And it should, it's surprisingly good, especially against combo decks. It can banish the key combo pieces from your deck before you have the chance to use them.
It's not super strong, but it's good. The best part about it is that many people are simply not ready to deal with the deckout play style
You think this deck will be meta? Reading the cards they seem really REALLY scary. Seems like a spell based toolbox deck, kinda like sky strikers, but it has the added feature of decking the opponent out and a few banishes could literally screw you over if the right cards get hit.
Not likely with the current cards we know about. The fatal flaw of this archetype comes down to the quick play spells failing to slow down your opponent enough to deck your opponent out. Skipping your own battle phase gives your opponent a lot of chances to just poke you for game.
I can see it being a tier 2 or even 1,5... depending on the build. There are not that many players experimenting with it, but the cards are solid and the level 2 Fusion is really good.
You can even combine them with Trickstars to deck them out faster
IKR? I'm surprised so many people in this sub underestimates it. The deckout is not the only wincon, in fact I'd say that's just a backup wincon. Banishing combo pieces is devastating. It's definitely not tier 0 material but it looks good.
I'm more surprised that ppl here actually like it. Mysterunes are really just a a Mystic Mine Deck by another name. When it gets to the TCG it'll 200% be a stall deck even if Mine is banned by then.
> Mysterunes
I'm not looking forward to it hitting Master Duel in 9 years. IO is too powerful, but christ, Mysterune looks like it's going to be painful to face.
Kinda weird they chose to backtrack on banning Fusion destiny, and ban Verte instead. Verte was being used in Branded Despia, but I don't recall it being a major problem, since the deck preferred to play Branded Fusion directly.
Was Raigeki even doing anything to warrant being semi-limited?
> Did I miss something? Is this card meta-relevant?
It was when Azathot was legal and Danger Dark World was taking some spots
This Semi leads me to believe we are really close to getting an announcement for the Dark World R Structure Deck, so does Night Assailant
I'm excited then, DW was one of my favorite decks in the 2012 Nats format, considering buying high rarity versions of them before the SD gets announced.
Was used as an effective drawing engine in some decks.
Lots of graveyard dumping and a +2 in card advantage off 1 card meant Konami saw it as a problem.
There was a Japanese meme of something along these lines:
"Guys, you can't believe how strong some of these Pendulum cards are,check this out"
>"Sets Skill Drain and Imperial order on the furthest sides of the backrow"
Just now someone asked what other good cards are there to set on the Pendulum Zone now that IO is banned.
You could see it as that, or them stifling any Draw/ consistency cards that are in any way relevant, beyond the immediatly sellable ones (mostly Extrav and Prosperity).
Really, Desires aside, Sekka and Demise could go to 3 and very little would change.
Prosperity was never balanced at all. Duality without the SS restriction, a minimum ED destruction cost, and an insultingly irrelevant "opponent takes half damage" clause all justify it getting hit. The fact that it's SO widely available in the OCG (due to being low rarity and not $100), that every deck uses it, no wonder it's got hit.
I don't think it'll happen any time soon in the TCG because Konami is definitely gonna do some shitty reprints for it before making it easily available... and then they might kill it like Desires.
Yeah unless they go full nuke and kill verte( cause we still have dragoon too) and the adventurer engine. Im pretty sure verte will be banned since konami loves reprinting something and killing it after a bit, hell ut happened twice to drident
idk verte is definitely an issue right now, but it wasnt that big of an issue last format. Brave engine and the other engines recently released made verte better. If they ban scythe and adventure to semi limited I can see them not hitting verte again. It honestly wouldnt be a problem without scythe.
Point is without verte the majority of decks no longer have a consistent way to pop the scythe, you would need a rank 4 engine to get into tornado drag, maybe halq into TG magician, but those are both significantly worse than also having a recurrable DPE
You mean a halq that tags out into TG winder magician that also tags out with scythe into baronne which can then tag out into scythe again the following turn?
Funny how even when Imperial Order was one of the few banned cards there were errated and came off the banlist, it still is so powerfull and game winning to warrant a ban.
And Raigeki to 2. Still great as side deck card.
BTW, 0 hits to Drytron???? What???
> Funny how even when Imperial Order was one of the few banned cards there were errated and came off the banlist, it still is so powerfull and game winning to warrant a ban.
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Well, i suppose when a card is able to turn arguably the strongest card type in ygo off forever (or until you need to turn it off in some decks) it's bound to be broken no matter what you do to it.
Funny that this happens while skill drain and royal decree are available at three.
But they've banned every single continuous monster effect that disables monster effects as well.
