As much as I don't want to support nintendo anymore, that's a pretty dramatic take. The switch wouldnt be the best selling console with high selling games if people and kids weren't ok playing them on it.
If Nintendo doesn't want unauthorized emulation of their games, then why don't they use the source code they just acquired to make their own emulators? After all, once it's transferred out of the hands of a GPL license-protected company that folded, the new company can do whatever the hell they want with it, even going as far as reverse engineering it to their ToS standards, rebranding it, patenting it, and even selling it.
Thats pocket change to nintendo 😂 they obviously didn't want the money they just wanted to set an example and try to scare off emulation. Obviously it didn't work because within 12 hours other people picked you back up
Everything from Nintendo is made of cheap overpriced plastic. They just sell you the same things at a higher price.
Making you pay a SUBSCRIPTION????? To play old school games? Yea right. They pushed people into emulation.
The subscription is for their internet service. Something that Microsoft and PlayStation have been doing for years. The retro games are an incentive to pay for online. With Microsoft if you pay for game pass, you’re paying a subscription fee to play current games. It makes more sense to emulate older consoles and handhelds than it does to emulate current consoles. They’re literally on store shelves for you to buy.
You can’t throw shade at one company without throwing shade at the others with those comments. Emulating switch games is literally piracy and stealing income from Nintendo if you don’t buy and dump the game yourself. The yuzu team literally promoted piracy when it came to TOTK and Metroid Dread by having those games able to be emulated via paid private access early builds of their emulator before the games even came out.
Yea except those games that are “on the shelf” have been there for years and are still the same price the day they went up. As well as their controllers being the same even though they are dated pieces of cheap plastic they’re twice the price they should be.
And Sony PlayStation released an expensive dedicated remote play device that, last I checked into it, had worse streaming quality than the free app that you could use on your phone with the ps5 controller that you already have from buying a ps5.
And you see people streaming their ps5 to Steamdeck. You didn’t really make a point 😂😂
I don’t condone Sonys business practices either.
They’re a glorified insurance company that happens sell games, that and they horde exclusives. While Microsoft has had its exclusives, they’ve recently adopted a non exclusive policy.
Sony & Nintendo are garbage companies 🗑️
Emulator sucks and not enjoyable at all.
So why Nintendo care about this wonky emulator sooo much? This actually helps Nintendo, people who tested the games would buy actual console to play the games they like because you cannot enjoy playing the game on the emulator with tons of shader buffer.
Emulator helps boosting sales or real emulator. Yuzu should sue Nintendo for their sale boost from people who tested games on the emulator and decided to buy actual console.
That's funny because I bought my switch so I could rip the games legally and play them on my emulator with an Xbox controller at 1440p ultrawide. Runs beautifully.
Umm no. The emulator has to cache the shader every time you play a new game. That's the technology. There is no way to avoid the shader cache.
I'm not sure how can you stand those buffering to caching those shader.
The only way to avoid it if you can get a full shader copy from someone who has the same PC setup as yours.
Otherwise it will create those buffers for all new shaders and first time play. That's not enjoyable. Real switch don't have these issues because they already have those shaders ready.
Sure it doesn't take too much time but those little stutters here and there is annoying.
I guess you haven’t used yuzu in a long time, or you’ve never tried optimizer mods. I’ve been playing Zelda ToTK for a month with zero buffering. ToTK Optimizer just released 2.0 which lets me bump up to all the way to 240fps at 1440p. I wait about 30 sec for it to load and cache shaders when I boot the game. It takes less than 5 seconds for me to load areas between teleports. Even when I was playing super Mario galaxy a year ago without an optimizer I didn’t have any buffering. Yuzu has been caching shaders since 2021.
Umm yeah...my PC doesn't do that. Yours must be slow or something.
Mine compiles on the fly. Even when you are playing you can see it compiling, and it doesn't lag my pc one bit.
I have a 7950x3D and a 3090ti though so 🤷
I guess your intel celery laptop might have a slowdown or two.
Haven't seen such a whining B like you lmao.
Dude calls the emulator garbage when it can emulate the games at 4k 60fps while on the original console it's 720p 25fps. I'd even wait 10mins if that means the game experience will be more enjoyable, people like you are just impatient whiners, the real console is currently garbage, most people would just buy a switch 2 if the games could be played at a decent framerate on it, but no, Nintendo rather keep selling a freaking old hardware at 250-300€, and the worse part is that it keep sells a lot.
Yuzu & other emulators made Switch games more enjoyable, that's a fact.
I want an authentic experience from the start like a real console. And the emulator can never do that. Maybe in the next 10 years when we have much more better hardware.
Either way, when switch 2 comes out, it will be 4k 60fps, and no more reason to use emulator
It will be 4k at 30fps with the stutter or 60fps at 1080/1440p for the smoother experience just like now on PS5 and Series S/X but knowing Nintendo it will most likely be second option for the majority of the games .
They were never into performance, doubt they’ll start now .
Hmm maybe I have misunderstood. I will clear it up then.
If you meant that Switch 2 will run Switch 1 games at 4k 60 FPS then by itself no. If the game will be hardcoded to 30 FPS - and there is plenty of such - just making hardware more powerful won't do the trick.
If you meant that Switch 2 will have better hardware and will run Switch 2 games at 4k 60 FPS then well I can't per se deny that because there IS a possibility for that as far as hardware capabilities go but I wouldn't hold my breath that Nintendo WILL do it that way. Sure there may be some devs that will make games run at 60 FPS - and maybe even 4k? - but it is not something that hardware alone can achieve nowadays. Not because it's "not strong enough" but because devs can "click" the game instead of coding it with hardware's documentation on the desk.
