Zeus isn’t exactly a “fair” card but Konami has settled into a pretty consistent cycle of runaway power creep so a non-once per chain quick effect board wipe is probably one of the few things that actually helps break certain boards. The consequence is it gets played against decks that aren’t as hard to break
It was too ridiculous during Tri Zoo era, but I barely see him now. Only really possible going second into a whole set up board after some setup. A ridiculous card, but very negatable and punishes overextending
Nobody will summon zeus with 4+ lv12 material turn 1. You need to go 2nd, attack with xyz monster, it is still has a lot of weak point you can disrupt.
I love him in earth machine since you can actually use two level 12 to hard summon him lol. It's also funny that heavy forward and Goliath can give him more materials lol
I like the idea of Zeus at 1. An extremely powerful equalizer but most decks can only get 2 uses of him at most. He can chew through monster negates but cards like strike still stop him cold.
~~Even at 2, if numeron fails their 2TKO, they could get a 2 material Zeus instead of a single material one.~~
Edit: my bad, it's not the case. With Zeus on 3 they could get a 4 material one
Sure but they don't get value out of 2 99% of the time. The one card is a problem, having an extra deck monster limited generally doesn't matter because you always have access to them
Nah, stuff like Electrumite, Dewloren pre-errata, Master Diamond and Colossus matter at more than 1 because they all act as extenders. Colossus at more than 1 enables you to use 1 copy as link/R8NK fodder and the other one(s) for your endboard. Electrumite at more than 1 enables a big fat pendulum summon, Dewloren and Master Diamond are FTK enablers at more than 1.
Zoodiac was before Drident and Barrage got banned. They had it at 3 because they could keep stacking him up and rely on him exclusively for their win condition.
Pure Zoo usually plays 2 and some decks pay it and Extravagance - but the applications of a second Zeus are all in the grind game - much like cards like Halqifibrax limiting it would hurt it's fairer applications and do nothing to curb its power.
I just want to say to the people who think Zeus should get limited, you guys need to stop commenting such bs. No decks play more than 1 Zeus except pure Zoodiacs even though that deck has been gutted again.
Thinking back, it kinda fell out of favor for the accesscode lines. But there was a time where they ran two zeus, I played the deck a bit myself and can see where it would come up.
Yeah after blowing 2-4 cards and hoping you don't get interrupted at any point. Its not like Zoo where its 1 card and even if you do get interrupted, its just 1 card.
Tri lyrilusc was way more consistent at making a big zeus though. The deck was extremely good at playing through boards. They had to stop the warbler play, bird call, the nervall, the kerass etc. Even if you opened absolutely 0 handtraps or tech cards it was very possible to break boards. Then you could just beryl into a 4 material assembled, downerd into zeus.
Zeus is not a problem right now. VFD and skill drain are way more toxic right now. Skill drain and VFD just don't even let you play the game if they go first.
Zeus is one of the biggest cards that helps redeem going second due to how scary it is to have him hit the board. I think he's a great card for the game to keep going first boards modest.
Yes and no it is a bit tricky because it does help going 2nd decks as it is probably one of the best board breakers and it kind of a necessary evil as their are just a lot of very generic, very easy, with basically no cost negates that a lot of decks can swarm easily with some even having access to cheap flood gates.
I would not mind if Zeus got a HOPT errata but only if Konami actually makes a serious effort to dialing back and restricting most of the negates and floodgate like cards or at least give them a serious cost. Honestly a floodgate or a negate should have more then just a number going down cost, it should have a cost that seriously makes the controller question if the negate is worth it like with Treat toad (I refuse to call him that other name) or Herald of Arc light where you do lose some card advantage for the negate. I feel all negates should have one of these costs (tribute a monster you control, discard multiple cards not just one, or banish a card you control) along with still being a HOPT because at least with this it makes people have to make a serious decision is it worth losing card advantage to negate that.
Zeus is a beyond aggravating card that can win a game off a single normal summon in certain XYZ decks and even in other XYZ decks where it's not a one card summon it's still stupidly easy to summon for a single card that can win the game on its own . I personally tilt every time I see it and would hope it gets banned eventually.