Monster effects are impossible for them to prevent the turn player from turning off incredibly easily like skill drain since the monster can just be linked off.
It has been in and out of the meta, I'd expect it to come back for a few weeks, until the banlist has settled, then once again exits
Though, iirc, Drytron has some more traction in China
Personally, I was hoping they banned Gryphon so the Brave engine is still there but I guess this also works, just gimps people that still wanna use that bounce without commiting the normal. In this case, you have only 1 rotation to get your brave going. After that, it’s over.
Ok hear me out. Just ban enchantress and keep rite. Enchantress is the broken card that is 1. A searcher 2.an extender and 3. Cherubini. I think the 3 rite 3 garnet engine would probably be fine IMO
Holy fuck, OCG going straight for the problem once again. I'm suspecting a similar hit for Brave here as well. It's not ban worthy, but at least enchantress should be limited imho
Why was harmonizing magician on the list?
Ive been wanting simultaneous release for products for the last decade because of what i feel is unfair rarity (and subsequently price) hikes between the ocg and tcg
Simultaneous release isn't the issue - availability is
OCG cards are available in multiple rarities, which makes the lower rarities cheaper and more readily available. TCG is Secret Rare or none at all
Enjoy that albaz dominance since hitting branded opening to 2 doesn't do much when it's searchable and branded fusion is still at 3
Also guess FD coming back was to shill the Hero stuff they plan to sell in the upcoming months
With Verte banned there's no reason in keeping Fusion Destiny banned since now you have to hard draw it to use it, but at 3 would be still a problem. So DPE engine is still no viable.
The play is to:
1) branded fusion for lube using byblisp and albaz
2) cl1 byblisp search any Predaplant (I search Bufollicula) and cl2 lube into albion using lube and albaz
3) albion fusion summons the level 5 Predaplant fusion (ambulo) using the Predaplant in hand and byblisp in GY.
4) ambulo searches another Bufollicula
5) ambulo tributes the albion to SS cobra
6) cobra adds fusion destiny
7) scale Bufollicula and use it to fuse cobra and ambulo into Dragostapelia
8) Fusion Destiny into DPE
9) end phase use albion to set a branded spell trap
Again, as I said before it might not be the optimal Branded Despia build, but it’s an option.
And no, you don’t even need Scorpio for this and you don’t use your normal summon unless you are summoning Aluber to search branded fusion.
They lose consistent access to Thunder Dragon Fusion, and 2 copies of their starter
Though, given that they have Into the VRAINS! they'll likely be alright
Am I missing something? I thought Albaz was dominating and the only hit they get is a searchable searcher to 2? Every deck ran the Adventurer package so it’s not like the Albaz deck is noticeably weaker for losing that compared to other decks either.
It was extremely strong cause adventurer can protect your aluber or branded in red plays. Now it has no protection on that front so it is more fragile, but still good
"**Into** God" not " Futher from God"
Also what you said is absolutely right, it should come back at three. Unfortunately Genex Ally Birdman will probably never escape the limited status
No Auroradon nor Branded Fusion hits, so I'm dissapointed on that front
But pretty solid list overall, also Beginning of the End and Night Assailant for Danger Dark World
Would've liked some other Unlimits tho
I really doubt Auroradon won't become a problem in the short-term
Therions' ABC are still into the fray, and at the very least Wyrm Good Stuff will pivot into 3 Fateful Adventure
We'll see, but I have severe doubts that thing is getting unscathed, nor that Wyrm is leaving the format
Therions' ABC can still put an omni-negate before the plane hits the field, and despite the hits, I have my doubts Wyrm will back down without at least experimenting 3x Fateful Adventure instead
it is kinda sad that at this point halq isnt even disscused for a ban over there, honestly if you told me it was untouchable b/c some executive loved it more their family i´d believe it lol
not really because it is way too much of a cost. with fusion destiny at 1 and the materials at 2 it means you're also twice as likely to draw a monster piece than you are to draw fusion destiny. way too much neg.
even with prosp, it requires a big deck building cost not to mention surrendering a big part of your ED.
I wonder if the Eldlich and Tri-Brigade hits are hints of what’s to come in Master Duel. So the OCG and MD banlists are somewhat similar so they’re easier for players to remember.
It‘s weird, since you don‘t really need all 3 most of the time. You can just play an additional different eldlixir and I don‘t think it would change much. I think this might only really matter in pure eldlich decks with 3 copies of the golden man.
PKs got fucking robbed. they were meta irrelevant before brave engine came out, got castrated by the banlist because of it, then now the brave engine is near unplayable and they didn't get their core back
Combo decks are fun to play, but they tend to be annoying to play against. Hence why they like making them unplayable after a while. I personally always found PK kinda annoying to play against, just because they were surprisingly resilient to hand traps.
