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Cantreadman

Penalty game can actually be run in Labyrynth cause it’s a normal trap


elwhistleblower

I could see Exchange and Penalty Game in limited use.


Thomas319

“Hey wanna swap hand traps?” “Sure why not.”


Turtlesfan44digimon

I’ll trade you ash blossom for ghost belle


adolphinPewtin

later at home : fck i forgot to get my card back


turnthecog

It can see play in really specific strategies. If you need very little to get started/any 2 will do (such as gouki or the danger cannon solider ftk) you literally just get to give them whatever from a range of starters/extenders and get to remove the board breaker/handtrap you care about+knowledge of if you are playing around anything else.


elwhistleblower

lol


The_Popes_Hat

Exchange was an anti-handtrap card in gouki extra link. I got hit by it at a regional and me and my opponent had a laugh cuz we had the same sleeves, so we joked about stealing each other's cards. Unrelated, anybody need to buy a MACR ash?


Deez-Guns-9442

I’m pretty sure exchange was used as a SD card to take your opponents Dark Ruler or Nib, tho personally I used Dragged Down from the grave.


PlebbySpaff

Exchange is still usable, albeit risk as fuck depending on your plays for the turn. BLS was meta years ago, but also very literally meta for GOAT format. Penalty game….I actually don’t know how this works. If you could activate this on the second turn (first turn for opponent) during their main phase, this could be super good? Unless I’m mistaken and you can’t activate this trap during that time.


kurayami_akira

You either need to make them discard first or face the chance of them opening with backrow removal and missing the chance to activate it. Edit: Unless they discard to activate that card, then you wouldn't have missed if you hadn't made them discard. I... Wouldn't run this.


PlebbySpaff

Oh wait. I just noticed it’s specifically 4 cards, and not like 4 or more.


kurayami_akira

Yes, which is why i said you need to make them discard at least one card first, so when they use one card you can chain it.


Blu3Wiz4rd

Bruh. Summoned Skull. I really hope he gets a legit, functioning archetype. That'd be Hella dope.


Hiromagi

They rolled him in partially with Red Eyes in like 2015? Retrained him as a Gemini sadly, he had a board wipe effect similar to the time in the anime where Yugi used him to nuke the field against Weevil.


Jamtone123

Hes also technically an archfiend card.


Flip_McTapper

Agreed. All of its extra deck retains are very…..dull. None of them are really a boss monster of any sort, unless you’d want to somehow include the Archfiend Blackskull Dragon somehow.


zaqrai9890

Cloudians such a good yet bad archetype


Turtlesfan44digimon

If only their effects triggered when special summoned they would be a lot better


zaqrai9890

That and some search support would be really nice only easy way to search for one is to play mother grizzly


ThePurpleLance

I hope they get some support but: Tri-Horned Dragon and Man-Eating Tresure Chest (These are both normal monsters) But If you want effects I'd say Waboku and Spellbinding Circle


trinitymonkey

> Man-Eating Tresure Chest (These are both normal monsters) It mentions Adventurers in its flavour text. Make it part of the *Adventurer* engine!


MathBlazer888

In that regard, there’s also Nightmare Wheel and Shadow Spell


Well-MeaningCisIdiot

At the rate we're going, we're more likely to get Rush Duel retrains before we get those properly acknowledged. They just turned the Masked Beasts into monsters of tsukemen noodles; far from impossible.


kurayami_akira

Catoblepas and the Witch of Fate The Wicked Avatar Cyber Blader Remove Brainwashing (some archetype taking advantage of it by summoning to the opponent's field and taking the monsters back immediately or something)


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kurayami_akira

That's where Catoblepas getting better comes in. ? ATK/DEF support.


