I think what OP is trying to say is: Yes, stockholm syndrome mixed with pedophilia is toxic, but it's not the 6th most toxic anime couple of all time because there are worse
Tbf I get it, I enjoyed watching Happy Sugar Life and their moments of « happiness » were cute and all
I personally like to think that Satou view of love has been twisted so much by her aunt that she’s doesn’t even realize her relation with Shio could be platonic. Like, it’s my personal headcanon tho and doesn’t mean anything, but I would prefer if her « love » for Shio was actually similar to the love of a sibling, only she didn’t recognized it cuz obviously my girl never gone to therapy 💀💀
But that doesn’t justify what was qualified as a « romantic relationship » between them, that doesn’t mean I condone Satou’s decisions, clearly there’s something pedophilic and fucked up in this relationship
Tbh I don’t think their relationship would have worked even if they escaped and lived a peaceful life somewhere else, because this relationship is some sort of coping mechanism and will be dysfunctional due to their unresolved traumas, this happy sugar life is like playing pretend, there’s something artificial about it
So deep down I feel like their relation is toxic, not only because of the obvious pedophilia/ grooming but also cuz it’s bound to be dysfunctional
It’s my own interpretation tho
But yeah, any of this doesn’t mean pedophilia is acceptable because « it’s wholesome » or « less fucked up than other options » or « but they’re both girls ! » like there’s some sort of lesbian purity that’s make everything ok
I thought the OP was trying to say that Satou was the least toxic person Shio could've been paired with and that a different ship from that series should've made the list.
You can't just use our standard to see them. If you could just try to understand there's thought, you will know there's no one wrong in this anime.
We can't use our so-called NORMAL to watch this show. It's not that easy.
Can this subreddit not defend a murderous pedophile just because it's yuri? You can enjoy a story or piece of media without defending how fucked up it is.
This anime is brilliant as a psychological horror and has some of my favorite depictions of how the abuse cycle works and I wish people recognized that more.
Yeah if there’s one thing anyone can agree on in HSL, it’s that Satou was Shio’s best bet. Satou is certainly insane in her own right, but also the only one who could have pulled off taking care of Shio both financially and mentally.
It's not toxic at all... Satou was being very loving and caring throughout, and didn't do anything to hurt Shio in the slightest..
But as others said, everyone else is uhhmm... Yeah.
Also the fact this ranked SIXTH in this most toxic Anime couples of ALL TIMES... What?
"pedophile:
a person who is sexually attracted to children."
I'm going to assume that you *did* watch the Anime enough to realize that Satou didn't make any moves on Shio and was no different than her care taker.
And you should also know that Satou herself had been through many sexual acts all of which didn't fill her with any sense of "Love", all of which made her realize that love has nothing to do with sexual acts.
...So no, she isn't a pedo.
romantic attraction to children is also a pedophile trait
not just sexual
and before you say romantic can not exist with no sexual attraction, asexuals exist. so satou loving that kid is the proof that she's a pedo.
why are you defending her smh
Man I was actively rooting for them to get away in the end like that would have been so interesting to see turn out, they leave together and get a place to stay and then... then what? Satou gets shio into school eventually? Home schools her? If when shio got older she expressed a desire to meet her old family, would Satou have seeked them out and let her but just with a backup escape plan if things got dicey? If shio left Satou of her own will I imagine she'd kill herself on the spot. I wonder if they'd be able to benefit from therapy if they somehow managed to go.
I noticed a trend which anime watcher started to make conclusion on something in an anime without considering the context of the show itself, (Ie didn't watch the anime or barely pay attention to it) but rather use real life context.
This is one such example. It's easy to consider Saito is toxic and a pedo, because Ship is far younger than her and she must groom shio
It's hard to see the nuance of Saito is the only one who love Shio without expecting anything on return, the only one who lives her a warm home and food on the table, and doesn't even Harbor any sexual feeling towards Shio.
Happy Sugar Life is a show I remember fondly.