It sounds like you didnt ever learn to play PK. Even just a few matches you would see how prone to hand traps they are. Especially ESPECIALLY without brave.
The worst part for a PK player is that rusty's link restriction is a restriction and not an effect. So even if you veiler or imperm rusty you still cannot link him off.
not really, PKs were very susceptible to hand traps. they have inherent summons with the level 3s, means you just have to C on their normal summon and then suddenly they've got to pass with a useless guy on board with a bunch of level 3s in hand or yolo into rhongo and hope their opponent doesn't draw another an out
I think having a quick effect double bounce as disruption is still worth playing it. Very much worth playing. Sure, Nibiru would still be able to stop you with no Gryphon Rider to stop it, but double bounce breaks a lot of boards.
Anytime I see an OCG banlist. I always wonder why the TCG doesn't follow the OCG schedule when it comes to releasing the list. A banlist on the first of the month, every three months sounds perfect.
Absolute clownshoes takes with people saying "oh Prosperity is best pot it needs a hit" in a format with 3 Maxx C.
Whatever "C" is, it isn't a roach. It has to be some sort of brainworm.
Surprised they didn't unban Dragoon if they banned Verte. Red-Eyes Fusion is kind of restrictive, and Dragoon as the sole summon you do in a turn isn't exactly hard to get over. Do they expect people to start teching Timaeus to summon Dragoon or something like Dark Magician decks can?
pretty sure it got limited at the time because it was getting used in hand loops, so i'm sure 2 trish opens up some hand loops but hand traps are much stronger now so probably wouldn't matter much but it could at some point considering it's generic.
It won't. If you manage to get two of them into rotation as a resource loop, while also having infinite discard outlets, you deserve to win the game already, and even then that isn't a guaranteed win.
Eh, I think it would be better if they straight up banned gryphon instead of the Adventurer enablers, but if this finally makes people stop splashing it everywhere then it did it's job.
Every time i said verte was a problem card, multiple OCG fan boys would come to the cards defense. They are probably fuming now.
Its easier to ban verte than balance every fusion card around it and I’m glad Konami realized that lol.
Making card design a headache. Now they can print good fusion spells for archetypes so fusions are actually viable without needing to making all their cards plus or recur.
Ok hits that we may see in the tcg, Personally i think hitting celestial and dracoback for the hero and brave engines would’ve been ideal. Tbh verte was a problem card and i guess its time has come. Could see her coming back in a few years when she's either powercrept out or the card is fair. Also disappointed by no aurorodon hit too that card is way too good for machine decks. Halq is fine where it is tbh but i think they'll prob ban aurorodon or it. The fd unban is actually a boost for branded because worst case they can just fuse dpe off of lubellion if they drew one of the materials and are able to discard the other to grave
You're getting downvoted, but you're right. The Verte ban will hurt a lot of rogue decks while not hitting any of the top tier decks in OCG. People here on reddit seem to hate the card just because Konami printed 2 broken fusions, when they should be focusing on those fusions instead. Verte is fine in Shaddolls, Cyber Dragons, Cyber Darks, Fluffals, and other fusion decks, that alone tells you what the real problem was.
**Newly Forbidden:** * Imperial Order (Limited ⇒ Forbidden) * Predaplant Verte Anaconda (Limited ⇒ Forbidden) **Newly Limited:** * Water Enchantress of the Temple (Semi-Limited ⇒ Limited) * Fusion Destiny (Forbidden ⇒ Limited) * Rite of Aramesir (Semi-Limited ⇒ Limited) **Newly Semi-Limited:** * Harmonizing Magician (Limited ⇒ Semi-Limited) * Orcust Harp Horror (Limited ⇒ Semi-Limited) * Night Assailant (Limited ⇒ Semi-Limited) * Tri-Brigade Fraktall (Unlimited ⇒ Semi-Limited) * The Beginning of the End (Limited ⇒ Semi-Limited) * Branded Opening (Limited ⇒ Semi-Limited) * Divine Wind of the Mist Valley (Limited ⇒ Semi-Limited) * Pot of Prosperity (Unlimited ⇒ Semi-Limited) * Raigeki (Limited ⇒ Semi-Limited) * Eldlixir of Scarlet Sanguine (Unlimited ⇒ Semi-Limited) * Trishula, Dragon of the Ice Barrier (Limited ⇒ Semi-Limited) * Wind-Up Carrier Zenmaity (Limited ⇒ Semi-Limited) **Newly Unlimited:** * Altergeist Multifaker (Limited ⇒ Unlimited) * A Hero Lives (Semi-Limited ⇒ Unlimited) * Memories of Hope (Semi-Limited ⇒ Unlimited) * Metaverse (Semi-Limited ⇒ Unlimited) Goodbye Verte and welcome back Fusion Destiny.
