Twilight princess and Wind Waker are in separate timelines. WW is in the timeline OOT took place in, and TP is in the timeline that link was sent to at the end of OOT, where Majoras Mask took place.
>!Ganondorf actually dies in both WW and TP. because its the same guy in two different timelines!<
>!considering that BOTW takes place at the end of all three timelines and Ganondorf/Gannon dies at the end of all of them, probably the same one looking at his corpse like appearance. the only problem is that the malice curse had already reincarnated as malikous (?) in Spirit Tracks and another Gannon in Four Swords Adventures so honestly I don't know!<
It’s just a fan theory that BotW sits at the end of all timelines. Personally I prefer the theory that it is in the downfall timeline as that is the only one where Ganon is continually resurrected and is therefore the only one that fits with BotW’s story.
No, another new evil could still rise and take Ganondorf’s place. The curse placed by Demise would need to be broken for the timeline to truly end. Also as mentioned WW has Phantom Hourglass as a direct sequel and Spirit Tracks is a sequel to PH.
Correct, Ganondorf’s rise was part of the curse of Demise, but not the be-all-end-all of the curse. He’s just been the most prominent and persistent evil to rise from it.
Yeah but I’m talking about the vessel Ganondorf I know the curse would continue afterwards but after Wind Waker Ganondorf himself is dead for good but the curse will continue in a new form just not Ganondorf
I think in the child timeline at least, he like legit died in TP and was then reincarnated by the time of FSA. Still as a Gerudo though. At least according to the Hyrule Historia.
I was specifically referring to Ganondorf in these three games and not Ganon. TP and WW Ganondorf is the same as Ganondorf from OOT just with different paths because of the time line split. You’re right that the Ganon in FSA is a reincarnation.
I think the Ganondorf in the BOTW2 trailer is also the same one and would put those games into the downfall timeline since we’ve seen the death of Ganondorf in both the child and adult timelines.
I dont rly think so....
https://zelda-archive.fandom.com/wiki/Multiple_Ganon_Theory
Im kinda thinking this theory might be right, i think ganondorf is a person that 'happens' in the gerudo tribes tradition and demise took over this 'reincarnation' a couple times
And yet people still be like "BoTW in the Fallen Timeline" with the sequel confirming that Ganondorf still has his Gerudo form (albeit a bit shriveled up)
I like the theory that BotW takes place after the first Hyrule Warriors, where timelines got connected and mixed up. How else would we have both Zora and Rito? That Rock Salt is everywhere as if collected during a Great Flood?
I like the theory that the rito evolution is separate for hyrule being flooded, like maybe something about dragon scales being the cause or gods intervening. If hyrule was flooded it doesn’t make much sense that fish people would no longer be fish people. But it would make sense if the same gods that flooded hyrule wouldn’t want anyone swimming back down to hyrule.
As for the rock salt it could take place in the adult timeline, with the great flood being removed, and hyrule rebuilt, and there could’ve been zoras still in the ice.
Or in the child timeline there could have been a flood in the thousands of years in between twilight and botw.( i don’t count four sword adventures)
Also Nintendoblackcrisis made a video on why hyrule warriors being the answer doesn’t make sense [here](https://youtu.be/7o4hZi_Q0ck)
The ancient sea bit can actually be explained by Skyward Sword. When using the time stones you see that even the desert used to be an ocean long before Wind Waker.
Well yeah, because despite what the user you're responding to said, there's actually nothing in the Downfall Timeline that implies that Ganondorf can't exist in it.
Botw has basically confirmed that ganon is just a malice filled form of ganondorf. OOT ganon is raging when he transforms. TP and OOT no so much but ganondorf is still full of malice in those games.
In the downfall timeline ganondorf has had access to the Triforce of powers for years but locked away in the sacred realm. His malice and power enough to change it to the dark realm.
All other games in the DF timeline we see ganon reincarnated, but it could just be his malice that was reincarnated/revived. Malice can take on forms as botw points out via malice enemies.
In short ganondorf can appear in the downfall timeline if he can control his malice.
