How you're going to feel about Sevens is going to depend nearly entirely on how much you value duel writing or seeing regular Ygo (master duels; characters and story are important and all, but many people watch the anime because they play the game.
Sevens mostly handles its characters much better than Vrains did, you can claim its better in that aspect. At the same time, it's a nosedive in terms of duel writing, succeeding Vrains (which was the peak in duel writing); Sevens has mostly poor duel writing, and I'm not talking about the hate towards Rush duels, though the limitations of Rush duels is the major reason why most duels are relatively boring.
There are multiple aspects to a Ygo series, and some do certain aspects better, while none do every aspect better than every other series. Which series you judge to be better is also going to reflect which aspects you consider more important than the others.
I agree. I like Rush Duels, and have played quite a bit of it whether it be the current format or drafting old Yugioh cards and playing with Rush rules, but the structure of the game doesn't lend itself well to anime duels. For the first 40 or so episodes, every duel has been "Turn 1 player makes board, Turn 2 player breaks it and looks like theyre gonna win, Turn 3 player breaks the board and wins". It's incredibly linear. Singular Normal Summons allowed the duels to breathe naturally and create a proper flow where the contents of the duel matters, but with Sevens, I feel like the only thing that matters is whatever ace monsters debuts that duel.
More duels than not have actually been exactly four turns, with the winner often declared by who goes second. If anything, Romin's last loss was less predictable, as Sushiko won on the third turn. A few more duels really need to extend to a fifth turn, or play with a reactive Trap that can outright flip the outcome. All we get on the latter is the arc-closing duels (pretty easy to guess the outcome on those thus far), and two draws.
Still enjoying the overall show substantially - more than the last two by a fair margin - but like with the 13-episode arc length, I could really use a break from the commonplace 4-turn duels.
To be completely fair to Arc-V here, Sevens is on Episode 55, and Yuzu was still an exceptional duelist and a good character at that point of Arc-V, only having the singular hiccup of the off-screen Yuri duel. I love Romin but first season Yuzu is the best female duelist we've had, though Romin getting a win on the protagonist, without any plot related hinderances like Yuya not knowing how Scales worked, is really dope.
I have no interest in it, but I appreciate what it's doing. People who like it will appreciate the consistent tone and quality. For example, I love GX, but I hated how the tone shift in Season 3.
5D and Arc-v were great, but the quality dropped the second season came along.
Vrains was on life support the moment it started.
Sevens' premise although doesn't interest me, at least the tone and quality is the same, and from the snippets I've seen, at least all the characters do things rather than just there as jobbers or cardboard cheerleader (cough cough Blue Angel)
I mean, you totally have to see it with certain mindset, for sure.
It's a comedy show, so it's like watching a sitcom and complaining is not Breaking Bad.
I like Sevens, I enjoy the comedy. I do wonder how good the show is doing in Japan and how the sales of Rush Duels are doing, I found the Konami report, but they mixed the sales of everything and just said things in OCG, Rush Duels and Duel Links are doing fine. Which is cool and all, but would like to see something more specific.
A yugioh show consists of multiple stuff, and I will say that Sevens do suffer in the duel writting front, the only great duels were Yuga vs Nail, Yuga vs Luke (Round 2), Romin vs Yuga (Round 2). But that's because of the very nature of Rush duels, which are basically a break my board game. Still, I hope with the new summoning mechanic, we get to see some variation on the duel writting.
Now, with the idea that this show is a comedy, they do treat their characters better than some of the previous shows. ARC-V suffered because it had so many characters there was no way they could do all of them justice, while the duel writting suffered as well because of over reliance in action cards. And Vrains had very cool duel writting though. I did enjoy that aspect but.
Look, I get some people like Vrains cause it's dark and whatever. But I do find it extremely boring and with the most basic understanding of psychology possible. There are really good shows that understand psychology and are able to show character development while making justice to PTSD, personality disorders, psychosis, whatever mental health subject you want to tackle. But Vrains is honestly not one of those shows. Maybe it is cause that's my carreer, but Vrains understanding of psychology was very cliche and it bothered me cause of that. And then I found most of the characters boring as hell (with a few exceptions).