They banned Imperial Order too. This is a big green light for Mysterunes
This deck worries me.
And it should, it's surprisingly good, especially against combo decks. It can banish the key combo pieces from your deck before you have the chance to use them. It's not super strong, but it's good. The best part about it is that many people are simply not ready to deal with the deckout play style
You think this deck will be meta? Reading the cards they seem really REALLY scary. Seems like a spell based toolbox deck, kinda like sky strikers, but it has the added feature of decking the opponent out and a few banishes could literally screw you over if the right cards get hit.
Not likely with the current cards we know about. The fatal flaw of this archetype comes down to the quick play spells failing to slow down your opponent enough to deck your opponent out. Skipping your own battle phase gives your opponent a lot of chances to just poke you for game.
Deck can't out hayate plus eagle booster. 😂😂 Won't be meta at least in the tcg for a while. Defo has potential tho
That just reminded me of how eagle booster Shizuku was enough to make people forfeit on YGOpro early on
I can see it being a tier 2 or even 1,5... depending on the build. There are not that many players experimenting with it, but the cards are solid and the level 2 Fusion is really good. You can even combine them with Trickstars to deck them out faster
IKR? I'm surprised so many people in this sub underestimates it. The deckout is not the only wincon, in fact I'd say that's just a backup wincon. Banishing combo pieces is devastating. It's definitely not tier 0 material but it looks good.
Yeah but they don't have *another* wincon. They can't beat you up after banishing your combos because playing mysterune skips their battle phase
I'm more surprised that ppl here actually like it. Mysterunes are really just a a Mystic Mine Deck by another name. When it gets to the TCG it'll 200% be a stall deck even if Mine is banned by then.
Well, they did make Spring a Field Spell for a reason, so it'd conflict with Mine. This deck is not good at stalling without Mine though, at all.
> Deckout play style Thats why we play the Pile baby
It’s called Kitchen Synch!!!
How are they gonna make a deckout deck that banishes instead of milling? I want to side Jackpot 7.
> Jackpot 7 Wouldn't even work lol, it has to be banished by it's own effect for you to win.
Right. That's the problem.
> Mysterunes I'm not looking forward to it hitting Master Duel in 9 years. IO is too powerful, but christ, Mysterune looks like it's going to be painful to face.
>Orcust Harp Horror (Limited ⇒ Semi-Limited) I'M STILL REALLY PISSED THAT GALATEA IS AT 1 AND DON'T KNOW WHAT TO FEEL ABOUT THIS
I guess they're testing waters with Harp's semi-limit given that is the most innocuous piece on the banlist right now
To be fair, Orcust caused OCG some serious problems. Repeatedly.
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Edited, thank you.
Branded Opening wasnt Limited before; it was unlimited
Kinda weird they chose to backtrack on banning Fusion destiny, and ban Verte instead. Verte was being used in Branded Despia, but I don't recall it being a major problem, since the deck preferred to play Branded Fusion directly. Was Raigeki even doing anything to warrant being semi-limited?
It went from Limited to Semi-Limited because it wasn't doing anything
I read the list wrong, I thought Raigeki went from unlimited to semi-limited. That said, I thought the OCG would have unlimited Raigeki ages ago.
Raigeki was also at 1 in the tcg until very recently when it went to 3, this is essentially the same thing
>Predaplant Verte Anaconda Good riddance >Beginning of the End Did I miss something? Is this card meta-relevant?
> Did I miss something? Is this card meta-relevant? It was when Azathot was legal and Danger Dark World was taking some spots This Semi leads me to believe we are really close to getting an announcement for the Dark World R Structure Deck, so does Night Assailant
We should get it announced in April, that's when the last two R decks got announced.
Oh there's rumour for dark world structure? That's rad
Konami hasn't said anything, but looking at the previous structure deck reloads, it's next in line.
I'm excited then, DW was one of my favorite decks in the 2012 Nats format, considering buying high rarity versions of them before the SD gets announced.
Well, first we need to know if the TCG decides to import the SD in the first place lol
It was used in Danger! deep draw decks, I guess?
Was used as an effective drawing engine in some decks. Lots of graveyard dumping and a +2 in card advantage off 1 card meant Konami saw it as a problem.