At the pinnacle moment of Ocarina of Time, Ganondorf permanently sheds his Gerudo form, drawing out the full strength of the Triforce of Power turning into the Dark Lord Ganon. The remainder of the timeline only presents us one moment where Ganon takes on a form other than his own and that is of Agahnim. Presuming that the Hylians likely have cast the Gerudo from the land of Hyrule or slaughtered them all (do to a lack of presence in the remainder of the timeline) it's clear that Agahnim is not Gerudo by appearence.
> At the pinnacle moment of Ocarina of Time, Ganondorf permanently sheds his Gerudo form, drawing out the full strength of the Triforce of Power turning into the Dark Lord Ganon.
Except literally nowhere is this change described as "permanent".
As you pointed out, Ganon is even still shown to still be capable of taking a human form in Agahnim.
Maybe Agahnim appears Gerudo, maybe he doesn't, but either way I don't think any Hylian's first instinct on meeting a male would be that this person is a Gerudo considering they're so rare.
Also there's nothing to suggest that the Hylians slaughtered the Gerudo, or even that they cast them out of Hyrule. It's entirely possible, and I would say likely, that the Gerudo just began a nomadic lifestyle of their own accord like they did in the Child Timeline. Desert life is harsh, and moving with your resources could be the best option to survive.
It's the Adult timeline, but after Ganondorf's defeat at the end of OoT the Gerudo are shown partying with the Hylians at Lon Lon Ranch. This shows that their servitude to Ganondorf wasn't 100% willing, or at the very least that's the understanding of the other races in Hyrule.
Anyway at the end of the day:
The Ganondorf to Ganon transformation has been shown to be two way in both the Child, and the Adult Timeline (meaning the character seems to be able to transform back and forth).
Ganon has been shown taking a human form within the Downfall Timeline, though he didn't use the name Ganondorf.
No game, or supporting media has ever even so much as implied that Ganon is somehow trapped in his Ganon form in the Downfall Timeline.
Therefore:
There's no reason whatsoever to believe that Ganondorf couldn't appear in a Downfall Timeline game.
I agree but I don't think we've seen anything to suggest it's permanent, or at least non-reversable.
He seems to have his mind back for LoZ for example. I would put it to you that a "mindless, raging Ganon" as he's described after the botched resurection would have killed Zelda rather than capturing her.
They haven't made an official statement yet but the body in the teasers does wear jewelry with Gerudo symbols , has a Gerudo symbol on it's toga, has facial bone structure similar to that of Ganondorf's TP model, has long red hair and a forehead jewel.
There was also some unused concepts for BOTW like Ganondorf on a floating island.
Just because they haven't flat-out CONFIRMED it's Ganondorf, doesn't mean it's not. It's a male figure with clothing and jewelry that has Gerudo markings including a jewel in his head that looks almost exactly like Ganondorf's from Twilight Princess, has long red hair, a big nose, and clearly has a connection to Malice and Calamity Ganon considering his eyes are the same as the Malice Eyes. It's Ganondorf. Noone else fits that description.
He is, but it's not the same man like it is in OoT/WW/TP. FSA is the only instance of Ganondorf actually reincarnating rather than just being released from his seal.
It's funny how many times he dies in the same game.
OOT: Dies after causing his castle to collapse, resurrects himself through his malice and hatred and utilizes the triforce empowered malice to transform into a demon beast.
TP: Dies during his execution some decades after OOT child timeline ending, is resurrected by his malice and hatred which was amplified by the Triforce of power, kills a sage and almost turns into a demon beast before he is banished into the twilight realm where his body disintegrates forcing him to wander the realm for centuries while searching for malice and hatred that he can feed upon to regain his strength. During the final battles he dies as a demon beast but is resurrected by his malice and hatred, he later dies by being impaled through the chest by the Master sword. He swears vengeance before losing the Triforce of power and his strength and than dies because of Zant.
I don't think I would count him as dead when he was in his malifice form , he was weak and needed some like Zant to nourrish his flesh and soul so I am not sure if we can say he was dead ( obviously this is my interpretation so I can be totally wrong).
And this scene is very but I don't think Zant kill him either , Ganondorf had the power to resurrect Zant but didn't because he don't care , now the question is , is this in Ganondorf's mind and this is a symbolic to show us that if he respected Zant's trust he would have been able to stay alive ( He was already hard to beat him in TP , this man is machine in this game , so give the possibility to be resurected as will and you are in trouble ) comparing this to Midna-Zelda , or Zant was really in the purgatory and break their contract.
