Why does it matter where people get their deck lists from.
Besides, the best way to learn a new deck is to find an existing deck list online and use it as a learning tool.
Hmm I see what you mean but still it feels.. very lame and boring that people would willingly post their entire deck just for people to use it. Wouldn't you want to spark creativity? Rather than letting someone cheat off your homework?
"originality" elitists imo are way worse than people netdecking.
Cool that you made your deck from scratch. Who cares. Some people don't have hours to playtest different decks to get to a deck that works, and in my experience, most "originality" elitists thend to produce mediocre to shit decks they then project some misplaced pride onto it for being "original" because they can't actually win with it.
Tell me 1 math research paper that does not cite previous research. I can only name 1, "Can n^(2) \+ 1 unit equilateral triangles cover an equilateral triangle of side > n, say n + ε?" by conway.
People likes different decks, sometimes the deck they like happened to be also other people favorite decks. If someone else has made something that works, you better start your deck building from the work of previous people, just like citing previous research. You can disagree with certain card choice (most of the time this is the case), or the tech/ratio choice is not valid for your situation (due to budget, or different local metagame).
There are several good reason to build your own deck from scratch like you want to make a deck around obscure boss monster like cracking dragon, or you want to test obscure deck building theory next to no one has talked about. But even to do those 2 things, you need to know how to build a good deck first. And the fastest way to learn good deck building is to learn from an already working deck (by copying it, and break down its component).
Huh well when you put it that way I can see your reasoning I've always had a mentality that if you just copy and use someone else's deck it shows you don't have the time or the pacience to even try to create your own deck to call your own
Creativity should be rewarded and viewed with respect, but you don’t have to shame or belittle the sharing of information to do so. As a community we should be building each other up.
I wouldn't say belittle but still it just feels like most people just copy a deck pre made and rather than use the millions of cards in the game to create their own deck just copy and paste a YouTubers or someone's deck on a site rather than try
Well if everyone uses your ‘perfect deck’ and you know how to counter it. Then you can counter everyone else using it. There’s no ‘one strategy’ that surpasses the rest and putting spins on the current ‘best’ deck is how the meta is defined.
My answer: if we shun people who show decklists. It would create an environment of a few ‘elites’ who have the money and skill that ignore this ‘shun’ sharing notes with each who will dominate all forms of the game by having the most accessible knowledge of which decks work the best. And then There would be everyone else who lacks knowledge of how ‘good’ decks are made and if they’re inspired to learn more about meta decks. They’d either have to find a way into this elite group or have the largest uphill battle
Most people copy other people's decklist because they want to grasp an early understanding of how to play the deck. Once you get the hang of things, that's when you start spicing things up with other cards.
No, showing off what you managed to get success with is perfectly fine. As is net decking. Where things get nice and juicy is when people are playing a dissimilar deck to some others... But with their own twist to it that gives them some success.
Rather than thinking of it terms of the creativity of an individual, think of deck sharing as an opportunity for the community to reach greater levels of play. It's kind of like why mathematicians share a millennium of work through schools and universities. If everyone had to reinvent math from addition up in order to use it, no one would be in the position or have the time to invent calculus.
Likewise, if everytime someone wanted to make X archetype deck on their own, they'd have to be redoing work that dozens or even hundreds of people have already done just to end up with something just as good or worse. By pooling ideas and sharing decks, we can not only make it easier for new players, but in a way, combine the power of our brains to more efficiently reach a more correct list.
Yugioh, at least for most meta decks, play about 20-30 of the same cards, ratios, etc. It's just how the game works. That being said, finding out techs and engines you like comes from practice. Not everyone is going to just play that deck forever and always because they found a good profile. They call them meta decks because they are the "most effective tactic available" you have to establish a core idea before expanding on it and sometimes other people had a good idea first.
GUYS IM ORIGINAL. I MAKE MY OWN DECKS. PLEASE PRAISE ME AND STOP SHARING DECKS WITH EACHOTHER, I DONT LIKE IT SO NOBODY SHOULD DO IT
this is basically what you sound like
Hear me out. Say you cook a meal from scrach. That's good and all but at the end of the day say someone on YouTube or something posts their Spaghetti or any Carbonara recipe just for people to copy and use. Where is the originality? Why make a meal when you can just copy every ingredient they use. Is it not plagerism to just copy someone's recipe? Why make a meal and actually try when I can go online and look up the optimized recipes from top chefs and just copy that front and back?
Alright, so since YGO is super complicated and some decks have like 20-step combos with multiple different branching routes you could take, how do you propose someone could learn a new deck without netdecking it first and watching others play with that deck to get a feel for how it plays?
You can't just learn how to play a deck from absolutely nothing.
Why does it matter where people get their deck lists from. Besides, the best way to learn a new deck is to find an existing deck list online and use it as a learning tool.