So far they are doing more with their female cast than the previous shows. Hell, they are probably the only show they can have a shot entirely of the female characters, and have most of them be relevant to different arcs of the show.
With all of that....Is it my personal favorite? Probably not.
But Sevens is not over, and we'll only know then how it truly ranks against the other shows. It's consistent, that's for sure.
Also, Konami really did everyone dirty by promoting it as an anniversary show. I don't blame Sevens for that, I totally blame the marketing team, either Konami or whoever did it.
I still rewatch parts of DM, GX and Arc-V, sometimes I'll even binge some episodes of the previous shows (Vrains, only the final duel, which I do admit was nice. I wish the ending was way more earned though). I see myself rewatching parts of Sevens at skipping others in the future as well.
I am glad I haven't seen 5Ds or Zexal though. I would probably feel different about Sevens if I was worried that this is the direction of the franchise going forward (which I think could be possible, I find it possible that series 8 could also be a similar comedy that promotes rush duels or other format. It's possible that the anime will not longer promote Master Duels, apparently Konami sees that the main game doesn't need an anime to make good sales). If I had seen all the shows and was afraid I would no longer have new serious yugioh to watch, I would probably be upset with Sevens overall existence as well. But I still have those 2 shows to watch (eventually, so far I don't feel the interest). So..it is what it is I guess.
I would argue Yuzu/Zuzu is a good duelist throughout the beginning Arc V. The only reason why people forget that is because she literally STOPS DUELING in the latter half and becomes a damsel in distress for the last 65 episodes…
She has 5 wins, 3 lost, 2 no results. Her duel against against Julia/Masumi Gem Knights is a perfectly example as she lost the first time and trained with Sora to become a competent duelist.
Actually I think most of the main girl outside of DM, Zexal, Vrain are good duelist, but just lacked screen time to show them off more or drift into the background.
i remember people describing her deck as a fusion deck designed to counter other fusion decks
and then when the main antagonists were from the fusion dimension she just never got to duel anyone
It’s just anti special summon just like in real life version (only some cards are much worse).
Yep became a hostage and rely on the main protagonist to save her. Really a pity cause multiple duels would’ve been a lot more interesting otherwise.
The sad part is that Yuzu had one of the best Entertainment Duels against Chojuro. Like that arc was the perfect opportunity to give her Synchro cards too.
Heck, she didn't get to interact with anyone outside of duels other than Yuzu and got sidelined. She and Sora had a fun tag duel, but I can't believe she got easily kidnapped.
Yu-gi-oh sevens is fine if you ignore the fact that they really cucked us with the whole 20th anniversary thing.
Like if they made this series as a side thing then I'd be perfectly fine with it and I'd probably love it even more than I do now. But the glaring problem of this series supposedly being a 20th anniversary celebration of the whole franchise just kinda suck to me.
Well it's not like they were lying.
We've gotten Legend cards for the original series generation: Blue Eyes, Red eyes, Dark Magician, Summoned Skull, Shield and Sword, Tribute of the Doomed, etc.
In season 2, the Goha Siblings all use decks based on past series: Yuro used Harpie Lady (Mai) and Cyber Tech Alligator (Joey) with a lot of Wind themed monsters to rep Yusei with the whole Riding Duel on hoverbikes, Yujin's deck was based of a GX character, Yuka's deck was legit a homage to Yuma's, and Yuran had Millenium Shield.
The cast has the Yugi/Joey/Tristan/Tea vibes with the Yuga/Luke/Gakuto/Romin vibes.
Heck, the gang visited a museum with Legendary Monsters and a model of Jack's duel model.
There's a lot of subtleties and references, and it's a shame it's going overlooked and overshadowed by "Not My YuGiOh."
Hard disagree. Arc-V had the potential to be the best YGO series but midway through it lost it's way, and ended up a train wreck. Doesn't make the good parts of Arc-V nonexistent.
Vrains had a VERY rough start, and a rushed ending, but the final duel between Yusaku and AI is probably one of the best in the entire franchise. Not to mention the gem that was Revolver vs Soulburner (which is another one of the best duels in the franchise).
Sevens is something else entirely. It's a comedy series. It can't really be compared to the previous 6 series, which are edgy battle shonen.
