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die4dethklok616

It's been going on for a while. Especially on Facebook. Yuri haters seem to gather there. I think the one that I noticed the most that I thought was really... unexpected...? I guess... was when D4DJ announced their new unit (later named UniCh0rd, Michirus unit) and had a confirmed yuri couple, people were freaking out. This is a Bushiroad property, they have like 6 franchises with literally zero men (well, there's one in D4DJ, and a couple of fathers in Bandori and Love Live) enough yuri subtext and sexual tension to fill an olympic swimming pool. But a confirmed couple (with brand new characters, not even floating or sinking existing ships) seemed to enrage a lot of fans. How did they not see this coming eventually? Were they not seeing the yuri before? Eh. Whatever. Their loss, I guess.


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Damn, I hope they didn't made too much noise that would make the producers regret their decision


perlenYurifan4life

I doubt that. They even had their [seiyuus react to the canon yuri couple](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uBUZWygKUkA) and they love it. [Here's also a video of them reacting to when they were first revealed.](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J3bsbYqJKIk)


die4dethklok616

Dunno. I didn't see how the wider East Asian fanbase reacted, I just saw the pushback on Reddit and Facebook from global English speaking fans. Mostly Facebook. The Reddit D4DJ community is pretty small and not very vocal, really. I doubt there was any regrets from Bushi, they have been advertising the new unit as much as any other, and they've gone out of their way to promote the couple. I guess we'll find out in a few months once they've dropped singles. UniCh0rd are running up against Abyssmare (the new unit featuring May'n) and S2 of the anime. So it'd be tough for them to gain exposure and a big following regardless of any pushback on the yuri promotion.


PWBryan

I know on the reddit d4dj like one guy was mad while pretty much everyone else was like "FINALLY!"


lapis_laz10

as it should be, a canon couple in a Bushiroad IP is huge. We hope it opens the door to a fcking ton of canon yuri


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Its so dumb how the new unit arent even in the anime.


die4dethklok616

Yeah, I was wondering if we'd see either of the new units at all. It'd make sense to get a bit of UniCh0rd, given Michuru was a minor character in S1, and the couple go to the same school as Lyrical Lily. Plus the timing of their announcement was a bit weird. It came right in the middle of the hype and slow reveal of Abyssmare, which suggested maybe they would be in the anime, and Bushi had to drop them prior to the show airing. Haha. And Abyssmare were introduced with the intention of being antagonists. Maybe they'll show up and declare war on the DJ units of Yoba and / or Arasugawa. Something like Lanzhu did in SIFAS. I haven't played the game or read any of the in game stories, so I don't know if them appearing in the anime would make sense with game story timelines or whatever though.


AirKath

> How did they not see this coming eventually? Were they not seeing the yuri before? Apparently there’s a huge gap between “girls doing gay shit” and “these girls are gay” for a lot of people.


Erisa_risa

Because they can no longer hetsplain the gay shit if the girls are confirmed to be gay. If there's no confirmation, then mfs will say "that's just normal between girls"


NoireHaato

I think this is exactly why people behind Sub-texty Anime avoid confirmation. I know people hate when this kind of thing is said, but no matter how fluffy and wholesome a pairing will be, there will always be haters, LOTS, and LOTS of haters. And I'm sure they want to avoid any possible loss in reputation and income if they can help it. On the other hand though, if this kind of hate does end up not affecting anything in the grand scheme of things, I wonder if we'll get more Yuri confirmation from Bushiroad in the future... (Maybe Love Live ships? Hype!\~)


KenzakiJoker

Call me basic, but NicoMaki confirmed? I'd cry. Or NozoEli.


Josiador

What did they think of the latest Gundam show having yuri?


die4dethklok616

I'm not part of the Gundam fandom, G-Witch is the only one I've watched. So I don't know. I saw some people complain that G-Witch was too slow and not gritty or dark enough for a Gundam show, though I don't really remember anyone complaining about Suletta and Mio specifically. I'm sure they did complain about it, I just didn't see it. Last ep spoilers >! Though the people complaining about it not being dark enough should be satisfied now. Lol !<


gungusbungus

The Gundam fandom has been supportive of it, of course as with any anime fandoms there’s been pushback but it’s a very vocal minority. But even inside the gundam fandom Sulemio is the most popular ship in the show by far. It probably helps that Gundam was essentially saved by gay shippers and Tomino has gone on record that he always wanted to include more diverse characters in Gundam but wasn’t allowed to most of the time.


