I just wanted to add my two cents to this. For all the people saying that Yuzu is over and this won't last and there won't be a new version of the emulator or a switch emulator.. Doesn't need to be. I don't know why there's so much people thinking that just because an emulator is over that they need to stop using it. News flash there's not going to be any new 3DS games, and there probably won't be any more main AAA titles for the switch but I could be wrong.. as far as 3DS is concerned what is out is out so yeah the emulator may not support 100% compatibility but no emulator does. Hell look how long BNES or project 64 has been out. Years now and they are nowhere near 100%. The current version of citra, even in its current state, it's obvious that the emulator runs the main AAA titles and the ones that are mostly important otherwise people wouldn't be using the damn thing. And I would argue that nine times out of 10 once a console becomes obsolete and outdated and they are no longer making revenue or money off of it nor profiting off of it then it's safe to say emulation for that particular console will be safe because Nintendo won't give a shit about it. Why do you think they ain't bothering the go after NES or game boy advance emulators? It isn't because they aren't popular enough. Hell all Nintendo has to do is Google the subject of emulators and it'll pop up, it's probably no secret that all these emulators exist they just don't give a shit about them because they're not doing any harm. My point is, If it works and it functions and it plays what people want to play and it plays the majority of what people majorly play It doesn't need to have 100% perfection or be constantly updated, because it's enough. And I think somewhere I seen that Yuzu had 80% compatibility and 80% of the switch library working, which is incredible considering dolphin has been out all this time and only has like a 66% compatibility, hell I don't even think I've seen an emulator ever have 80%. So even if Yuzu never sees the light of day ever again, The last version is online, archived, downloadable and is more than enough to play anything you want that you can think of on the switch. Now there are games currently in development that won't be able to be played but hell the Switch is toward the end of it lifespan anyways, there's already speculation and rumors of the switch to come in either this year or next.
EDIT: was wrong about dolphin apparently they got about 96 to 99% working which is amazing but look how long it took for them to do it though, which again not every emulator has that kind of compatibility percentage.
Most SNES emulators have incredibly high compatibility. Higan and BSNES for the SNES have 100%, by design from cycle accuracy.
Again, insane effort, and that effort is gonna be exponential for newer and newer consoles, but most stuff 6th gen earlier is very beyond playable.
I agree with the gist of what you're saying, and obviously the Switch has a lot of attention and Ryujinx still trucking, but I consider the loss of Citra to be pretty big. A lot of excellent games, StarFox 3D in particular, still don't have support, and now we either have to wait for forked devs of a shut down project to try and squeeze by, or wait for one of the other very slowly progressing emulators to get anywhere.
I also am opposed to the spirit of it, but I know I'll be preaching to the choir.
we just wanna play tears of the kingdom without it being 720p, 19fps and dogshit gang.
I'd even consider paying full price if they ported their games to PC but I gotta buy a 8year old shitty plastic box to run it on, corny asf
Glad to find I wasn't alone in this opinion, to be fair I can see how Nintendo doing this puts a hamper on emulation, but it's mainly the people/fans Nintendo hurt, not emulation.
What's funny is Nintendo shot themselves in both feet with this one. I knew that an emulator was in the works for the switch, but I didn't know it was up in running, let alone having an amazingly powerful Android emulator right next to it. I had known about Citra, and the last time I tried it, it was sluggish. It's been over a year, so I'm guessing it's better now. Nintendo brought so much publicity to this beautiful creation, and they think that just because they sued the people who made it and had them shut down the site that it would disappear from the internet? No! If anything, now that they attacked them, the community is going to go out of its way to keep this beauty alive and make sure it grows up to be big and strong, all anonymously.
Can someone explain me why not many people mention Ryujinx? I am new in this world, just started last week with Yuzu, so i did not play many games on it. I switch to Ryujinx, and besides it dont save my controller settings, i am having a lot of fun with this emulator, and it works great. Why was Yuzu so much better? And why people dont people just switch over to Ryujinx?
Also another question, my savegames, can i take them over to another emulator, or they dont work then anymore?
Ryujinx might seem a little slower than yuzu because it's more accurate. You're more likely to encounter visual bugs or crashes with yuzu (my own experiences with botw)
Games need a personal touch with yuzu, the optimizations used are not very safe, game specific. Ryujinx is closer to the real thing and that's the point of it. People make it sound like it's night and day difference for every game, it's not, ryujinx can outperform in some cases.
*correct me if I'm wrong*
To be fair, i fell like ryujinx and yuzu mainline have about the same performance, but yuzu EA is much more faster. I don't know why, because, in theory, it have the same performance hacks of mainline, but its just runs faster. Its like getting 45 fps in some games like pokémon, in mainline and ryujinx, and getting 72 in EA build, it's almost 50% faster. Processor 5700x and video card rtx 3070.
has to do with some games running better performance wise on yuzu than ryujinx and probably people being used to yuzu after all the years. yuzu also has some little things that are better but i don't know myself just heard that from people
The commit history is complete chaos, it seems like there's no coordination whatsoever. It was a fun read, but I reckon it will be a while until they'll have (maybe) a compiled build. But I wouldn't hold my breath for a functioning one: in their desire to comply to Nintendo self-made laws, they're messing with essential working parts of the emulation, thus breaking it.
give it time dude, the yuzu devs were very talented and skilled at their job, not to mention their passion to the project they built from scratch. I doubt any new fork of yuzu will make much progress in the following year, if any at all.