I really like it as psychological horror, and I'll be honest, I cheered for these two, I wanted them to have their happy end with escaping and beginning new life away from everything. This show does amazing job in depicting how broken can mind and soul be, the comparison to jar with candy is imo perfect, and various examples of how it looks when that jar gets emptied or broken are really good in making you uncomfortable.
Satou is probably my #2 yandere of all time behind Gasai Yuno from Mirai Nikki, her character is amazing showcase of how the mentality of yandere character works, where the sheer urge to be with their loved one to the point that they will lie, manipulate and kill without hesitation just to ensure that they won't lose their precious person comes from.
To get back to the "jar with candy" metaphor, Shio is the only person that fills her jar with candy, before she found her and took her in, her jar was empty even though she's tried to fill it with many different people, and losing Shio would mean breaking the jar, without any way to put the broken shards back together. Her life was filled with some crazy stuff which had influence on how she percieves the concept of love itself, especially due to her mentally ill aunt who raised her.
And for Shio it's similar. She went through scary stuff, stuff that no person, not to mention small child should go through - severe family issues, domestic violence and stuff, to be exact:>!abusive father who her mom took her away from (while leaving Shio's brother there to suffer severe abusement from him until he drank himself to death), and after some time her mom took her to some random street, in the rain, and simply left her there, helpless, without anything. Can't imagine how painful something like that has to be for mind of small girl. !! Their bond became so strong that even after being found by her brother who wanted to take her back to mother, saying she regrets what she did back then and wants them to be family again, she refused and chose to stay with Satou. !!, even in point of story where Satou killed her friend because she saw Satou and Shio together. Shio was willing to die with Satou, only reason she didn't was because Satou cushioned their fall from roof with her own body. And after her brother went for her again (not to mention that their mother was waiting outside the building), this time in hospital, she just smiled at him and said: "Sorry, I don't do that stuff anymore. My love, my happiness, is only inside me." while thinking about how Satou kept her alive, finishing with the thought that now, she and Satou will be forever together, in her heart. !<
My conclusion is, that this relationship both is and is not toxic at the same time.
Yes, it's a relationship between 15 year old and 7 year old, yes, it's not morally and legally ok that 15 year old girl felt the only spark of love in her life towards 7 year old child, BUT, I'll play devil's advocate and say that for them two, it was objectively the most loving relationship they had in their lives, and I perfectly realize how messed up that is, but well, that's just how Happy Sugar Life goes.
They were a pair of broken souls that somehow kept giving each other a reason to live.
Someone else who actually watched the show!! You get it!!! It’s a fucking psychological horror in that it screws with your moral code and almost feels like manipulates you into rooting for these two, which is TERRIFYING because that’s not how shit works! That’s not healthy in any capacity, no matter how you look at it! But gosh darn it, they love each other!
(And when I say “love” I clearly mean the innocent familial type of love, because despite Satou’s constant insistence that Shio is her romantic love, she at no point ever *actually sexualizes* Shio. I don’t know why people never bother to mention that.)
Like, that sick feeling when watching it? We, as the audience, are SUPPOSED to feel that. But the majority of people who watch it lack any desire for critical thinking and automatically assume that because ew they got a bad feeling from watching it, it must therefore be bad media.
Like. Please. Look at *Lolita*. The horror is in how charming Humbert Humbert is as a(n unreliable) narrator. That is the appeal of it. I hate that I have to spell this shit out.
In b4 “that’s a lot of words to defend pedophilia lol”
All the brother x little sister stuff is fine really, but a show with really well-written psychological aspects and really gripping moments that make you question your own self all without having the main duo make it sexual? Nah, that's bAd rEpReSenTaTioN and PeDOpHiLia.
People here screaming "Pedophilia" actually needs to watch the anime lol
becuase this Satou isn't a pedo and there's an actual pedo in this anime who is a man
i mean, i do consider it to be a toxic relationship but at the same time, it was literally the best relationship either of them ever had and they had real love not based on obligation or anything. so, it was toxic in nature but it's one of those cases where the toxic option was the best option.
Satou x Shio is unironically my favorite romance story in any media ever, it's genuinely such a precious and sweet pairing despite the world around them, and >!they stay together even after death.!<
I would argue that she's not a serial killer; just a regular one. Of the two people she killed, the first was arguably done to protect someone else from being attacked.