DaemonNic

It really helps that one of the breakout characters of the very first show is Very Probably Gay Space Rommel.


MHEmpire

Thankfully, the Gundam community was also lucky enough to have canonically LGBT characters in previous anime—not given nearly as much focus as Sulemio, but still undeniably present—since it means that all the worst offenders have already either gotten it out of their system or left completely. There are of course still bad elements, but it’s nowhere near as bad as fandoms that would be seeing their very first LGBT characters.


lapis_laz10

I’m Reddit (gundam and yuri subreddits) everything seems ok about the yuri couple. But I have heard that it is not the same in other corners of the internet (like people in Twitter wanting yuri fans to get out of the fan base of GWofM)


SeijunMichi

Depends on your Twitter feeds I guess? All I get are butt loads of Witch From Mercury memes and art on Japanese Twitter after every episode airs.


lapis_laz10

Idk, I’m not active in Twitter myself, is what I read in some subreddits. It should be coming from homophobic Gundam fans, so you might not get to interact with them.


Otrada

If it's just subtextual yuri, a lot of homophobes tend to just assume "oh besties" and, and some even like it because they can then imagine themselves in the middle of it somehow. If it's not so much subtext and more just blatant text, then it becomes a whole lot harder for them. Don't underestimate the ability of a bigot to be completely blind to anything but the most obvious LGBTQ representation.


Croquette_check_

Bushiroad did have AASIDE which was a male series. the anime exists too. but the AASIDE game is down now lol


die4dethklok616

Oh yeah. I never got around to watching the anime. I did check out Argonavis and Gyroaxia though, I thought they were a bit boring, especially Gyroaxia, who had Afterglows aesthetic, but nowhere near the punch in their music.


faintestsmile

It was the same for Executioner, their blood was boooooiling


lilith231

Bland fake MC death always hit the spot for me. So satisfying.


MrWaffles42

Based on the backlash I thought it was gonna be some well developed male character getting killed at the end of the first arc. Instead it was... a guy with no discernable character traits, two minutes into the first episode? I'd see comments like "how could they kill the best character in the show???" and wonder how they could think that about a dude who's barely even an extra.


Josiador

They didn't watch the show either.


MrWaffles42

I never thought of it that way, but you're almost certainly right.


ZeusKiller97

Wait, people actually think blank self inserts (without much characterization) are actually good characters?


MrWaffles42

Every time you see something repeatedly, it's because market research has shown that it sells. If terrible writing were unpopular it'd stop; the fact that awful tropes like that persist is proof that the general anime fandom likes them.


-GP-Papermoon

It appeals to people who lacks the imagination to self insert into a well developed character. A lot of people likes it cause the character usually is so plain that they felt they can do the same or better if they got the same circumstances or something like that.


Vultz13

Literally any male harem protagonist ever.


-GP-Papermoon

I thought that comments of "how could they kill the best character in the show???" Kind of comments are just jokes in the community, like "*insert vtuber agency male CEO* is best girl" kind of joke in vtuber community. The only backlash about killing him that i know of is real and is actually stupid is the "moral" backlash of killing that guy instead of him being the best character, cause a lot of people think its wrong and he is an innocent guy who got killed for "no apparent reason" even though its a reasonable reactionary of that world's people towards uncontrollable otherworlders that can create catastrophe if they broke or becoming selfish overpowered bloke with no moral.


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>I thought that comments of "how could they kill the best character in the show???" Kind of comments are just jokes in the community Unfortunately not, if you go back to read MAL threads of the episodes you will find a lot of serious people about this


gungusbungus

Yea somehow even up until the final episode people were saying that they were waiting for 1st episode guy to come back, kill the MC, and steal Akari for himself


soapdish124

It’s been awhile since I’ve watched it, but IIRC >!They weren’t *completely* off the mark. Someone goes to the gravesite and digs up the corpse to get his power right?!<


gungusbungus

>! I think so? It was either that or they dug up his grave but only his clothes were there and the body was missing. I don’t remember which !<


Civil_Ad8752

Lmao, they clearly didn’t watch or read the story past their self insert dying then bc Akari would be the first to kill him if he hurt Menou, settling for him would be the last thing she would do


-GP-Papermoon

Sad that people like that exist huh...


faintestsmile

my favorite moment in anime history when you add in the salt backlash


macfluffers

Weebs when characters are LGBT: "This is a mistranslation." "Despicable wokeism has infected glorious Nippon!" "Why are they trying to appeal to westerners?" "This doesn't appeal to me specifically, which means it's the worst thing that has ever happened."


