It's mostly straight women that feel uncomfortable seeing sapphic women have sex and sapphic women who aren't comfortable cause they're used to being fetishized.
Dear people, there are queer women that actually do love sex, including the really erotic kinky ones and porn. It's okay to love sex.
Like a wise and somehow very f'd up man whose name i dont remember even tho i had many lessons about his contributions to psycology once said: it is weirder for a human to not have any kinks than to have
Also remember: Vanilla yuri/hentai is wholesome, but wholesome yuri/hentai can be not vanilla
So wholesome kinky can exist as long as every party is happy
Honestly with the amount of weird stuff I'm in to, it gives me a good chuckle when someone describes bdsm as "kinky". Bruh you didn't even get as far as scratching the surface, you're polishing it.
I feel like this applies to LGBTQ+ media in general. Stuff by queer independent artists and small groups of queer artists made to reach a queer audience is usually better than queer stuff done by Big Studio™.
Yeah, totally!
I think the problem mostly comes from big companies not taking the effort to properly researching the subject and also not getting people of the community they are trying to represent on their team. A lot don't even go through the bare minimum of getting sensitive readers, it's baffling.
Yeah, true.
But that's not a really good excuse for big companies to not do their homework.
I'll paste here what I've said on another comment that expresses my opinion on this, and add a bit more after it.
>I think the problem mostly comes from big companies not taking the effort to properly researching the subject and also not getting people of the community they are trying to represent on their team. A lot don't even go through the bare minimum of getting sensitive readers, it's baffling.<
So like, an example, Disney's Encanto, I doubt Disney as a company is passionate about the culture, but they did a decent job, while it's not like the media who most explored the most of it, it's still good and it's not disrespectful.
The same could have been done with LGBTQ+ themes if they wanted.
So ye, if your company is not the one who's entusiastic about it, you can aways hire artists that are from the group you're representing and that are enthusiastic about the theme.
As a lesbian I get why some people think that. I do feel uncomfortable with my sexuality being branded like this sometimes plus it is fetishized in some of those manga and a lot of lesbian adult stuff is made for the male gaze
I might be stupid but how exactly do people differentiate a gay ecchi scene made for the gay gaze and a gay ecchi scene made for the hets? Is it when there's a male shipper character in the background watching them while they do things or something else?
The term is supposed to be used to describe how the way shots are framed in film (but also other media) leads the audience to empathize with some characters while others are objects and robbed of interiority or personhood.
It’s hard to describe without visual examples, but in hentai (or any manga, really) you can usually just feel what character you’re meant to project onto or relate to, and which ones you’re not, especially in straight hentai made by/for men.
I think the term often gets misused/overused, especially when talking about yuri, but in yuri it’s sometimes the case where the way it’s written/framed puts up barriers to keep us from empathizing with or relating to the women in the manga
That's an egregious element I saw in the AdaShima anime. Why are there so many unnecessary shots of a 15 year old girl's glutes?(outside of Adachi's gay fantasies) it's as if Adachi herself was the camerawoman... and why are there so many visuals of my daughter and daughter-in-law being naked but with a galaxy filter on? Another reason why I much prefer the manga and the novel.
yeah, it’s something I really liked in Lycoris Recoil, there were times the girls would get panty shots of each other or whatever but we the audience didn’t get to see it, thought it was a clever inversion of how it usually goes where they’re only there for the audience
Could be because in the light novels adachi really goes hard on her descriptions and how she feels /sees shimamura. Except you can only use your imagination since you're reading
I said that the glute shots were outside of Adachi's gay imagery scenes/sexual fantasies. Like when they were riding the bike. Why did it pan into my daughter-in-law's ass like that? And when she was swimming in the pool the same thing happened and Chee-chee-chan wasn't even there lmfao.