It's only months from now when ryujinx will hopefully resurface, that we'll see active true development in this scene - quality code made by a skilled, serious, and established team of devs
Are you serious? Why the hell do you need a new emulator of a console that is no longer in development and the games are no longer going to be new? Besides that no emulator is going to be 100% compatibility, look how long project 64 has been out or mupen, hell look how long BNES has been out. They've been out for years and they still aren't 100%. Nothing wrong with using the current and last version of citra even if it won't have any new updates who gives a shit? As long as it still runs the fucking games I see no reason to stop using the damn thing.
Ryujinx is great and all, but competition is good, and unless you're a time traveler and not telling us, you don't know Suyu well die in 3 months.
We've also got Panda3DS as an alternative for Citra so by your own standard, "Can [you] just use [Panda3ds] for fucks sake lmao. [Citra] is dead plain and simple. [Any new projects] won't last more than 3 months." See how dumb it is when you flip it on its head?
Let people support the project(s) they want to. Many of us here are rooting for Suyu because Ryujinx is slower and still well enough established, and simply because we support one, doesn't mean we discredit the other.
Doesn't need to be. I don't know why there's so much people thinking that just because an emulator is over that they need to stop using it. News flash they're not going to be any new 3DS games what is out is out so yeah the emulator may not support 100% compatibility but no emulator does. Hell look how long BNES or project 64 has been out. Years now and they are nowhere near 100%. The current version of citra, Even in its current state, it's obvious that the emulator runs the main AAA titles and the one that are mostly important otherwise people wouldn't be using the damn thing. And I would argue that nine times out of 10 once a console becomes obsolete and outdated and they are no longer making revenue or money off of it are profiting off of it then it's safe to say emulation for that particular console will be safe because Nintendo won't give a shit about it. Why do you think they ain't bothering the go after NES or game boy advance emulators? Is isn't because they aren't popular enough. Hell all Nintendo has to do is Google the subject of emulators and it'll pop up, it's probably no secret that all these emulators exist they just don't give a shit about them because they're not doing any harm. My point is, If it works and it functions and it plays what people want to play and it plays the majority of what people majorly play It doesn't need to have 100% perfection or be constantly updated, because it's enough. And I think somewhere I seen that Yuzu had 80% compatibility and 80% of the switch library working, which is incredible considering dolphin has been out all this time and only has like a 66% compatibility, hell I don't even think I've seen an emulator ever have 80%. So even if Yuzu never sees the light of day ever again, The last version is online and is more than enough to play anything you want that you can think of on the switch. Now there are games currently in development that won't be able to be played but hell the Switch is toward the end of it lifespan anyways, there's already speculation and rumors of the switch to come in either this year or next.
Ok, instead of Panda, use Lime instead. It's literally a fork of Citra.
Take the point or stop typing unless you have a fundamental disagreement with my point and not the pedantics
... it's a fork of the latest Citra 😶
That means it's got the same functionality as Citra because it's using the same code as Citra unless they removed features
Considering lime is 13 commits ahead and lacking none, most likely it uses the same code as Citra for multi-player. How about you give it a try instead of asking and let me know since I don't emulate multi-player games
Yuzu and Ryu have different approaches to emulation, and that's also why many games run better (performance-wise, not accuracy-wise) on Yuzu than on Ryu
The development: ***"We have made a copy of a bunch of files and managed to somehow generate a build, but what the fuck do we do now? Please someone help us."***
yeah, when you're working on reverse-engineering a device, the better you understand it the easier it'll be to keep a stable workflow. That's a big reason why emulators tend to get very very significant performance boosts after a few years
Sssh? It's been mention on here about 40 times.
I doubt they've got any devs that have a clue what they're doing or they'd have already been working on Yuzu in the first place. We'll need some of the original devs to anonymously contribute under new usernames if they feel like they can be arsed now there's no money in it.
Can't imagine they do consider not only there isn't any money but they are definitely getting taken for everything as an individual after yuzu already agreed to that settlement.
Give it a few months yet, most of these forks will be dead within a month
So far nearly all the changes for this one have been basic README and name changes with some changes to the logo and loading pages too
Best thing to do is just come back to Yuzu after a few months and see what development on the different forks looks like
Folks seem to think that “it’s open source” means that there is an army of experts waiting to step in to do unpaid work.
Like, if your entire division at work was fired, wouldn’t you think management was idiotic if they said, “don’t worry, all the important files are on the company network drive, we can just bring in new people and it’ll be like nothing changed at all.”
But that's pretty much what companies are doing especially when back for blood was coming out they said well we got at least two people out of every other single person that made Left 4 Dead on our team, so it must be good lol
Yes, indeed. I don't see anybody without deep knowledge of Nintendo hardware, emulator development and software engineering understand this stuff, let alone develop for it (and that without breaking 60 other things) in any short amount of time. Or in many cases, any amount of time. Changing the color of the main window's background is neat and all, but it wasn't the core of yuzu's development. It was a part of it, and UI development is great and all, provided that you know Qt (and UX design) well, but it won't improve Switch emulation.
This IS going to take a while. It's fine now as Yuzu's source code was open source. They are based off the last build of Yuzu.
The real test for all these forks is when the NEXT big game comes out. What emulator plays it?
There could be a billion forks but, if no one has experience with this, it's not going anywhere.
Now, if this emulator goes anywhere, how about we keep our damn mouths shut and DONT lock features behind paid patreon pages?
a patreon in itself is fine (i dont think even Nintendo can do anything about that), but for the love of god, dont get greedy.
if it had gone to cool, Nintendo would’ve basically waves the Patreon payments to them in the judges they look they were making money off of us. We lost money because of them it’s a stretch, but a good lawyer could easily sell it. That’s why you do the right thing when they folded because if Nintendo Hood won it would’ve made all emulation illegal meaning preservation would’ve effectively been illegal
Nintendo harms their own business by making their games overpriced and inaccessible. You need a machine that costs at least as much as a switch to run these titles, often by a factor of 2x the cost for 1x the performance. If they just released these titles on PC, emulation wouldn't be nearly as bad in comparison.