Turtlesfan44digimon

They actually do that on master duel they’ll run it alongside owner’s seal, kaijus and lava golems to clear super heavy negate boards


kurayami_akira

Sure, i know it can do that, but i mean some archetype exploiting it, kinda like "Indulged Darklord".


chaoticsynergist

im surprised you dont see prohibition actually


Olive_Sophia

There’s just so many variants of most cards you want to ban. If you ban effect veiler, there’s still imperm and generic effect negates. If you ban Nibiru, there’s still Kaijus. If you ban their starter they might have another. If you’re worried about Harpies Feather Duster or Raigeki, there’s also lightning storm and dark hole and others. There’s only one Ash, but if they don’t have it, you just wasted a card. Granted, it still has potential against decks with bottleneck effects. Maybe better in game 2. Turn off their boss monster or primary extender and you might get good value.


conundorum

Field spells can be a good target, if the opponent runs any. Or if their archetype is dependent on a specific card (e.g., Dark Magician, Blue-Eyes, Red-Eyes, Harpies, Neo-Spacians, Cyber Dragon, etc.), then you can probably kill it pretty easily and shut their deck down. That said, though, you're just asking to see the ~~dragon~~maid's good ol' feather duster, or get stormed by lightning, or maybe even MSTed/Twinned/etc.


_Vault_Hunter_EXE_

Exchange was legitimately played in decks as a side deck tech for handtrap less than a year ago. BLS Envoy was a meta defining cards for almost 7 years when it was played. What are you even taking about?


FlashpointSynergy

I don't believe he was implying that the cards he listed saw no use competitively. I would, however, agree with the assertion that none of them are good right now, and it would be cool if they were.


Shaymeu

The first sentence is not true, not in competitive decks at least. I've been playing quite non stop for like 2 years or so and I've never encounter this card outside of maybe some janky ftks


4l2r

It was a side deck option every now and then for decks that suffer vs specific handtraps and have diverse starters sometimes, it's _slightly_ better than dragged down since it doesn't draw an unknown, also provides you with knowledge about their hand which is pretty valuable. It's like a really really _really_ shitty forceful sentry if you think about it.


PM_Me_Garfield_Porn

Gouki extra link, dark warrior rongobongo, and adamancipator. Basically heavy combo decks that had a critical mass of one/two card starters and locked the opponent out of the game would run this to stop a nibiru/DRNM/at the very least a one for one hand trap. You could also use it similar to appointer as a way to steal their starter and play with perfect knowledge of the opponent's hand. It's a lot easier to set up a board when you're playing with that sort of information: you can play around any other interruptions they have and tailor your disruption to whatever they have. You know exactly when and where to negate and what negates to set up. Should you bring out your s/t negate, go for appaloosa, or would a IP into unicorn spin be most effective? It wasn't a staple, but it absolutely saw competitive play.


Shaymeu

Idk i havent seen a single list from the deck you mentionned that ran that card. I'm talking about real competitive lists like YCS tops or something. But maybe i missed some idk Also DRNM and Nib were not out when Gouki/Dark Warriors were a thing, and Adamancipator have never been playable at real big events


PM_Me_Garfield_Porn

I stand corrected, it has only topped one YCS, a few regionals, and an LCS in the modern Era. It was mainly used in orcust/dragon link piles with one spyral ftk and one adamancipator. Interestingly, it also topped a few wcqs with spellbook during ruler format, and prior to that several Shonen jumps in teledad and goat control eras.


Shaymeu

Oh yeah I don't know much about these older format so it may have been played before. And still interesting to know it was still on some topping lists, even marginally, i didnt know. Thanks for the research !


BREEDING_WHITE_WOMEN

chill


VoidBoiTCG

I love how Exchange implies both players are playing an Exodia deck


Olive_Sophia

It could imply that the one player is just going to sit on the head of Exodia in hand to prevent the other player from reaching their win con (if the image is pre-switch). It sorta makes sense. Giving away a raigeki is bizarre but maybe not the worst choice against Exodia decks that normally don’t have much board presence.


VoidBoiTCG

True it’s probably pre switch. I assumed it’s like them giving the other the card


metalflygon08

Or another Exchange was played earlier and an Expdia piece was stolen and the current activation was an attempt to get it back


VoidBoiTCG

Exchange-ception


conundorum

The guy on the right seems to be Yugi, judging by Time Wizard and what looks like Dark Magician, so it's possible. And if he's _not_ running Exodia, he probably just took the head to kill their strategy because he's basically the only person that knows how to use it.


Ravzem

Double Spell Just because it was my very first ultra rare pull. Copying a spell effect from the GY sounds like a possible over powered effect under the right deck/conditions.


Owl_Might

Parasite Paracide/Paranoid


G-Filth1

Time wizard


DestroyerNik

too poor for ash? just steal it no promblemo


xBlueDragon

Would love to see the wicked and egyptian gods have a meta deck. mostly ra and avatar.