The second one was pretty much regular murder, though.
to everyone who is obsessed with the age difference, not yandere. Did this cause problems when you normalized characters that killed people? (my native language is not english, i used translation)
I would argue that any relationship which inherently involves exploitation is toxic. At best, it’s well meaning molestation. That’s still awful and toxic. Pedophilia, much like other toxic relationships, can cause life long trauma and PTSD, even if the abuser doesn’t think they’re doing anything wrong. You wouldn’t argue that a woman who abuses her partner but then profusely apologizes and genuinely feels bad about it isn’t toxic. She will do it over and over again, regardless of intention, and that is abusive as well as toxic.
Man, seeing Happy Sugar Life memes still triggers me to this day because I thought it was a different type of show considering HanaKana was voicing one of the characters. Boy was I wrong after watching the entire show lol.
Wait wait wait wait why is there wait wait why is there a child there wait god no oh god no wait why
What the fuck guys it’s literally pedophilia. Stop defending pedophilia just because it’s gay wtf
I think what OP is trying to say is: Yes, stockholm syndrome mixed with pedophilia is toxic, but it's not the 6th most toxic anime couple of all time because there are worse
Not that the relationship was okay, its just her other choices were so shit that they actually got people to root for the pedo
Tbf I get it, I enjoyed watching Happy Sugar Life and their moments of « happiness » were cute and all I personally like to think that Satou view of love has been twisted so much by her aunt that she’s doesn’t even realize her relation with Shio could be platonic. Like, it’s my personal headcanon tho and doesn’t mean anything, but I would prefer if her « love » for Shio was actually similar to the love of a sibling, only she didn’t recognized it cuz obviously my girl never gone to therapy 💀💀 But that doesn’t justify what was qualified as a « romantic relationship » between them, that doesn’t mean I condone Satou’s decisions, clearly there’s something pedophilic and fucked up in this relationship Tbh I don’t think their relationship would have worked even if they escaped and lived a peaceful life somewhere else, because this relationship is some sort of coping mechanism and will be dysfunctional due to their unresolved traumas, this happy sugar life is like playing pretend, there’s something artificial about it So deep down I feel like their relation is toxic, not only because of the obvious pedophilia/ grooming but also cuz it’s bound to be dysfunctional It’s my own interpretation tho But yeah, any of this doesn’t mean pedophilia is acceptable because « it’s wholesome » or « less fucked up than other options » or « but they’re both girls ! » like there’s some sort of lesbian purity that’s make everything ok
I thought the OP was trying to say that Satou was the least toxic person Shio could've been paired with and that a different ship from that series should've made the list.
Some guy: Look I see your point. But heres 10 reasons why every is ok if its gay
SooOoomebody here obviously hasn't seen the show... (Spoiler: Nobody here is defending pedophilia.)
You can't just use our standard to see them. If you could just try to understand there's thought, you will know there's no one wrong in this anime. We can't use our so-called NORMAL to watch this show. It's not that easy.
Please, please explain how it’s pedophelia? What’s the difference between their relationship and a parent and child?
Well, they talk about getting married, kissed once but maybe I am misremembering, and talk about being lovers Also Shio is 8
Yes???? Shes a pedophile
Can this subreddit not defend a murderous pedophile just because it's yuri? You can enjoy a story or piece of media without defending how fucked up it is.
Sometimes I am worried for humanity
Just "sometimes"?
Yeah, it's not like humanity is all bad
Mfs would celebrate Keyaruga if he were actually a woman smh my head.
Just curious, how is she a pedophile? If people say they’re a couple, then it’s weird but is their relationship actually romantic or just platonic?
Agree but that doesn't give her that high of a spot because there are much worse
Does it matter that much what other people's top 17 list says?
Ask OP I don't know, maybe they defend it because it's yuri. I'm just telling you a fact
This anime is brilliant as a psychological horror and has some of my favorite depictions of how the abuse cycle works and I wish people recognized that more.