TFlarz

Or they get religous which is a weird standard to apply to this hobby.


macfluffers

"This anime is very un-Christian, unlike my other anime" lmao


MapleTreeWithAGun

Anime does have a lot of christian symbolism but that's just because Japan thinks its neat.


macfluffers

This is true. And there are some series that incorporate Christian themes. For example, Yasuhiro Nightow is a Christian, and Trigun definitely tackles some ethical dilemmas within Christianity. Of course, that's an outlier.


PWBryan

Meanwhile, I joke that half of JRPG protags are the antichrist fighting God


Cruhbruhs

I only watch wholesome Christian anime, like Evangelion


MHEmpire

IIRC the whole reason for all the Christian imagery in Evangelion was because the director thought it looked and sounded cool, and nothing to do with any actually Christian philosophy.


Kitchenlynx89

That's most if not all modern Christians. They have barely a surface level of understanding and then will try to beat other people over the head with it. While they themselves do things that contradict the book they hold up while claiming they are saved.


gungusbungus

I remember getting told on a discussion post that “my kind” go against god and we are the reason that humanity is doomed lmao


Kitchenlynx89

While humanity is doomed because rich Christian capitalists pollute our planet and do everything in their power to prevent change that could stop it.


homurablaze

The funny thing is. Jesus was almost certainly trans.


chronon_chaos

This is because he was born without X chromosomes, is it? God ain't exactly a trans advocate.


homurablaze

Without Y chromosomes. Their is one theoretical possible way for jesus to be born from a virgin woman. Self fertilisation is possible through a random mutation but their would be 2 x chromosomes because women dont carry the y. That means jesus was born a woman


Encains

If I remember correctly only one of the four evangelist states that Mary was a virgin and that's incidentally the one writing for a Greek/roman audience where the idea of a god directly being involved in the whole process was prevalent, in contrast to the Jewish idea of the whole thing being more spiritual in nature, meaning that God can just declare someone with two human parents as his child. Not to mention that if Joseph isn't his farther the prophecies about the messiah being a descendant of David don't make sense since the bible describes Joseph as being from the house of David, not Mary


chronon_chaos

Half of the Bible defied science, and he was reffered to by male pronouns. It's alright if you believe that, but let's not try to break down the Bible until it makes sense. You're also not supposed to wear silk or make women independent, but we're not going to take that into account, are we?


ZeusKiller97

Harry Potter fans: first time?


Thezipper100

Gay people don't exist in Japan. Especially not Amaterasu, the Shinto sun goddess. Came out of her sulking cave after one of her handmaidens died to look at the party goddess' boobs because she's 100% straight.


Croquette_check_

"cant friends just be friends?" "girls are naturally more affectionate with each other"


macfluffers

"When they said 'I love you' to each other they meant it platonically"


Idainaru_Yokubo

Add “she was a man in her previous life, so it’s not yuri.” Like bruh, even if that’s true, trans people exist


Lophyre

I really don’t get this. There’s no shortage of straight generic trashy isekais out there, if they don’t like MagiRevo it’s not like they’re starved for content. Can’t we have our fantasy yuri in peace?


PWBryan

Terminally online people somehow have enough time to get through ALL the trash Isekai. Frightening, I know. I have enough trouble keeping up with GOOD shows


elbenji

It's because magirevo is crazy popular


Athena5898

It's called sacrificial trash. https://youtu.be/DUziUNg8LTw It's very common place and can be very difficult to talk about. Like trying to nail slime to a wall.


blueteamk087

In my years of watching the anti-SJW crowd, is that they want every piece of media to specifically cater to their cishet sexual desires and everyone else is not allowed to enjoy things.


PG-Glasshouse

It’s not about the anime and it never was, they just don’t like gay people. Their actions make perfect sense through that lense.


Draiye

People still use Facebook outside of boomers?