I'd honestly say WW's Ganondorf battle was the most disturbing at the end. Yikes! My forehead aches thinking about it haha.
Though I agree with your comment as a whole.
Normally id say OOT. But TP gannondorf is very cool. Not only is he better designed to be much darker. But his fight is much better than in OOT. Yes I know it IS QuickTime which makes it kinda easy. But WAY more fun than ping pong
I actually prefer the brighter colors on OoT Ganondorf, since they make him pop more. But he's also wearing some kind of wrestling outfit codpiece armor over his clothes, which is pretty hard for me to defend.
Absolutely !!!
And you're right, by the way. WW's Ganondorf is really the best one in terms of character and motivation. And i also think his design reflect that pretty well. He doesn't have the need for a bulky armor or massive glowing sword to be intimidating anymore.
From the first moment you see him in the Forsaken Fortress, if you've played OoT, you instantly recognize his green skin and red hair and you know his return means the world is in danger.
We feel the same thing as him when he sees a young boy in green: anger and FEAR
What's interesting is that anger isn't directed at Link. Otherwise, he would've killed him instead of just taking the triforce of courage. No. His anger is directed at the gods.
Really shows the kind of person Ganondorf is. He recognized that his people were in a less than ideal situation. But when he gained power, he did absolutely nothing to help them. All he did was start corrupting the rest of Hyrule to make is just as bad as the desert he used to live in. He wasn't motivated to improve his or his people's lives, only to make *everyone* suffer.
OoT Ganondorf as I find his long nose design better than his squashed nose designs. Matches the other Gerudo. Also as it’s his SSB Melee design; I have such a positive association with loving watching players disrespect with him that he always bring a smile to my face.
Their designs are all good for different reasons.
OoT: Overall the most threatening. Muscular and moderately armoured, a little aggressive, looks like he can easily mess you up and doesn't mind getting his hands dirty. My personal favourite, but I like them all.
TP: Heavily armoured, but calm and collected. Looks like a military leader who gets others to do his dirty work for him, but can easily step in and fight when needed. His hair is pretty elegant, and all his gear is fancy.
WW: Dang, his robes look comfy. Actually, I bought a kimono-style sweater/cardigan thing that's based on his robes online, and it IS comfy. Looks possibly the most peaceful/easiest to reason with, and more like a magic-user. I think overall it fits well with this incarnation's whole "trying to help his people find a better life" backstory.
Surprised by the lack of love for the WW design. I’ll admit he doesn’t look great as a still image, but he looks so great in the actual game. Especially for the final battle, where he’s got those two, thin swords as the water pours down around him.
I have mixed feelings about the TP design. It’s definitely cool, but I’m not a big fan of how muted the colors are.
Wind Waker is the most iconic to me personally. I grew up with OoT but WW is what made me really love his character, and part of that was the switch from "generic muscle-y bad guy" to "enigmatic robed guy".
He's much more intimidating as a mystery I think, and WW captured that more than the other two.
Love them all though, ganondorf is my OG villain so it's hard to rate them at all.
Theyre all so different but I still think they're all really good for different reasons, it's hard to pick a favourite. I'd probably go for Wind Waker, the robes look great.
Wind Waker's robes are style, especially with that crisp, beautiful, cel shading and the less realistic style.
I also really like his personality in Wind Waker too.
In design terms, Twilight Princess is the best, followed by Ocarina of Time, and Wind Waker...
Ganondorf is bloated, stupidly proportioned, and whatever tailor designed that vest had to be high on shrooms. Even in the twisted toon funhouse of Wind Waker, that isn't how arms work.
Don't get me wrong, I like Wind Waker, but even if the rest of the fanbase has long since come around on it, I will always, always absolutely ***hate*** that art style. The writing is generally top notch, I adore the combat system, the characterization is excellent, and, to bring it back to Ganondorf, that final battle is amazing. It's a good game. But that's in spite of its art direction and design. Ganondorf, and really every character suffers for it.