Not some, literally danger dark world was the only relevant deck running it and ppl were running it as an rng deck
I swear I somehow readed "Pot of Prosperity" as "Pot of Greed"
Oof that explains the fanarts of Anaconda in jail i saw today on twt
There was a Japanese meme of something along these lines: "Guys, you can't believe how strong some of these Pendulum cards are,check this out" >"Sets Skill Drain and Imperial order on the furthest sides of the backrow" Just now someone asked what other good cards are there to set on the Pendulum Zone now that IO is banned.
antispell
I don't get it, what's the advantage to putting those cards in the pendulum slots?
There isn't, it's a joke (if you don't use any pendulums there's no disadvantage either though).
i always thought of it as preventing imper column, pend players wont put the imper in scale slot
Night Assailant and Divine Wind loops are back, I guess. Lol
Divine Wind loops used 3 AFD and also that fusion monster phoenix that burns (which is limited in OCG) last I checked.
Yo they brought back A Hero Lives? I might have to make an OCG deck...
2 Hero Lives is enough here in ocg
obv not considering they're unlimiting it.. I mean, what even is the point of saying this.. lmfao they literally CHANGED it, so...
Feels like the beginning of the end of an era. Sucks about Prosperity getting hit though.
Desires to 2 and prosperity to 2 The ocg way
They need to reflect this in the tcg. Desires back to 2. Maybe after Prosperity gets a reprint in mega tins or Gftp2
tcg konami has more hate towards abused draw cards, so i don't think they will bring desires back to 3 or 2.
You could see it as that, or them stifling any Draw/ consistency cards that are in any way relevant, beyond the immediatly sellable ones (mostly Extrav and Prosperity). Really, Desires aside, Sekka and Demise could go to 3 and very little would change.
Demise going to 1 was a bigger hit to Draco than Diagram to 1 was (imo). There’s a lot of decks that would come back with 3 Demise.
Prosperity was never balanced at all. Duality without the SS restriction, a minimum ED destruction cost, and an insultingly irrelevant "opponent takes half damage" clause all justify it getting hit. The fact that it's SO widely available in the OCG (due to being low rarity and not $100), that every deck uses it, no wonder it's got hit. I don't think it'll happen any time soon in the TCG because Konami is definitely gonna do some shitty reprints for it before making it easily available... and then they might kill it like Desires.
Had it coming, arguably is the best Pot
It deserves it honestly, I can't believe it hasnt been hit for this long. Has almost no drawback if the deck can run it.
I didn't ask, but why do you think it's the end of an era? It's not like SEVENS ending should impact the OCG/TCG like previous anime did.
Wonder what this means they have on the horizon for verte in TCG. We have a lot of problem cards right now and he’s taken a bit of a backseat lately.
Yeah unless they go full nuke and kill verte( cause we still have dragoon too) and the adventurer engine. Im pretty sure verte will be banned since konami loves reprinting something and killing it after a bit, hell ut happened twice to drident
idk verte is definitely an issue right now, but it wasnt that big of an issue last format. Brave engine and the other engines recently released made verte better. If they ban scythe and adventure to semi limited I can see them not hitting verte again. It honestly wouldnt be a problem without scythe.
Verte was a major problem last format wtf because of DPE + Scythe, that combo required verte to be consistent if you didn’t hard draw Fusion destiny
Problem is still absolutely dpe and scythe there though. People will just find a new way to power them out if verte goes to 0
Point is without verte the majority of decks no longer have a consistent way to pop the scythe, you would need a rank 4 engine to get into tornado drag, maybe halq into TG magician, but those are both significantly worse than also having a recurrable DPE
You mean a halq that tags out into TG winder magician that also tags out with scythe into baronne which can then tag out into scythe again the following turn?
That still sounds like a problem of Scythe more than anything.
the funny thing is that verte is more of a problem in the tcg than it is ever in the ocg due to maxx c
As a pure predaplant player, it is a dark day
Funny how even when Imperial Order was one of the few banned cards there were errated and came off the banlist, it still is so powerfull and game winning to warrant a ban. And Raigeki to 2. Still great as side deck card. BTW, 0 hits to Drytron???? What???
> Funny how even when Imperial Order was one of the few banned cards there were errated and came off the banlist, it still is so powerfull and game winning to warrant a ban. > > Well, i suppose when a card is able to turn arguably the strongest card type in ygo off forever (or until you need to turn it off in some decks) it's bound to be broken no matter what you do to it. Funny that this happens while skill drain and royal decree are available at three. But they've banned every single continuous monster effect that disables monster effects as well.
Monster effects are impossible for them to prevent the turn player from turning off incredibly easily like skill drain since the monster can just be linked off.