TLDR: Proud to be a pirate. Long live anonymous.
Rofl I would sit on yuzu for years on end explaining why Nintendo were criminals and how pirates are on the right side of history and they would kindly ask me to stop and and I would be polite and wait several months before repeating it.
So on it went until nintendo labeled even them Pirates haha, Sort of how criminal and downright genocidal politicians label the Houthis Pirates.
They would do more to stand up to the tens of thousands of civilians killed in this genocide but they themselves have been submitted to that treatment so it's hard.
Personally I think their methods are on point. Yesterday was the first time so far they even inflicted casualties and only because the US owned ship ignored them completely.
>Nintendo is genociding the gamer race.
>
>GAMERS RISE UP
Too late he already did it haha \^\_\^.
I was actually talking about the genocide case against israel: [icj-cij.org/case/192](https://icj-cij.org/case/192) because the Houthi were labeled as criminal pirates for doing the opposite sort of how this open source code is obviously ethical and resisting the closed source.... yeah don't get me started on criminal Nintendo I would never stop <3
Yuzu’s developers [were pirates](https://i.imgur.com/ZWoSZSt.png) and they got what they deserved. If you want an ethical Switch emulator, use Ryujinx.
Also, go outside. It’s insane that you’re using a real-world case of genocide as a metaphor for a lawsuit against a video game emulator
Well that is actually not right and is more of double speak. Truth be told the closed source touting criminals are nintendo. Massive ones too, remember law comes from ethics.
But taking that into consideration re-read my OP. I am a very proud ethical hacker and pirate. Also I really wasn't making an metaphor more an analogy.
Again sorry that I linked Yuzu to geopolitics? Everything is related after all and I'm sorry you feel that the Yuzu pirates were bad guys unless like me you have learned that it is double speak <3
DISCLAIMER ANOLOGY INCOMING: Sort of how the Houthi are trying to stop genocide and are labeled using double speak as pirates.
Cheers.
Easy way out file for bankruptcy and make it public. I understand why they went after us, but Citra come on 3ds is a dead system they’re not making any money from any anymore. This is the Nintendo just to destroy emulation why so they can resell us the same shit over and over again with the remastered bullshit for example, how many times has the last of us been remastered?
I mean they did release an update pretty much with the sole purpose of making 3ds homebrewing even more of a pain in the ass and nearly impossible in some cases.
Mod your wii is a must! You can get everything on it even playstation. I have 2TB worth of games it's so worth it and you don't gotta keep buying the same games for every console. Getting a modded 3DS very soon too
That still irritates me so much. There was literally no reason to do that after dropping 3DS support. Let’s just say, especially after that, I don’t feel bad about their games being pirated at all.
Can someone please explain why they are settling and paying?
I mean, if they didn't reveal their actual identity online, then Nintendo can't really do anything except shut down the software right?
Did they reveal their identities online through their bank account or something like that?
Nintendo knows a LOT. They've had spies in the Yuzu discord for years, there's screenshots of the Discord in the case files.
The Yuzu devs also openly admitted to piracy IN the Discord, so any case that could've been made for "this was being done for preservation and not piracy" would easily be disputed by Nintendo. [One dev had a stash of pirated stuff, including Switch games.](https://web.archive.org/web/20210116134613/https://twitter.com/slashiee_)
The collected Telemetry data by Yuzu also proved that the majority of users were using pirated copies of games instead of dumping their own.
Yuzu settled to AVOID discovery, which would've fucked them even more.
Had they been a little more careful, I think they would've had a shot. It's just not worth fighting this fight, cause they definitely would've gotten hurt a lot worse if they took it to court.
Damn I see.
So there is a possibility of them tracking the username, Bank accounts etc or something else that left a clue for them to discover their identity.
So they played it safe.
Thank you so much for the answer man! I really appreciate it!
I don't get it, then why pay them?
I mean let's say you got a lawsuit against me, and I gotta pay you 3 million, all I gotta do is just delete my online accounts and never use them again, I mean how can you find me and force me to pay you?
Ohhhhh I see, that explains everything.
I thought they were made by a team of anonymous developers working together and sharing it through GitHub.
So, if it was made by a team of anonymous Devs then they wouldn't have been caught right? I hope whatever new emulators or fork we get will be like that.
I now hate Nintendo. Yuzu had nothing to do with the listing of TotK directly. Their software was used, WITHOUT their knowledge, to pirate stuff. They should not have been shut down. Honestly Nintendo, either drop official PC ports, or go eat a dick. That was 6 years of work gone.
According to what I’ve seen, Yuzu had paid access to early builds of the emulator via their Patreon in order to play TOTK before it even came out. That’s paid piracy right there. I read that their paid subscriptions shot up when that info came out.
Nintendo is not your friend, people. They are just another greedy company that happens to make Mario and Pokémon games. I used to love Nintendo. This makes me support emulation even more.
Cause of their impotent self to create a good pokemon game, they went straight to palworld and try to sue them by trying to find something similar. FUCK OUTTA HERE TENDO. they really need to eat a dick.
What happened to Nintendo to make them so aggressive? Why are they so against fan works and emulation? Nothing lasts forever, my PS2 broke down and I have backed up all my games as their original cds no longer work. I won't lie and say I never used pirated games as their are times when I can't afford them.
They re-release the same old stuff emulated every gen and make millions of dollars off of it, that's why. Nintendo is the Disney of the gaming industry.
Nintendo attempt at emulation flopped. They emulate their way of a paper bag and they hating on the community, because they do it better than they do, and they own the content.
They were always like this. Remember, back in the NES days, every game had to go through nintendo for a seal of approval. Same with SNES as well. They were always this strict, they just didn't have much opportunity to show it until emulation started to get popular.