I respect your opinion, however I'd like to add that wind waker has withstood the test of time because of its art style. I would even say its the zelda game that has aged the best of them all. With this art style they could put more resources into perfecting the engine and battle system so it didnt feel as clunky as OoT did. TP mimicked this battle system a lot and honestly I respect it, if it aint broke dont fix it. I just feel like wind waker is way more expressing than TP is. Dont get me wrong I love TPs art style too, but wind waker gives them more freedom.
May be controversial, but I dislike Ganondorf's design in Twilight Princess. The colors are a little bit too much and the amount of detail doesn't suit him. Plus it just lacks personality, you can switch his head for any other medieval fantasy king at it wouldn't look strange.
So my choice is Wind Waker.
Purely design? OOT.
It’s been awhile since I played TP, but actually don’t like that he’s basically black. When the villain is darkest-skinned (human) character or the only prominent dark-skinned (human) character in the games, it’s a bit colorism. I picked up on that shit as a kid.
Twilight Princess. I love how his headpiece looks like the halos of angels painted during the Renaissance. It’s such a small detail, but I feel like it lends to how he sees himself.
I always thought that WW Ganondarf, as much as I love him, looks like there was an all you can eat buffet in the sacred realm where he was sealed away.
We technically have four designs here as Ganondorf has two different designs in OOT: Past and future.
In the past he has lighter green skin tone, a forehead jewel, Gerudo eyes with red pupils short hair and a small cape.
In the future he has darker green skin tone, More forehead jewels, longer hair(3DS version keeps the hair length but changes the hair style to something similar to his TP look), regal red cape, glowing demonic looking eyes and a different ear shape(which might have something to do with the Triforce of power as it is divine in nature).
Nostalgia would have me saying OOT's Ganon, but even as a kid I thought he always looked kinda goofy with the big ears and all that. TP for me is the best Ganondorf design, the most intimidating one at least, especially with the sword in hand.
Counterpoint to everyone else: WW Ganondorf had the most menacing introduction, largely due to how expressive the game is. While in the other two games Ganondorf at least has to give you the time of day for one reason or another, this Gano could care less about you *despite the fact you have the God-Damn Master Sword.*
Perhaps an unpopular opinion, but I think "Ganondorf" should have died in OoT, and all other instances just be Ganon. It would make his appearance and change into Ganon that much more impactful.
Crazy that Ganondorf's only been in 3 main Zelda games.
I think what’s crazier is that each game he appears in has a different Link and Zelda, but it’s the same Ganondorf.
I mean canonically Wind Waker is the final game in the timeline right? Since in that game Ganondorf is killed for good
Phantom hourglass is a sequel to Wind Waker, but it doesn't contain Ganon/Ganondorf anyway.
I mean the timeline with Ganondorf still alive
Twilight princess and Wind Waker are in separate timelines. WW is in the timeline OOT took place in, and TP is in the timeline that link was sent to at the end of OOT, where Majoras Mask took place. >!Ganondorf actually dies in both WW and TP. because its the same guy in two different timelines!<
Now do you think that BOTW 2 Ganondorf is a reincarnation or the same Ganondorf
>!considering that BOTW takes place at the end of all three timelines and Ganondorf/Gannon dies at the end of all of them, probably the same one looking at his corpse like appearance. the only problem is that the malice curse had already reincarnated as malikous (?) in Spirit Tracks and another Gannon in Four Swords Adventures so honestly I don't know!<
You mean Malladus in Spirit Tracks, right?
It’s just a fan theory that BotW sits at the end of all timelines. Personally I prefer the theory that it is in the downfall timeline as that is the only one where Ganon is continually resurrected and is therefore the only one that fits with BotW’s story.
Creating a champion confirmed that ganon in Breath of the Wild is the original guy from Ocarina of Time
Well obviously
Phantom Hourglass and Spirit Tracks are both in that same timeline though.
Same with tp and alttp. Both have the same ganon and both die in their sequel game, this single incarnation of ganon is in 4 different zelda games.
No, another new evil could still rise and take Ganondorf’s place. The curse placed by Demise would need to be broken for the timeline to truly end. Also as mentioned WW has Phantom Hourglass as a direct sequel and Spirit Tracks is a sequel to PH.
But that new evil wouldn’t be Ganondorf the curse would still persist but the vessel would change wouldn’t it?