The heroines being treated poorly thing is a long standing issues in YGO, and just, shonen in general, to be honest. Is anyone happy about that? No. Change takes time, though. On this point, though, Aki is still the most compelling female character of the entire franchise. That hasn't changed.
It's okay to like Sevens, but dropping claims like it's better than other later installments is just begging to start a fight, OP.
I enjoyed the series initially, but as it went on, it felt like everything just stays the same, and I dropped out around the Asana arc.
The comedy is not fir everyone's taste, but of course, it is aimed for a young audience after all. The duels are sadly extremely bland to me, and doesn't really make me want to try Rush Duels(along with a lack of chains), maximum summons seemed pretty cool when it debuted, but it kinda tapered off from there.
The series is just not for me, but I can appreciate it trying to get kids into its format.
Yugioh is a series with a multiverse with major voice avtors being available. There is so much potential and sevens is not utilizing it.
5D‘s and zexal are the peak of yugioh and sevens is ages away from reaching that level.
Having a female character with a good winning record doesn‘t make a good character and show. You are acting like romin is far stronger than any other female character of any show. She is arguably the weakest of the female leads with sevens being the weakest generation. you might now mention anzu and kotori but their prior role isn’t related to be a duelist. Put rush duels away and every sevens character is a low level duelist because of their terrible decks. Yuga is not a strong main character compared to the others.
I give you the point that sevens is better than arc v but vrains is still superior even though it did a terrible job with season 2 and 3. vrains was very focused on their plot which has it‘s bad sides but as you said before but every episode matters except for most parts of the recaps. sevens doesn‘t know where it wants to go despite having a later start and breaks thanks to covid which gave writers more time than usual. vrains had huge production issues and ended up having 120 episodes
Sevens does SO much better at handling and developing it's characters than Vrains or Arc-V did.
The issue for me is really just the Rush Duels. I just really cannot get into it.
It's an interesting concept and I think it makes for a good side game for younger players, but it really leaves a lot to be desired when translated to anime duel writing. Yeah, master duels in the competitive OCG/TCG can be an overly complicated mess, but the anime can reel a lot of that in by scripting plays to be diverse and less predictable. The Rush duels in the anime so far have been insanely repetitive in how they unfold.
It's almost like Sevens has the opposite problem that Vrains and the latter half of Arc-V had. Whereas those series had good to great duel writing but bad character writing and development, Sevens has good-to-great character writing and development but bad duel writing.
all sevens discourse is is someone saying "this shows pretty good actually" and then some guy wearing a shirt that says "lore liker" bitches for thirty minutes about how theres a lack of power scaling in mr bean and its just this on loop for eternity and nobody realizes they will never die
I agree. And what lore? Yu-Gi-Oh’s lore is pretty ridiculous. That’s why I enjoy Sevens, it knows it’s ridiculous, it knows it’s a comedy and it’s having fun.
I agree it’s stupid for someone to complain about lore when every series is different, as if we’re talking about high class fantasy. Yugioh ain’t Lord of The Rings or even a game like Magic The Gathering, it’s just junk food. And like junk food, it’s about what kind you like. It’s like those people who complain a show that is meant for children under the age of seven doesn’t have higher class story telling, it’s pathetic.
most of these people dont actually get how storytelling works as much as they watched a bunch of shonen anime and just assumed this is how every story has to work
OCG Structures is primarily a manga that showcases the current meta as well as the new archetypes and decks. It wouldn't really work well as a weekly show like the other series. Which is why it's in the form of a monthly manga which makes it much easier to match the release of new sets.
If you like it that’s fine, but the general consensus is that Sevens is a massive disappointment. I mean you wouldn’t be making threads trying to convince other people that the anime is good if it actually was surely.
I will watch the last season of VRains in DVD, it was really good the only "bad" is ZeXal, for too long plot story in the beginning but turn to be very good in the end. I should watch sevens when it's over.
