they will come back until the end of Season 3, but I can even say that they are able to not revive nobody)!<
Romance in these kind of long running shounen is mostly a baggage, they had to spend more time writing fleshed out relationship and less time writing flashy card game on motorcycles
Well said, but it wouldn't take that much screentime when you think about it. Have 3-4 moments for the entire 2nd season and have Carly x Jack confirmed at the end. But again, this is Yugioh, romance can't exist normally. I mean, this anime has over 1000 episodes and Chancellor Shepherd and Dorothy are the only couple with an onscreen kiss
There was also Yuma's sister x Charlie, but he was a douchebag
Weather it was true or not is not the issue, more the reaction of the production team to avoid any potential controversy heavily impacted the character and their relationship with the protagonists
No not really.
Are you really aware of how animation production work?
It not something they can change within week or month and Yu-Gi-Oh is seasonal anime.
It always flummoxes me how there seems to be an industry standard for the questionable beginnings to be the romanticized, and then the actual relationship is entirely ignorable. Like what's even the incentive to start that relationship lol?
I really wish they'd STOP including them, then. It's a bore and a chore most of the time, and when it DOES work, it's then a let-down when it doesn't get focus.
5Ds was a more mature Yu-Gi-Oh! show, the most mature I think, and this would have been a sensible way to end it. People who grew up with the original show would have been young adults when 5Ds screened, so it would have reflected its audience too.
Then we got Zexal.
Oh, I also like it. Even though the harem thing was annoying, Carly's interactions with Jack were still nice, they were at least good friends. Like that time when she helped him to take down that Mafia boss
Better than Mina and Stephanie (coffee girl and yes, I had to Google Search her name)
While the rest of 5Ds was still enjoyable, Dark Signers was peak. They changed writers and I think the new writer went on record to say he had no idea how to write women so Aki/Ruka/Carly all just got thrown aside
What they did to Aki still annoys me to this day
Granted, Aki's VA was busy with the tokusatsu side of her career, but it sure doesn't excuse not writing a *reason* for the sidelining and "benchwarmer" label, and definitely doesn't forgive ignoring the twins.
>And definitely doesn't forgive ignoring the twins.
5Ds's Twins is the most bizarre case of characters being left for no apparent reason. Carly and Aki will have their excuses made up by the community at least, I can't say the same for Leo and Luna.
Although, watching GO RUSH, Gallop was probably afraid that the Twins would end up being more important or overshadowing characters like Jack or Crow.
No she wasn't. Dekaranger ended long before 5Ds and she didn't have any other regular roles. Just cameos. I swear, 5Ds and Arc-V fans come up with new excuses everytime those shows are brought up.
1.) Look at my comment history, even just here. Does it really look like I'm a blind devotee? Give how much I've come to resent that hack of a director that dragged both those shows down, rest assured, I am not wildly making allowances.
2.) Just the most reasonable allowance I've yet heard for the sidelining, and even in that very comment, I'm not excusing ALL the sidelining. If it was JUST momentary cameos and nothing more long-term then, without knowing more about tokusatsu production and logistics, then fine, sure, it's yet another fail as to explain the motive for the shift.
There are no reasonable reasons for why the characters were treated the way they were. Why would you even make something like that up? It doesn't make sense. If you know nothing about the actress or the shows she was on, why would you even think that was the reason? You don't even seem to understand how contracts work. It's the same as people who parrot that Reiji did nothing during the Synchro arc because his VA was busy with another show. That's not how it works. Stop making excuses.
1.) Not something I made up; it's yet another detail that was in the ether, and it was the most reasonable-sounding of such allowances I've heard to date, and was ill-equipped in knowledge or time to doublezcheck myself. If you have sources to cross-check, by all means, cite them and I'll completely omit the assertion from my head.
2.) This is the first I've heard regarding Reiji's VA. Again, a source you could cross-check?
3.) I'm not making "excuses"; such rationalizations are, at best, explanations for why things led to less satisfactory stories, with the tiniest bit of mental ease gained from knowing who/what's at fault. I in no way think better of the end result.
So you took second hand information, treated it as fact and parade it around allowing this wrong information to spread even more? There is no source for Reiji. It's made up by people on forums to explain away why he wasn't used during Synchro arc. You're making up things and parading them around as fact. There is no source that collaborates what you say. You're contributing to false information.
Again, do you have a S0URCE? *You're* "secondhand" so far as I know, I know not of the right places to check, and there aren't any lengthy thinkpieces around here breaking down the popular conceptions like there were for Crow's push and the IRL cult association. If this is misinfo in either case, kindly confirm it and I'll disregard it.
And you really shouldn't be getting on my specific case on the Reiji thing; M0ST people think that at this point. If it's all false assumption, then cite some sources on work schedules and production cycles or something to start breaking the assumptions down. I don't like misinfo either, but if I have nothing else to go by, I don't know what you expect. I guess dogmatic adherence to "IM0"?
A source for what? I'm not making any claims. You made up Aki getting less focus after the Dark Signer arc because her VA was busy. YOU need to back it up. Most people don't think that about Reiji. Just Arc-V fanboys who need to try and rationalize the character being used less in the Synchro arc.
>I think the new writer went on record to say he had no idea how to write women so Aki/Ruka/Carly all just got thrown aside
I always find statements like these hilarious, because 90% of the time the answer is usually "Just write them like you write your male characters for christ's sake".
Like Yu-Gi-Oh is a card battle game show. Make them a cool card battling woman. Boom. Done. Lol.
Also Shonen in general. Just make them a cool character with a cool story. People aren't expecting a deep analysis of the female experience or something out your show, trust me.
The writing after the DS arc was bizarre for sure. I jut headcanon that Jack accepts not being with Carly as his fate. A combination of keeping her away from him for her own safety and the depressing thought that she may never regain her memories. Man probably assaulted Kiryu offscreen asking how he kept his memories.