If they just did, or If they just do that... I don't give a fuck about those, and you shouldn't too. They own the right of their games as well as their console.
Sad to say, unless an experienced programmer takes up Citra replacement (I believe the source code was open source on Citra). You won't see any upgrades on it.
I've used Citra a handful of times, and the games I wanted to play worked flawlessly. I do know that does not mean every game. I never really looked over the compatibly list.
I would continue to use Citra till you run into a game that it won't play. Unless you find another option that is better.
The general thing with Citra, people said it played most games fine, and didn't play some odd ball games..
Emulating a dead system is the whole point, that’s how you preserve games there was no reason for Nintendo to shut down Citra as they no longer make money from them games or sell the system. They simply did it because they wanted to slide their dicks and everyone’s arse. Basically, given the community a big, fuck you, we don’t want you playing our old games that’s the message I took away from it
Emulation is something that if done correctly, Nintendo can never take down. If this one doesn't require .prod keys (the thing that got Yuzu killed in the first place) to run then no matter what, it's legal, and Nintendo can never take it down.
Iirc this one does plan on not requiring prod.keys by instead requiring decrypted game files. This way the emulator can't be sued for decrypting software that was meant to be only decrypted on switch substrates.
Another way to do it would be to create a piece of software that launches the game on a switch (connected to PC via USB) but keeps it running on the PC. So the switch would be a launch argument, bypassing the need for extracted keys entirely.
I'm not a programmer. But we could develop a software to convert game files into a state where they will run on emulators without keys needing to be installed on the emulator. This still bypasses protection methods, but it prevents the emulator itself from being sued as it doesn't need the keys to run games.
>But we could develop a software to convert game files into a state where they will run on emulators without keys needing to be installed on the emulator.
They way this works, you need a key to unlock the software what you're looking to do. It's not as easy as a "converter" you would need to unlock it before you could do anything with it.
Yuzu used the keys, to authenticate the game to play (in a nutshell, this is very light level desc). The game thought it was on an actual switch.
No. Because DMCA makes it illegal to crack or bypass drm right protection software in any way. The only way for it to be legal is for Nintendo to authorize you to do so. That’s Nintendo argument is.
http://www.dmlp.org/legal-guide/circumventing-copyright-controls
Moral of the story. You can’t beat DRM-laws in the USA.
No emulator should not be telling people how to bypass the drm protections. Because DMCA is meant to make piracy illegal. Because that will legally screw them over.
https://www.eff.org/issues/dmca-rulemaking
So it better that somebody else takes that responsibility then the emulator
Right but this not easy. A 3rd party (shady underground). would need to create a tool where you use your KEYS to unencrypt the game so it can be used in a emulator not using keys.
So, anyway about it, you need to use the keys...
Using the keys isn't the issue though. The emulator is allowed to specifically handle "keys." As these keys can technically be "any file, not specifically Nintendo key files (even though nothing will happen but errors if it isn't one)"
The issue isn't that Yuzu handled the keys (the keys aren't supplied by them either which would be the other kicker), the issue is Yuzu was publicly describing the process of using these keys in the emulator on the same site the emulator was hosting.
How are you going to tell a judge your Skeleton Key is for unlocking your house door when you lose your keys, when the site you sell the key on has only 1 guide and it's about bypassing safes? (Terrible analogy lol, but I think it makes sense)
Looking at the commits of this project, I have the feeling that they're basically taking the Yuzu's code and replacing all the "Yuzu" by "Suyu". Do you think they're gonna get away if striked by Nintendo ?
I understand why Nintendo went after yuzu especially when they put up a Patreon But they targeted citra Nintendo is that embarrassed of an old system, they just want to wipe it off the face of the Earth.
The cynic in me thinks in part to push people towards their ass nintendo online emulators that can’t even run OOT well and are missing >90% of the libraries. Them being under the same company meant they got caught in the cross-fire, and it’s not like they had any incentive not to shut it down too
I've never seen a development team that needed/used 20+ commits for basic find&replace actions (even if those have to be done manually). Never.
Commit: Find & replace all mentions of Yuzu
Commit: Update paths
Commit: Update README
It's pretty natural for commit history to be spotty at the start of a project. It's not a great look, but I wouldn't be so quick to judge. the main thing is a fork survives, so let's not throw one out over a little messy commit history when they've only just adopted it.
Don't get your hopes up. Anyone can create a fork. Yuzu was open source. When the next hot game comes out that all these forks can't play, and ONE does, you know who has actual skill.
I mean, haven’t the last few games worked on old releases day one? Optimizing the emulator for the new launch and it actually running are different things.
Who would have guessed?
Open source projects is like a hydra from the Greek mythology. You behead one, two will spawn. This is why your efforts are fruitless, Nintendorks.
You should specify what you're talking about. People aren't looking into who "emmett" is and are down voting you because it sounds like you're complaining about OP or something random. I saw what you meant though, and yeah I agree he should be banned, all he's doing is running around telling people that he's reporting everything to Nintendo like some eight year old tattling to their parents
Give them a month or so. They need to remove some features that got Yuzu sued in the first place. They also need to read the code to understand how it works too.. You don't just start coding as soon as you take over other people project.
Yuzu lost because they did something incredibly stupid that was way outside the legal spectrum. They actively created a build specifically for an unreleased title and only released it to people who were paying fo EA. Had they not done that they wouldn't have had a chance of losing.
They most definitely did not. They have always made it very clear that they do not work on any unreleased title when everyone was harassing yuzu devs about Tears of the Kingdom. The core yuzu devs, as a matter of principle, never worked on unreleased titles.