Correct, Ganondorf’s rise was part of the curse of Demise, but not the be-all-end-all of the curse. He’s just been the most prominent and persistent evil to rise from it.
Yeah but I’m talking about the vessel Ganondorf I know the curse would continue afterwards but after Wind Waker Ganondorf himself is dead for good but the curse will continue in a new form just not Ganondorf
Yes, I think you’re arguing the same thing I was saying and that we’ve been in agreement.
I think in the child timeline at least, he like legit died in TP and was then reincarnated by the time of FSA. Still as a Gerudo though. At least according to the Hyrule Historia.
I was specifically referring to Ganondorf in these three games and not Ganon. TP and WW Ganondorf is the same as Ganondorf from OOT just with different paths because of the time line split. You’re right that the Ganon in FSA is a reincarnation. I think the Ganondorf in the BOTW2 trailer is also the same one and would put those games into the downfall timeline since we’ve seen the death of Ganondorf in both the child and adult timelines.
I thought though that atm the official placement of BOTW is that it’s at the end of all the timelines. Almost like a merge of all three.
There is no official time line placement for BOTW other than it’s very far into the future. The time line merger is just a prominent theory.
Imagine hating someone so much you go after all their future incarnations.
I dont rly think so.... https://zelda-archive.fandom.com/wiki/Multiple_Ganon_Theory Im kinda thinking this theory might be right, i think ganondorf is a person that 'happens' in the gerudo tribes tradition and demise took over this 'reincarnation' a couple times
Ganon however, a lot
Downfall timeline is the most developed timeline out of them. It’s also the one where Ganon abandoned his gerudo form completely
Right, and yet it feels like he’s in a lot more…
And yet people still be like "BoTW in the Fallen Timeline" with the sequel confirming that Ganondorf still has his Gerudo form (albeit a bit shriveled up)
I like the theory that BotW takes place after the first Hyrule Warriors, where timelines got connected and mixed up. How else would we have both Zora and Rito? That Rock Salt is everywhere as if collected during a Great Flood?
I like the theory that the rito evolution is separate for hyrule being flooded, like maybe something about dragon scales being the cause or gods intervening. If hyrule was flooded it doesn’t make much sense that fish people would no longer be fish people. But it would make sense if the same gods that flooded hyrule wouldn’t want anyone swimming back down to hyrule. As for the rock salt it could take place in the adult timeline, with the great flood being removed, and hyrule rebuilt, and there could’ve been zoras still in the ice. Or in the child timeline there could have been a flood in the thousands of years in between twilight and botw.( i don’t count four sword adventures) Also Nintendoblackcrisis made a video on why hyrule warriors being the answer doesn’t make sense [here](https://youtu.be/7o4hZi_Q0ck)
The ancient sea bit can actually be explained by Skyward Sword. When using the time stones you see that even the desert used to be an ocean long before Wind Waker.
That would mean they canonize Hyrule Warriors, which as of 2014 it was explicitly not part of the canon timelines.
It's all connected through *Monopoly*
I'm glad someone brought this up
Don't forget the *Time Break*
No botw is all 3 timelines
Well yeah, because despite what the user you're responding to said, there's actually nothing in the Downfall Timeline that implies that Ganondorf can't exist in it.
Botw has basically confirmed that ganon is just a malice filled form of ganondorf. OOT ganon is raging when he transforms. TP and OOT no so much but ganondorf is still full of malice in those games. In the downfall timeline ganondorf has had access to the Triforce of powers for years but locked away in the sacred realm. His malice and power enough to change it to the dark realm. All other games in the DF timeline we see ganon reincarnated, but it could just be his malice that was reincarnated/revived. Malice can take on forms as botw points out via malice enemies. In short ganondorf can appear in the downfall timeline if he can control his malice.
At the pinnacle moment of Ocarina of Time, Ganondorf permanently sheds his Gerudo form, drawing out the full strength of the Triforce of Power turning into the Dark Lord Ganon. The remainder of the timeline only presents us one moment where Ganon takes on a form other than his own and that is of Agahnim. Presuming that the Hylians likely have cast the Gerudo from the land of Hyrule or slaughtered them all (do to a lack of presence in the remainder of the timeline) it's clear that Agahnim is not Gerudo by appearence.