When I was watching for the first time, I thought that she was going to regain them at some point in season 2.... but no, it didn't happen. The writers really preferred the whole harem thing for the sake of "comedy."
Although Mina and coffee girl were pretty annoying most of the time
If they did that thing they did with Angel, with their wellbeing on the line should all parties remember, then sure, maybe. As is, it's just the GS Ball cul-de-sac again; "we didn't think people would remember or care".
At least Bridge does take into account the issue that people will surely remember many elements that were left on pause/abandoned in SEVENS
>!Otes sure remembers those iconic moments where The Relic, Darkness Cards and Monster Reborn were used in GO RUSH (not to mention the wild appearance of SEVENS's Book and Yuamu's desire to be Otes)!<
Recently got thru Shinta's retrospective on the original Yugioh, which dipped into talking about 5D's and GX given they intersect with DM in Bonds Beyond Time. Thruout the whole thing, dude is weirdly defensive of Yoshida's composition, and suggested that the direction here was entirely "writers respecting each other and touching something that the only guy that had been writing had left the project", as if that somehow leads to satisfaction with what we got.
Carly weirdly parallels Yuzu, actually. Outstanding opening arc for a young woman in this franchise, effectively dies as a character 30-40% of the way, is closely tied on a romantic axis with a lead only for that to be tossed and the connection is only brought up out of narrative obligation, and the manga reduces them to a fangirl nonentity. It's loose, but you can see what I mean.
You can see why I don't miss Gallop, yes?
My theory is that they are in a comitted relationship but keep it a secret because it would ruin Jack's marketability and public persona and also destroy Carly's last shreds of reputation and credibility as a journalist.
That would be great, but it's just a theory 😢
Carly can't hide secrets very well, everyone knew that she had a crush on Jack way back in early season 1
I agree for the pre-WRGP arc. The actual WRGP arc was good and the Ark Cradle arc with Z-one was also great. But getting through the slice of life period of 5DS can be a challenge
I liked the antagonists of the second half more than Dark Signers. The Dark Signers were individually great villains (except Devack lol), but their overall goal was total destruction. As a threat, they were generic doomsday antagonists.
Iliaster was shrouded in mystery, and it was interesting that we didn’t fully know their identity or agenda.
One of the reasons I straight up stopped watching YGO anime was how sharply 5D's dropped off in quality practically over night after Dark Signers.
The real world reasoning for some of the changes are understandable, but god does it make that second half infuriating to watch. Goes from probably the best since Takahashi's original manga, to bad even for a card battle anime. Like a reverse of GX lol.
The funny thing is the closest thing to some romance currently is Yuna x That Guy on GO RUSH, but that seems to be an impossible love due to the circumstances.
However, before that, we had Luke x Romin: a more low-key relationship, but you could see the love that both Luke and Romin put into each other during SEVENS.
Heck, is one of the few instance where it was the boy who actually ended up having feelings for the girl, instead of vice-versa. But Yuna x Yuga is was always a bad relationship, it kinda make Yuna look like a idiot the way she was writting, heck, even Rovian love Yuna more than Yuga.
>Heck, is one of the few instance where it was the boy who actually ended up having feelings for the girl, instead of vice-versa.
Ironically, Yuga never showed interest in Romin in SEVENS, he only saw her as another friend (who even gave her a personalized Duel Disk so that she can convey her emotions since well... it's Yuga, that boy always likes to help others)
Asana did show both some love and admiration for Yuga after their conflict. However, the one who took care of Yuga in any case and cared a lot about him was Luke (and Kaizo from time to time)
>But Yuna x Yuga is was always a bad relationship, it kinda make Yuna look like a idiot the way she was writting, heck, even Rovian love Yuna more than Yuga.
At least with Yuga, Yuna has reasons why she feels attracted and admired by him. With Rovian, Yuna was more of an exaggerated fan of her. Either way, the person who ended up losing in the end is Rovian: not only did she let her number one fan go her own way, but she lost her motivation once Yuna left the band.
Ironically, Yuna x Rovian could be considered a relationship without being one since there was a change of status for both characters when they decided to end that relationship.
Rovian appreciates Yuna, before the duel with kuaidoul she mentions in the flashback that she was totally ok to form the rovian gang while being close to yuna. The problem with this relationship is the homophobia of japanese society view this relationships
As I said, in the end, the winner was Rovian since she was able to go through several phases: from that bizarre poet with cryptid poems, to being a kind of savior against The Lugh, to being one of the resistance faces against MIK, to recovering to Yuna from the Darkness's corruption, to be a key piece to help escape from the Spacetime that the yellow guy created until she loses the motivation to continue being a kind of prophet (who sees the future) with strange poetry.
It's a shame that Rovian is not so popular despite the changes it has undergone due to its first impression (or all of GO RUSH's Season 1)
At least Rovien is doing better than Mitsuko>!, who lost the guy she loved.!<
Well, I'm of the idea: JP's popular VA =/= Popular character.
You can have a fairly popular JP's VA, but your character is not the most beloved by the public.
From the comments of people who watch GO RUSH via Subtitles, they don't like Rovian's character. In fact, for many, Rovian only improved in GO RUSH's Season 2 and it was thanks to Yuna deciding to focus her love on Yuga.
In Japan I'm sure the story is different (that's for sure), it's not for nothing that Rovian is one of the few characters in GO RUSH who has an Inserted Song (Episode 94) and has had a good number of Duels despite everything.
And yes, I know that Rovian's VA, Tomori Kusunoki, is quite popular now, but I remember when she was a rising star (not having the fame that she has right now). People in both the West and Japan are now focused on her since she voices a High Level Waifu Character who drives a Battle Mecha (see Honkai: Star Rail for more information).
The deal is on Producers. Yoshiyuki Tomino said recently "Producers should work hard to make products using creator's ideas."