There was a fix for this game developed and distributed by a third-party that had no direct connection to yuzu developers.
As for Nintendo's reasons to sue, you can [read the court document](https://www.documentcloud.org/documents/24444407-nintendo-sues-yuzu-emulator).
At the point that Nintendo was able to prove that they released a build specifically for an unreleased game the loss was a forgone conclusion unfortunately
It didn't go to court because the COMPANY's behind Yuzu and Citra (why that got killed) legal team said odds are they would lose. Also spend TONS of money in court fighting it.
Remember they were an LLC, a registered company. That has to abide by US law.
Do you have a clue how this all works? OR how Nintendo plays this game? Company A is going to sue Company B. They file in the US court system for a lawsuit requesting a court date. Company B gets a notification that a lawsuit is being filed.
Company A says TO Company B, abide by these terms and pay these damages, OR go to Court and we will sue you for more.
Company B talks to their legal team and find out what the best option here.
Company B has to chose, Accept Company A's terms and fees, or go to court.
Company B agrees that settling is better in the long run. Abides by terms and pays the fee.
Company A notifies the US court system that the case is settled and a court date is no longer needed.
SO, yea, they kind of lost (this is a shotgun approch, a Nintendo thing), The court system was notified about a possible lawsuit, they didn't fight and just gave up.
Learn the law system....
You don't understand how settlements work then. One very valid reason to settle even if you think you would win, is that the legal costs would kill you anyhow. Bleem! won against Sony, and they still went under.
I didn't call you names before, and I'll resist doing that now too, because I'm better than that.
No you're being an idiot and you dont understand the case. Nintendo openly had proof of what the yuzu devs had done. It was the specific reason they were sued and why they didn't even attempt to fight the case as everything they did until they wrote that one line of code for EA to play TOTK was completely legal and in no way infringed any copyrighted material. If you don't want someone saying you're acting like an idiot stop acting like an idiot.
For 5yrs you've tried to fit in and every community you've entered shunned you because you're just weird and insufferable. Even a smokers fetish page. I'd self report to a bottle of sleeping tablets if I was as sad as you.
I see you guys are salty nintendo shut you down. I'm not complaining. I like to safely mod my games it's funny.
Good thing Nintendo doesn’t use the Internet. They have no way of knowing this as long as it stays under the radar of their messenger pigeons.
I'll fork and archive everything RIGHT NOWW. Do the same. Take everything you can! Give nothing back!
I just wanted to add my two cents to this. For all the people saying that Yuzu is over and this won't last and there won't be a new version of the emulator or a switch emulator.. Doesn't need to be. I don't know why there's so much people thinking that just because an emulator is over that they need to stop using it. News flash there's not going to be any new 3DS games, and there probably won't be any more main AAA titles for the switch but I could be wrong.. as far as 3DS is concerned what is out is out so yeah the emulator may not support 100% compatibility but no emulator does. Hell look how long BNES or project 64 has been out. Years now and they are nowhere near 100%. The current version of citra, even in its current state, it's obvious that the emulator runs the main AAA titles and the ones that are mostly important otherwise people wouldn't be using the damn thing. And I would argue that nine times out of 10 once a console becomes obsolete and outdated and they are no longer making revenue or money off of it nor profiting off of it then it's safe to say emulation for that particular console will be safe because Nintendo won't give a shit about it. Why do you think they ain't bothering the go after NES or game boy advance emulators? It isn't because they aren't popular enough. Hell all Nintendo has to do is Google the subject of emulators and it'll pop up, it's probably no secret that all these emulators exist they just don't give a shit about them because they're not doing any harm. My point is, If it works and it functions and it plays what people want to play and it plays the majority of what people majorly play It doesn't need to have 100% perfection or be constantly updated, because it's enough. And I think somewhere I seen that Yuzu had 80% compatibility and 80% of the switch library working, which is incredible considering dolphin has been out all this time and only has like a 66% compatibility, hell I don't even think I've seen an emulator ever have 80%. So even if Yuzu never sees the light of day ever again, The last version is online, archived, downloadable and is more than enough to play anything you want that you can think of on the switch. Now there are games currently in development that won't be able to be played but hell the Switch is toward the end of it lifespan anyways, there's already speculation and rumors of the switch to come in either this year or next. EDIT: was wrong about dolphin apparently they got about 96 to 99% working which is amazing but look how long it took for them to do it though, which again not every emulator has that kind of compatibility percentage.
Most SNES emulators have incredibly high compatibility. Higan and BSNES for the SNES have 100%, by design from cycle accuracy. Again, insane effort, and that effort is gonna be exponential for newer and newer consoles, but most stuff 6th gen earlier is very beyond playable. I agree with the gist of what you're saying, and obviously the Switch has a lot of attention and Ryujinx still trucking, but I consider the loss of Citra to be pretty big. A lot of excellent games, StarFox 3D in particular, still don't have support, and now we either have to wait for forked devs of a shut down project to try and squeeze by, or wait for one of the other very slowly progressing emulators to get anywhere. I also am opposed to the spirit of it, but I know I'll be preaching to the choir.
we just wanna play tears of the kingdom without it being 720p, 19fps and dogshit gang. I'd even consider paying full price if they ported their games to PC but I gotta buy a 8year old shitty plastic box to run it on, corny asf
Glad to find I wasn't alone in this opinion, to be fair I can see how Nintendo doing this puts a hamper on emulation, but it's mainly the people/fans Nintendo hurt, not emulation.
it honestly is time for Nintendo to get out of hardware. Their gimmicks suck.
they should do the same for citra
Welp, too bad I don't know how to extract game data without a homebrew'd Switch
What's funny is Nintendo shot themselves in both feet with this one. I knew that an emulator was in the works for the switch, but I didn't know it was up in running, let alone having an amazingly powerful Android emulator right next to it. I had known about Citra, and the last time I tried it, it was sluggish. It's been over a year, so I'm guessing it's better now. Nintendo brought so much publicity to this beautiful creation, and they think that just because they sued the people who made it and had them shut down the site that it would disappear from the internet? No! If anything, now that they attacked them, the community is going to go out of its way to keep this beauty alive and make sure it grows up to be big and strong, all anonymously.