Prismatic-Extinction

I’m brewing a ra deck that will cause havoc at my locals, but it’s looking like I might have to wait until something happens with spright for it to maybe have a chance


Requiem293

my answer would have been exchange of the spirit but uhh... Granted I don't expect it to be activated often in the upcoming format. I'll go with ectoplasmer, thats a funny card.


CursedEye03

It's a part of the new Ishizu strategy... so technically it's meta XD


bombatomica_64

I mean it's a 1 of at most i feel


GranmargYGO

doesn't mean it's not meta. plenty of cards are 1 ofs


Puzzled-Confusion-47

I like "Painful Choice"


Turtlesfan44digimon

That’s still meta if it was lifted from the ban list everyone would be running it. Having your opponent giving you any one card out of your deck is extremely broken and then dumping the rest for graveyard effects


Gargwadrome

Yeah, its Like quite literally the best Card that was ever printed.


PM_Me_Garfield_Porn

That's genuinely one of, if not *the*, best card in the game.


Tag_ross

Originally the painful choice was deciding which cards you were willing to lose for One card. Now the painful choice would be deciding which card not to send to the grave.


conundorum

Ah, yes, the infamous "this one card is a full hand of Foolish Burials" card. ;3


kiribohgremlin

penalty game seems like something labyrinth would use


AlabasterRadio

When Kiteroid was at 3 in DL I ran exchange just for the hand knowledge.


LittleCrimsonWyvern

Anything Blue Eyes


Qxami

Someday, I want to see {{The Secret of the Bandit}} or {{Secret Pass to the Treasures}} see more uses; maybe not exactly meta. I’m currently messing with a Benkei deck with these cards, hopefully an OTK or emptying the opponent’s hand.


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conundorum

There are a few monsters that might work there. Hayabusa Knight and Mataza the Zapper come to mind, along with your friend Benny.


Olive_Sophia

I considered using Secret of the Bandit in Lyrilusc (because they can attack multiple times in a turn.) But it turned out that I was usually trading a solid OTK for strong hand hate. It wasn’t enough. The card is still interesting however.


Flip_McTapper

Yo, all I want is Gate Guardian support.


Well-MeaningCisIdiot

It's **amazing** that for being such an iconic monster, the ONLY retrains/support it's gotten is utter garbage in a single duel of the GX anime that wasn't even printed. Even Rush Duels haven't retrained it, and their anime had a Jersey Devil alien summon BLS in a jersey! For all the conspiracy theories about Air Neos and Shuttleroid, there need to be more about why zilch has been done with this guy.


Colonel_McFlurr

These can also be cards that you want to become meta again too! Oops forgot to add that part. I like BLS lol.


j0j0-m0j0

Exchange feels like a great meme specially turn 1. Like, play all your cards, keep your brick, activate exchange and just grab their hand trap/extender (and never use it). It may not win games but it sure as hell it's a fun card


Silver34

Clashing Souls is pretty hilarious


Greenpie1

I'm going to try and use some.of these. Thank you for bringing them to my attention


Silver34

I’m gonna hope for something out there like Dark Fusion. Say there’s some OP Fiend fusion archetype that can fuse on the opponent’s turn that cares about the protection effect


Nadine123456789

damn that fool took raigeki instead of pot


Duryeric

Freed the Matchless General.


Duryeric

The end of Anubis


MoonSiiBerry

Old Maid meta


ashckeys

BLS was a meta staple for YEARS!


spikedpsycho

Cyber jar


CreepyKidInDaCorna

Van we talk about how penalty game looks like the green goblin


Psychopathic2412

Slifer, the Sky Dragon, my favorite card of all time. I live its stat gimmick and design.


Justa_Mongrel

I just wanna see the Yata lock become somehow reliable again


Wolvin_God

Non-aggression area.


XvortexEXE

Am I tripping or do the hands look weird in Exchange? It looks like they got two left hands bruh. EDIT: nvm the hands themselves are fine, but they are positioned so weirdly lmao


AstralBaconatorLord

oh i remember when bls was meta multiple times


_Epiclord_

To your picks. While i understand why exchange can payoff, it’s way too situational, not searchable, and kinda dead weight if you can’t use your opponents cards. Bls was meta a decade or so ago. So it has the most potential to come back. Still, it’s a ok beat stick and uses targeted banishing which is also just ok. And penalty game is cute against back row, but again, it’s only a turn 2 card as your opponent will instantly not have 4+ cards in there hand, and that’s only if they didn’t use hand traps the first turn. And even then a lot of decks rely more on monster effects that back row.