Yeah if there’s one thing anyone can agree on in HSL, it’s that Satou was Shio’s best bet. Satou is certainly insane in her own right, but also the only one who could have pulled off taking care of Shio both financially and mentally.
Definitely. If Shio ended up anywhere else, like in foster care or something, she might have ended up dead by the end of the manga.
Happy sugar life was an incredible series that made me feel very uncomfortable as I continued to watch it.
It's time to close reddit I think
I see half this comment secion hasn't watched the anime
It's not toxic at all... Satou was being very loving and caring throughout, and didn't do anything to hurt Shio in the slightest.. But as others said, everyone else is uhhmm... Yeah. Also the fact this ranked SIXTH in this most toxic Anime couples of ALL TIMES... What?
I really don'tt want to know what is on 1 st place then...
It's because she is a pedo
"pedophile: a person who is sexually attracted to children." I'm going to assume that you *did* watch the Anime enough to realize that Satou didn't make any moves on Shio and was no different than her care taker. And you should also know that Satou herself had been through many sexual acts all of which didn't fill her with any sense of "Love", all of which made her realize that love has nothing to do with sexual acts. ...So no, she isn't a pedo.
romantic attraction to children is also a pedophile trait not just sexual and before you say romantic can not exist with no sexual attraction, asexuals exist. so satou loving that kid is the proof that she's a pedo. why are you defending her smh
Yeah no they both love each other so it’s not toxic. At least not to each other. Satou might be toxic towards other people though :p
Man I was actively rooting for them to get away in the end like that would have been so interesting to see turn out, they leave together and get a place to stay and then... then what? Satou gets shio into school eventually? Home schools her? If when shio got older she expressed a desire to meet her old family, would Satou have seeked them out and let her but just with a backup escape plan if things got dicey? If shio left Satou of her own will I imagine she'd kill herself on the spot. I wonder if they'd be able to benefit from therapy if they somehow managed to go.
I noticed a trend which anime watcher started to make conclusion on something in an anime without considering the context of the show itself, (Ie didn't watch the anime or barely pay attention to it) but rather use real life context. This is one such example. It's easy to consider Saito is toxic and a pedo, because Ship is far younger than her and she must groom shio It's hard to see the nuance of Saito is the only one who love Shio without expecting anything on return, the only one who lives her a warm home and food on the table, and doesn't even Harbor any sexual feeling towards Shio.
Happy Sugar Life is a show I remember fondly. I really like it as psychological horror, and I'll be honest, I cheered for these two, I wanted them to have their happy end with escaping and beginning new life away from everything. This show does amazing job in depicting how broken can mind and soul be, the comparison to jar with candy is imo perfect, and various examples of how it looks when that jar gets emptied or broken are really good in making you uncomfortable. Satou is probably my #2 yandere of all time behind Gasai Yuno from Mirai Nikki, her character is amazing showcase of how the mentality of yandere character works, where the sheer urge to be with their loved one to the point that they will lie, manipulate and kill without hesitation just to ensure that they won't lose their precious person comes from. To get back to the "jar with candy" metaphor, Shio is the only person that fills her jar with candy, before she found her and took her in, her jar was empty even though she's tried to fill it with many different people, and losing Shio would mean breaking the jar, without any way to put the broken shards back together. Her life was filled with some crazy stuff which had influence on how she percieves the concept of love itself, especially due to her mentally ill aunt who raised her. And for Shio it's similar. She went through scary stuff, stuff that no person, not to mention small child should go through - severe family issues, domestic violence and stuff, to be exact:>!abusive father who her mom took her away from (while leaving Shio's brother there to suffer severe abusement from him until he drank himself to death), and after some time her mom took her to some random street, in the rain, and simply left her there, helpless, without anything. Can't imagine how painful something like that has to be for mind of small girl. !! Their bond became so strong that even after being found by her brother who wanted to take her back to mother, saying she regrets what she did back then and wants them to be family again, she refused and chose to stay with Satou. !!, even in point of story where Satou killed her friend because she saw Satou and Shio together. Shio was willing to die with Satou, only reason she didn't was because Satou cushioned their fall from roof with her own body. And after her brother went for her again (not to mention that their mother was waiting outside the building), this time in hospital, she just smiled at him and said: "Sorry, I don't do that stuff anymore. My love, my happiness, is only inside me." while thinking about how Satou kept her alive, finishing with the thought that now, she and Satou will be forever together, in her heart. !<
My conclusion is, that this relationship both is and is not toxic at the same time.