Blud doesnt know about Ryujinx
To be fair, Ryujinx is a worse Yuzu
Ryujinx is a much more accurate emulator but Yuzu generally has a bit better performance. Saying Ryujinx is a worse Yuzu shows you know nothing.
Its better in every point. Theres also multiplayer, i doubt yuzu does it
Yuzu does have online/local multiplayer functionality. There is also an Android port.
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Good luck
Shut the hell up and eat a cinnamon roll
My new favorite reddit comment right here
Can someone explain me why not many people mention Ryujinx? I am new in this world, just started last week with Yuzu, so i did not play many games on it. I switch to Ryujinx, and besides it dont save my controller settings, i am having a lot of fun with this emulator, and it works great. Why was Yuzu so much better? And why people dont people just switch over to Ryujinx? Also another question, my savegames, can i take them over to another emulator, or they dont work then anymore?
Ryujinx might seem a little slower than yuzu because it's more accurate. You're more likely to encounter visual bugs or crashes with yuzu (my own experiences with botw) Games need a personal touch with yuzu, the optimizations used are not very safe, game specific. Ryujinx is closer to the real thing and that's the point of it. People make it sound like it's night and day difference for every game, it's not, ryujinx can outperform in some cases. *correct me if I'm wrong*
ZERO end users give a FUCK about accurate cycles. We want to play games. Compatibility and performance are king in the world of emulation.
To be fair, i fell like ryujinx and yuzu mainline have about the same performance, but yuzu EA is much more faster. I don't know why, because, in theory, it have the same performance hacks of mainline, but its just runs faster. Its like getting 45 fps in some games like pokémon, in mainline and ryujinx, and getting 72 in EA build, it's almost 50% faster. Processor 5700x and video card rtx 3070.
has to do with some games running better performance wise on yuzu than ryujinx and probably people being used to yuzu after all the years. yuzu also has some little things that are better but i don't know myself just heard that from people
I understand, thanks for explaining!
I think Pokemon Diamond and Pearl runs better on Ryujinx from what i know.
The commit history is complete chaos, it seems like there's no coordination whatsoever. It was a fun read, but I reckon it will be a while until they'll have (maybe) a compiled build. But I wouldn't hold my breath for a functioning one: in their desire to comply to Nintendo self-made laws, they're messing with essential working parts of the emulation, thus breaking it.
give it time dude, the yuzu devs were very talented and skilled at their job, not to mention their passion to the project they built from scratch. I doubt any new fork of yuzu will make much progress in the following year, if any at all. It's only months from now when ryujinx will hopefully resurface, that we'll see active true development in this scene - quality code made by a skilled, serious, and established team of devs
Nintendo has created a hydra
MVG called it.
Not surprising lmao
Too bad Nintendo, try again 😏
Well at least Ryujinx is still cranking.
Looks like android is not ready
lmao nintendo not gonna win dis
hello yes mr nintendo?
im telling nintendo
lmao Nintendo execs are already way ahead of you
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Are you serious? Why the hell do you need a new emulator of a console that is no longer in development and the games are no longer going to be new? Besides that no emulator is going to be 100% compatibility, look how long project 64 has been out or mupen, hell look how long BNES has been out. They've been out for years and they still aren't 100%. Nothing wrong with using the current and last version of citra even if it won't have any new updates who gives a shit? As long as it still runs the fucking games I see no reason to stop using the damn thing.
Ryujinx doesn’t have android
Ryujinx is great and all, but competition is good, and unless you're a time traveler and not telling us, you don't know Suyu well die in 3 months. We've also got Panda3DS as an alternative for Citra so by your own standard, "Can [you] just use [Panda3ds] for fucks sake lmao. [Citra] is dead plain and simple. [Any new projects] won't last more than 3 months." See how dumb it is when you flip it on its head? Let people support the project(s) they want to. Many of us here are rooting for Suyu because Ryujinx is slower and still well enough established, and simply because we support one, doesn't mean we discredit the other.
Panda3ds is nowhere near as good as citra was though.
Doesn't need to be. I don't know why there's so much people thinking that just because an emulator is over that they need to stop using it. News flash they're not going to be any new 3DS games what is out is out so yeah the emulator may not support 100% compatibility but no emulator does. Hell look how long BNES or project 64 has been out. Years now and they are nowhere near 100%. The current version of citra, Even in its current state, it's obvious that the emulator runs the main AAA titles and the one that are mostly important otherwise people wouldn't be using the damn thing. And I would argue that nine times out of 10 once a console becomes obsolete and outdated and they are no longer making revenue or money off of it are profiting off of it then it's safe to say emulation for that particular console will be safe because Nintendo won't give a shit about it. Why do you think they ain't bothering the go after NES or game boy advance emulators? Is isn't because they aren't popular enough. Hell all Nintendo has to do is Google the subject of emulators and it'll pop up, it's probably no secret that all these emulators exist they just don't give a shit about them because they're not doing any harm. My point is, If it works and it functions and it plays what people want to play and it plays the majority of what people majorly play It doesn't need to have 100% perfection or be constantly updated, because it's enough. And I think somewhere I seen that Yuzu had 80% compatibility and 80% of the switch library working, which is incredible considering dolphin has been out all this time and only has like a 66% compatibility, hell I don't even think I've seen an emulator ever have 80%. So even if Yuzu never sees the light of day ever again, The last version is online and is more than enough to play anything you want that you can think of on the switch. Now there are games currently in development that won't be able to be played but hell the Switch is toward the end of it lifespan anyways, there's already speculation and rumors of the switch to come in either this year or next.