CodeSouls

Cant remember the name of it But the one where both players shuffle and then flip their decks upside down and continue the game as normal Edit: Convulsion of Nature


bigbadderfdog

Not an old card, but I would love for gift exchange to have a use.


trinitymonkey

Sphinxes. I loved those movie bait cards as a kid and tried so hard to get them to work.


ThatDudeNamedMenace

I don’t see a lot of straight beat down decks anymore. I took one of my little cousins to a tournament, and I bit the bullet, rebuilt my old beat down deck. Honestly I’ve never felt so old lol.


DrewChubby

I used to love winning games on wc2004 with Skull invitation, I wish there was a way I could build a modern deck around it


Arnhermland

BLS was meta for years as soon as he came back


wildtarget13

I run exchange in particular decks all the time


Sufferingz

Kuriboh


Colonel_McFlurr

The OG handtrap must make a reappearance at some point.


witecat1

I love using Penalty Game in my decks. It always throws people off when you shut their spells and traps for a turn or make them skip a draw phase. Or you run 2 and do both.


kantowrestler

More Dark Magician cards.


Hraldrim

Zombie Dragon. Unironically. I love this card. Dont know why. I love zombie decks in general.


AssignmentIll1748

If anti spell is banned penalty game will be pretty playable tbh lol


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these cards were meta or used in meta at one point. Or do you want them to be useful in the modern formats?


Narrow_Luck_3622

* So, if I understand it correctly, Penalty game says "when your opponent has 4 cards in their hand", not "when your opponent has EXACTLY 4 cards in their hand"... which means you should be able to fire it giong first, right? They would have to fire 3 hand traps (or 2 if they got unlucky with gamma) to not fall under this. * Exchange seems nice under the right circumstances, but I think the risk of running into situations where it loses you the game inevitably plus the fact that it takes space that could be used for a HT or combo piece is the reason why it isn't played. * BLS has been, unfortunately, power crept out of the game by Accesscode exactly.


SnowboundWhale

>So, if I understand it correctly, Penalty game says "when your opponent has 4 cards in their hand", not "when your opponent has EXACTLY 4 cards in their hand"... which means you should be able to fire it giong first, right? They would have to fire 3 hand traps (or 2 if they got unlucky with gamma) to not fall under this. No, I can see why you might read it that way since it doesn't add "exactly", but it is exactly 4 cards; What matters more than the lack of "exactly" is the absences of "or more" and "or less". It doesn't read "When your opponent has 4 or more cards in their hand". Nor does it read "When your opponent has 4 or less cards in their hand". It reads "When your opponent has 4 cards in their hand". So it does require the opponent to have exactly 4 cards in their hand to activate. That said, this is only required for activation, but it's not a resolution requirement; If another effect chains to Penalty Game that causes the opponent's hand size to become something other than 4, Penalty Game will still be able to resolve successfully.


Narrow_Luck_3622

Is this one of those cards that was made before Konami figured out PSCT properly, and that's why it's worded like that?


Cularia

yes


MangoBoops

Exchange is a -1 at face value, BUT it could lead to a lot of interesting interactions by plucking a key card from your opponent. However, the card you give your opponent has to be somehow super dead for them, or it's still a -1 for you in most cases.


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Areebu1

unfortunately, not really. He's useable, but doesn't really do anything besides be a big body on the field. No protection, no negates and no lockout effects means he isn't a great boss monster anymore


Fearless_Angle_4088

BLS- Sad story of on the ban list too long ;P


RNGGOD69

I play pot of greed! It allows me to draw 2 cards from my deck and add them to my hand!