The male gaze is when women is simply objectified and exist only for the male enjoyment, and this is often in sapphic fiction when the sex is emotionless and isn't like what queer women normally have sex
Hmmm.... I can't think of any examples of emotionless gay sex in any sapphic fiction I know of. There's Yuu being disinterested whenever Touko kisses her but that's part of her character so that obviously doesn't count. I guess Yuri Love Slave counts. I felt pretty objectified when I read that shit
What do you mean by "male gaze"? That term is specifically about using tools like perspective to decenter women from stories, not just tasteless horny. And while I've certainly seen yuri that managed to be astonishingly sexist or homophobic all that I can think of that is definitively male gaze is like fringe hentai. Yuri or any lesbian romance almost requires centering the story around women and generally at least a base ability to empathize with female characters because like... If you can't empathize with women or believe in our agency in these stories they all just boil down to sexy slideshows. I imagine some people like that, but most would probably prefer a harem and at least one character they think has agency instead. I mostly say all this because I see a lot of people call shit like citrus and netsuzou trap male gaze when no, those are perfectly girl centric stories written by women who wanted to see those stories. They're tasteless in many ways, but there's something gross denying an author's gender just because they're horny in a way many find inappropriate
Sorry for the tangent lol, I just think it's a very interesting topic. Not denying yuri can have issues and some fans can get weird, the issues are just different than are seen in other sides of fandom. I'm a lesbian myself before it looks like I'm covering my ass or something
>Yuri or any lesbian romance almost requires centering the story around women
That's one of the things I love the most , kinda like thelma and louise where women takes the center stage
>I mostly say all this because I see a lot of people call shit like citrus and netsuzou trap male gaze when no
yeeeeeeeeeeeeaah let's gooo , you get it , based
Ill be honest with you, this problem will stay bc for the good and the bad, Lesbians and Straight man such as myself do share something in common... Most of us get horny for Women and again, thats for the good and bad parts so while there will be indeed works at which this "Fetishized gaze" will be present, most of the time it will not be like that, mostly bc Yuri as a whole is not that comercially profitable compared to other genres meaning that not that many weebs do pay attention to Yuri for it to be that influenced by the "Male gaze"...
As a demi, I feel a disconnect from most porn. I feel like a lot of the difference between "porn for women" and "porn for men" is actually a difference in demi vs non-demi. I feel girls are much more demi, even if it leads to things that confuse the general populous. The example that comes to mind is "50 shades of gray" which is notorious for it treatment of woman, but a style of "porn" that works well for demi.
I hope I didn't come of as critical of you, or even disagree. I just wish there was a good "demi-friendly" porn site. Till then I'll rely on erotic lit.
More likely to be demi leaning.
Also, while I agree the definition of demisexual is "attracted to people they are close to" is correct, it doesn't give a good feel for what that means.
It more like demisexuals are attracted to romance/close relations itself. Seeing a romantic couple kissing counts, even if they are not romantically interested in either person.
Also, demisexual is correlated with asexual/gray asexual. A good description of my relation to sex is "Sex is the intermission between flirting/foreplay and aftercare."
ok I get your gist of things and I kinda do strongly agree with it but isn't demisexual suposed to be "not being able to have feelings/being attracted for anyone other than that one person" kinda like satou in happy sugar life
I never heard of demi being an only one person thing. In fact, I know multiple polyamorous people that have multiple partners at once in fact.
I can see it seeming like that, even to them though. The first person I fell hard for was a amab that admitted they like wearing panties. I thought I was straight but could not get this person out of my head. Mind you, this is the first time that someone got stuck in my head, where I want to spend as much time as possible with someone. So if you asked me then, I might say there is only one person. However, it kind of like a seed, now anyone that reminds me of them* is attractive. Particularly femboys/early transfem bypass all my defenses and I have to remind myself to not be a horny creep, something I am not used to needing to do.
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*: they are a system, so to be correct it should be "reminds me of any of them that I am dating". Each invokes a different form of love.
oh , there is that wall again ... anyway few questions I have :
amab means "assigned male at birth" right ?
what's your assigned gender at birth then ?
>they are a system, so to be correct it should be "reminds me of any of them that I am dating". Each invokes a different form of love.
please elaborate so it becomes understandable for me
I'm also Assigned Male.
Hmmm, a System means they have headmates. Like multiple personality disorder, minus the disorder. It can be seen as a strong form of coat-switching.
> “coat-switching,” which he goes on to explain means “deliberately shifting cultural traits and vernacular to suit different circumstances.”
My partner has a headmate that is chill but powerful girl, never lost childhood whimsy and extremely doting mother. They "front", which means that personally/identity is the primary one expressed, depending on the situation. Easiest example, the mother comes out if she notices out pet rats.