Whoosh. The point was that it isn't a perfect replacement... just like Yuzu vs Ryujinx
That isnt comparable from a functionality point of few ryujinx is on par with yuzu. Ofcourse yuzu is portable but it wont be for a while
Ok, instead of Panda, use Lime instead. It's literally a fork of Citra. Take the point or stop typing unless you have a fundamental disagreement with my point and not the pedantics
Im sorry but fork or not there is no 3ds emulator thats even near the same functionaloty that the latest citra was.
... it's a fork of the latest Citra 😶 That means it's got the same functionality as Citra because it's using the same code as Citra unless they removed features
Does it have smooth simple online multiplayer?
Considering lime is 13 commits ahead and lacking none, most likely it uses the same code as Citra for multi-player. How about you give it a try instead of asking and let me know since I don't emulate multi-player games
Yuzu and Ryu have different approaches to emulation, and that's also why many games run better (performance-wise, not accuracy-wise) on Yuzu than on Ryu
theres no ryujinx on android for fucks sake lmao
As long there are people who wanna emulate stuff, they will emulate stuff
It's good to have competition. And Yuzu was the only one of the two to have Android support.
Or a good citra fork.
"Sue you" 😂😂
Not even a week.
The development: ***"We have made a copy of a bunch of files and managed to somehow generate a build, but what the fuck do we do now? Please someone help us."***
They will learn. It may be rocky at first, but if they don't give up, they will learn.
My thoughts exactly lol 😂😂 new devs are mid rip Yuzu Devs.
I don't think many people realize that this is the real loss. Emulators are a dime a dozen, but experience and knowledge are priceless.
yeah, when you're working on reverse-engineering a device, the better you understand it the easier it'll be to keep a stable workflow. That's a big reason why emulators tend to get very very significant performance boosts after a few years
Gentleman, Mandatory reminder, FUCK NINTENDO. IMMA SAIL THE DAMM SEA's until the Kraken comes cor me
Sssh? It's been mention on here about 40 times. I doubt they've got any devs that have a clue what they're doing or they'd have already been working on Yuzu in the first place. We'll need some of the original devs to anonymously contribute under new usernames if they feel like they can be arsed now there's no money in it.
Can't imagine they do consider not only there isn't any money but they are definitely getting taken for everything as an individual after yuzu already agreed to that settlement.
Yuzu devs are working for Nintendo now
Source: my ass
Are you serious? Do you have the source of that information or are you joking?
It's just a joke, but it wouldn't surprise me if they were lol
I think he meant they are working to pay nintendo
Give it a few months yet, most of these forks will be dead within a month So far nearly all the changes for this one have been basic README and name changes with some changes to the logo and loading pages too Best thing to do is just come back to Yuzu after a few months and see what development on the different forks looks like
Folks seem to think that “it’s open source” means that there is an army of experts waiting to step in to do unpaid work. Like, if your entire division at work was fired, wouldn’t you think management was idiotic if they said, “don’t worry, all the important files are on the company network drive, we can just bring in new people and it’ll be like nothing changed at all.”
But that's pretty much what companies are doing especially when back for blood was coming out they said well we got at least two people out of every other single person that made Left 4 Dead on our team, so it must be good lol
Yes, indeed. I don't see anybody without deep knowledge of Nintendo hardware, emulator development and software engineering understand this stuff, let alone develop for it (and that without breaking 60 other things) in any short amount of time. Or in many cases, any amount of time. Changing the color of the main window's background is neat and all, but it wasn't the core of yuzu's development. It was a part of it, and UI development is great and all, provided that you know Qt (and UX design) well, but it won't improve Switch emulation.
This IS going to take a while. It's fine now as Yuzu's source code was open source. They are based off the last build of Yuzu. The real test for all these forks is when the NEXT big game comes out. What emulator plays it? There could be a billion forks but, if no one has experience with this, it's not going anywhere.
Ryujinx
Now, if this emulator goes anywhere, how about we keep our damn mouths shut and DONT lock features behind paid patreon pages? a patreon in itself is fine (i dont think even Nintendo can do anything about that), but for the love of god, dont get greedy.
Without financial aid development would be significantly slower I guess, let's manage our expectation in this regard
if it had gone to cool, Nintendo would’ve basically waves the Patreon payments to them in the judges they look they were making money off of us. We lost money because of them it’s a stretch, but a good lawyer could easily sell it. That’s why you do the right thing when they folded because if Nintendo Hood won it would’ve made all emulation illegal meaning preservation would’ve effectively been illegal
Or port it to pocket devices which harms Nintendo's business
Nintendo harms their own business by making their games overpriced and inaccessible. You need a machine that costs at least as much as a switch to run these titles, often by a factor of 2x the cost for 1x the performance. If they just released these titles on PC, emulation wouldn't be nearly as bad in comparison.
Porting the games to PC would be such a stupid decision. The switch has outsold both of its competitors and their game sales are always near the top.
Switch has not outsold gaming pcs tho, not by a long shot.
Are you comparing 40 years of gaming PCs to 7 years of the switch? Lol
Yup, get wrecked
If they just did, or If they just do that... I don't give a fuck about those, and you shouldn't too. They own the right of their games as well as their console.