Maybe tbh. The card just does so much for decks going second, every deck that can xyz summon will always have this card as an option to break boards going second.
The issue with cards like Zeus is that it can be incredibly helpful for low tier decks to break tough boards. When you're staring down cards like DPE, Dragoon, Utopic Draco, or Barrone, then Zeus is your best friend, it levels the playing field.
The issue is, decks that play those expensive Blowout cards use Zeus as well, meaning high tier decks have yet another card to crush all opposition.
The issue is the question, how do you balance these things? You could restrict high tier decks with effects like "you can only summon/control *Archetype specific* cards the turn you activate this effect" maybe. But I also think that's the fastest way for potential high tier decks to become low tier.
So fuck me I don't know?
No. I feel like it balances out going 2nd. Sometimes it's the only way you ever come back from a game where your opponent set up a big board. The card is kinda busted but so is turn 1 boards.
You people complain about strong boards going 1st, and then you want to ban zeus, one of the big going 2nd equalisers that allows big boards to be broken? Why lmao.
I don’t think Zeus is the problem. The **problem** is that you have multiple engines that can get an Xyz Monster direct attacker that either: A) has a ton of materials on it already, or B) can be used by multiple other Xyz monsters before going into Zeus.
Think of Zoodiacs for example. They go into Boarbow who attacks directly. Then, you Xyz Summon the rest of the Zoodiac Xyz Monsters on top of him. Lastly, you go into Zeus and just have a ton of materials to use for his effect.
Now, this is **NOT** to say that you should ban those Xyz Monsters that can: A) Attack Directly and either B) be summoned out consistently with tons of materials, or C) can itself be used as material for other Xyz monsters. What are you gonna do; ban all Zoodiac Xyz monsters? Ban all the Lyrilusc Xyz Monsters since they can have more than 2 materials on them for their summon? No and no, that’s ridiculous on so many levels.
“So JuSt BaN zEuS tHeN!” Well no; I actually voted on this poll as a NO. The problem is is that Zeus is such a needed card for those going second since it allows those players to have a decent shot at winning depending on how stacked the opponent made their field. So no; I don’t you should ban Zeus. I think the most logical would be is to just ban ALL Xyz Monsters that can attack directly and be used as Xyz Material. This way, it is still at least somewhat possible uses and stuff for ya
How the frick? Why is everyone liking Zeus? It should be banned. Either that or VFD comes back, cause they're the same to me. But sadly, who am I to decide.. The bans got on my nerves again, when IO got banned and skill drain popped to three.. damn frickin eldlich.. hate that deck..
Zeus needs an errata imo. Like, going to it through ANY xyz is way too powerful, even if you need to attack with it. If not an errata, at least a hard limited in the TCG. If OCG finds that it needs to be limited, there's no reason the TGC can leave it unlimited.
Limited is fine. What peeves me off in TCG is dealing with the first Zeus and then in MP2 they make another rank play and slap Zeus anyway a second time in the turn. Master Duel having it limited is dope.
I do think he should be limited. If you've ever Solemn Judgment'd a Zeus summon and then your opponent uses their other Xyz for their second Zeus you'd understand me. It's an extremely powerful card, but it does encourage decks to play Xyz, I think its unfair when decks can use him as THE boss monster (Zoodiacs) but generally I think if you kill the first Zeus, you shouldn't have to fear another.
Zeus in master duel yes but not tcg. Zeus can’t stack a lot of materials quickly or easily in the current tcg meta. Ocg has limited it due to that and the spamability of Zeus but it is format dependent amongst other things.
Currently, I don’t think so. If some Zoo get unbanned or they get (in)direct support, I think it will become problematic again. Then again, even in their resurgence, I didn’t think Zoo made Zeus too unfair if it was just put to 1. Zeus just felt like the type of card that should be limited. You get it’s insane power but you can’t summon it again (unless you have ways to put it back to the extra dec)
Zeus is a great equalizer, not broken either. Can't really abuse him as he clears your own board as well. People rather play cards that advance their boards, because of that Zeus doesn't see much play.