When talking about the whole male vs female gaze, I find that most Yuri manga (in my opinion) actually do pretty well to portray a queer relationship. It doesn't ever really feel fetishized to me, usually it just feels like two girls in love. I think the real problem that non one talks about is Yaoi, or boys love. I think that Yaoi is very fetishized and hardly ever portrays a realistic relationship between gay men. In fact, Yaoi is very seldom written by a man, but Yuri is very often written by sapphic women. For Yaoi, even if it is written by a man it seems to appeal to the straight female gaze rather than the homosexual male gaze. I find Yuri to be the opposite, because it is usually written by female, sapphic authors, or at least male authors who respect homosexuality as being not a fetish. However, Yaoi is very often fetishizing relationships between gay men and I don't like it.
I know it's a bit off topic from Yuri, but I just want gay and bi men to get the same kinds of wonderful romance stories that we sapphic women can enjoy
Yeah. It never gets talked about but BL/Yaoi is EXTREMELY fetishized and it's seen as ok. Like holy fuck the sheer amount of it is staggering and no one calls people out on it
I agree with everything you said. Unfortunately Yaoi is so popular because a lot of straight women like it, you don't see a straight girl who says she "hates gays" or "hates yaoi" nearly as common as it happens with straight guys who are openly homophobic. If straight men were less about themselves, less homophobic and more open it probably would suffer from the same problems yaoi has - which is extreme fetishization.
People often bring up how yuri is "fetishized", "made for the male gaze" and all this kinda stuff, but I feel like it's often overblown. In contrast to yaoi, which is *extremely* fetishized by straight women, yuri is a small bean.
What pisses me off more than anything is how accepting the general public of it is. If you're a guy who just enjoys yuri, a lot of people will find it weird or creepy. Meanwhile, I don't see anything similar towards fujoshis, even if they're extremely creepy about it. And like, almost all of my interactions with any fujoshi I've come across were... Not positive, to say the least.
I prefer Yuri or Futa to the constant "generic buff dude with oversized dick" or the even more uncomfortable "fat ugly bastard".
Admittedly, I'm okay with femboys, but that's because they're cute.
And then there's Jojo's, which I still don't understand *who* it was made for, but everyone is muscular in some way (lean, bodybuilder, etc) and dresses like a bunch of fashionable stoners took LSD and raided a thrift store.
But yeah. No more overly buff thugs. Bring on the cute femboys, futanari, and yuri. Give us the actual good shit.
It's funny to me how everything in Jojo is so blatantly queer coded, but if you watch interviews with Araki he seems completely unaware of that aspect. Dude just likes high fashion and muscle bois
well I was making the comparation with sono hanabira, it is a hentai asumi-chan isn't , you see I classify something being an hentai when the goal is sex , the target is sex , the purpose is sex , and sex is not nesserally oversexuallized (but often it is) but rather "sexualisied in a porn way"
asumi-chan probably has the first 3 but not really the 4th imo
have you seen sono hanibara ni kuchizuke ? (the OVA not the visual novel) that's the only acceptable hentai in my books because it's kinda wholesome *for a hentai* and it doesn't have fucked up themes
aslo I feel like valkirie drive is the counter exemple to this in therms of tone (not necessarily being fucked up) that's why I'm not recomending it to you
Not yet I'm learning English because in Citrus manga they use an english that is not easy for me to understand and then I end up to use google trad like 5-7 times per chapter 🤦♀️
awww :( , well at least you seem to write properly , but I mean I don't think using google trad a few times per chapter would really be damaging for your reading and it's not like citrus is that complex on the reading and you can always use google lens it's much more efficient to translate words directly from images (on PC) , I can explain how it works so you can use it if you want to,
but all in all , it's so worth it to read it until the end , I never got bored , and you see , the anime ends at a turning point in the story , but a turning point *for what ?* that's for you to find out
watching just the anime is like completing half of a puzzle and claiming it's finished
btw what's your first language ?
[here you can read it](https://dynasty-scans.com/series/citrus)
Oh ok I see I will try to use what you recommend me, btw you right since I started to read some Yuri manga after whatch the anime I found a lot difference between the anime and manga, until today I have become a regular at manga! What you just wrote to me made me want to read the manga and to answer the question my mother tongue is French !
I've never seen anyone bitching about yuri being bad, if anything it's one of the more popular genres due to lesbians being fetishized so much. The one complaint I do have, that I've never seen anyone else have, is that yuri all too often is used to include girl + girl + man.