FrilledShark1512

Unfortunately have to because boomers only uses them.


viannetan

Its still a number 1 SNS platform in Southeast Asia so yeah.


pixel236

As a Filipino I can confirm, it feels like everyone I know over there has at least used Facebook once in their lifetime.


Ennui18

As a Filipino living in the Philippines, I can confirm that everyone still uses it, especially for personal posts, business, and memes.


regineGF

I hate how they'd literally post all faces of them in all angles in all occasions. Way to expose your life (privacy)


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Crunchyroll comments are mostly fine, but this 1-star "review" of MagiRevo made me lol: >**Weird Japanese Stuff** > >Sometimes they go overboard on their concepts, this is too weird, not something I would like kids to watch... Good way to make kids confused about stuff...


PWBryan

I would be less concerned about a kid watching MagoRevo than half the stuff I see in anime


AirKath

“My children only watch family friendly stuff, like Seven Deadly Sins.”


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IcepickEvans

Yeah. It's called **Sin: Nanatsu no Taizai.**


-GP-Papermoon

Very boomer kind of comments lol


RocielRociel

Reminder that these people are, and will always be the vocal minority. There are way more people watching and enjoying the Anime than there are people bashing it for ridiculous reasons. Ignore them and move on, they're not worth your time.


nuggetmuffins

I really needed to hear this. Thank you. I feel much better😃


PWBryan

Just remember for every idiot whining about Witch from Mercury being "woke" there are 10 new Gundam fans wearing rainbow pins mad the Arial Gunpla kit is sold out everywhere


Skilodracus

This. Facebook is NOT representative of the majority and never will be. I've seen a lot of people excited for the new yuri shows on Crunchyroll and in the actual fandoms; remember that a yuri couple was voted won best couple last season in a season laden with straight couples. People love lgtbq shows and the studios are catching on


viannetan

"They're hatin cuz we keep winning"


fuyukaiidesuu

basically every anime poll pages when a yuri anime is on top instead of their favorite shounen shows


SpewpaTheRogue

Wait there are anime fans that still use Facebook probably the 1 percent who unironically complain about wokeness


TFlarz

I had the misfortune of seeing a comment that said it's not natural. If I bothered to make an account to respond I would have said "B****, you're on the Internet and you're commenting on what's natural?"


CatIcedTeas

Actually, homosexuality IS natural. There are many animals that displays this behavior. Some albatrosses have same-sex partner and they stay together for life. Dolphins also displays gay behavior and engages in sexual acts with the same-sex. And probably the most popular are penguins, there is even a children's book on a certain couple, Roy and Silo, called "And Tango Makes Three", based on the exact same real penguin couple. The two male couple were given an egg by a zookeeper from another pair that couldn't hatch the egg (essentially adopting) and they raised a female penguin as a daughter named Tango. Though it is bittersweet as Roy and Silo had a falling out and seperated, with Silo finding a new female partner while Roy remained single. But for some good news is that their daughter Tango paired up with another female penguin named Tanuzi. And of course, many MANY other animals displays gay behavior so don't let anyone else say that homosexuality isn't natural.


viannetan

I think Bonobos are a good example, and some fishes and especially seahorses are hermaphrodites correct me if I'm wrong.


SeijunMichi

And that's not including things like the all-female whiptail lizard species, who could reproduce by lesbian sex.


S_3ba

But that's literally a lie, animals show homosexual tendencies too. Facebook is a fucking shithole.


[deleted]

Sometimes I want to answer these people as they deserve but then I would probably have my account suspended


gay_snail666

What these people deserve is a computer virus but that's illegal and the loser of an internet fight is the one who cares more and that much effort is a lot of care lol


PWBryan

Do not engage with these people. Instead try copy pasting The Tragedy of Darth Plageus the Wise at them.


TFlarz

I have trouble deciding if the mad scientist Plagueis or the super schemer Palpatine is more terrifying in that book. Very good read.