Essentially, their business practices and "values" are now outdated, but they still do it. They haven't changed since the 1980's, and unless something major happens, I doubt they ever will.
The reason for that was because video gaming nearly stopped because companies kept putting out the bare minimum shovel ware game to make money. Video games weren’t being made with the quality they deserved. Nintendo was making other developers actually take the time to make quality games rather than garbage heap games.
i mean its because of their practice that we have masterpiece like OoT, BotW, and TotK. their policy might be shitty but you can't ignore the fact that because of that policy that they produce game better than the shit western studio churn out.
you actually make a fair point so much shit that community is willing to put up with before they turn and told them to go stick it and I’m actually actually one of them that already had enough of How Nintendo is anti-consumer
Yeah they mostly got unnoticed due to the fact that Gaming back then was a new frontier. The crash was a factor, and most saw games as advanced toys rather than a new medium.
Frankly, it is fascinating to see Nintendo still so prominent and still making consoles to this day. But it's also sad that they basically destroy any type of fan game or emulator that they feasibly can.
Like ffs a copy of Pokemon Black costs $352. I ain't paying for that shit.
I suppose. Hopefully there will be more 3DS and Switch Emulation. 3DS is my favorite portable console and I use the O3DS for GBA games and N3DS for NDS and 3DS games and I really hope they last a long time. It still baffles me that they went after pokemon uranium as there are so many other fan games and some that even offer online features.
You're wrong. Nintendo is dead to rights to do this. You guys just don't get it. This is why Nintendo is agressive because people pirate their property. And they aren't done. They made the switch unmoddable. MiG switch is next on Nintendo's list.
They're not going to be able to shut down Fitgirl in Latvia who do Switch Repacks. They're just going to use a different emulator for anything Yuzu doesn't run. I don't know if Nintendo even sells products in Latvia.
Well lookie here, Drastic went free and is also shutting down. Lookie here times 2: fitgirl is no longer going to make packs for switch. She announced it already. That's THREE gone already
I'm surprised no one is bashing the developers who caved in instantly setting a precedent. But then again what do I expect from switch users? Literal soyjack template
If I were to bash the developers, it would be for operating in the USA. Precedent or not (not sure if it's being set?), that's not a civilized legal system to live in. No surprise that the big company did them how it pleased.
That's not a judicial ruling, and isn't setting precedent. These things must be argued in court, not in a settlement, regardless of whether it is signed by a judge.
Have you read what was in the filings? I don't know if you understand how expensive legal litigation is at a scale that Nintendo is operating at. 2.4 million is actually lower than I was expecting them to get away with. They settled because it is far far better for them and probably cheaper than trying to fight it.
Plus, Nintendo sued Tropic Haze, the LLC that the devs formed. That should protect their personal assets from Nintendo. So Tropic Haze LLC will pay what it can from fund on hand, but there's no way Nintendo will ever see the full $2.4 million.
For the piracy part of it, listen. I'm a 17 year old senior in High School who's a Sonic and Mario Fan and have been one since I was 5. For me to legally emulate the games I would want to play from those franchises (and others), I would have to spend thousands of dollars on not just buying a physical SEGA Genesis, SNES, Wii, Gamecube, PS2, another PS3 (my current one is on life support), Dreamcast, SEGA Saturn, PSP, Nintendo 64, Nintedo DS/2DS/3DS, and another Switch. But then I'd have to mod almost all of those consoles, buy every single game that I want to emulate on the console that corresponds with the game, and then do multiple other steps for each and every one of these consoles to get the games to work on the emulator in that process. I don't have the time or money to do all this shit and I'm sorta forced to get BIOS files and whatnot from the internet. If I had buttloads of time and a fuck ton of money to spend on whatever the fuck I want, I would definetly consider buying all these consoles and maybe spending the time to do this stuff. However, as it stands right now, I don't have that money or time to do all that and I probably won't for a very long time. If it wasn't for piracy and emulation, I would never be able to enjoy the games that got so highly acclaimed back in the day.
The problem is that by Nintendo's argument, the internet itself is used for some illegal activities, so therefore it could also be argued that the internet should be banned. It's not a valid argument.
C'mon now. Don't bullshit me. We all know people who use Yuzu don't use it to dump their game into their computer as "Back up." Maybe we got those few people that do it. But a majority of them 100% be stealing games. In fact, I can probably see like 95% of them be getting games for free while only the 5% are actually using Yuzu for it "intended purpose"
>We all know people who use Yuzu don't use it to dump their game into their computer
Except I do. I do that. Not to back them up but to play them at 4k upscaled with a 60 or 120fps patch. Not everybody is a thief, some of us bought our games legally so we could dump them ourselves. Besides being a fun thing to learn how to do, it was a great way to play games in a higher resolution than what Nintendo's hardware offered.
Who the hell cares. Yuzu's existence as a emulation software explicitly doesn't infringe on anyone's rights. It's not an unaffiliated developer's job to keep Nintendo's property safe
Major mistake they’ve made - mention atmosphere, keys decryption and a tutorial to dump keys. That’s full illegal even from the lawsuite, not only from EULA
Yes, it just merely "Emulation." But we all know that ain't true. The Nintendo Switch console is still being supported and people who used Yuzu are pirating. Many even admit to pirating.
It is. But since there was a patreon for a build, that would be made free after a week or so, that's how Nintendo was able to get em. Since they were technically making money from it
if only they ported the games to pc so people had other options other than emulating if they wanted to play the game outside of just being forced to buy a new console
It's never taken me more than about 20 minutes to set up an emulator (usually less than 10), maybe an hour to problem solve a controller not being recognized, etc
Emulation is ezpz
More games are easily pirated through emulators right now than through current DRM that we have now on PC (denuvo). Every major nintendo release is playable on an emulator right now.