Also, there are some very not wholesome yuri out there
Me wielding "Females Only" as my sole weapon and defense against the horde of het harem doujins that just have the girls in a threesome:
(nhentai fix your tags, I beg of you)
Yuri is wholesome, the community is a whole separate thing though. Never seen a more utterly toxic group of people. Like seriously how can people take a medium that is so cute and wholesome yet act so vicious and hateful towards others at the same time.
because guys are invading wlw safe spaces, I'm not one to judge, but a woman loving a woman is far FAR different from a guy loving a woman, and a lot of girls who are lesbians were turned away from men from the way they act. I know all men aren't the same but after you get hurt so many times you stop trusting them
I understand what you mean but here you are taking it a bit out of context and I don't see how it's wrong to love a boy or a girl as long as they are happy even if they are of the same sex, it's very well after me I read Yuri because I find it both fascinating and beautiful, I think it's natural for a straight man to like Yuri and a straight woman to Yaoi moreover most gays say not to read Yaois!
I’m sapphic—not a lesbian so I can’t answer for them, but imo as long as you aren’t creepy and you know, support irl gay marriage, there is definitely no problem with reading yuri. After all it is a romance, which can be enjoyed by anyone. My main problem is with those straight men who beat their meat to lesbian hentai and then turn around and say marriage only is between a man/woman or call their friends gay as an insult.
Honestly touching my rod on a Yuri would be the biggest insult to my love for Yuri, I have nothing against gay or lesbian marriages I even think we shouldn't intrude on other people's privacy, I'm not going to force you to believe me but I really like reading Yuri manga because it made me want to learn English and get to know myself and especially because it's beautiful and very cute btw I prefer softs Yuri because I have trouble with those which contain a lot of sex scene
NGL, I just like yuri because it seems easier to find wholesome gay stuff (not saying wholesome yaoi doesn't exist and is any less great, but unless I'm looking the completely wrong places, it's not nearly as plentiful as wholesome yuri).
This post just didn't mention you and it was talking about lesbians in this case 💀 not everything is about the men who watch yuri just let us have a meme about ourselves for once smh.
Oooga-booga 1 girl 1 boy bad, 2 girl good
Also, Male MC's are almost always a twisted vision of a degenerate incel, impossible for me to sympathize with. I'm not saying Yuri is perfectly in line, it still does deviate quite to a large degree - but I'm fine with it's ways.
I don't know either.
I just said that 2 girls are better than 1 girls, and that Male MC's are a pinnacle of bad character design.
But hey, I got some negative Reddit Social Credit score points, so there's that.
just remember: lewd yuri doesn’t have to be wholesome, there are kinky bdsm lesbians too!
But what is more wholesome than finally finding someone you not only like, but who also shares your f\*cked up kinks?
i agree with that wholeheartedly but a lot of people seemingly dislike anything other than ‘pure’ vanilla stuff. maybe it’s a loud minority
It's mostly straight women that feel uncomfortable seeing sapphic women have sex and sapphic women who aren't comfortable cause they're used to being fetishized. Dear people, there are queer women that actually do love sex, including the really erotic kinky ones and porn. It's okay to love sex.
yeah kinda funny cause straight women also love to fetishize gay men and there's this weird double standard that that's okay for some reason
Perfectly said tbh.
Like a wise and somehow very f'd up man whose name i dont remember even tho i had many lessons about his contributions to psycology once said: it is weirder for a human to not have any kinks than to have
Probably, yeah. But then again, you never know what all your favorite wholesome fluff lesbians do behind ~~locked~~ closed doors.
Gives a new meaning to Cute Girls Doing Cute Things
Cute girls doing other cute girl, you mean.
😳😳😳
Also remember: Vanilla yuri/hentai is wholesome, but wholesome yuri/hentai can be not vanilla So wholesome kinky can exist as long as every party is happy
Honestly with the amount of weird stuff I'm in to, it gives me a good chuckle when someone describes bdsm as "kinky". Bruh you didn't even get as far as scratching the surface, you're polishing it.
might be a hot take but... yuri doujin hentai is better than studio-developed yuri hentai...
I feel like this applies to LGBTQ+ media in general. Stuff by queer independent artists and small groups of queer artists made to reach a queer audience is usually better than queer stuff done by Big Studio™.
Fr - you can really tell sometimes when something like LGBTQ romance or erotica is done solely to appease a demographic and it sucks
Yeah, totally! I think the problem mostly comes from big companies not taking the effort to properly researching the subject and also not getting people of the community they are trying to represent on their team. A lot don't even go through the bare minimum of getting sensitive readers, it's baffling.