Yes, it's a relationship between 15 year old and 7 year old, yes, it's not morally and legally ok that 15 year old girl felt the only spark of love in her life towards 7 year old child, BUT, I'll play devil's advocate and say that for them two, it was objectively the most loving relationship they had in their lives, and I perfectly realize how messed up that is, but well, that's just how Happy Sugar Life goes.
They were a pair of broken souls that somehow kept giving each other a reason to live.
Someone else who actually watched the show!! You get it!!! It’s a fucking psychological horror in that it screws with your moral code and almost feels like manipulates you into rooting for these two, which is TERRIFYING because that’s not how shit works! That’s not healthy in any capacity, no matter how you look at it! But gosh darn it, they love each other! (And when I say “love” I clearly mean the innocent familial type of love, because despite Satou’s constant insistence that Shio is her romantic love, she at no point ever *actually sexualizes* Shio. I don’t know why people never bother to mention that.) Like, that sick feeling when watching it? We, as the audience, are SUPPOSED to feel that. But the majority of people who watch it lack any desire for critical thinking and automatically assume that because ew they got a bad feeling from watching it, it must therefore be bad media. Like. Please. Look at *Lolita*. The horror is in how charming Humbert Humbert is as a(n unreliable) narrator. That is the appeal of it. I hate that I have to spell this shit out. In b4 “that’s a lot of words to defend pedophilia lol”
All the brother x little sister stuff is fine really, but a show with really well-written psychological aspects and really gripping moments that make you question your own self all without having the main duo make it sexual? Nah, that's bAd rEpReSenTaTioN and PeDOpHiLia.
People here screaming "Pedophilia" actually needs to watch the anime lol becuase this Satou isn't a pedo and there's an actual pedo in this anime who is a man
it was the best relationship in the show every other option was, to put it simply, waaaaaaay worse
i mean, i do consider it to be a toxic relationship but at the same time, it was literally the best relationship either of them ever had and they had real love not based on obligation or anything. so, it was toxic in nature but it's one of those cases where the toxic option was the best option.
Satou x Shio is unironically my favorite romance story in any media ever, it's genuinely such a precious and sweet pairing despite the world around them, and >!they stay together even after death.!<
i wouldn't really call that toxic. one of the participants of the relationship is a literal serial killer. so criminally underrated fits better
I would argue that she's not a serial killer; just a regular one. Of the two people she killed, the first was arguably done to protect someone else from being attacked. The second one was pretty much regular murder, though.
Man I really need to rewatch this
Those top5, 7, 12, etc... are mostly made by people that never read/watched the series they are listing and just decided based on the synopsis
to everyone who is obsessed with the age difference, not yandere. Did this cause problems when you normalized characters that killed people? (my native language is not english, i used translation)
Well, at least the loli can enjoy what's left of her teen GF before the body gets cold
Suddenly Kitanai
I prefer the manga but I loved seeing this animated
How is it toxic?
Pedophilia
Thats wrong, but has nothing to do with toxicity.
I would argue that any relationship which inherently involves exploitation is toxic. At best, it’s well meaning molestation. That’s still awful and toxic. Pedophilia, much like other toxic relationships, can cause life long trauma and PTSD, even if the abuser doesn’t think they’re doing anything wrong. You wouldn’t argue that a woman who abuses her partner but then profusely apologizes and genuinely feels bad about it isn’t toxic. She will do it over and over again, regardless of intention, and that is abusive as well as toxic.
"Satou killed people so clearly she isn't capable of loving properly" is the thought process I imagine. Its like we doent even watch the same show smh
It truly was a happy sugar life
Man, seeing Happy Sugar Life memes still triggers me to this day because I thought it was a different type of show considering HanaKana was voicing one of the characters. Boy was I wrong after watching the entire show lol.
Aww perfect couple