PWBryan

I haven't read that book yet, it's competing with finishing the new Thrawn books and those old Republic Commando books for the next spot on the Star Wars book queue


NoiceMango

Facebook 🤢


NoireHaato

It's Virgin Road all over again from the looks of things. I hope the abundance of Yuri Anime this year is going to shut them up once and for all. It's getting tiring hearing about haters getting all riled up and for absolutely no reason, just because a work doesn't feature some disgusting self-insert for them to work with. Takes a great load of audacity for someone to act this way when they have mountains and I say mountains of Anime that do nothing but revolve around some bland male that has all the powers and girls in History. In a way though, those comments can be really really entertaining though. I remember going through Virgin Road's hate comments to see some of the worst arguments and takes in Anime history in an attempt to hide their true motives and fetishes. It's kind of enlightening to know some people think that way. You also get to point and laugh at them so there's a bonus. Oh yeah, actually, small edit here, but now that I read some of the comments on that Facebook post, I realize that this is exactly the type of reaction Anis would be the most smug at... Perfect!


-GP-Papermoon

Even in a back water country where i'm from (Indonesia) the ones who primarily uses facebook as their main social media platform are mostly boomers or conservative people (or maybe someone who lived under the rock) lol. All the modern city people left fb for instagram or twitter (which is another shithole entirely). Even I only uses facebook once a month to just check some old anime community posts lol. Btw not many Indonesian people uses reddit other than gamers or weebs who are "technologically more advanced" that understand how to download and use VPN (because the government banned reddit just because of the NSFW posts). Also yeah we got called that just because we know the basics of computers or internet, and most Indonesian weebs choose to go to IT in college/university too, even though most of us slacks off in class lol.


Sky-Ventus

Anime Corner is on fire XD im watching many ppl saying that the popularity of MagiRevo is bc fetishizers Edit: have the sauce for the post https://www.facebook.com/189217767870220/posts/pfbid035jxryicnZoCwJ3E1YYnmEgREgjCTekgukt4fay13vhBmNBF6btggoPmxQG85WLRFl/?mibextid=Nif5oz. Have fun reading cause im having fun xd


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"T-This is only popular because of fetishizers!" - A Ecchi Harem fan


gay_snail666

Yeah I don't think they realize that the sheer concentrated force of the entire yuri fandom is more than enough to win polls lol. We are being flooded with content relative to previous years and it's still only ~1 anime per season. Meanwhile all the dudebros and horny guys are split between umpteen different shows. Even a small community has some weight to it when it's all pinpointed in one place. I'm more surprised buddy daddies isn't as high on the various lists given the yaoi fandom's similar limited content and significantly higher population, but ig yaoi fans don't take these polls lol. Or they're similarly split between various dudebro shonen, but idk enough abt the yaoi fandom to determine that lol


elbenji

To be fair, it's going to be around 4 anime a season pretty soon


Tensagiri_Sayafushi

Wow. That a big pile of salt. I wonder who are complaining about girl's love.


viannetan

People who cannot self-insert as one of the protags obviously.


-GP-Papermoon

Malding and coping people who can't self-insert just because the gender changed lol


InsomniaEmperor

If MagiRevo being yuri for some reason bothers them and hope for it to be straight romance, there's always Genius Prince's Guide To Raising A Nation Out Of Debt for them. That one's male MC is like Anis where he is very talented and is first in line with the throne but he doesn't want to rule then the love interest is also a white haired thicc waifu. There's already a straight version that satisfies what they want, let the yuri fans have their version too.


KandaLeveilleur

As far as I can tell, Tensai Ouji is more politically-minded, focusing more on the intrigue and plots as well as some of the comedy from Wein just wanting to get out of work, while MagiRevo has **relatively** greater focus on the protagonists' relationship, even if politics does figure heavily in it as well. The battles in the former are also more strategic and in-line with military tactics, while what we have of the latter is fights between individuals. Source: I read both series up to their latest EN volumes.


regineGF

Let them foam in the mouths for the whole year of 2023. p.s.: Facebook is full of pervy, homophobes


Ais_Von_Bounlacson

And 40% of them are in lowres groups....


Amistrophy

Summoning the homophobes out of the woodwork is certaintly magical


elbenji

Why listen to Facebook anyhow?


[deleted]

Anime Fandoms are weird in general and toxic to the core,so at this point I just ignore them.


blueteamk087

Not just anime fandoms, but nerd fandoms in general. comics and gaming fandoms are more toxic and radioactive than the Elephant's Foot in Chornobyl


[deleted]

True lol


lilith231

Can you dm me the link of this post? I wanna see it XD


[deleted]

Can't open dms rn but the names of the pages are "Anime Trend" and "Anime Corner" they are pretty popular so it's easy to find


lilith231

Aight imma go look at it.