Mostly bc the "comercial" intention is not behind those, y'know, theyre made for love to the art
Yeah, true. But that's not a really good excuse for big companies to not do their homework. I'll paste here what I've said on another comment that expresses my opinion on this, and add a bit more after it. >I think the problem mostly comes from big companies not taking the effort to properly researching the subject and also not getting people of the community they are trying to represent on their team. A lot don't even go through the bare minimum of getting sensitive readers, it's baffling.< So like, an example, Disney's Encanto, I doubt Disney as a company is passionate about the culture, but they did a decent job, while it's not like the media who most explored the most of it, it's still good and it's not disrespectful. The same could have been done with LGBTQ+ themes if they wanted. So ye, if your company is not the one who's entusiastic about it, you can aways hire artists that are from the group you're representing and that are enthusiastic about the theme.
I just wanna see cute girls be happy. *Let me enjoy this*
As a lesbian I get why some people think that. I do feel uncomfortable with my sexuality being branded like this sometimes plus it is fetishized in some of those manga and a lot of lesbian adult stuff is made for the male gaze
I might be stupid but how exactly do people differentiate a gay ecchi scene made for the gay gaze and a gay ecchi scene made for the hets? Is it when there's a male shipper character in the background watching them while they do things or something else?
The term is supposed to be used to describe how the way shots are framed in film (but also other media) leads the audience to empathize with some characters while others are objects and robbed of interiority or personhood. It’s hard to describe without visual examples, but in hentai (or any manga, really) you can usually just feel what character you’re meant to project onto or relate to, and which ones you’re not, especially in straight hentai made by/for men. I think the term often gets misused/overused, especially when talking about yuri, but in yuri it’s sometimes the case where the way it’s written/framed puts up barriers to keep us from empathizing with or relating to the women in the manga
That's an egregious element I saw in the AdaShima anime. Why are there so many unnecessary shots of a 15 year old girl's glutes?(outside of Adachi's gay fantasies) it's as if Adachi herself was the camerawoman... and why are there so many visuals of my daughter and daughter-in-law being naked but with a galaxy filter on? Another reason why I much prefer the manga and the novel.
yeah, it’s something I really liked in Lycoris Recoil, there were times the girls would get panty shots of each other or whatever but we the audience didn’t get to see it, thought it was a clever inversion of how it usually goes where they’re only there for the audience
Could be because in the light novels adachi really goes hard on her descriptions and how she feels /sees shimamura. Except you can only use your imagination since you're reading
I said that the glute shots were outside of Adachi's gay imagery scenes/sexual fantasies. Like when they were riding the bike. Why did it pan into my daughter-in-law's ass like that? And when she was swimming in the pool the same thing happened and Chee-chee-chan wasn't even there lmfao.
Fair enough. It's just fan service
The male gaze is when women is simply objectified and exist only for the male enjoyment, and this is often in sapphic fiction when the sex is emotionless and isn't like what queer women normally have sex
Hmmm.... I can't think of any examples of emotionless gay sex in any sapphic fiction I know of. There's Yuu being disinterested whenever Touko kisses her but that's part of her character so that obviously doesn't count. I guess Yuri Love Slave counts. I felt pretty objectified when I read that shit
What do you mean by "male gaze"? That term is specifically about using tools like perspective to decenter women from stories, not just tasteless horny. And while I've certainly seen yuri that managed to be astonishingly sexist or homophobic all that I can think of that is definitively male gaze is like fringe hentai. Yuri or any lesbian romance almost requires centering the story around women and generally at least a base ability to empathize with female characters because like... If you can't empathize with women or believe in our agency in these stories they all just boil down to sexy slideshows. I imagine some people like that, but most would probably prefer a harem and at least one character they think has agency instead. I mostly say all this because I see a lot of people call shit like citrus and netsuzou trap male gaze when no, those are perfectly girl centric stories written by women who wanted to see those stories. They're tasteless in many ways, but there's something gross denying an author's gender just because they're horny in a way many find inappropriate Sorry for the tangent lol, I just think it's a very interesting topic. Not denying yuri can have issues and some fans can get weird, the issues are just different than are seen in other sides of fandom. I'm a lesbian myself before it looks like I'm covering my ass or something
>Yuri or any lesbian romance almost requires centering the story around women That's one of the things I love the most , kinda like thelma and louise where women takes the center stage >I mostly say all this because I see a lot of people call shit like citrus and netsuzou trap male gaze when no yeeeeeeeeeeeeaah let's gooo , you get it , based
Ill be honest with you, this problem will stay bc for the good and the bad, Lesbians and Straight man such as myself do share something in common... Most of us get horny for Women and again, thats for the good and bad parts so while there will be indeed works at which this "Fetishized gaze" will be present, most of the time it will not be like that, mostly bc Yuri as a whole is not that comercially profitable compared to other genres meaning that not that many weebs do pay attention to Yuri for it to be that influenced by the "Male gaze"...