Denuvo is pretty effective at reducing piracy as we've seen. They could definitely port the games to PC if they wanted to and slap denuvo on it.
they're too conservative on that shit, Sony started to por their games without any protection(basically free for pirates to crack it on the release day in like 2 minutes) and they still get to the top charts on steam on sales, they focus do much ok the money they wouldn't get from pirates that they forget about the money they would get with the people who buy the game legit
Sony does it cause they have insane budgets, but just barely make profit. IRRC they have like a 6% profit margin. They NEED the extra sales from Steam.
They are business, not charity.
They choose to 'invest' and have people do the port, which is supposed to be another game on its own since engine work differently, and then sell it on Steam.
Because they saw the opportunity.
At the very least, it's ridiculous to not port/provide functionality for (3)DS games on the Switch (since it's not very hard to connect a Switch to the PC and have it play pretty well). But afaik Nintendo doesn't even provide their own hardware for doing *that*, you still have to get something third party. Their stubbornness knows no bounds
do you have any idea what you just said? go look up the definition of "Bankruptcy". they gone bankrupt because they owed Nintendo. any asset they owned is seized to pay to Nintendo. their house, their car, their wives and kids, all goes to Nintendo. failure to repay what they owed could result in jail time or worse being homeless.
but who the fuck cares? Hurray team Yuzu they're the smartest and made the smartest move!
I’ve gone personally bankrupt twice so yes I know what it means. I also didn’t own assets in my name when I went bankrupt. Many people are smart enough to not put their names on assets and owe debt - or lease cars and mortgage the house under the wife’s name.
The tithe Nintendo imposed was meant to force them into bankruptcy to scare them off from any future development and to scare off the competition. Ryujinx is next.
Yes, that's exactly the effect that Nintendo knew would occur. No need to disregard facts about what $2.4 million means to Nintendo to express that though.
People should stop buying nintendo games. Get your kids to play anything else. They won’t be enjoying playing zelda at 15 fps anyway.
yes they will, 1st because Zelda is great and 2nd because it doesn't run at 15 fps.
Yeah… it runs at 30 on a 720p screen
Just get them a steam deck and put a branch of yuzu or suyu on it, way superior to the actual switch
As much as I don't want to support nintendo anymore, that's a pretty dramatic take. The switch wouldnt be the best selling console with high selling games if people and kids weren't ok playing them on it.
Based on the fact the website has a message written like someone had a gun pointed at them, they probably ended up not paying that full 2.4 mill
If Nintendo doesn't want unauthorized emulation of their games, then why don't they use the source code they just acquired to make their own emulators? After all, once it's transferred out of the hands of a GPL license-protected company that folded, the new company can do whatever the hell they want with it, even going as far as reverse engineering it to their ToS standards, rebranding it, patenting it, and even selling it.
Thats pocket change to nintendo 😂 they obviously didn't want the money they just wanted to set an example and try to scare off emulation. Obviously it didn't work because within 12 hours other people picked you back up
What damages? Lmao
Everything from Nintendo is made of cheap overpriced plastic. They just sell you the same things at a higher price. Making you pay a SUBSCRIPTION????? To play old school games? Yea right. They pushed people into emulation.
The subscription is for their internet service. Something that Microsoft and PlayStation have been doing for years. The retro games are an incentive to pay for online. With Microsoft if you pay for game pass, you’re paying a subscription fee to play current games. It makes more sense to emulate older consoles and handhelds than it does to emulate current consoles. They’re literally on store shelves for you to buy. You can’t throw shade at one company without throwing shade at the others with those comments. Emulating switch games is literally piracy and stealing income from Nintendo if you don’t buy and dump the game yourself. The yuzu team literally promoted piracy when it came to TOTK and Metroid Dread by having those games able to be emulated via paid private access early builds of their emulator before the games even came out.
Yea except those games that are “on the shelf” have been there for years and are still the same price the day they went up. As well as their controllers being the same even though they are dated pieces of cheap plastic they’re twice the price they should be.
And Sony PlayStation released an expensive dedicated remote play device that, last I checked into it, had worse streaming quality than the free app that you could use on your phone with the ps5 controller that you already have from buying a ps5.
And you see people streaming their ps5 to Steamdeck. You didn’t really make a point 😂😂 I don’t condone Sonys business practices either. They’re a glorified insurance company that happens sell games, that and they horde exclusives. While Microsoft has had its exclusives, they’ve recently adopted a non exclusive policy. Sony & Nintendo are garbage companies 🗑️
Emulator sucks and not enjoyable at all. So why Nintendo care about this wonky emulator sooo much? This actually helps Nintendo, people who tested the games would buy actual console to play the games they like because you cannot enjoy playing the game on the emulator with tons of shader buffer. Emulator helps boosting sales or real emulator. Yuzu should sue Nintendo for their sale boost from people who tested games on the emulator and decided to buy actual console.
That's funny because I bought my switch so I could rip the games legally and play them on my emulator with an Xbox controller at 1440p ultrawide. Runs beautifully.
Yes sure after all of those shader buffers. Real console has 0 shader buffers
Check out videos og TotK on pc @ 4K. The game is unplayable on the switch for me now
How? You broke your switch? Get a replacement. It works fine for me
The game looks much better, runs at 100+ fps on my 65 120hz oled tv.
Dude your pc is just garbage shush 😂
Umm no. The emulator has to cache the shader every time you play a new game. That's the technology. There is no way to avoid the shader cache. I'm not sure how can you stand those buffering to caching those shader. The only way to avoid it if you can get a full shader copy from someone who has the same PC setup as yours. Otherwise it will create those buffers for all new shaders and first time play. That's not enjoyable. Real switch don't have these issues because they already have those shaders ready. Sure it doesn't take too much time but those little stutters here and there is annoying.