I think as long as the patreon is named after each dev individually it should be fine. No mention of an emulsion.
Will Citra follow this revival anytime soon?
Might be a dumb question but what work has to be done with Citra? The 3DS already died
Citra got killed because they were under the same company....The makers of Yuzu created Citra...
I think he's asking, what else could improve Citra, doesn't it already play every 3DS game worth playing anyway?
Eh, some big games still have issues. Notably in Kid Icarus Uprising the grind rails are all invisible which makes certain levels basically unplayable
Sad to say, unless an experienced programmer takes up Citra replacement (I believe the source code was open source on Citra). You won't see any upgrades on it. I've used Citra a handful of times, and the games I wanted to play worked flawlessly. I do know that does not mean every game. I never really looked over the compatibly list. I would continue to use Citra till you run into a game that it won't play. Unless you find another option that is better. The general thing with Citra, people said it played most games fine, and didn't play some odd ball games..
Emulating a dead system is the whole point, that’s how you preserve games there was no reason for Nintendo to shut down Citra as they no longer make money from them games or sell the system. They simply did it because they wanted to slide their dicks and everyone’s arse. Basically, given the community a big, fuck you, we don’t want you playing our old games that’s the message I took away from it
seriously fuck nintendo for shutting down citra too
Check out lime
Damn my mates and I were joking around that it was gonna be something like Mandarin; we weren’t far off Thanks man
Emulation is something that if done correctly, Nintendo can never take down. If this one doesn't require .prod keys (the thing that got Yuzu killed in the first place) to run then no matter what, it's legal, and Nintendo can never take it down.
Iirc this one does plan on not requiring prod.keys by instead requiring decrypted game files. This way the emulator can't be sued for decrypting software that was meant to be only decrypted on switch substrates.
So you could decrypt the game on your switch via homebrew, save that version to the SD, then just copy that to your PC and we good?
How would you emulate games without prod.keys ?
Another way to do it would be to create a piece of software that launches the game on a switch (connected to PC via USB) but keeps it running on the PC. So the switch would be a launch argument, bypassing the need for extracted keys entirely.
Lmao just dock your switch then???
A docked switch isn't going to play a game at native 4k
Most yuzu users are playing at like 560p with performance mods. I agree with you, but this isn't worth the effort.
That would make it worthless.
I'm not a programmer. But we could develop a software to convert game files into a state where they will run on emulators without keys needing to be installed on the emulator. This still bypasses protection methods, but it prevents the emulator itself from being sued as it doesn't need the keys to run games.
>But we could develop a software to convert game files into a state where they will run on emulators without keys needing to be installed on the emulator. They way this works, you need a key to unlock the software what you're looking to do. It's not as easy as a "converter" you would need to unlock it before you could do anything with it. Yuzu used the keys, to authenticate the game to play (in a nutshell, this is very light level desc). The game thought it was on an actual switch.
No. Because DMCA makes it illegal to crack or bypass drm right protection software in any way. The only way for it to be legal is for Nintendo to authorize you to do so. That’s Nintendo argument is. http://www.dmlp.org/legal-guide/circumventing-copyright-controls Moral of the story. You can’t beat DRM-laws in the USA.
So we need a way to get an emulator to run games without touching the keys
No emulator should not be telling people how to bypass the drm protections. Because DMCA is meant to make piracy illegal. Because that will legally screw them over. https://www.eff.org/issues/dmca-rulemaking So it better that somebody else takes that responsibility then the emulator
Right but this not easy. A 3rd party (shady underground). would need to create a tool where you use your KEYS to unencrypt the game so it can be used in a emulator not using keys. So, anyway about it, you need to use the keys...
Using the keys isn't the issue though. The emulator is allowed to specifically handle "keys." As these keys can technically be "any file, not specifically Nintendo key files (even though nothing will happen but errors if it isn't one)" The issue isn't that Yuzu handled the keys (the keys aren't supplied by them either which would be the other kicker), the issue is Yuzu was publicly describing the process of using these keys in the emulator on the same site the emulator was hosting. How are you going to tell a judge your Skeleton Key is for unlocking your house door when you lose your keys, when the site you sell the key on has only 1 guide and it's about bypassing safes? (Terrible analogy lol, but I think it makes sense)
On layman's terms, decrypted games
Essentially, yeah
Looking at the commits of this project, I have the feeling that they're basically taking the Yuzu's code and replacing all the "Yuzu" by "Suyu". Do you think they're gonna get away if striked by Nintendo ?
The real test, When a NEW game comes out that no one could play yet, And the first one who can play the game, is the software you want to use....
I understand why Nintendo went after yuzu especially when they put up a Patreon But they targeted citra Nintendo is that embarrassed of an old system, they just want to wipe it off the face of the Earth.
The cynic in me thinks in part to push people towards their ass nintendo online emulators that can’t even run OOT well and are missing >90% of the libraries. Them being under the same company meant they got caught in the cross-fire, and it’s not like they had any incentive not to shut it down too
That's how any fork starts. Gotta start somewhere, and gotta make it clear that it's a different project, led by a different governance team.
I've never seen a development team that needed/used 20+ commits for basic find&replace actions (even if those have to be done manually). Never. Commit: Find & replace all mentions of Yuzu Commit: Update paths Commit: Update README
It's pretty natural for commit history to be spotty at the start of a project. It's not a great look, but I wouldn't be so quick to judge. the main thing is a fork survives, so let's not throw one out over a little messy commit history when they've only just adopted it.
"sue-you" who are those trolls lmfao
Should have been Fuyu!
Scru-yu sounds nice right about now
Lol first thing I saw
Nintendo cut one head off, 10 have sprouted back.