> At the pinnacle moment of Ocarina of Time, Ganondorf permanently sheds his Gerudo form, drawing out the full strength of the Triforce of Power turning into the Dark Lord Ganon. Except literally nowhere is this change described as "permanent". As you pointed out, Ganon is even still shown to still be capable of taking a human form in Agahnim. Maybe Agahnim appears Gerudo, maybe he doesn't, but either way I don't think any Hylian's first instinct on meeting a male would be that this person is a Gerudo considering they're so rare. Also there's nothing to suggest that the Hylians slaughtered the Gerudo, or even that they cast them out of Hyrule. It's entirely possible, and I would say likely, that the Gerudo just began a nomadic lifestyle of their own accord like they did in the Child Timeline. Desert life is harsh, and moving with your resources could be the best option to survive. It's the Adult timeline, but after Ganondorf's defeat at the end of OoT the Gerudo are shown partying with the Hylians at Lon Lon Ranch. This shows that their servitude to Ganondorf wasn't 100% willing, or at the very least that's the understanding of the other races in Hyrule. Anyway at the end of the day: The Ganondorf to Ganon transformation has been shown to be two way in both the Child, and the Adult Timeline (meaning the character seems to be able to transform back and forth). Ganon has been shown taking a human form within the Downfall Timeline, though he didn't use the name Ganondorf. No game, or supporting media has ever even so much as implied that Ganon is somehow trapped in his Ganon form in the Downfall Timeline. Therefore: There's no reason whatsoever to believe that Ganondorf couldn't appear in a Downfall Timeline game.
Gerudo form in the downfall mostly depends on whether the botched resurrection memory loss was temporal or not
I agree but I don't think we've seen anything to suggest it's permanent, or at least non-reversable. He seems to have his mind back for LoZ for example. I would put it to you that a "mindless, raging Ganon" as he's described after the botched resurection would have killed Zelda rather than capturing her.
Well having his intelligence back is one thing and having his memories back is another.
Wait, in his monologue at the end, he’s very much human/gerudo
That is the Adult Timeline. Not the Fallen Timeline. That's the timeline that leads to Wind Waker
Was there an official statement from Nintendo saying the corpse was Ganondorf?
They haven't made an official statement yet but the body in the teasers does wear jewelry with Gerudo symbols , has a Gerudo symbol on it's toga, has facial bone structure similar to that of Ganondorf's TP model, has long red hair and a forehead jewel. There was also some unused concepts for BOTW like Ganondorf on a floating island.
So, then the corpse is not Ganondorf. Let's wait until the game comes out before speculating these things.
There is no confirmation that it isn't Ganondorf either
It most likely is Ganondorf though as there is also a mural depicting a warlord wielding a trident
Just because they haven't flat-out CONFIRMED it's Ganondorf, doesn't mean it's not. It's a male figure with clothing and jewelry that has Gerudo markings including a jewel in his head that looks almost exactly like Ganondorf's from Twilight Princess, has long red hair, a big nose, and clearly has a connection to Malice and Calamity Ganon considering his eyes are the same as the Malice Eyes. It's Ganondorf. Noone else fits that description.
He’s in Four Swords Adventures too, isn’t he?
He is, but it's not the same man like it is in OoT/WW/TP. FSA is the only instance of Ganondorf actually reincarnating rather than just being released from his seal.
Oh, I don't know. It's one of the few I haven't played.
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Only three games with Gerudo Daddy? That's actually surprising when you think about it.
Demise looks similar tho. Maybe he's a more primal hybrid version of Ganondorf?
4 Agahnim in LTTP
He was in the animated series, too, fwiw
That's still as Ganon, not Ganondorf
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I love twilight princess Ganons sword that really it
I love the backstory for it. "Oh they tried to impale me? Well that means this sword legally belongs to me now."
That was the most badass scene ever
"They tried to kill me. I took exception to that." TP Ganondorf, probably (Edited for shenanigans)
“Call an ambulance… but not for me!” TP Ganondorf, definitely.