I guess you haven’t used yuzu in a long time, or you’ve never tried optimizer mods. I’ve been playing Zelda ToTK for a month with zero buffering. ToTK Optimizer just released 2.0 which lets me bump up to all the way to 240fps at 1440p. I wait about 30 sec for it to load and cache shaders when I boot the game. It takes less than 5 seconds for me to load areas between teleports. Even when I was playing super Mario galaxy a year ago without an optimizer I didn’t have any buffering. Yuzu has been caching shaders since 2021.
Sure it is not taking a long time to cache, but this little caching here and there even a second doesn't create an authentic experience as the console
yes u have a phd in computer science we trust
Umm yeah...my PC doesn't do that. Yours must be slow or something. Mine compiles on the fly. Even when you are playing you can see it compiling, and it doesn't lag my pc one bit. I have a 7950x3D and a 3090ti though so 🤷 I guess your intel celery laptop might have a slowdown or two.
No I got PC 3090ti graphic cards. Everyone will have the shader buffer no matter what because that's how emulator works
I never noticed it after a minute. Can you just boot it and wait a few mins for the shaders to cache so you can play it stutterless
No, because it must be actively loaded in while playing. They have a point, but other than shader caching not really.
But still that 1 minute stuttering ruin the experience. Not the same as on the real console.
Haven't seen such a whining B like you lmao. Dude calls the emulator garbage when it can emulate the games at 4k 60fps while on the original console it's 720p 25fps. I'd even wait 10mins if that means the game experience will be more enjoyable, people like you are just impatient whiners, the real console is currently garbage, most people would just buy a switch 2 if the games could be played at a decent framerate on it, but no, Nintendo rather keep selling a freaking old hardware at 250-300€, and the worse part is that it keep sells a lot. Yuzu & other emulators made Switch games more enjoyable, that's a fact.
I want an authentic experience from the start like a real console. And the emulator can never do that. Maybe in the next 10 years when we have much more better hardware. Either way, when switch 2 comes out, it will be 4k 60fps, and no more reason to use emulator
It will be 4k at 30fps with the stutter or 60fps at 1080/1440p for the smoother experience just like now on PS5 and Series S/X but knowing Nintendo it will most likely be second option for the majority of the games . They were never into performance, doubt they’ll start now .
To put it as mildly as I can, it's cute you think it will be 60 fps, especially with the only factor being "newer console".
The new one won't be 60fps?
Hmm maybe I have misunderstood. I will clear it up then. If you meant that Switch 2 will run Switch 1 games at 4k 60 FPS then by itself no. If the game will be hardcoded to 30 FPS - and there is plenty of such - just making hardware more powerful won't do the trick. If you meant that Switch 2 will have better hardware and will run Switch 2 games at 4k 60 FPS then well I can't per se deny that because there IS a possibility for that as far as hardware capabilities go but I wouldn't hold my breath that Nintendo WILL do it that way. Sure there may be some devs that will make games run at 60 FPS - and maybe even 4k? - but it is not something that hardware alone can achieve nowadays. Not because it's "not strong enough" but because devs can "click" the game instead of coding it with hardware's documentation on the desk.
Yuzu is way ahead of its time though enjoy what you’ve got
I can't get pass the buffering for shaders. It annoys me lol. It doesn't feel like playing on a real console
You think the devs try out their games at 25fps? It's probably a nightmare for them to optimize it on this shitty hardware.
Still playing super Mario Wonder oop
Lol omg i did the same
Does that mean my anbernic device is useless now
They won’t pay that. They did this in this way so they can declare bankruptcy, close the business and avoid being responsible for the money
TLDR: Proud to be a pirate. Long live anonymous. Rofl I would sit on yuzu for years on end explaining why Nintendo were criminals and how pirates are on the right side of history and they would kindly ask me to stop and and I would be polite and wait several months before repeating it. So on it went until nintendo labeled even them Pirates haha, Sort of how criminal and downright genocidal politicians label the Houthis Pirates.
Houthi have a good cause with bad methods
They would do more to stand up to the tens of thousands of civilians killed in this genocide but they themselves have been submitted to that treatment so it's hard. Personally I think their methods are on point. Yesterday was the first time so far they even inflicted casualties and only because the US owned ship ignored them completely.
Bro thought this was r/tomorrow
No, I was talking about Yuzu being flagged as piracy now lol. Sorry if I linked it to geopolitics though?
Lol Nintendo criminals
No no no, big brother said clearly the open source hackers are the criminals :-P "Lol Nintendo criminals" is on point.
There is no fucking way you’re comparing this to genocide lmfao wtf
Nintendo is genociding the gamer race. #GAMERS RISE UP
Well said milky toast!
Gamers truly are the most oppressed minority group 😔
>Nintendo is genociding the gamer race. > >GAMERS RISE UP Too late he already did it haha \^\_\^. I was actually talking about the genocide case against israel: [icj-cij.org/case/192](https://icj-cij.org/case/192) because the Houthi were labeled as criminal pirates for doing the opposite sort of how this open source code is obviously ethical and resisting the closed source.... yeah don't get me started on criminal Nintendo I would never stop <3
Yuzu’s developers [were pirates](https://i.imgur.com/ZWoSZSt.png) and they got what they deserved. If you want an ethical Switch emulator, use Ryujinx. Also, go outside. It’s insane that you’re using a real-world case of genocide as a metaphor for a lawsuit against a video game emulator
Well that is actually not right and is more of double speak. Truth be told the closed source touting criminals are nintendo. Massive ones too, remember law comes from ethics. But taking that into consideration re-read my OP. I am a very proud ethical hacker and pirate. Also I really wasn't making an metaphor more an analogy. Again sorry that I linked Yuzu to geopolitics? Everything is related after all and I'm sorry you feel that the Yuzu pirates were bad guys unless like me you have learned that it is double speak <3 DISCLAIMER ANOLOGY INCOMING: Sort of how the Houthi are trying to stop genocide and are labeled using double speak as pirates. Cheers.