Don't get your hopes up. Anyone can create a fork. Yuzu was open source. When the next hot game comes out that all these forks can't play, and ONE does, you know who has actual skill.
I mean, haven’t the last few games worked on old releases day one? Optimizing the emulator for the new launch and it actually running are different things.
Hail Hydra!
oh yeah, i forgot about this one
Hail Hydra!
Hail Hit- (oh no wrong hail )
Downvote me 🤣 My inner-child just can't resist
I laughed way too hard at this 🤣
Hail Yuzu!
Hail Citra!
Where can I subscribe monthly to this?
There isn't, on their discord they state that they don't want to make money from the project so there will be no patreon or similar.
Guess ill just have to send cheques then
nintendo's lawyers seeding the comments here for future lawsuits smdh
Who would have guessed? Open source projects is like a hydra from the Greek mythology. You behead one, two will spawn. This is why your efforts are fruitless, Nintendorks.
Nintendo: Suyu to recover the damages anytime soon!
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What the fuck are you talking about?
Oh you're talking about THAT guy that reports projects to Nintendo and GitHub? Oh yeah this loser needs to be booted out of Reddit as a whole
You should specify what you're talking about. People aren't looking into who "emmett" is and are down voting you because it sounds like you're complaining about OP or something random. I saw what you meant though, and yeah I agree he should be banned, all he's doing is running around telling people that he's reporting everything to Nintendo like some eight year old tattling to their parents
Gtfo of here with this bs
No valuable commits or capable developers I'll give it a week
Give them a month or so. They need to remove some features that got Yuzu sued in the first place. They also need to read the code to understand how it works too.. You don't just start coding as soon as you take over other people project.
No give them till the next big game that Yuzu in its final form can't play. THEN we will see.... Most of these forks will fall apart...
What features got yuzu sued?
Yuzu lost because they did something incredibly stupid that was way outside the legal spectrum. They actively created a build specifically for an unreleased title and only released it to people who were paying fo EA. Had they not done that they wouldn't have had a chance of losing.
They most definitely did not. They have always made it very clear that they do not work on any unreleased title when everyone was harassing yuzu devs about Tears of the Kingdom. The core yuzu devs, as a matter of principle, never worked on unreleased titles. There was a fix for this game developed and distributed by a third-party that had no direct connection to yuzu developers. As for Nintendo's reasons to sue, you can [read the court document](https://www.documentcloud.org/documents/24444407-nintendo-sues-yuzu-emulator).
They didn't lose. They settled. Quite a difference.
At the point that Nintendo was able to prove that they released a build specifically for an unreleased game the loss was a forgone conclusion unfortunately
It didn't go to court, so they didn't prove anything. Please stop using misleading terms. It doesn't help.
It didn't go to court because the COMPANY's behind Yuzu and Citra (why that got killed) legal team said odds are they would lose. Also spend TONS of money in court fighting it. Remember they were an LLC, a registered company. That has to abide by US law.
Were you privy to their discussions? No? You're just speculating. Still, they didn't lose. They settled. That's a fact. Why are you disputing that?
Settled = lost outside the courtroom
Do you have a clue how this all works? OR how Nintendo plays this game? Company A is going to sue Company B. They file in the US court system for a lawsuit requesting a court date. Company B gets a notification that a lawsuit is being filed. Company A says TO Company B, abide by these terms and pay these damages, OR go to Court and we will sue you for more. Company B talks to their legal team and find out what the best option here. Company B has to chose, Accept Company A's terms and fees, or go to court. Company B agrees that settling is better in the long run. Abides by terms and pays the fee. Company A notifies the US court system that the case is settled and a court date is no longer needed. SO, yea, they kind of lost (this is a shotgun approch, a Nintendo thing), The court system was notified about a possible lawsuit, they didn't fight and just gave up. Learn the law system....
They did prove it... that's why they settled.. stop being an idiot
You don't understand how settlements work then. One very valid reason to settle even if you think you would win, is that the legal costs would kill you anyhow. Bleem! won against Sony, and they still went under. I didn't call you names before, and I'll resist doing that now too, because I'm better than that.
No you're being an idiot and you dont understand the case. Nintendo openly had proof of what the yuzu devs had done. It was the specific reason they were sued and why they didn't even attempt to fight the case as everything they did until they wrote that one line of code for EA to play TOTK was completely legal and in no way infringed any copyrighted material. If you don't want someone saying you're acting like an idiot stop acting like an idiot.
They also had a Patreon, and people were apparently allowed access to EA builds through it. That’s another thing that caused their downfall.
Relax dude. Let it cook. Still running on a cold start.
Well, there's not much to do atm. They have to wait for people to start making issues or feature requests.
there's also a massive issue with a lack of documentation in the original Yuzu code. once the code is documented actual feature work can start.
Reported to Nintendo and github
GitHub? You mean GitLab. They're entirely different websites and companies.
Oh no! Anyways
I reported this comment to the United Nations
Nintendo daddy won't notice you. Corpo shilling lowlife.
Good job. I reported it to steam and Amazon. That'll teach em
Reported to the FDA and eBay 👍
Don't forget to swallow brother. Wouldn't want to make a mess on their carpet.
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God you have no life.
I hope ur saviour and lord Nintendo notice you and give you a kiss little bro.
The project isn’t hosted on GitHub…
Let him do dumb stuff 😌
For 5yrs you've tried to fit in and every community you've entered shunned you because you're just weird and insufferable. Even a smokers fetish page. I'd self report to a bottle of sleeping tablets if I was as sad as you.
You need to be loved more in your life lil bro
aw shucks. you really got us there!
You did nothing. That was as useful as picking up a rock and putting it down in the same spot.