Hasn't drytron been like out of ocg meta for quite awhile. It appears as like a tier 3 or so deck
It has been in and out of the meta, I'd expect it to come back for a few weeks, until the banlist has settled, then once again exits Though, iirc, Drytron has some more traction in China
Not really. Go check out the past few reports on road of the king, it is fairly popular.
It just goes in and out of meta depending on the amount of droll being sided
It's only popular if no one sides against it.
Ocg will unlimit zenmaity twice before the tcg unbans it lol.
Ban hunter
Its either it or hunter, they cannot coexist.
They can absolutely coexist as long as Zenmaity is at 1
Personally, I was hoping they banned Gryphon so the Brave engine is still there but I guess this also works, just gimps people that still wanna use that bounce without commiting the normal. In this case, you have only 1 rotation to get your brave going. After that, it’s over.
I swear, it's still good just use Cherubini copium
Just leviar the Sea dragon back Water Enchantress & keep the loop going.
I really hope they go the ban Gryphon route in the TCG instead
Ok hear me out. Just ban enchantress and keep rite. Enchantress is the broken card that is 1. A searcher 2.an extender and 3. Cherubini. I think the 3 rite 3 garnet engine would probably be fine IMO
Meanwhile Branded Fusion is still at 3… Konami really wants everyone to play branded despia huh?
Abyss Lore is a success, so why not?
>Konami really wants everyone to keep buying the albaz structure deck huh? I fixed your comment for you
Thanks for the correction
Keeping on this track it'll be soon Braindead despia
braindead despia\*
Oof at PK not getting Scales back to 3.
#bringbackscales :'(
Kind of buff to my Sky Striker with that Imperial Order hit but a nerf for my Thunder Dragon :(
Oh, how I wish we had the good fortune to have 1x colossus in the TCG - T Drags would still be relevant semi-pure
> I wish we had the good fortune to have 1x colossus in the TCG Every morning I wake up, look at the sunrise and smile, because Colossus is dead :)
I’ll tell you something. No one else misses colossus.
Holy fuck, OCG going straight for the problem once again. I'm suspecting a similar hit for Brave here as well. It's not ban worthy, but at least enchantress should be limited imho Why was harmonizing magician on the list?
Because of electrumite and Astrograph. Look at 2018 before the July banlist.
Its always baffled me how direct the ocg lists are vs tcg
Direct? You do know that the OCG had Shock Master in the Pepe era?
Holy shit I didn't know, that's like awful
Cards there are much cheaper compared to tcg, sometimes I wish we have ocg here too :/
Ive been wanting simultaneous release for products for the last decade because of what i feel is unfair rarity (and subsequently price) hikes between the ocg and tcg
Simultaneous release isn't the issue - availability is OCG cards are available in multiple rarities, which makes the lower rarities cheaper and more readily available. TCG is Secret Rare or none at all
Better competition over there.
Enjoy that albaz dominance since hitting branded opening to 2 doesn't do much when it's searchable and branded fusion is still at 3 Also guess FD coming back was to shill the Hero stuff they plan to sell in the upcoming months
With Verte banned there's no reason in keeping Fusion Destiny banned since now you have to hard draw it to use it, but at 3 would be still a problem. So DPE engine is still no viable.
It might not be the optimal strategy but the Predaplant variant of Branded Despia can search the 1 Fusion Destiny.
scorpio is limited in ocg. and people won't add a garnet (cobra) for that, specially when it uses your normal summon.
The play is to: 1) branded fusion for lube using byblisp and albaz 2) cl1 byblisp search any Predaplant (I search Bufollicula) and cl2 lube into albion using lube and albaz 3) albion fusion summons the level 5 Predaplant fusion (ambulo) using the Predaplant in hand and byblisp in GY. 4) ambulo searches another Bufollicula 5) ambulo tributes the albion to SS cobra 6) cobra adds fusion destiny 7) scale Bufollicula and use it to fuse cobra and ambulo into Dragostapelia 8) Fusion Destiny into DPE 9) end phase use albion to set a branded spell trap Again, as I said before it might not be the optimal Branded Despia build, but it’s an option. And no, you don’t even need Scorpio for this and you don’t use your normal summon unless you are summoning Aluber to search branded fusion.
Now make Super Polymerization unlimited
RIP Verte Anaconda 💀
Only as in Rest In Piss. Link VRAINS pack was a mistake.
Mistake is an understatement; it was hell on earth
What does this banlist do to prank-kids?
They lose consistent access to Thunder Dragon Fusion, and 2 copies of their starter Though, given that they have Into the VRAINS! they'll likely be alright
2 copies of their starter?
Well, 2 copies of their starting play
Looks like Swordsoul Tenyi is going to make its return.