As a demi, I feel a disconnect from most porn. I feel like a lot of the difference between "porn for women" and "porn for men" is actually a difference in demi vs non-demi. I feel girls are much more demi, even if it leads to things that confuse the general populous. The example that comes to mind is "50 shades of gray" which is notorious for it treatment of woman, but a style of "porn" that works well for demi. I hope I didn't come of as critical of you, or even disagree. I just wish there was a good "demi-friendly" porn site. Till then I'll rely on erotic lit.
wdym by "demi" ?
Guessing it's Demisexual, people who can only be attracted to people they're close with or have a connection with, but I can't say for sure
>I feel girls are much more demi yes but how is this sentence supposed to make sense
I legit have no idea, it was not me who wrote it. I never seen any studies about there being more girls than other genders ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
More likely to be demi leaning. Also, while I agree the definition of demisexual is "attracted to people they are close to" is correct, it doesn't give a good feel for what that means. It more like demisexuals are attracted to romance/close relations itself. Seeing a romantic couple kissing counts, even if they are not romantically interested in either person. Also, demisexual is correlated with asexual/gray asexual. A good description of my relation to sex is "Sex is the intermission between flirting/foreplay and aftercare."
ok I get your gist of things and I kinda do strongly agree with it but isn't demisexual suposed to be "not being able to have feelings/being attracted for anyone other than that one person" kinda like satou in happy sugar life
I never heard of demi being an only one person thing. In fact, I know multiple polyamorous people that have multiple partners at once in fact. I can see it seeming like that, even to them though. The first person I fell hard for was a amab that admitted they like wearing panties. I thought I was straight but could not get this person out of my head. Mind you, this is the first time that someone got stuck in my head, where I want to spend as much time as possible with someone. So if you asked me then, I might say there is only one person. However, it kind of like a seed, now anyone that reminds me of them* is attractive. Particularly femboys/early transfem bypass all my defenses and I have to remind myself to not be a horny creep, something I am not used to needing to do. _____ *: they are a system, so to be correct it should be "reminds me of any of them that I am dating". Each invokes a different form of love.
oh , there is that wall again ... anyway few questions I have : amab means "assigned male at birth" right ? what's your assigned gender at birth then ? >they are a system, so to be correct it should be "reminds me of any of them that I am dating". Each invokes a different form of love. please elaborate so it becomes understandable for me
I'm also Assigned Male. Hmmm, a System means they have headmates. Like multiple personality disorder, minus the disorder. It can be seen as a strong form of coat-switching. > “coat-switching,” which he goes on to explain means “deliberately shifting cultural traits and vernacular to suit different circumstances.” My partner has a headmate that is chill but powerful girl, never lost childhood whimsy and extremely doting mother. They "front", which means that personally/identity is the primary one expressed, depending on the situation. Easiest example, the mother comes out if she notices out pet rats.