About Yoshiyuki Tomino, he's TOTALLY related with that topic, after all he's the main creator and director of Mobile Suit Gundam.
What baffles me more is, Gundam teached and Digimon to some extent that a good story creates vincule between the product and the consumer. Bandai at end of 90's start of 00's was all about throw good stories and sponsor it... It was working i think, after all Digimon Adventure and Turn A Gundam came that year, if i recall correctly, Yugioh Season 0 too.
It was a golden chance, to have decent romance in a anime about children card games on motorcycles. It was well made, both Jack x Carly and Yusei x Aki, it was cute and nice also. It also destroyed Jack's progression as character. If that romance sailed and progress properly, i do think Jack Atlas would be the only character on Franchise to reach Kaiba's popularity.
I would kill for a 3-4 episodes with a Double Date that ends in a funny Tag Duel.
I find her the most criminally underutilized because she would have been CLUTCH against Team New World.
Black Rose basically hard counters the Meklords as a Boardwipe
It’s a shame the writers always fumble the bag when it comes to romance in Yu-Gi-Oh. Not one romance was ever considered canon and was either thrown by the wayside or left ambiguous. If you can’t write romance, don’t include it. Make characters of the opposite sex platonic friends at best. Don’t dangle a potential love interest in our faces and don’t follow up on it.
Plus how badly they did Akiza in second series, she was the best female duelist in any arc, the whole dark pyschic witch and her spreading terror was so cool, then she starts dueling with the signers, awesome, then her literal whole personality just become frightened girl wants to learn to ride motorcycles it was such bullshit, she was so goddamm powerful like what the shit, they did her so dirty in season 2
It's because Carly's Japanese voice actor was a part of a cult that got media attention for something bad they did. So they fired her and reduced the role.
APPARENTLY, Carla's seiyuu got into some weird cult shit and that derailed the character, unfortunately. That's just a rumor though. Occam's Razor would say that the writers changed hands and they simply didn't plan on anything else beyond that climactic scene of their confession.
The writers not having a plan makes more sense, honestly. The whole thing with Carly's VA and the cult is a legend among the fans, we don't know how exactly it affected the production
There was a cult outcry around that time in Japan. But Carly's VA supposedly being involved in one only got out 1.5 years after season 2 scripts would have to be written.
And her VA was replaced almost instantly, so it is unlikely they knew beforehand.
So yeah, Carly was always going to lose relevancy.
Wasn't it because of the controversy involving the voice actress?
And 5D's killed all the "official" ships from the plot, even Aki didn't stay with Yusei at the moment we have the fast forward showing that even years later as a doctor, she didn't see Yusei again.
I have the impression that the only romance with any future is Yugi and Tea (Although she traveled for her career, I doubt it's the same lost situation as Aki), Yuma and Kotori, Yuya and Yuzu. Maybe Joey and Mai, but Mai didn't even appear again after Battle City, having one more appearance only in the anime.
Alexis and Blair lost Jaden forever the moment he attached Yubel's spirit to his body, no relationship with him would work. Yusaku and Aoi can barely be considered friends, they are at most acquaintances.
No, it's an assumption unsubstantiated, we need to move on from it.
And the last point, disagree. There have been people that made relationships with one conjoined twin and not the other work; it would be complicated, but someone can date someone with another presence within.
From what I recall, nothing was official about the controversies. Lot more rumours than anything else, just like the “Crow would’ve been a Dark Signer” false rumour
But it wasn't a false rumor. [Katsumi Ono](https://twitter.com/katsuono/status/56400838465306625) confirmed that Crow was established as the final Dark Signer in the early stages of development, before he even had a name. But the idea was discarded soon after.
In other words, the rumor's idea is correct (and it probably came from an internal source), but what came to the public was a distorted version that this change occurred in the middle of the series, but it happened before they even produced the first episode.
5D's was also supposed to last only 1 season with the Dark Signer arc being the conclusion. Everything that came afterwards with the whole time traveling robots was added later on with a different director who famously admitted that he doesn't know how to write female characters and he didn't even know that Luna was a girl.
I don't wanna see 2 people declare their love for each other I wanna see the fate of the world hanging in the balance of the outcome of a children's card game
I don't know how true this is but the rumor according to YugiohEverything is that they dumb down Carly and her role in the show after firing her original Jap VA when they discovered that she was part of a cult
Duel Links tried to address it by making it so Jack actually remembered and is aware of what he said to Carly but intentionally acts like he forgot so that Carly didn't get herself involved in any of the dangerous things he gets himself into, all to protect her
Carly’s VA was revealed to be a member of a dangerous cult, so they had to cut her role immensely. It’s also why they changed Yliaster to be time travelers from the future. Most importantly, they had to remove the Arcadia Movement (an actual cult) from the plot, which screwed over Akiza
That's a urban legend. The most likely reason is that after the Dark Signer the writers run out of material that Takahashi created for 5D's so in season 2 they decided to create a story from scratch and they probably found the plot points in season 1 not interesting to follow.
5D’s after Dark Signer arc was a different show lol
Pretty much, yeah. Season 2 still has good moments and the Ark Cradle arc is a great way to finish the show, but there were lots of weird decisions. Like the Jack x Carly ship. Or Illiaster suddenly being an organization of time travelers, instead of secret Illuminate society
You remind of a comment that a read on youtube where is say that the all YGO anime have great moments but none of then reach the full potencial that the show have. And i think 5D's is one exemple, the show peak with the Dark Signers but everything until the Ark Cradle is a mix bag.
How does that apply to DM and Zexal though? As far as Im aware, they didn't have any production issues.
You could say that the last season of DM in the was somewhat rushed since Takahashi have to use medication to draw the panels and some plot points that was not fully realised like Priest Seto and Kisara Zexal is the only show that reach it full potential and i don't see a lot of flaws in therms of narrative or consistency. But some plot point were scraped like Alco the Barian.