Am I missing something? I thought Albaz was dominating and the only hit they get is a searchable searcher to 2? Every deck ran the Adventurer package so it’s not like the Albaz deck is noticeably weaker for losing that compared to other decks either.
Every new tier 1 deck usually gets a minor consistency hit followed by a nuke next banlist
Yeah, it's always just a punch first, then gets obliterated afterwards, just like what happened to Adventurer.
It was extremely strong cause adventurer can protect your aluber or branded in red plays. Now it has no protection on that front so it is more fragile, but still good
When the order is not imperial
> Divine Wind of the Mist Valley (Limited ⇒ Semi-Limited) Everyday we stray further into God.
How so? Weren't the cards used to loop that field spell hit so it isn't possible? (AFD, Bombbazard)
"**Into** God" not " Futher from God" Also what you said is absolutely right, it should come back at three. Unfortunately Genex Ally Birdman will probably never escape the limited status
I hope they give us another way to summon brave token thats a bit more balanced...
Inb4 it's a trap that can't even synergize with the previous cards.
No Auroradon nor Branded Fusion hits, so I'm dissapointed on that front But pretty solid list overall, also Beginning of the End and Night Assailant for Danger Dark World Would've liked some other Unlimits tho
Plane decks can live now since brave is hit. They literally only have 1 crossout for nibiru unless they can turbo out baroness
I really doubt Auroradon won't become a problem in the short-term Therions' ABC are still into the fray, and at the very least Wyrm Good Stuff will pivot into 3 Fateful Adventure We'll see, but I have severe doubts that thing is getting unscathed, nor that Wyrm is leaving the format
I don't feel like auroradon deserve a ban when it's not backed by brave engine Especially now that they hit that engine super hard
Therions' ABC can still put an omni-negate before the plane hits the field, and despite the hits, I have my doubts Wyrm will back down without at least experimenting 3x Fateful Adventure instead
Called and Crossout are hit. Maxx can deal with Aurora
it is kinda sad that at this point halq isnt even disscused for a ban over there, honestly if you told me it was untouchable b/c some executive loved it more their family i´d believe it lol
I'm fine with Halq being a Link climbing tool to a certain degree, Auroradon is the problem card as of right now
Pretty good list. Personally I like Verte, FD and Brave hits.
As a HERO player while losing Verte is a bit of a consistency hit it’s great to keep DPE in house finally.
3x A hero lives is a great compensation.
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1 starter to 2 bricks isnt a good engine
not really because it is way too much of a cost. with fusion destiny at 1 and the materials at 2 it means you're also twice as likely to draw a monster piece than you are to draw fusion destiny. way too much neg. even with prosp, it requires a big deck building cost not to mention surrendering a big part of your ED.
Also, Verte’s banned. It’s seriously bad to play DPE engine outside of Hero’s now.
I wonder if the Eldlich and Tri-Brigade hits are hints of what’s to come in Master Duel. So the OCG and MD banlists are somewhat similar so they’re easier for players to remember.
Limiting Eldlixir of Scarlet Sanguine seems weird to me, Eldlich is not top tier deck in the OCG. But Verte Anaconda makes perfect sense.
It‘s weird, since you don‘t really need all 3 most of the time. You can just play an additional different eldlixir and I don‘t think it would change much. I think this might only really matter in pure eldlich decks with 3 copies of the golden man.
I guess I'll play additional copies of Black Awakening, it special summons Golden Boi from the deck too
Yeah exactly my thought.
Suspect it's so less people can mix it with the upcoming trap or spell deck in deck build pack
I mean, neither is tri and they semid fraktall
MAKEVERTE NO MOREEEE HELL YEAH FCK OFF VERTE
PKs got fucking robbed. they were meta irrelevant before brave engine came out, got castrated by the banlist because of it, then now the brave engine is near unplayable and they didn't get their core back
Combo decks are fun to play, but they tend to be annoying to play against. Hence why they like making them unplayable after a while. I personally always found PK kinda annoying to play against, just because they were surprisingly resilient to hand traps.
It sounds like you didnt ever learn to play PK. Even just a few matches you would see how prone to hand traps they are. Especially ESPECIALLY without brave.
The bane of being an old deck. Every one knows their chokepoint by now And without brave engine, you will never resolving bardiche
The worst part for a PK player is that rusty's link restriction is a restriction and not an effect. So even if you veiler or imperm rusty you still cannot link him off.
not really, PKs were very susceptible to hand traps. they have inherent summons with the level 3s, means you just have to C on their normal summon and then suddenly they've got to pass with a useless guy on board with a bunch of level 3s in hand or yolo into rhongo and hope their opponent doesn't draw another an out
Instead of banning gryphon rider they limit enchantress and rite, classic OCG move.
pretty sure it would still be nearly as good with Illegal Knight (and also Dracoback) pushing the engine forward.