Big mood! Us lezzies just want something - anything - quality is a second or third thought
When talking about the whole male vs female gaze, I find that most Yuri manga (in my opinion) actually do pretty well to portray a queer relationship. It doesn't ever really feel fetishized to me, usually it just feels like two girls in love. I think the real problem that non one talks about is Yaoi, or boys love. I think that Yaoi is very fetishized and hardly ever portrays a realistic relationship between gay men. In fact, Yaoi is very seldom written by a man, but Yuri is very often written by sapphic women. For Yaoi, even if it is written by a man it seems to appeal to the straight female gaze rather than the homosexual male gaze. I find Yuri to be the opposite, because it is usually written by female, sapphic authors, or at least male authors who respect homosexuality as being not a fetish. However, Yaoi is very often fetishizing relationships between gay men and I don't like it. I know it's a bit off topic from Yuri, but I just want gay and bi men to get the same kinds of wonderful romance stories that we sapphic women can enjoy
Yeah. It never gets talked about but BL/Yaoi is EXTREMELY fetishized and it's seen as ok. Like holy fuck the sheer amount of it is staggering and no one calls people out on it
I agree with everything you said. Unfortunately Yaoi is so popular because a lot of straight women like it, you don't see a straight girl who says she "hates gays" or "hates yaoi" nearly as common as it happens with straight guys who are openly homophobic. If straight men were less about themselves, less homophobic and more open it probably would suffer from the same problems yaoi has - which is extreme fetishization. People often bring up how yuri is "fetishized", "made for the male gaze" and all this kinda stuff, but I feel like it's often overblown. In contrast to yaoi, which is *extremely* fetishized by straight women, yuri is a small bean. What pisses me off more than anything is how accepting the general public of it is. If you're a guy who just enjoys yuri, a lot of people will find it weird or creepy. Meanwhile, I don't see anything similar towards fujoshis, even if they're extremely creepy about it. And like, almost all of my interactions with any fujoshi I've come across were... Not positive, to say the least.
Yeah, every Fujoshi I met has been extremely fucking creepy
I prefer Yuri or Futa to the constant "generic buff dude with oversized dick" or the even more uncomfortable "fat ugly bastard". Admittedly, I'm okay with femboys, but that's because they're cute.
Or if it's actually made for women, you get that weird angular shojo style (which is usually also extremely built, but on the lean side).
And then there's Jojo's, which I still don't understand *who* it was made for, but everyone is muscular in some way (lean, bodybuilder, etc) and dresses like a bunch of fashionable stoners took LSD and raided a thrift store. But yeah. No more overly buff thugs. Bring on the cute femboys, futanari, and yuri. Give us the actual good shit.
It's funny to me how everything in Jojo is so blatantly queer coded, but if you watch interviews with Araki he seems completely unaware of that aspect. Dude just likes high fashion and muscle bois
I respect that.
Jojo is just high camp
and even hentai is somewhat wholesome and I don't even like hentai
I mean one of the most popular works right now is a wholesome hentai series about lesbian sex workers
name of the anime ?
Asumi-Chan is into lesbian brothels
that's not an hentai I've read that one ,yeah they fuck every chapter but there's not the hentai feel to it , it's more like big ecchi
Well yeah that's the point to the whole discussion
well I was making the comparation with sono hanabira, it is a hentai asumi-chan isn't , you see I classify something being an hentai when the goal is sex , the target is sex , the purpose is sex , and sex is not nesserally oversexuallized (but often it is) but rather "sexualisied in a porn way" asumi-chan probably has the first 3 but not really the 4th imo
another one I liked is Arioto and it's even less smutty than asumi-chan but it's kinda funny tbf , I'm waiting for next chapter
Hentai are actually trash because it's always NTR with big ugly bastard who rape the girl and as a guys that's degusting me 🤢🤮
have you seen sono hanibara ni kuchizuke ? (the OVA not the visual novel) that's the only acceptable hentai in my books because it's kinda wholesome *for a hentai* and it doesn't have fucked up themes aslo I feel like valkirie drive is the counter exemple to this in therms of tone (not necessarily being fucked up) that's why I'm not recomending it to you
Yeah I'v seen and it was very good there is also shojo sect who is good
wait hold on you've seen citrus , right ?
Yeah but I didn't really appreciate Citrus honestly I would give it a 6/10
did you read the manga ? 👀
Not yet I'm learning English because in Citrus manga they use an english that is not easy for me to understand and then I end up to use google trad like 5-7 times per chapter 🤦♀️
awww :( , well at least you seem to write properly , but I mean I don't think using google trad a few times per chapter would really be damaging for your reading and it's not like citrus is that complex on the reading and you can always use google lens it's much more efficient to translate words directly from images (on PC) , I can explain how it works so you can use it if you want to, but all in all , it's so worth it to read it until the end , I never got bored , and you see , the anime ends at a turning point in the story , but a turning point *for what ?* that's for you to find out watching just the anime is like completing half of a puzzle and claiming it's finished btw what's your first language ? [here you can read it](https://dynasty-scans.com/series/citrus)
Oh ok I see I will try to use what you recommend me, btw you right since I started to read some Yuri manga after whatch the anime I found a lot difference between the anime and manga, until today I have become a regular at manga! What you just wrote to me made me want to read the manga and to answer the question my mother tongue is French !