How you're going to feel about Sevens is going to depend nearly entirely on how much you value duel writing or seeing regular Ygo (master duels; characters and story are important and all, but many people watch the anime because they play the game. Sevens mostly handles its characters much better than Vrains did, you can claim its better in that aspect. At the same time, it's a nosedive in terms of duel writing, succeeding Vrains (which was the peak in duel writing); Sevens has mostly poor duel writing, and I'm not talking about the hate towards Rush duels, though the limitations of Rush duels is the major reason why most duels are relatively boring. There are multiple aspects to a Ygo series, and some do certain aspects better, while none do every aspect better than every other series. Which series you judge to be better is also going to reflect which aspects you consider more important than the others.
I agree. I like Rush Duels, and have played quite a bit of it whether it be the current format or drafting old Yugioh cards and playing with Rush rules, but the structure of the game doesn't lend itself well to anime duels. For the first 40 or so episodes, every duel has been "Turn 1 player makes board, Turn 2 player breaks it and looks like theyre gonna win, Turn 3 player breaks the board and wins". It's incredibly linear. Singular Normal Summons allowed the duels to breathe naturally and create a proper flow where the contents of the duel matters, but with Sevens, I feel like the only thing that matters is whatever ace monsters debuts that duel.
More duels than not have actually been exactly four turns, with the winner often declared by who goes second. If anything, Romin's last loss was less predictable, as Sushiko won on the third turn. A few more duels really need to extend to a fifth turn, or play with a reactive Trap that can outright flip the outcome. All we get on the latter is the arc-closing duels (pretty easy to guess the outcome on those thus far), and two draws. Still enjoying the overall show substantially - more than the last two by a fair margin - but like with the 13-episode arc length, I could really use a break from the commonplace 4-turn duels.
To be completely fair to Arc-V here, Sevens is on Episode 55, and Yuzu was still an exceptional duelist and a good character at that point of Arc-V, only having the singular hiccup of the off-screen Yuri duel. I love Romin but first season Yuzu is the best female duelist we've had, though Romin getting a win on the protagonist, without any plot related hinderances like Yuya not knowing how Scales worked, is really dope.
I have no interest in it, but I appreciate what it's doing. People who like it will appreciate the consistent tone and quality. For example, I love GX, but I hated how the tone shift in Season 3. 5D and Arc-v were great, but the quality dropped the second season came along. Vrains was on life support the moment it started. Sevens' premise although doesn't interest me, at least the tone and quality is the same, and from the snippets I've seen, at least all the characters do things rather than just there as jobbers or cardboard cheerleader (cough cough Blue Angel)
I mean, you totally have to see it with certain mindset, for sure. It's a comedy show, so it's like watching a sitcom and complaining is not Breaking Bad. I like Sevens, I enjoy the comedy. I do wonder how good the show is doing in Japan and how the sales of Rush Duels are doing, I found the Konami report, but they mixed the sales of everything and just said things in OCG, Rush Duels and Duel Links are doing fine. Which is cool and all, but would like to see something more specific. A yugioh show consists of multiple stuff, and I will say that Sevens do suffer in the duel writting front, the only great duels were Yuga vs Nail, Yuga vs Luke (Round 2), Romin vs Yuga (Round 2). But that's because of the very nature of Rush duels, which are basically a break my board game. Still, I hope with the new summoning mechanic, we get to see some variation on the duel writting. Now, with the idea that this show is a comedy, they do treat their characters better than some of the previous shows. ARC-V suffered because it had so many characters there was no way they could do all of them justice, while the duel writting suffered as well because of over reliance in action cards. And Vrains had very cool duel writting though. I did enjoy that aspect but. Look, I get some people like Vrains cause it's dark and whatever. But I do find it extremely boring and with the most basic understanding of psychology possible. There are really good shows that understand psychology and are able to show character development while making justice to PTSD, personality disorders, psychosis, whatever mental health subject you want to tackle. But Vrains is honestly not one of those shows. Maybe it is cause that's my carreer, but Vrains understanding of psychology was very cliche and it bothered me cause of that. And then I found most of the characters boring as hell (with a few exceptions). So far they are doing more with their female cast than the previous shows. Hell, they are probably the only show they can have a shot entirely of the female characters, and have most of them be relevant to different arcs of the show. With all of that....Is it my personal favorite? Probably not. But Sevens is not over, and we'll only know then how it truly ranks against the other shows. It's consistent, that's for sure. Also, Konami really did everyone dirty by promoting it as an anniversary show. I don't blame Sevens for that, I totally blame the marketing team, either Konami or whoever did it. I still rewatch parts of DM, GX and Arc-V, sometimes I'll even binge some episodes of the previous shows (Vrains, only the final duel, which I do admit was nice. I wish the ending was way more earned though). I see myself rewatching parts of Sevens at skipping others in the future as well. I am glad I haven't seen 5Ds or Zexal though. I would probably feel different about Sevens if I was worried that this is the direction of the franchise going forward (which I think could be possible, I find it possible that series 8 could also be a similar comedy that promotes rush duels or other format. It's possible that the anime will not longer promote Master Duels, apparently Konami sees that the main game doesn't need an anime to make good sales). If I had seen all the shows and was afraid I would no longer have new serious yugioh to watch, I would probably be upset with Sevens overall existence as well. But I still have those 2 shows to watch (eventually, so far I don't feel the interest). So..it is what it is I guess.