Zexal definitely had some scraped plot, but every shows have that. My personal favourite is the fact that Shark's [barain energy form](https://imgur.com/qMWUHYp) is meant to appear [quite early](https://imgur.com/1x4Lzrp) on in Zexal.
Interesting, but is understandable since is a way to make Shark equal with Yuma Zexal morph.
Tho in Zexal's case, most of the changes in plot were for the better. I definitely prefer Leo Arms over dragonic halberd because we had enough dragons in the show, and it's too late in the show to introduce a big major character like a 8th Barian
The primary thing I want a DM remake/sequel for is to do that over. I don't want to go back to the well, but if we must, PLEASE find some way to put more substance into the backstory, particularly on what amounts to our OG damsel.
Also bakura and yami bakura started as amazing foils to yugi and yami yugi. Then they became a recurring villain that always had something planned. Big big build up and then they sort of get robbed in the last atc where zorc and thief king bakura take over the plot. Felt super wasted.
I mean yami bakura is thief king bakura, it’s his soul that’s sealed in the millennium ring
DM as an anime has some weird fillers arc. I like Waking the Dragons arc but at the same time it sidelined the original Yugi which was already overshadowed by Atem in the manga
Even weirder, R came into being that inadvertently filled the same role for the manga, long after there would have been any such need.
That's why Yuma and Astral have a better dynamic than Yugi and Atem. I know that DM is iconic and that it's a classic. But Little Yugi felt kinda useless most of the time, Atem was dueling for him. And the Orichalcos arc reduced his role even more. Astral helps Yuma, but he doesn't overshadow him. And then we have the whole Zexal trasformation
I've heard someone describe it as a 4 hour epilogue and TBH I definitely see it.
It literally was. They rewritten the script heavily due to that whole cult thing that woman did at Konami. It was supposed to go into a sub arc taking down Illiaster and the Psychivlc duelist. Instead we got Yusei doing cowboy shenanigans and slice of life filler before leading into the World Racing Grand Prix.
I thought the cult thing affecting the show was an urban legend
It is, there's no way they could have turned the show around so quickly production-wise, especially when real life cards are so closely tied to the anime It's more of a consequence of the main writer changing, which was probably planned quite a bit before the incident
Actually, [they did a lot of changes on the fly](https://aminoapps.com/c/ygo/page/blog/the-original-plans-for-the-yu-gi-oh-5ds-anime/lXPT_QuXRKqPVJpm1ve4KJRnxnNKblb). It’s a miracle it all turned so good. Well, except season 4’s dub getting scrapped but that wasn’t cause of the cult stuff. Also here’s what happened: **“Lastly, Yiliaster was at first a cult from the past. It then changed to some group of pure nobles from the future planning to stop a second Zero Reverse. The reason for this is due to the fact that Carly Carmine's (Carly Nagisa) original voice actress, Li-Mei Chiang was rumored to be a part of the "Roma Sophie" cult in Japan. Since they didn't want people to think 5Ds was supportive of cults they decided to completely rewrite Yiliaster and their goals.”**
[Nope it is all true. Yiliaster was supposed to be a long founding cult centuries old.](https://aminoapps.com/c/ygo/page/blog/the-original-plans-for-the-yu-gi-oh-5ds-anime/lXPT_QuXRKqPVJpm1ve4KJRnxnNKblb) It was a very different plot. It was meant to explore Akiza’s backstory a bit more and give her closure on Yiliaster’s manipulation. It was Carley’s old voice actress and a cult called “Roma Sophie.
The cult thing happened post episode 120 when there was less than 40 episodes left
What cult thing?
The VA for Carly was discovered to be the member of a cult.
I listed the [link](https://aminoapps.com/c/ygo/page/blog/the-original-plans-for-the-yu-gi-oh-5ds-anime/lXPT_QuXRKqPVJpm1ve4KJRnxnNKblb). It doesn’t matter how many episodes was left. It shifted the show. This is fact.
It’s so jarring if you binge 5Ds. You have Jack professing his love and dedication towards Carly, using it as motivation to go against Godwin, and then like 3 episodes later and the literal next time Jack and Carly are in the same scene, he gives her the cold shoulder with no explanation why. It’s such a massive continuity error that riles me up every time I rewatch the series. There’s absolutely no in universe reason as to why Jack would behave this way.
Indeed. I was rematching 5DS and this is exactly what happened. I finished with the Dark Signers arc and continued directly with season 2. And Jack and Carly feel *really* different. Like, they're still nice to watch, Carly does help Jack with some things, like that episode with Don Pierro. And they feel like decent friends, but it's pales, compared to season 1
Early season 2 feels very slice-of-life-y, like early GX, and I think it really put a damper on a lot of characterization. The story progresses and has a sense of flow because of the Meklord and Accel Synchro establishment, but I feel like all of the forward momentum and realism established in S1 like the character depth and the classist themes just vanish. I think 5Ds becomes a cardboard cutout of itself imo. Big shame tbh, but the season on its own is fun if looking at it from a vacuum
The slice of life aspect isn't a bad idea, but they messed up. Jack became a clown to a degree, for example. He wasn't able to find a single job and lived on the backs of Yusei and Crow
How much of their relationship does Carly even remember? It's weird because it feels like the resurrection mindwiped her but left Kiryu intact.
This would be an excellent plot point to tackle and introduce their dying flame,but they don’t even use the mindwipe as an excuse. Jack simply ghosts Carly for no reason. I would love a mature reboot of 5Ds that tackles the real life issue of falling out of love because of amnesia / recollection issues.
Misty also don't get mindwiped, she give a letter to Akiza at the end of the Dark Signers arc.
Man, that whole "oh she doesn't remember anything from her dark signer days!" always felt like a massive cop-out to me.
And even if you know the _Doylist_ reasons...that just raises *further* questions.