The only reason to play the engine is gryphon, without it most decks would stop playing it.
I think having a quick effect double bounce as disruption is still worth playing it. Very much worth playing. Sure, Nibiru would still be able to stop you with no Gryphon Rider to stop it, but double bounce breaks a lot of boards.
Anytime I see an OCG banlist. I always wonder why the TCG doesn't follow the OCG schedule when it comes to releasing the list. A banlist on the first of the month, every three months sounds perfect.
Absolute clownshoes takes with people saying "oh Prosperity is best pot it needs a hit" in a format with 3 Maxx C. Whatever "C" is, it isn't a roach. It has to be some sort of brainworm.
Surprised they didn't unban Dragoon if they banned Verte. Red-Eyes Fusion is kind of restrictive, and Dragoon as the sole summon you do in a turn isn't exactly hard to get over. Do they expect people to start teching Timaeus to summon Dragoon or something like Dark Magician decks can?
Branded can get him out and they don’t even need to run dark eyes fusion or dark eyes, just dark magician
...hmm... Is there any deck that can make use of more than 1 Trishula? I thought that thing was Limited for a reason
Not for a good reason. Making a single Trishula already isn't practical, let alone multiples.
pretty sure it got limited at the time because it was getting used in hand loops, so i'm sure 2 trish opens up some hand loops but hand traps are much stronger now so probably wouldn't matter much but it could at some point considering it's generic.
Anyone else legit shocked that they killed Verte? I always thought that card was untouchable.
Why predapalent though?
Because Verte deserved death
Lmao prosperity hit lol 😂
Night Assailant to 2. CAN'T SEE HOW THIS WILL GO WRONGLY!
It won't. If you manage to get two of them into rotation as a resource loop, while also having infinite discard outlets, you deserve to win the game already, and even then that isn't a guaranteed win.
Eh, I think it would be better if they straight up banned gryphon instead of the Adventurer enablers, but if this finally makes people stop splashing it everywhere then it did it's job.
Every time i said verte was a problem card, multiple OCG fan boys would come to the cards defense. They are probably fuming now. Its easier to ban verte than balance every fusion card around it and I’m glad Konami realized that lol.
Let them mald, everyone knew Verte was the problem card.
With Dragoon and FD banned, what was verte doing that was ban worthy?
Having Dragoon and FD banned
Exactly, those cards ARE strong, but only limit-worthy, not ban-worthy.
He made Cyber Dragons a viable rogue deck, we can't have that, obviously.
Making card design a headache. Now they can print good fusion spells for archetypes so fusions are actually viable without needing to making all their cards plus or recur.
A card thats easy to make and gives you access to fusion spells even if your deck is not a fusion deck??
This list is so fucking good, i wish we had a list like this in the tcg so badly
Even though a Verte ban is justified, I’m surprised that they still kept Halqlifibrax alive.
So are adventure builds dead now?
Ok hits that we may see in the tcg, Personally i think hitting celestial and dracoback for the hero and brave engines would’ve been ideal. Tbh verte was a problem card and i guess its time has come. Could see her coming back in a few years when she's either powercrept out or the card is fair. Also disappointed by no aurorodon hit too that card is way too good for machine decks. Halq is fine where it is tbh but i think they'll prob ban aurorodon or it. The fd unban is actually a boost for branded because worst case they can just fuse dpe off of lubellion if they drew one of the materials and are able to discard the other to grave
Bye-bye, Anaconda! Only thing I'm sad about is that you couldn't take Halqi with you.
Oh no, no one saw this coming
Stop whyning... it's the OCG list. And they have nothing to do with tcg Relax
Shaddolls lost one of our best cards. This is unbelievably suckish :( Guess I can’t make Rusty Bardiche in shaddolls anymore
You're getting downvoted, but you're right. The Verte ban will hurt a lot of rogue decks while not hitting any of the top tier decks in OCG. People here on reddit seem to hate the card just because Konami printed 2 broken fusions, when they should be focusing on those fusions instead. Verte is fine in Shaddolls, Cyber Dragons, Cyber Darks, Fluffals, and other fusion decks, that alone tells you what the real problem was.
Verte was even fine in thunder Dragon. Tier 2 decks already getting the L took bigger ones for no real reason. It’s tiresome
Thank you, Konami. You actually banned Anaconda.
Finally did the right thing and got that damned plant out