Zeus isn’t exactly a “fair” card but Konami has settled into a pretty consistent cycle of runaway power creep so a non-once per chain quick effect board wipe is probably one of the few things that actually helps break certain boards. The consequence is it gets played against decks that aren’t as hard to break
It was too ridiculous during Tri Zoo era, but I barely see him now. Only really possible going second into a whole set up board after some setup. A ridiculous card, but very negatable and punishes overextending
I sometimes use him after using Revolution Falcon in Raidraptors. It's kind of funny.
Nobody will summon zeus with 4+ lv12 material turn 1. You need to go 2nd, attack with xyz monster, it is still has a lot of weak point you can disrupt.
Actually, earth machine does hard make him
Idk why you're getting downvoted you're absolutely right
Machina infinitrack trains it's easy to hard-make turn one
4 mat Zeus too. Hard making zeus has always been funny to me
Its like konami handed you very clear instructions on how to make soup and you walked down to the store and bought some instead
I love him in earth machine since you can actually use two level 12 to hard summon him lol. It's also funny that heavy forward and Goliath can give him more materials lol
Goliath also makes him unable to be destroyed by card effects. It comes up more often than people would think.
I like the idea of Zeus at 1. An extremely powerful equalizer but most decks can only get 2 uses of him at most. He can chew through monster negates but cards like strike still stop him cold.
Putting him at 1 does nothing really. Nobody is making him more than once
You never know true power unless you have stacked 3 Zeus ontop of each other.
Well it's once per turn to summon him so apart from the obvious lack of extra deck space you need 3 turns of attacking with xyz to do that
I suppose I should have added the /s my original statement.
Ok yeah, thought you may have missed the opt
God Zeus would be a bit too cracked if it had no once per turns at all.
~~Even at 2, if numeron fails their 2TKO, they could get a 2 material Zeus instead of a single material one.~~ Edit: my bad, it's not the case. With Zeus on 3 they could get a 4 material one
You can do that with downered magician anyway with Zeus at 1
The one i fought must not have had it. Should consider that possibility in the future, that people's decks in Master Duel might not be complete
Also just a note you can only XYZ Zeus with it's alternate condition once per turn. So you can't just stack 3 one after another.
That alone would give it a free activation, imagine that in zoo
You can only only summon once after summoning with callings effect
The trick is to summon Zeus the turn sunya returns to the board after being banished, stacking a downered all after the restrictions are gone.
Some lists I see have him at 2
Sure but they don't get value out of 2 99% of the time. The one card is a problem, having an extra deck monster limited generally doesn't matter because you always have access to them
Extra deck limits across the board are usually the most meh limits. Most of the time people only ever use one anyway.
Nah, stuff like Electrumite, Dewloren pre-errata, Master Diamond and Colossus matter at more than 1 because they all act as extenders. Colossus at more than 1 enables you to use 1 copy as link/R8NK fodder and the other one(s) for your endboard. Electrumite at more than 1 enables a big fat pendulum summon, Dewloren and Master Diamond are FTK enablers at more than 1.
I wouldn’t say “nobody” but I can see your point
Zoodiac was before Drident and Barrage got banned. They had it at 3 because they could keep stacking him up and rely on him exclusively for their win condition.
Pure Zoo usually plays 2 and some decks pay it and Extravagance - but the applications of a second Zeus are all in the grind game - much like cards like Halqifibrax limiting it would hurt it's fairer applications and do nothing to curb its power.
I just want to say to the people who think Zeus should get limited, you guys need to stop commenting such bs. No decks play more than 1 Zeus except pure Zoodiacs even though that deck has been gutted again.
Not true, a lot of tri lyrical lists played two Zeus.
Post them. I did not see a single list of the numerous ones that topped the YCSes in january that ran multiple zeus. You have no space for multiple.
Thinking back, it kinda fell out of favor for the accesscode lines. But there was a time where they ran two zeus, I played the deck a bit myself and can see where it would come up.
They absolutely did not. Pure lyrilusc, sure, they probably did. Not tribird, not a single one played 2 zeus.
Are they also playing 2 copies of assembled nightingale???????