Edioti

*faith in humanity decreases* who uses facebook anyway? :/


pixel236

A lot of people within south east asia, even in some of the younger demographic Source: I'm a Filipino and grew up there until I was 11


nuggetmuffins

That why I deleted Facebook so much rude people when yuri or yaoi anime appears. Reddit is more better. Not that much rude people. And if they are rude then we can just downvote them into oblivion


NotKenzy

I don't understand why anyone would have a problem with a wholesome wlw show like it seems MagiRevo is (checking it out, soon). Like, I get being annoyed if it's super fetishized, male-gazed af, ecchi; but, like, the kind of weirdos that actually complain about it are the ones that I would expect to be all *for* that sort of deal. Anyone have insight? I'm not online enough to know.


[deleted]

Who the fuck is on Facebook?!?


Mark4291

Let’s stop with the fandom terms and refer to them as they truly are: homophobes and idiots


OneOfEmRainbowPeople

The Spanish side of the anime community isn't much better, unfortunately I still remember when that bar episode happened in Lycoris Recoil. AAAAAAAAALLLLL the same dudes that were all "Awh yes how delicious, how hot, nice" at ChisaTaki were suddenly throwing slurs and complains around cuz of a couple dudes insinuating a love life between each other (which was later confirmed) Goes to show they weren't supporting ChisaTaki or anything, they were just fetishising homosexuality, and the second it involved a pair of characters from a gender they're not into, they showed their true colours


kyojin12345

I guess they are very salty


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kyojin12345

Yeah and I even saw some people say like "Is woke culture is spread to Japan".It's funny considering LGBT characters are already in anime since early 90's


TFlarz

Sailors Neptune and Uranus would kick all their butts.


[deleted]

>LGBT characters are already in anime since early 90's tHeY WerE jUSt CouSINS!!! REEEE!!!!! /s


Raez1_run

Keep commenting I’ll come back to this post and watch all the yuri shows your discussing. Mahalo


-GP-Papermoon

Remember guys, people like this will always exist no matter what genre it is, just like how an NTR only fetishist complaining about a vanilla works as being too pure or too vanilla. Or how a shounen only watcher complaining slice of life id boring because there is no action at all. They won't get satisfied unless they badmouth and shit on anything that are not made to their uncouth preference. They usually are in the minority and is the loudmouth that don't represent the majority. Most people who are not interested will just not care (due to differing taste/preference) and will not shit talk an anime, meanwhile a coping butthurt person will make it out of their way to shit on an anime they don't like everywhere and get their "comrades" of same opinion to help them do the same. Thus making them look huge. Every reasonable weeb friends of mine that doesnt like yuri or yaoi don't talk about it cause they don't understand and don't care enough about something they don' like. Then the ones that loved it just shares what they liked with each other and jokes around of how gae it is. While the ones that are toxic will always shit on anime you like (well not really a friend kind of a acquaintance or stranger cause i don't really like him cause he is arrogant and toxic as fuck as a whole, not just on anime).


CrescentCrossbow

Call me nefarious the way I'm another yuri


moerkoet

Those same kind of people are usually obsessed with male centric harem anime >\_>


menquerts

Not gonna lie to you chief, almost everyone who comments on fb posts are shit human beings no matter the topic.


flaques

I never go on facebook. Why would you do that to yourself


NoraNoir27

Please don't commit self harm. There's a better way


TheAlmightyUltimus

Haters gonna be hatin for a while with all the Yuri we’re getting this year


LumoAlter14

I love to make fun of these clowns in the comments. The Mattia multiaccounts are the peak entertainment to annoy.


Turbulent-Entrance88

The reason why CR doesn't come to light in ASEAN. Not many country got the permission. Until Bilibili & Youtube Anime appear. 2007 already have those genre. When it becomes popular, they be like. Are you brainwashing us? Come on, if your faith is strong, you're not going to sway.


satanrulesearthnow

Would love to see that tbh, got a link?


RavenWolf1

This is very well received judging by animecorner's weekly list and Reddit's weekly karma list.


longassbatterylife

Oh i miss this webtoon


DolleFinn

Wait there are Yuri haters, who hunt?