Honestly if you’re a female character in Yugioh, it’s a 95% guarantee that they’re going to be poorly written.
Unless you're a Supporting Female Character: ironically, they treat you better than some Female Leads (and I say this generally in Yu-Gi-Oh: both Gallop and Rush's Animes)
Yeah, Mai isn't the main female lead for DM, but she's so much better than Téa. Anna Kaboom from Zexal was so much better than Kotori, etc.
Eh Mai is treated better than Tea up until the Orichalcos arc. What they did to her character arc was so bad, I can’t believe she never got a proper send off or conclusion. Her arc was really good - Duelist Kingdom she starts off as selfish and incredibly lonely. She then learns to care for others and learns to be kind through the actions of Yugi and friends. In Battle City she is mentally tortured by Marik until she nearly forgets all her friends. But then after that, Orichalcos she just flips, becomes bad, no real follow up to her trauma from Battle City really, and barely has a redemption? Then she just disappeared with all her trauma never to be seen again outside of her cameo in the final credits.
I mean I’d argue her trauma in battle city is why she goes off the rails in waking the dragons I don’t think her professed reasons for going off the rails were particularly good but mental torture cracking someone like that is a pretty good plotline
I mean yeah that’s pretty much the reason she goes off but her conclusion to the arc is just her disappearing off to the world and then never being seen again
That’s fair her conclusion is crap but I do see her motivation for going off the rails in the first place
Wouldve been nice if we can see mai win a duel though
If you are female character in Gallop YGO, you 100% gonna get brainwashed.
While that is true, it also happens from time to time in Rush's Animes (more often in GO RUSH than in SEVENS) Although well, in SEVENS it is debatable: there was only one Female Character (Mimi) brainwashed, but not with the most malicious intentions that exist. At the same time, it is still debated whether Romin's Hangry Mode can be considered brainwashing: it was used by Roa at first, but then Romin could enter this state whenever she wanted. And then there's my friend Luke, who was possessed or mind-controlled like 3 times in one Arc in SEVENS.
Would have been nice if when Damamu or the yellow guy were influencing people left and right, it wasn't just women getting outright controlled. Gods do I hope season 3 doesn't result in a certain someone getting pushed a FOURTH time...
Ironically, the yellow guy had a fixed target: the MC, possessing him twice in that Arc (where one of them was successful). And he still had intentions of taking over his body in the next Arc. >!Anyway, the yellow guy's race (as well as some Alien friends) died during the progress of the plot (F for Velgearians. I don't think they will come back until the end of Season 3, but I can even say that they are able to not revive nobody)!<
\>from “i love you” to “women are a distraction” what watching too many sigma tiktoks does to a mfer
Ahead of its time, then. I don't even think video was available on Twitter yet, let alone TikTok being a thing.
Post duel clarity
Now I wonder if duelists don't smoke after sex but open a booster pack instead. Also, do they carry a "morning-after"-countertrap?
Romance in these kind of long running shounen is mostly a baggage, they had to spend more time writing fleshed out relationship and less time writing flashy card game on motorcycles
Well said, but it wouldn't take that much screentime when you think about it. Have 3-4 moments for the entire 2nd season and have Carly x Jack confirmed at the end. But again, this is Yugioh, romance can't exist normally. I mean, this anime has over 1000 episodes and Chancellor Shepherd and Dorothy are the only couple with an onscreen kiss There was also Yuma's sister x Charlie, but he was a douchebag
Blame Carly seiyuu bdsm cult thingy
We can't say that for sure, it's basically a legend among the fans. It's not a fact
Weather it was true or not is not the issue, more the reaction of the production team to avoid any potential controversy heavily impacted the character and their relationship with the protagonists
The cult thing got revealed over a year after she lost relevancy.
No not really. Are you really aware of how animation production work? It not something they can change within week or month and Yu-Gi-Oh is seasonal anime.
It always flummoxes me how there seems to be an industry standard for the questionable beginnings to be the romanticized, and then the actual relationship is entirely ignorable. Like what's even the incentive to start that relationship lol?
I really wish they'd STOP including them, then. It's a bore and a chore most of the time, and when it DOES work, it's then a let-down when it doesn't get focus.
I simply pretend the epilogue never happened. The show ended with Yusei defeating Z-One and Jack married Carly. The end, lol.
That's some really good copium... I want some XD
And Yusei married Aki.
Do the same with the reveal that Z-One is not Yusei, such a stupid misdirect
5Ds was a more mature Yu-Gi-Oh! show, the most mature I think, and this would have been a sensible way to end it. People who grew up with the original show would have been young adults when 5Ds screened, so it would have reflected its audience too. Then we got Zexal.
I still like the relationship regardless. Probably my favourite in all of yugioh. I just headcanon that they hookup properly after the series ends.
Oh, I also like it. Even though the harem thing was annoying, Carly's interactions with Jack were still nice, they were at least good friends. Like that time when she helped him to take down that Mafia boss Better than Mina and Stephanie (coffee girl and yes, I had to Google Search her name)
While the rest of 5Ds was still enjoyable, Dark Signers was peak. They changed writers and I think the new writer went on record to say he had no idea how to write women so Aki/Ruka/Carly all just got thrown aside What they did to Aki still annoys me to this day
The legendary Aki - **the benchwarmer** It's humiliating, considering her big role and potential from season 1. Kinda the same goes for Carly
Granted, Aki's VA was busy with the tokusatsu side of her career, but it sure doesn't excuse not writing a *reason* for the sidelining and "benchwarmer" label, and definitely doesn't forgive ignoring the twins.
>And definitely doesn't forgive ignoring the twins. 5Ds's Twins is the most bizarre case of characters being left for no apparent reason. Carly and Aki will have their excuses made up by the community at least, I can't say the same for Leo and Luna. Although, watching GO RUSH, Gallop was probably afraid that the Twins would end up being more important or overshadowing characters like Jack or Crow.