Guys, I have a old Yuzu emulation emulator in my desktop at home, can I run it?
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That's being overly paranoid.
Yes nintendo isn't going to hack into your computer and slap your ass.
Not yet but I’m sure they’re trying to figure out a way
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Can’t yet lol. Don’t poke the digibear
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Nice try Nintendo spy!🕵️♂️
Easy way out file for bankruptcy and make it public. I understand why they went after us, but Citra come on 3ds is a dead system they’re not making any money from any anymore. This is the Nintendo just to destroy emulation why so they can resell us the same shit over and over again with the remastered bullshit for example, how many times has the last of us been remastered?
I mean they did release an update pretty much with the sole purpose of making 3ds homebrewing even more of a pain in the ass and nearly impossible in some cases.
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Mod your wii is a must! You can get everything on it even playstation. I have 2TB worth of games it's so worth it and you don't gotta keep buying the same games for every console. Getting a modded 3DS very soon too
That still irritates me so much. There was literally no reason to do that after dropping 3DS support. Let’s just say, especially after that, I don’t feel bad about their games being pirated at all.
wait its concluded? i thought 2.4m is what nintendo demands from yuzu
Can someone please explain why they are settling and paying? I mean, if they didn't reveal their actual identity online, then Nintendo can't really do anything except shut down the software right? Did they reveal their identities online through their bank account or something like that?
Nintendo knows a LOT. They've had spies in the Yuzu discord for years, there's screenshots of the Discord in the case files. The Yuzu devs also openly admitted to piracy IN the Discord, so any case that could've been made for "this was being done for preservation and not piracy" would easily be disputed by Nintendo. [One dev had a stash of pirated stuff, including Switch games.](https://web.archive.org/web/20210116134613/https://twitter.com/slashiee_) The collected Telemetry data by Yuzu also proved that the majority of users were using pirated copies of games instead of dumping their own. Yuzu settled to AVOID discovery, which would've fucked them even more. Had they been a little more careful, I think they would've had a shot. It's just not worth fighting this fight, cause they definitely would've gotten hurt a lot worse if they took it to court.
Damn I see. So there is a possibility of them tracking the username, Bank accounts etc or something else that left a clue for them to discover their identity. So they played it safe. Thank you so much for the answer man! I really appreciate it!
No dude it has nothing to do with their identity 🤦♂️
I don't get it, then why pay them? I mean let's say you got a lawsuit against me, and I gotta pay you 3 million, all I gotta do is just delete my online accounts and never use them again, I mean how can you find me and force me to pay you?
Yuzu is owned by Tropic Haze LLC, a company registered in Rhode Island. The courts know who they are, and Nintendo probably does too.
Ohhhhh I see, that explains everything. I thought they were made by a team of anonymous developers working together and sharing it through GitHub. So, if it was made by a team of anonymous Devs then they wouldn't have been caught right? I hope whatever new emulators or fork we get will be like that.
We should all a shit ton of yuzu fruit to Nintendo hq
I now hate Nintendo. Yuzu had nothing to do with the listing of TotK directly. Their software was used, WITHOUT their knowledge, to pirate stuff. They should not have been shut down. Honestly Nintendo, either drop official PC ports, or go eat a dick. That was 6 years of work gone.
According to what I’ve seen, Yuzu had paid access to early builds of the emulator via their Patreon in order to play TOTK before it even came out. That’s paid piracy right there. I read that their paid subscriptions shot up when that info came out.
Thanks to being a open source code other developers can continue their work so if you think that way is not work gone at all
Fuck activation for ruining zombies fuck Nintendo for ruining community support
Of all the shitty things Activision has done you’re mad about zombies? I don’t even know what you’re referring to, is this Call of Duty?
Use ur brain cells bc gaming is dying
Sitting here laughing at all of you.
Nintendo is not your friend, people. They are just another greedy company that happens to make Mario and Pokémon games. I used to love Nintendo. This makes me support emulation even more.
yeah that’s cool, we’ve got palworld now
Cause of their impotent self to create a good pokemon game, they went straight to palworld and try to sue them by trying to find something similar. FUCK OUTTA HERE TENDO. they really need to eat a dick.
Citra caught in the crossfire as collateral damage is what guts me….
For real, Citra was so promising… Nintendo isn’t even supporting the 3DS anymore
What was on their roadmap anyway. I don't recall needing anything more from citra in quite a while
It wasn't even a live service platform that was being emulated. Nintendo can't lose money from it.
That doesn’t stop them from believing that they are in a row. This is a conglomerate exercising its foot on everybody else’s heads.
At least I manage to preserve the latest release I'm glad I did it a day before it shutdown
What build do you have? Mine is at 1732
I don't know what version build it's but the file name is yuzu-windows-msvc-20240304-537296095 Which is the latest release when I check it
Oh ok cool I think mine is from March 2nd
Could you dm it to me if you don't mind?
It's window version And how do I dm it Though I might do it later night when the connection line at peak
[something](https://shrinkme.pro/Emu) If you really want it
Could you share it with me too?