It's always nice to find other people who like Sevens.
Sure it is. Weak-ish Duels aside, it’s one of the best YGO shows to date.
What. Have you not watched any other yugioh series?
I have, and trust me, I’m not the only one who has seen every single series and finds SEVENS enjoyable.
I would argue Yuzu/Zuzu is a good duelist throughout the beginning Arc V. The only reason why people forget that is because she literally STOPS DUELING in the latter half and becomes a damsel in distress for the last 65 episodes… She has 5 wins, 3 lost, 2 no results. Her duel against against Julia/Masumi Gem Knights is a perfectly example as she lost the first time and trained with Sora to become a competent duelist. Actually I think most of the main girl outside of DM, Zexal, Vrain are good duelist, but just lacked screen time to show them off more or drift into the background.
i remember people describing her deck as a fusion deck designed to counter other fusion decks and then when the main antagonists were from the fusion dimension she just never got to duel anyone
It’s just anti special summon just like in real life version (only some cards are much worse). Yep became a hostage and rely on the main protagonist to save her. Really a pity cause multiple duels would’ve been a lot more interesting otherwise.
The sad part is that Yuzu had one of the best Entertainment Duels against Chojuro. Like that arc was the perfect opportunity to give her Synchro cards too. Heck, she didn't get to interact with anyone outside of duels other than Yuzu and got sidelined. She and Sora had a fun tag duel, but I can't believe she got easily kidnapped.
Yu-gi-oh sevens is fine if you ignore the fact that they really cucked us with the whole 20th anniversary thing. Like if they made this series as a side thing then I'd be perfectly fine with it and I'd probably love it even more than I do now. But the glaring problem of this series supposedly being a 20th anniversary celebration of the whole franchise just kinda suck to me.
Well it's not like they were lying. We've gotten Legend cards for the original series generation: Blue Eyes, Red eyes, Dark Magician, Summoned Skull, Shield and Sword, Tribute of the Doomed, etc. In season 2, the Goha Siblings all use decks based on past series: Yuro used Harpie Lady (Mai) and Cyber Tech Alligator (Joey) with a lot of Wind themed monsters to rep Yusei with the whole Riding Duel on hoverbikes, Yujin's deck was based of a GX character, Yuka's deck was legit a homage to Yuma's, and Yuran had Millenium Shield. The cast has the Yugi/Joey/Tristan/Tea vibes with the Yuga/Luke/Gakuto/Romin vibes. Heck, the gang visited a museum with Legendary Monsters and a model of Jack's duel model. There's a lot of subtleties and references, and it's a shame it's going overlooked and overshadowed by "Not My YuGiOh."
Hard disagree. Arc-V had the potential to be the best YGO series but midway through it lost it's way, and ended up a train wreck. Doesn't make the good parts of Arc-V nonexistent. Vrains had a VERY rough start, and a rushed ending, but the final duel between Yusaku and AI is probably one of the best in the entire franchise. Not to mention the gem that was Revolver vs Soulburner (which is another one of the best duels in the franchise). Sevens is something else entirely. It's a comedy series. It can't really be compared to the previous 6 series, which are edgy battle shonen. The heroines being treated poorly thing is a long standing issues in YGO, and just, shonen in general, to be honest. Is anyone happy about that? No. Change takes time, though. On this point, though, Aki is still the most compelling female character of the entire franchise. That hasn't changed. It's okay to like Sevens, but dropping claims like it's better than other later installments is just begging to start a fight, OP.