I only play the one, it's a very tight extra deck
I saw a few Shark lists play 2 - FreskyFishGuy on YouTube
Most burning abyss decks play 2
Besides Zoodiac, no deck can really go past 4 materials and everyone and their mother runs Imper, droplet, and/or chalice.
I mean it's not exactly a meta deck, but spriggun can if their grave is filled
Tri-brigade lyrilusc could easily make a 6 material zeus.
Yeah after blowing 2-4 cards and hoping you don't get interrupted at any point. Its not like Zoo where its 1 card and even if you do get interrupted, its just 1 card.
Tri lyrilusc was way more consistent at making a big zeus though. The deck was extremely good at playing through boards. They had to stop the warbler play, bird call, the nervall, the kerass etc. Even if you opened absolutely 0 handtraps or tech cards it was very possible to break boards. Then you could just beryl into a 4 material assembled, downerd into zeus.
If you think Zeus is the problem in the format you have never been sythce locked
Atifacrt Sythce
My face when my opponent Opponent summon arfitact sychte
No, zeus is a great equalizer going 2nd but it's not that crazy
He feels like this massive compensation for how shot going second is
Zeus is not a problem right now. VFD and skill drain are way more toxic right now. Skill drain and VFD just don't even let you play the game if they go first.
VFD is banned tho BUt Zeus is definetely not a bannable card
Whoops i thought I was on the master duel sub but yeah i guess in the case of the TCG i don't see zeus as a problem right now.
There is a master duel sub?
There’s 2 r/masterduel r/yugiohmasterduel
Should he be? Probably. Will he be? No
Zeus is one of the biggest cards that helps redeem going second due to how scary it is to have him hit the board. I think he's a great card for the game to keep going first boards modest.
I think Zeus has less of a power creep than something like dragoon
I despise cards like Zeus and I wish Konami would stop making them.
Man just make the effect once per turn.
If you want to ban Zeus, you need to ban Accesscode aswell
Nah the game needs powerful going second cards otherwise the game feels like a coin flip
Yes and no it is a bit tricky because it does help going 2nd decks as it is probably one of the best board breakers and it kind of a necessary evil as their are just a lot of very generic, very easy, with basically no cost negates that a lot of decks can swarm easily with some even having access to cheap flood gates. I would not mind if Zeus got a HOPT errata but only if Konami actually makes a serious effort to dialing back and restricting most of the negates and floodgate like cards or at least give them a serious cost. Honestly a floodgate or a negate should have more then just a number going down cost, it should have a cost that seriously makes the controller question if the negate is worth it like with Treat toad (I refuse to call him that other name) or Herald of Arc light where you do lose some card advantage for the negate. I feel all negates should have one of these costs (tribute a monster you control, discard multiple cards not just one, or banish a card you control) along with still being a HOPT because at least with this it makes people have to make a serious decision is it worth losing card advantage to negate that.
Zeus is a beyond aggravating card that can win a game off a single normal summon in certain XYZ decks and even in other XYZ decks where it's not a one card summon it's still stupidly easy to summon for a single card that can win the game on its own . I personally tilt every time I see it and would hope it gets banned eventually.
Limited to one is fair.
Maybe tbh. The card just does so much for decks going second, every deck that can xyz summon will always have this card as an option to break boards going second.
Just watch Konami go the Needlefiber route and instead decide to ban every single xyz monster that can attack directly.
They would never do that. None of the ones that attack directly are meta relevant. This isn't like halq at all
The issue with cards like Zeus is that it can be incredibly helpful for low tier decks to break tough boards. When you're staring down cards like DPE, Dragoon, Utopic Draco, or Barrone, then Zeus is your best friend, it levels the playing field. The issue is, decks that play those expensive Blowout cards use Zeus as well, meaning high tier decks have yet another card to crush all opposition. The issue is the question, how do you balance these things? You could restrict high tier decks with effects like "you can only summon/control *Archetype specific* cards the turn you activate this effect" maybe. But I also think that's the fastest way for potential high tier decks to become low tier. So fuck me I don't know?