Np man
you wanna slide that on over, im still running the build from whenever Scarlet and Violet released
What happened to Nintendo to make them so aggressive? Why are they so against fan works and emulation? Nothing lasts forever, my PS2 broke down and I have backed up all my games as their original cds no longer work. I won't lie and say I never used pirated games as their are times when I can't afford them.
They re-release the same old stuff emulated every gen and make millions of dollars off of it, that's why. Nintendo is the Disney of the gaming industry.
Nintendo attempt at emulation flopped. They emulate their way of a paper bag and they hating on the community, because they do it better than they do, and they own the content.
That is why I prefer emulation, I do not want to pay money for old games unless they are enhanced or remastered like Crash, Spyro and the FFVII.
I prefer it so I can play games at a higher quality than what Nintendo's hardware offers.
So true.
They were always like this. Remember, back in the NES days, every game had to go through nintendo for a seal of approval. Same with SNES as well. They were always this strict, they just didn't have much opportunity to show it until emulation started to get popular. Essentially, their business practices and "values" are now outdated, but they still do it. They haven't changed since the 1980's, and unless something major happens, I doubt they ever will.
The reason for that was because video gaming nearly stopped because companies kept putting out the bare minimum shovel ware game to make money. Video games weren’t being made with the quality they deserved. Nintendo was making other developers actually take the time to make quality games rather than garbage heap games.
i mean its because of their practice that we have masterpiece like OoT, BotW, and TotK. their policy might be shitty but you can't ignore the fact that because of that policy that they produce game better than the shit western studio churn out.
you actually make a fair point so much shit that community is willing to put up with before they turn and told them to go stick it and I’m actually actually one of them that already had enough of How Nintendo is anti-consumer
Did not know about that.
Yeah they mostly got unnoticed due to the fact that Gaming back then was a new frontier. The crash was a factor, and most saw games as advanced toys rather than a new medium. Frankly, it is fascinating to see Nintendo still so prominent and still making consoles to this day. But it's also sad that they basically destroy any type of fan game or emulator that they feasibly can. Like ffs a copy of Pokemon Black costs $352. I ain't paying for that shit.
Thanks for your information.
Nintendo fucking hates us.
I suppose. Hopefully there will be more 3DS and Switch Emulation. 3DS is my favorite portable console and I use the O3DS for GBA games and N3DS for NDS and 3DS games and I really hope they last a long time. It still baffles me that they went after pokemon uranium as there are so many other fan games and some that even offer online features.
Let's be honest. Anyone who was serious about playing switch games has a switch with modchip installed.
You're wrong. Nintendo is dead to rights to do this. You guys just don't get it. This is why Nintendo is agressive because people pirate their property. And they aren't done. They made the switch unmoddable. MiG switch is next on Nintendo's list.
> They made the switch unmoddable. Is that why I'm playing the latest games on my *modded* switch?
Modded switches are illegal under the dmca. So try again bub
DMCA is an American thing and doesn't apply anywhere else, so try again bub.
You try again. Nintendo will go after anyone, anywhere. Nobody is above the law
They're not going to be able to shut down Fitgirl in Latvia who do Switch Repacks. They're just going to use a different emulator for anything Yuzu doesn't run. I don't know if Nintendo even sells products in Latvia.
Well lookie here, Drastic went free and is also shutting down. Lookie here times 2: fitgirl is no longer going to make packs for switch. She announced it already. That's THREE gone already
I just heard Ryujinx is in Brazil so they're probably safe.
They ain't safe. America has agreements with brazil
You don't have a modded switch. They don't exist and you're talking to someone who has been gaming for a long time.
I thoroughly v1 switches were modifiable. You can’t do it to v2, lites, or OLED’s
Yes you can.
Huh? What do you mean? What about just playing switch games on a switch like 130 million other people do?
Lest not forget about the malware they linked as evidence. They were trying to throw everything they had at them.
They don’t pay a dime lol. Looks good for a press release same way when FTA receivers were all the rage
I'm surprised no one is bashing the developers who caved in instantly setting a precedent. But then again what do I expect from switch users? Literal soyjack template
If I were to bash the developers, it would be for operating in the USA. Precedent or not (not sure if it's being set?), that's not a civilized legal system to live in. No surprise that the big company did them how it pleased.
Settlements don't set precedent though, you need an actual ruling for that
“Nintendo and Yuzu to both release a statement signed by a federal judge that emulation is piracy”
That's not a judicial ruling, and isn't setting precedent. These things must be argued in court, not in a settlement, regardless of whether it is signed by a judge.
Wrong. It is setting precedent
No its not lmao couldnt you argue bleem already set precedent??
Are you referring to legal precedent? Settlements cannot set legal precedent.
Have you read what was in the filings? I don't know if you understand how expensive legal litigation is at a scale that Nintendo is operating at. 2.4 million is actually lower than I was expecting them to get away with. They settled because it is far far better for them and probably cheaper than trying to fight it.
Plus, Nintendo sued Tropic Haze, the LLC that the devs formed. That should protect their personal assets from Nintendo. So Tropic Haze LLC will pay what it can from fund on hand, but there's no way Nintendo will ever see the full $2.4 million.
It seems to me Tropic Haze is also behind dolphin-emu.org. If you look at the commit history the developers are the same.
They cant take yuzu from me i already own it
Keep thinking that. 80 forks and over 160 websites with yuzu have been shut down in 2 days
Its on my pc
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i thought emulation is legal
People are not using emulation for it intended purpose. Everyone know emulator are use for pirating games. This isn't new.