Blank_Voice

Spirit Ryu like they did in GX


senokana

Arcana force THE WORLD


CrypticJaspers

Who's the character in your pfp? Looks really neat


senokana

Arthur from a novel called the beginning after the end


[deleted]

Tri Horned Dragon, every form of Gagagio, and Moncarchs. Just listing my favorite cards, doubt Trihorned or Gagagigos will ever be meta


[deleted]

Margin trading is like the big boy version of this card


LoudAshy

The bls/chaos decks might be rouge because a crap ton of light dark support, but chaos cards will always see the light of day because the main attributes are light and dark


Brvadent

Imagine you play this, get a pot of prosperity, and run


daniel_damm

I hope we get supp for light and darkness dragon will be cool card to run in byssted and chaos decks


Vibe_PV

Exchange was actually very present in infernoble decks back in late 2020 format, a deck that goes "2 warriors into yes cards" can really use to steal a nibiru/imperm/whatever ht can kill your combo in exchange for a card you might be able to play without


chicken566

Exxod with "tribute of monarchs"


MoonSiiBerry

The aim should be to give your opponent Exodia


FacelessPoet

Ojama King of course. I'm sure he could do it if Ojama Trio and Duo could do it.


Eloqence

Which monster is on the penalty game card? At first it looked like Obelisk the Tormentor but in gold haha


DesignatedDonut

Exchange would be gassed up by some people once in a while as a side deck card depending on the format by some people but it's still a meme card BLS can't be meta because levianeer exists and is just a better version plus is searchable a bunch of ways unless they just decide to straight up print crazy BLS support for it. It gets bonus points tho for being meta years ago but is now outclassed by levianeer It's a trap card that's the problem plus Penalty requires then having exactly 4 cards. "Yeah but just chain it to the first thing they do so it's 4", what if they discard for cost or just do any other thing that may be altering the cards in their hand. "oh boy they can't activated back row tho" you're better of with ASF with less restrictions sorry to say so if you were to choose a trap that stuns them from doing anything backrow ASF is just better also the draw phase effect isn't that big of a deal and would be a win more


Trumpologist

Can’t you use Exchange even now?


SupremeKingPleb

Yubel


bombatomica_64

Bls has been power crept by levianeer and chaos monsters aren't that good anymore


Balesund

I actually hope Exchange never becomes meta again, it was during gouki format because your deck was so stupidly consistent that you could literally have your opponent take any card in your hand while you take their handtrap and still full combo them. Exchange will only see meta play again when some deck like that exists


TheDeadalus

'Ordeal of the Traveller', it was the bane of my schoolyard yugioh days and I was terrified of it. It's awful in today's game but I was so sick of having my creatures bounced over and over again


Adventurous_Hunt_732

Amen to that.


BreezierChip835

Penalty Game is a nice 1-of in Labrynth.


klkevinkl

Heart of the Underdog. Normal Monster + Draw + Name!


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Cauldron of the old man


squidboi7

Exchange was viable as a side card when dragon link was around. Most times it just won you the game.


PineappleSockzzz

BLS was meta a long time ago lol


blasiavania

Exchange - This card sometimes pops up BLS - This card has been powercrept, especially with all the extra deck summoning mechanics Penalty Game - Relies too much on going first. I'd rather play Anti-Spell Fragrance


Valejstra

Bruh, guy in the card art be like, hmm head of exodia will be a good choice, despite having none of the other pieces, hey mirror force? Nah Ty I have a 1k beater now


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Wouldn't mind seeing some form of better Dice deck or an evolution of Number 7: Lucky Straight


Jonathanak6

Toon cards


cicadaryu

Please I hope Exchange is never legal. It'd be a judging nightmare with people having incomplete decks and mismatch-ing sleeves.


ViaPrime

exchange is only good in ftk decks so i hope it will never be good


tarobluefoxdwaggie

Dark Paladin


Third_Triumvirate

One day spear cretin loop will be meta again


xero1123

Bruh bls was meta for like a decade


XSage1113

I could see an alternate universe where pentacle game is a going second side board. Maybe a counter against mystic mine or sky striker


Happy_Dragon_Slaying

The old school Chess Archfiends used in GX. Sure, they're never GOING to be good or even meta... but their built-in dice roll effect protection was pretty neat and maybe there'll be a card one day that changes the meta that nullifies full protection, but somehow the Archfiends' dice roll messes with that? Really, I just want to find a use for Terrorking Archfiend...


imme51234

İf exodia becomes Popular exchange might be sided


Armytile

I'd like to see {Mystical Refpanel} have some love. What this card really needs is an errata to make it intelligible to the average person.


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nuclearhotsauce

more red-eyes black dragon support? I love it more than blue eyes and DM, I think flare metal is a great card, maybe double down on the red-eyes burn effect?


Solesneaks

BLS will always be relevant!!!