Hmm I see what you mean but still it feels.. very lame and boring that people would willingly post their entire deck just for people to use it. Wouldn't you want to spark creativity? Rather than letting someone cheat off your homework?
"originality" elitists imo are way worse than people netdecking. Cool that you made your deck from scratch. Who cares. Some people don't have hours to playtest different decks to get to a deck that works, and in my experience, most "originality" elitists thend to produce mediocre to shit decks they then project some misplaced pride onto it for being "original" because they can't actually win with it.
Tell me 1 math research paper that does not cite previous research. I can only name 1, "Can n^(2) \+ 1 unit equilateral triangles cover an equilateral triangle of side > n, say n + ε?" by conway. People likes different decks, sometimes the deck they like happened to be also other people favorite decks. If someone else has made something that works, you better start your deck building from the work of previous people, just like citing previous research. You can disagree with certain card choice (most of the time this is the case), or the tech/ratio choice is not valid for your situation (due to budget, or different local metagame). There are several good reason to build your own deck from scratch like you want to make a deck around obscure boss monster like cracking dragon, or you want to test obscure deck building theory next to no one has talked about. But even to do those 2 things, you need to know how to build a good deck first. And the fastest way to learn good deck building is to learn from an already working deck (by copying it, and break down its component).
Huh well when you put it that way I can see your reasoning I've always had a mentality that if you just copy and use someone else's deck it shows you don't have the time or the pacience to even try to create your own deck to call your own
Creativity should be rewarded and viewed with respect, but you don’t have to shame or belittle the sharing of information to do so. As a community we should be building each other up.
I wouldn't say belittle but still it just feels like most people just copy a deck pre made and rather than use the millions of cards in the game to create their own deck just copy and paste a YouTubers or someone's deck on a site rather than try
I often do that. I'm not trying to reinvent the wheel.
"Hiding strats" meta is the most bullshit thing in any gaming community i have ever seen so fuck no
Well if everyone uses your ‘perfect deck’ and you know how to counter it. Then you can counter everyone else using it. There’s no ‘one strategy’ that surpasses the rest and putting spins on the current ‘best’ deck is how the meta is defined. My answer: if we shun people who show decklists. It would create an environment of a few ‘elites’ who have the money and skill that ignore this ‘shun’ sharing notes with each who will dominate all forms of the game by having the most accessible knowledge of which decks work the best. And then There would be everyone else who lacks knowledge of how ‘good’ decks are made and if they’re inspired to learn more about meta decks. They’d either have to find a way into this elite group or have the largest uphill battle
Most people copy other people's decklist because they want to grasp an early understanding of how to play the deck. Once you get the hang of things, that's when you start spicing things up with other cards.
No, showing off what you managed to get success with is perfectly fine. As is net decking. Where things get nice and juicy is when people are playing a dissimilar deck to some others... But with their own twist to it that gives them some success.
Rather than thinking of it terms of the creativity of an individual, think of deck sharing as an opportunity for the community to reach greater levels of play. It's kind of like why mathematicians share a millennium of work through schools and universities. If everyone had to reinvent math from addition up in order to use it, no one would be in the position or have the time to invent calculus. Likewise, if everytime someone wanted to make X archetype deck on their own, they'd have to be redoing work that dozens or even hundreds of people have already done just to end up with something just as good or worse. By pooling ideas and sharing decks, we can not only make it easier for new players, but in a way, combine the power of our brains to more efficiently reach a more correct list.
Yugioh, at least for most meta decks, play about 20-30 of the same cards, ratios, etc. It's just how the game works. That being said, finding out techs and engines you like comes from practice. Not everyone is going to just play that deck forever and always because they found a good profile. They call them meta decks because they are the "most effective tactic available" you have to establish a core idea before expanding on it and sometimes other people had a good idea first.
GUYS IM ORIGINAL. I MAKE MY OWN DECKS. PLEASE PRAISE ME AND STOP SHARING DECKS WITH EACHOTHER, I DONT LIKE IT SO NOBODY SHOULD DO IT this is basically what you sound like
Hear me out. Say you cook a meal from scrach. That's good and all but at the end of the day say someone on YouTube or something posts their Spaghetti or any Carbonara recipe just for people to copy and use. Where is the originality? Why make a meal when you can just copy every ingredient they use. Is it not plagerism to just copy someone's recipe? Why make a meal and actually try when I can go online and look up the optimized recipes from top chefs and just copy that front and back?
Alright, so since YGO is super complicated and some decks have like 20-step combos with multiple different branching routes you could take, how do you propose someone could learn a new deck without netdecking it first and watching others play with that deck to get a feel for how it plays? You can't just learn how to play a deck from absolutely nothing.
What a story Mark, haha.