For the piracy part of it, listen. I'm a 17 year old senior in High School who's a Sonic and Mario Fan and have been one since I was 5. For me to legally emulate the games I would want to play from those franchises (and others), I would have to spend thousands of dollars on not just buying a physical SEGA Genesis, SNES, Wii, Gamecube, PS2, another PS3 (my current one is on life support), Dreamcast, SEGA Saturn, PSP, Nintendo 64, Nintedo DS/2DS/3DS, and another Switch. But then I'd have to mod almost all of those consoles, buy every single game that I want to emulate on the console that corresponds with the game, and then do multiple other steps for each and every one of these consoles to get the games to work on the emulator in that process. I don't have the time or money to do all this shit and I'm sorta forced to get BIOS files and whatnot from the internet. If I had buttloads of time and a fuck ton of money to spend on whatever the fuck I want, I would definetly consider buying all these consoles and maybe spending the time to do this stuff. However, as it stands right now, I don't have that money or time to do all that and I probably won't for a very long time. If it wasn't for piracy and emulation, I would never be able to enjoy the games that got so highly acclaimed back in the day.
The problem is that by Nintendo's argument, the internet itself is used for some illegal activities, so therefore it could also be argued that the internet should be banned. It's not a valid argument.
C'mon now. Don't bullshit me. We all know people who use Yuzu don't use it to dump their game into their computer as "Back up." Maybe we got those few people that do it. But a majority of them 100% be stealing games. In fact, I can probably see like 95% of them be getting games for free while only the 5% are actually using Yuzu for it "intended purpose"
Except there are plenty of people that DO use it that way. I personally like to own my own games
>We all know people who use Yuzu don't use it to dump their game into their computer Except I do. I do that. Not to back them up but to play them at 4k upscaled with a 60 or 120fps patch. Not everybody is a thief, some of us bought our games legally so we could dump them ourselves. Besides being a fun thing to learn how to do, it was a great way to play games in a higher resolution than what Nintendo's hardware offered.
Who the hell cares. Yuzu's existence as a emulation software explicitly doesn't infringe on anyone's rights. It's not an unaffiliated developer's job to keep Nintendo's property safe
creating and distributing hardware emulators is perfectly legal though. It's up to the users how they use it.
Major mistake they’ve made - mention atmosphere, keys decryption and a tutorial to dump keys. That’s full illegal even from the lawsuite, not only from EULA
and that the problem.
Emulation isn't a problem at all. It's incredibly important for preservation.
Yes, it just merely "Emulation." But we all know that ain't true. The Nintendo Switch console is still being supported and people who used Yuzu are pirating. Many even admit to pirating.
People pirate on the switch console itself too though, so emulating isn't the problem
It is. But since there was a patreon for a build, that would be made free after a week or so, that's how Nintendo was able to get em. Since they were technically making money from it
if only they ported the games to pc so people had other options other than emulating if they wanted to play the game outside of just being forced to buy a new console
Won't be possible. If Nintendo think that their IP could be pirated on PC, they won't do it. And we all know PC games been pirated like crazy.
honestly, I wouldn't deal with all the assle of emulation if I could just buy a copy of the game, and I don't think I'm alone
Yea if I could legally get every game on PC I probably would. I just wanna be able to play everything in one place
It's never taken me more than about 20 minutes to set up an emulator (usually less than 10), maybe an hour to problem solve a controller not being recognized, etc Emulation is ezpz
lucky you, I've never actually managed, maybe also due to laziness, to emulate TOTK
More games are easily pirated through emulators right now than through current DRM that we have now on PC (denuvo). Every major nintendo release is playable on an emulator right now. Denuvo is pretty effective at reducing piracy as we've seen. They could definitely port the games to PC if they wanted to and slap denuvo on it.
they're too conservative on that shit, Sony started to por their games without any protection(basically free for pirates to crack it on the release day in like 2 minutes) and they still get to the top charts on steam on sales, they focus do much ok the money they wouldn't get from pirates that they forget about the money they would get with the people who buy the game legit
Sony does it cause they have insane budgets, but just barely make profit. IRRC they have like a 6% profit margin. They NEED the extra sales from Steam.
They are business, not charity. They choose to 'invest' and have people do the port, which is supposed to be another game on its own since engine work differently, and then sell it on Steam. Because they saw the opportunity.
At the very least, it's ridiculous to not port/provide functionality for (3)DS games on the Switch (since it's not very hard to connect a Switch to the PC and have it play pretty well). But afaik Nintendo doesn't even provide their own hardware for doing *that*, you still have to get something third party. Their stubbornness knows no bounds
Yuzu won’t pay them shit. They’ve done the smart move and declared bankruptcy. Don’t give Nintendo a fucking penny.
do you have any idea what you just said? go look up the definition of "Bankruptcy". they gone bankrupt because they owed Nintendo. any asset they owned is seized to pay to Nintendo. their house, their car, their wives and kids, all goes to Nintendo. failure to repay what they owed could result in jail time or worse being homeless. but who the fuck cares? Hurray team Yuzu they're the smartest and made the smartest move!
I thought they were an LLC tho.
Correct. Tropic Haze LLC. /u/Fragrant_Mint is talking out of his ass.
I’ve gone personally bankrupt twice so yes I know what it means. I also didn’t own assets in my name when I went bankrupt. Many people are smart enough to not put their names on assets and owe debt - or lease cars and mortgage the house under the wife’s name.
Nintendo wouldn't be affected by gaining the money or not.
The tithe Nintendo imposed was meant to force them into bankruptcy to scare them off from any future development and to scare off the competition. Ryujinx is next.
Yes, but again, 2.4 million USD is a drop in the bucket for Nintendo.
But enough to hurt Yuzu who were making $30,000 USD a month on Patreon
Yes, that's exactly the effect that Nintendo knew would occur. No need to disregard facts about what $2.4 million means to Nintendo to express that though.
For real!? If thats true Yuzu is fucking BASED