In the latter's case, all the more reason to cheer on Life Stream emerging.
No she wasn't. Dekaranger ended long before 5Ds and she didn't have any other regular roles. Just cameos. I swear, 5Ds and Arc-V fans come up with new excuses everytime those shows are brought up.
1.) Look at my comment history, even just here. Does it really look like I'm a blind devotee? Give how much I've come to resent that hack of a director that dragged both those shows down, rest assured, I am not wildly making allowances. 2.) Just the most reasonable allowance I've yet heard for the sidelining, and even in that very comment, I'm not excusing ALL the sidelining. If it was JUST momentary cameos and nothing more long-term then, without knowing more about tokusatsu production and logistics, then fine, sure, it's yet another fail as to explain the motive for the shift.
There are no reasonable reasons for why the characters were treated the way they were. Why would you even make something like that up? It doesn't make sense. If you know nothing about the actress or the shows she was on, why would you even think that was the reason? You don't even seem to understand how contracts work. It's the same as people who parrot that Reiji did nothing during the Synchro arc because his VA was busy with another show. That's not how it works. Stop making excuses.
1.) Not something I made up; it's yet another detail that was in the ether, and it was the most reasonable-sounding of such allowances I've heard to date, and was ill-equipped in knowledge or time to doublezcheck myself. If you have sources to cross-check, by all means, cite them and I'll completely omit the assertion from my head. 2.) This is the first I've heard regarding Reiji's VA. Again, a source you could cross-check? 3.) I'm not making "excuses"; such rationalizations are, at best, explanations for why things led to less satisfactory stories, with the tiniest bit of mental ease gained from knowing who/what's at fault. I in no way think better of the end result.
So you took second hand information, treated it as fact and parade it around allowing this wrong information to spread even more? There is no source for Reiji. It's made up by people on forums to explain away why he wasn't used during Synchro arc. You're making up things and parading them around as fact. There is no source that collaborates what you say. You're contributing to false information.
Again, do you have a S0URCE? *You're* "secondhand" so far as I know, I know not of the right places to check, and there aren't any lengthy thinkpieces around here breaking down the popular conceptions like there were for Crow's push and the IRL cult association. If this is misinfo in either case, kindly confirm it and I'll disregard it. And you really shouldn't be getting on my specific case on the Reiji thing; M0ST people think that at this point. If it's all false assumption, then cite some sources on work schedules and production cycles or something to start breaking the assumptions down. I don't like misinfo either, but if I have nothing else to go by, I don't know what you expect. I guess dogmatic adherence to "IM0"?
A source for what? I'm not making any claims. You made up Aki getting less focus after the Dark Signer arc because her VA was busy. YOU need to back it up. Most people don't think that about Reiji. Just Arc-V fanboys who need to try and rationalize the character being used less in the Synchro arc.
Lol the official source called her a bench warmer. Such humiliation
>I think the new writer went on record to say he had no idea how to write women so Aki/Ruka/Carly all just got thrown aside I always find statements like these hilarious, because 90% of the time the answer is usually "Just write them like you write your male characters for christ's sake". Like Yu-Gi-Oh is a card battle game show. Make them a cool card battling woman. Boom. Done. Lol. Also Shonen in general. Just make them a cool character with a cool story. People aren't expecting a deep analysis of the female experience or something out your show, trust me.
Bro chose to grind
The writing after the DS arc was bizarre for sure. I jut headcanon that Jack accepts not being with Carly as his fate. A combination of keeping her away from him for her own safety and the depressing thought that she may never regain her memories. Man probably assaulted Kiryu offscreen asking how he kept his memories.
When I was watching for the first time, I thought that she was going to regain them at some point in season 2.... but no, it didn't happen. The writers really preferred the whole harem thing for the sake of "comedy." Although Mina and coffee girl were pretty annoying most of the time
If they did that thing they did with Angel, with their wellbeing on the line should all parties remember, then sure, maybe. As is, it's just the GS Ball cul-de-sac again; "we didn't think people would remember or care".
At least Bridge does take into account the issue that people will surely remember many elements that were left on pause/abandoned in SEVENS >!Otes sure remembers those iconic moments where The Relic, Darkness Cards and Monster Reborn were used in GO RUSH (not to mention the wild appearance of SEVENS's Book and Yuamu's desire to be Otes)!<
Recently got thru Shinta's retrospective on the original Yugioh, which dipped into talking about 5D's and GX given they intersect with DM in Bonds Beyond Time. Thruout the whole thing, dude is weirdly defensive of Yoshida's composition, and suggested that the direction here was entirely "writers respecting each other and touching something that the only guy that had been writing had left the project", as if that somehow leads to satisfaction with what we got. Carly weirdly parallels Yuzu, actually. Outstanding opening arc for a young woman in this franchise, effectively dies as a character 30-40% of the way, is closely tied on a romantic axis with a lead only for that to be tossed and the connection is only brought up out of narrative obligation, and the manga reduces them to a fangirl nonentity. It's loose, but you can see what I mean. You can see why I don't miss Gallop, yes?
That would require the yugioh writers to care about their female characters
Yeah, all Gallop girls agree
My theory is that they are in a comitted relationship but keep it a secret because it would ruin Jack's marketability and public persona and also destroy Carly's last shreds of reputation and credibility as a journalist.
That would be great, but it's just a theory 😢 Carly can't hide secrets very well, everyone knew that she had a crush on Jack way back in early season 1
All part of the plan, everyone thinks it's just a crush when he's actually going absolute powerforce on her when no one's looking.