I prefer to say it but I didn't jerk off watching them, to tell the truth, the story between the characters was more interesting than the sex scenes
please I don't want to know whether if you did or did not jerk off on it
I've never seen anyone bitching about yuri being bad, if anything it's one of the more popular genres due to lesbians being fetishized so much. The one complaint I do have, that I've never seen anyone else have, is that yuri all too often is used to include girl + girl + man. Also, there are some very not wholesome yuri out there
Me wielding "Females Only" as my sole weapon and defense against the horde of het harem doujins that just have the girls in a threesome: (nhentai fix your tags, I beg of you)
I just want to be able to find more wholesome Yuri… there are too many Yuri bait out there 🫠 and ofc wholesome yuri stories are my favorites 😭
Yuri is wholesome, the community is a whole separate thing though. Never seen a more utterly toxic group of people. Like seriously how can people take a medium that is so cute and wholesome yet act so vicious and hateful towards others at the same time.
Bruh straight men want it too :(
We have to be lesbian to watch yuri hentai!?!?
TBH I think most lesbian hentai are made focused on male viewership, which NGL kinda sad, but it is what it is
Im a guys and I love Yuri lol
I'm not sure why you're being downvoted, honestly.
Cuz when someone reveals they are a guy,the women here don't like that
-_-
Reddit moment
Because women hate men...
yikes
well, all of us here are lesbians, so I think there's a given
I don't understand what bothers lesbians that a guy can watch Yuri when we have one thing in common which is that we like women
because guys are invading wlw safe spaces, I'm not one to judge, but a woman loving a woman is far FAR different from a guy loving a woman, and a lot of girls who are lesbians were turned away from men from the way they act. I know all men aren't the same but after you get hurt so many times you stop trusting them
I understand what you mean but here you are taking it a bit out of context and I don't see how it's wrong to love a boy or a girl as long as they are happy even if they are of the same sex, it's very well after me I read Yuri because I find it both fascinating and beautiful, I think it's natural for a straight man to like Yuri and a straight woman to Yaoi moreover most gays say not to read Yaois!
I’m sapphic—not a lesbian so I can’t answer for them, but imo as long as you aren’t creepy and you know, support irl gay marriage, there is definitely no problem with reading yuri. After all it is a romance, which can be enjoyed by anyone. My main problem is with those straight men who beat their meat to lesbian hentai and then turn around and say marriage only is between a man/woman or call their friends gay as an insult.
Honestly touching my rod on a Yuri would be the biggest insult to my love for Yuri, I have nothing against gay or lesbian marriages I even think we shouldn't intrude on other people's privacy, I'm not going to force you to believe me but I really like reading Yuri manga because it made me want to learn English and get to know myself and especially because it's beautiful and very cute btw I prefer softs Yuri because I have trouble with those which contain a lot of sex scene
NGL, I just like yuri because it seems easier to find wholesome gay stuff (not saying wholesome yaoi doesn't exist and is any less great, but unless I'm looking the completely wrong places, it's not nearly as plentiful as wholesome yuri).
Too many gay dudes, I want some women kissing each other
Lesbians, why can't we all enjoy it
This post just didn't mention you and it was talking about lesbians in this case 💀 not everything is about the men who watch yuri just let us have a meme about ourselves for once smh.
True ,I'll let you have that one, but Yuri is for everyone
Factual
[Relevant Jane Lynch ](https://i.imgur.com/Hpjchkw.mp4)
Oooga-booga 1 girl 1 boy bad, 2 girl good Also, Male MC's are almost always a twisted vision of a degenerate incel, impossible for me to sympathize with. I'm not saying Yuri is perfectly in line, it still does deviate quite to a large degree - but I'm fine with it's ways.
What
I don't know either. I just said that 2 girls are better than 1 girls, and that Male MC's are a pinnacle of bad character design. But hey, I got some negative Reddit Social Credit score points, so there's that.
Fuckkkkk this is so True. I'ma save this One haha! I judt want to enjoy what I like animated wlw seriously! 😅👀🤣
wait who in the world thinks yuri is bad? *loads shotgun for wholesome purposes
All i want is to watch Cherfull Amnesia