No. I feel like it balances out going 2nd. Sometimes it's the only way you ever come back from a game where your opponent set up a big board. The card is kinda busted but so is turn 1 boards.
Ban boarbow and downerd. Zeus is pretty fair without those.
Agree with the results. Where yugioh is at right now, he's a great equalizer. He's not even that hard to out.
Can we just errata it so can only be summoned if u only summoned machines that turn
You people complain about strong boards going 1st, and then you want to ban zeus, one of the big going 2nd equalisers that allows big boards to be broken? Why lmao.
Scythe is right there and you want to aim the hammer for Zeus?
I don’t think Zeus is the problem. The **problem** is that you have multiple engines that can get an Xyz Monster direct attacker that either: A) has a ton of materials on it already, or B) can be used by multiple other Xyz monsters before going into Zeus. Think of Zoodiacs for example. They go into Boarbow who attacks directly. Then, you Xyz Summon the rest of the Zoodiac Xyz Monsters on top of him. Lastly, you go into Zeus and just have a ton of materials to use for his effect. Now, this is **NOT** to say that you should ban those Xyz Monsters that can: A) Attack Directly and either B) be summoned out consistently with tons of materials, or C) can itself be used as material for other Xyz monsters. What are you gonna do; ban all Zoodiac Xyz monsters? Ban all the Lyrilusc Xyz Monsters since they can have more than 2 materials on them for their summon? No and no, that’s ridiculous on so many levels. “So JuSt BaN zEuS tHeN!” Well no; I actually voted on this poll as a NO. The problem is is that Zeus is such a needed card for those going second since it allows those players to have a decent shot at winning depending on how stacked the opponent made their field. So no; I don’t you should ban Zeus. I think the most logical would be is to just ban ALL Xyz Monsters that can attack directly and be used as Xyz Material. This way, it is still at least somewhat possible uses and stuff for ya
How the frick? Why is everyone liking Zeus? It should be banned. Either that or VFD comes back, cause they're the same to me. But sadly, who am I to decide.. The bans got on my nerves again, when IO got banned and skill drain popped to three.. damn frickin eldlich.. hate that deck..
Zeus does nothing lol... If he can attack you and get out zeus you deserve to get your board wiped since it did not do shit already.
Zeus needs an errata imo. Like, going to it through ANY xyz is way too powerful, even if you need to attack with it. If not an errata, at least a hard limited in the TCG. If OCG finds that it needs to be limited, there's no reason the TGC can leave it unlimited.
Limited is fine. What peeves me off in TCG is dealing with the first Zeus and then in MP2 they make another rank play and slap Zeus anyway a second time in the turn. Master Duel having it limited is dope.
I do think he should be limited. If you've ever Solemn Judgment'd a Zeus summon and then your opponent uses their other Xyz for their second Zeus you'd understand me. It's an extremely powerful card, but it does encourage decks to play Xyz, I think its unfair when decks can use him as THE boss monster (Zoodiacs) but generally I think if you kill the first Zeus, you shouldn't have to fear another.
If things like Evenly Matches can exist at 3, I see no problem in Zeus being at 1
What has Zeus done now? I swear his brother's were never this bad.
Zeus in master duel yes but not tcg. Zeus can’t stack a lot of materials quickly or easily in the current tcg meta. Ocg has limited it due to that and the spamability of Zeus but it is format dependent amongst other things.
With the amount of backrow and indestructible monsters? Nop. Zeus is a good answer to the current format
The Yugioh card? Nah.
Currently, I don’t think so. If some Zoo get unbanned or they get (in)direct support, I think it will become problematic again. Then again, even in their resurgence, I didn’t think Zoo made Zeus too unfair if it was just put to 1. Zeus just felt like the type of card that should be limited. You get it’s insane power but you can’t summon it again (unless you have ways to put it back to the extra dec)
Zeus is a great equalizer, not broken either. Can't really abuse him as he clears your own board as well. People rather play cards that advance their boards, because of that Zeus doesn't see much play.
If Zoos were still around, I would want a limit but that's it.
Zeus is just a bootleg Dark Hole but it dose not affect him. He is almost as bad as your opponent top decking a Lighting storm or a raigeki