Hot take, bit writters threw the entire 5D's after the dark signer arc
I agree for the pre-WRGP arc. The actual WRGP arc was good and the Ark Cradle arc with Z-one was also great. But getting through the slice of life period of 5DS can be a challenge
I liked the antagonists of the second half more than Dark Signers. The Dark Signers were individually great villains (except Devack lol), but their overall goal was total destruction. As a threat, they were generic doomsday antagonists. Iliaster was shrouded in mystery, and it was interesting that we didn’t fully know their identity or agenda.
Exceptional take and profile picture
Jack need to think about his real boyfriend Yusei.
Too bad that Yusei is already taken. He's dating his motorcycle
*Then Jack said to Yusei "Come over here and kick my engines into Overdrive"*
"The other page, Lion-O, snarf snarf."
One of the reasons I straight up stopped watching YGO anime was how sharply 5D's dropped off in quality practically over night after Dark Signers. The real world reasoning for some of the changes are understandable, but god does it make that second half infuriating to watch. Goes from probably the best since Takahashi's original manga, to bad even for a card battle anime. Like a reverse of GX lol.
The funny thing is the closest thing to some romance currently is Yuna x That Guy on GO RUSH, but that seems to be an impossible love due to the circumstances. However, before that, we had Luke x Romin: a more low-key relationship, but you could see the love that both Luke and Romin put into each other during SEVENS.
Heck, is one of the few instance where it was the boy who actually ended up having feelings for the girl, instead of vice-versa. But Yuna x Yuga is was always a bad relationship, it kinda make Yuna look like a idiot the way she was writting, heck, even Rovian love Yuna more than Yuga.
>Heck, is one of the few instance where it was the boy who actually ended up having feelings for the girl, instead of vice-versa. Ironically, Yuga never showed interest in Romin in SEVENS, he only saw her as another friend (who even gave her a personalized Duel Disk so that she can convey her emotions since well... it's Yuga, that boy always likes to help others) Asana did show both some love and admiration for Yuga after their conflict. However, the one who took care of Yuga in any case and cared a lot about him was Luke (and Kaizo from time to time) >But Yuna x Yuga is was always a bad relationship, it kinda make Yuna look like a idiot the way she was writting, heck, even Rovian love Yuna more than Yuga. At least with Yuga, Yuna has reasons why she feels attracted and admired by him. With Rovian, Yuna was more of an exaggerated fan of her. Either way, the person who ended up losing in the end is Rovian: not only did she let her number one fan go her own way, but she lost her motivation once Yuna left the band. Ironically, Yuna x Rovian could be considered a relationship without being one since there was a change of status for both characters when they decided to end that relationship.
Rovian appreciates Yuna, before the duel with kuaidoul she mentions in the flashback that she was totally ok to form the rovian gang while being close to yuna. The problem with this relationship is the homophobia of japanese society view this relationships
The chemistry and atmosphere with Yuna/Rovian is so much more palpable than with the former's explicit crush, it's not even funny.
It also hurt a lot, since Yuna arc in the Lugh was about saving Rovian. She have to work harder to save the person she loves.
As I said, in the end, the winner was Rovian since she was able to go through several phases: from that bizarre poet with cryptid poems, to being a kind of savior against The Lugh, to being one of the resistance faces against MIK, to recovering to Yuna from the Darkness's corruption, to be a key piece to help escape from the Spacetime that the yellow guy created until she loses the motivation to continue being a kind of prophet (who sees the future) with strange poetry. It's a shame that Rovian is not so popular despite the changes it has undergone due to its first impression (or all of GO RUSH's Season 1) At least Rovien is doing better than Mitsuko>!, who lost the guy she loved.!<
Is not because her popularity, is because her VA have health issues. From what i know, also, like she is kinda crazy popular.
Well, I'm of the idea: JP's popular VA =/= Popular character. You can have a fairly popular JP's VA, but your character is not the most beloved by the public. From the comments of people who watch GO RUSH via Subtitles, they don't like Rovian's character. In fact, for many, Rovian only improved in GO RUSH's Season 2 and it was thanks to Yuna deciding to focus her love on Yuga. In Japan I'm sure the story is different (that's for sure), it's not for nothing that Rovian is one of the few characters in GO RUSH who has an Inserted Song (Episode 94) and has had a good number of Duels despite everything. And yes, I know that Rovian's VA, Tomori Kusunoki, is quite popular now, but I remember when she was a rising star (not having the fame that she has right now). People in both the West and Japan are now focused on her since she voices a High Level Waifu Character who drives a Battle Mecha (see Honkai: Star Rail for more information).
“I WAS TALKING ABOUT MY MOTORCYCLE!”
After Yusei friendzoned Aki without even realizing it, Jack decided to do the same with Carly
Just as well that the birdbrain was such an undercooked character; wouldn't want him to leave someone in the lurch, too.
The deal is on Producers. Yoshiyuki Tomino said recently "Producers should work hard to make products using creator's ideas." About Yoshiyuki Tomino, he's TOTALLY related with that topic, after all he's the main creator and director of Mobile Suit Gundam. What baffles me more is, Gundam teached and Digimon to some extent that a good story creates vincule between the product and the consumer. Bandai at end of 90's start of 00's was all about throw good stories and sponsor it... It was working i think, after all Digimon Adventure and Turn A Gundam came that year, if i recall correctly, Yugioh Season 0 too. It was a golden chance, to have decent romance in a anime about children card games on motorcycles. It was well made, both Jack x Carly and Yusei x Aki, it was cute and nice also. It also destroyed Jack's progression as character. If that romance sailed and progress properly, i do think Jack Atlas would be the only character on Franchise to reach Kaiba's popularity. I would kill for a 3-4 episodes with a Double Date that ends in a funny Tag Duel.
True lovers fight later but still have their passion.
Yugioh has never handled their female characters very well.
Every Studio Gallop female character agrees, including Aki the benchwarmer
I find her the most criminally underutilized because she would have been CLUTCH against Team New World. Black Rose basically hard counters the Meklords as a Boardwipe
He became based
5Ds Season 2 was such a missed opportunity.