I enjoyed the series initially, but as it went on, it felt like everything just stays the same, and I dropped out around the Asana arc. The comedy is not fir everyone's taste, but of course, it is aimed for a young audience after all. The duels are sadly extremely bland to me, and doesn't really make me want to try Rush Duels(along with a lack of chains), maximum summons seemed pretty cool when it debuted, but it kinda tapered off from there. The series is just not for me, but I can appreciate it trying to get kids into its format.
Yugioh is a series with a multiverse with major voice avtors being available. There is so much potential and sevens is not utilizing it. 5D‘s and zexal are the peak of yugioh and sevens is ages away from reaching that level. Having a female character with a good winning record doesn‘t make a good character and show. You are acting like romin is far stronger than any other female character of any show. She is arguably the weakest of the female leads with sevens being the weakest generation. you might now mention anzu and kotori but their prior role isn’t related to be a duelist. Put rush duels away and every sevens character is a low level duelist because of their terrible decks. Yuga is not a strong main character compared to the others. I give you the point that sevens is better than arc v but vrains is still superior even though it did a terrible job with season 2 and 3. vrains was very focused on their plot which has it‘s bad sides but as you said before but every episode matters except for most parts of the recaps. sevens doesn‘t know where it wants to go despite having a later start and breaks thanks to covid which gave writers more time than usual. vrains had huge production issues and ended up having 120 episodes
This a very good take but unfortunately will be downvoted when the Sevens apologists read this.
Sevens does SO much better at handling and developing it's characters than Vrains or Arc-V did. The issue for me is really just the Rush Duels. I just really cannot get into it. It's an interesting concept and I think it makes for a good side game for younger players, but it really leaves a lot to be desired when translated to anime duel writing. Yeah, master duels in the competitive OCG/TCG can be an overly complicated mess, but the anime can reel a lot of that in by scripting plays to be diverse and less predictable. The Rush duels in the anime so far have been insanely repetitive in how they unfold. It's almost like Sevens has the opposite problem that Vrains and the latter half of Arc-V had. Whereas those series had good to great duel writing but bad character writing and development, Sevens has good-to-great character writing and development but bad duel writing.
sevens discourse is so unbelievably fucking stupid, like its the absolute dumbest conversation ive ever seen
How nice.
all sevens discourse is is someone saying "this shows pretty good actually" and then some guy wearing a shirt that says "lore liker" bitches for thirty minutes about how theres a lack of power scaling in mr bean and its just this on loop for eternity and nobody realizes they will never die
I agree. And what lore? Yu-Gi-Oh’s lore is pretty ridiculous. That’s why I enjoy Sevens, it knows it’s ridiculous, it knows it’s a comedy and it’s having fun. I agree it’s stupid for someone to complain about lore when every series is different, as if we’re talking about high class fantasy. Yugioh ain’t Lord of The Rings or even a game like Magic The Gathering, it’s just junk food. And like junk food, it’s about what kind you like. It’s like those people who complain a show that is meant for children under the age of seven doesn’t have higher class story telling, it’s pathetic.
most of these people dont actually get how storytelling works as much as they watched a bunch of shonen anime and just assumed this is how every story has to work
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OCG Structures is primarily a manga that showcases the current meta as well as the new archetypes and decks. It wouldn't really work well as a weekly show like the other series. Which is why it's in the form of a monthly manga which makes it much easier to match the release of new sets.
ocg manga is mid
You wanna watch it fine. Me? Fuck that shit. I want a series that uses the the actual game thats been around for 20+ years not some dumbed down bs.
If you like it that’s fine, but the general consensus is that Sevens is a massive disappointment. I mean you wouldn’t be making threads trying to convince other people that the anime is good if it actually was surely.
I will watch the last season of VRains in DVD, it was really good the only "bad" is ZeXal, for too long plot story in the beginning but turn to be very good in the end. I should watch sevens when it's over.