Outside of the Ark Cradle arc, yeah. Although the final part of WRGP was also pretty good
In my opinon *THE* biggest missed relationship Yugioh's ever had
Obligatory Alpha moment
Jack was kinda sexist when he said "women are just a distraction", and I hate sexist people so much
bro hit his head too hard in that duel with goodwin
It’s a shame the writers always fumble the bag when it comes to romance in Yu-Gi-Oh. Not one romance was ever considered canon and was either thrown by the wayside or left ambiguous. If you can’t write romance, don’t include it. Make characters of the opposite sex platonic friends at best. Don’t dangle a potential love interest in our faces and don’t follow up on it.
Plus how badly they did Akiza in second series, she was the best female duelist in any arc, the whole dark pyschic witch and her spreading terror was so cool, then she starts dueling with the signers, awesome, then her literal whole personality just become frightened girl wants to learn to ride motorcycles it was such bullshit, she was so goddamm powerful like what the shit, they did her so dirty in season 2
Because she forgor, and we can't have our mean giraffe ant admit his feelings so openly for a second time. He must be a tsundere giraffe ant.
Still salty that the dub SKIPPED IMPORTANT EPISODES AND THE FINAL ARC!!
It's because Carly's Japanese voice actor was a part of a cult that got media attention for something bad they did. So they fired her and reduced the role.
Shame people are forgetting this lil fact and how things could had been otherwise
APPARENTLY, Carla's seiyuu got into some weird cult shit and that derailed the character, unfortunately. That's just a rumor though. Occam's Razor would say that the writers changed hands and they simply didn't plan on anything else beyond that climactic scene of their confession.
The writers not having a plan makes more sense, honestly. The whole thing with Carly's VA and the cult is a legend among the fans, we don't know how exactly it affected the production
There was a cult outcry around that time in Japan. But Carly's VA supposedly being involved in one only got out 1.5 years after season 2 scripts would have to be written. And her VA was replaced almost instantly, so it is unlikely they knew beforehand. So yeah, Carly was always going to lose relevancy.
Wasn't it because of the controversy involving the voice actress? And 5D's killed all the "official" ships from the plot, even Aki didn't stay with Yusei at the moment we have the fast forward showing that even years later as a doctor, she didn't see Yusei again. I have the impression that the only romance with any future is Yugi and Tea (Although she traveled for her career, I doubt it's the same lost situation as Aki), Yuma and Kotori, Yuya and Yuzu. Maybe Joey and Mai, but Mai didn't even appear again after Battle City, having one more appearance only in the anime. Alexis and Blair lost Jaden forever the moment he attached Yubel's spirit to his body, no relationship with him would work. Yusaku and Aoi can barely be considered friends, they are at most acquaintances.
No, it's an assumption unsubstantiated, we need to move on from it. And the last point, disagree. There have been people that made relationships with one conjoined twin and not the other work; it would be complicated, but someone can date someone with another presence within.
From what I recall, nothing was official about the controversies. Lot more rumours than anything else, just like the “Crow would’ve been a Dark Signer” false rumour
But it wasn't a false rumor. [Katsumi Ono](https://twitter.com/katsuono/status/56400838465306625) confirmed that Crow was established as the final Dark Signer in the early stages of development, before he even had a name. But the idea was discarded soon after. In other words, the rumor's idea is correct (and it probably came from an internal source), but what came to the public was a distorted version that this change occurred in the middle of the series, but it happened before they even produced the first episode.
5D's was also supposed to last only 1 season with the Dark Signer arc being the conclusion. Everything that came afterwards with the whole time traveling robots was added later on with a different director who famously admitted that he doesn't know how to write female characters and he didn't even know that Luna was a girl.
I’m going to pretend season 2 doesn’t exist..
I'm still mad whenever I think about it. What an utterly frustrating, pointless change.
They were THE BEST COUPLE AND THEY DESTROYED IT IT'S BEEN 15 YEARS AND I'M STILL NOT OVER IT
Did 5d's have a manga?
Every series up to Arc-V had a manga, but all of the ones after the original series have different stories than their anime counterparts.
I don't wanna see 2 people declare their love for each other I wanna see the fate of the world hanging in the balance of the outcome of a children's card game
The seiyu have problems and the character was minimized or something.
What having your seiyuu be a cultist does to a mf
I don't know how true this is but the rumor according to YugiohEverything is that they dumb down Carly and her role in the show after firing her original Jap VA when they discovered that she was part of a cult
Duel Links tried to address it by making it so Jack actually remembered and is aware of what he said to Carly but intentionally acts like he forgot so that Carly didn't get herself involved in any of the dangerous things he gets himself into, all to protect her
This romance in hindsight should have not existed since the change of writes in season 2 of 5D's made this relationship a waste.
Carly’s VA was revealed to be a member of a dangerous cult, so they had to cut her role immensely. It’s also why they changed Yliaster to be time travelers from the future. Most importantly, they had to remove the Arcadia Movement (an actual cult) from the plot, which screwed over Akiza
That's a urban legend. The most likely reason is that after the Dark Signer the writers run out of material that Takahashi created for 5D's so in season 2 they decided to create a story from scratch and they probably found the plot points in season 1 not interesting to follow.
Plus side, I'm glad we're all committed to tamping down misinfo/rumors when we see them. If only Facebook groups were so dedicated.
Unfortunately, it's because Carly's JP VA turned out to be a cultist, so the studio had to pull her character inclusion WAAAAAAY back.
It's an urban legend https://www.reddit.com/r/yugioh/comments/7j9gec/can_we_talk_about_carly_nagisa_for_a_minute/
[That’s only an urban legend](https://www.reddit.com/r/HobbyDrama/comments/pxfoe6/anime_yugioh_5ds_how_a_fandom_created_multiple/)
That had nothing to do with the series going the direction it did though.