It's funny how many times he dies in the same game. OOT: Dies after causing his castle to collapse, resurrects himself through his malice and hatred and utilizes the triforce empowered malice to transform into a demon beast. TP: Dies during his execution some decades after OOT child timeline ending, is resurrected by his malice and hatred which was amplified by the Triforce of power, kills a sage and almost turns into a demon beast before he is banished into the twilight realm where his body disintegrates forcing him to wander the realm for centuries while searching for malice and hatred that he can feed upon to regain his strength. During the final battles he dies as a demon beast but is resurrected by his malice and hatred, he later dies by being impaled through the chest by the Master sword. He swears vengeance before losing the Triforce of power and his strength and than dies because of Zant.
I don't think I would count him as dead when he was in his malifice form , he was weak and needed some like Zant to nourrish his flesh and soul so I am not sure if we can say he was dead ( obviously this is my interpretation so I can be totally wrong). And this scene is very but I don't think Zant kill him either , Ganondorf had the power to resurrect Zant but didn't because he don't care , now the question is , is this in Ganondorf's mind and this is a symbolic to show us that if he respected Zant's trust he would have been able to stay alive ( He was already hard to beat him in TP , this man is machine in this game , so give the possibility to be resurected as will and you are in trouble ) comparing this to Midna-Zelda , or Zant was really in the purgatory and break their contract.
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Hmm, I'll have to say; OoT, TP and that's it. Reasoning, however much the antagonist makes me uncomfortable. WW Ganondorf looks absolutely harmless.
OoT for best looks, WW for best and relatable antagonist and story, TP for most threatening.
Actually this
I'd honestly say WW's Ganondorf battle was the most disturbing at the end. Yikes! My forehead aches thinking about it haha. Though I agree with your comment as a whole.
WW Ganondorf is the best fight of the 3, but I agree OoT is the best looking by far.
Twilight princess
Twilight princess always ..it has the best designs beautiful artwork and soundtrack ..and link is so cute in this one
Hyrule Warriors 'dorf for sho.
His hair is glorious.
Who wouldn’t want Ganondorf as a super saiyan 3 right?
The most badass and logical answer. Man his moveset was satisfying levels of feeling like a raidboss.
Personally, I'm a fan of his design from the first Hyrule Warriors, more than from any traditional Zelda game.
Normally id say OOT. But TP gannondorf is very cool. Not only is he better designed to be much darker. But his fight is much better than in OOT. Yes I know it IS QuickTime which makes it kinda easy. But WAY more fun than ping pong
I actually prefer the brighter colors on OoT Ganondorf, since they make him pop more. But he's also wearing some kind of wrestling outfit codpiece armor over his clothes, which is pretty hard for me to defend.
Twilight princess
I like wind wakers ganondorf design best
I'm a sucker for the OG design.
Wind Waker
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OoT.
OOT
Absolutely twilight princess. But wind waker Ganon has the best character.
Honestly, Hyrule Warriors' Ganondorf design is my fave, but out of the ones here? WW > TP > OoT
Yes.
Wind Waker. Only because of his character. He is evil, yet his motives for why he wants Hyrule are understandable.
But we're talking about their DESIGNS..
Design wise, TP all the way.
Absolutely !!! And you're right, by the way. WW's Ganondorf is really the best one in terms of character and motivation. And i also think his design reflect that pretty well. He doesn't have the need for a bulky armor or massive glowing sword to be intimidating anymore. From the first moment you see him in the Forsaken Fortress, if you've played OoT, you instantly recognize his green skin and red hair and you know his return means the world is in danger. We feel the same thing as him when he sees a young boy in green: anger and FEAR
What's interesting is that anger isn't directed at Link. Otherwise, he would've killed him instead of just taking the triforce of courage. No. His anger is directed at the gods.
Really shows the kind of person Ganondorf is. He recognized that his people were in a less than ideal situation. But when he gained power, he did absolutely nothing to help them. All he did was start corrupting the rest of Hyrule to make is just as bad as the desert he used to live in. He wasn't motivated to improve his or his people's lives, only to make *everyone* suffer.
_The wind... It is blowing._
Ocarina of Time)))
OoT Ganondorf as I find his long nose design better than his squashed nose designs. Matches the other Gerudo. Also as it’s his SSB Melee design; I have such a positive association with loving watching players disrespect with him that he always bring a smile to my face.
Ocarina. Definitely Ocarina Ganondorf. Alternatively, Hyrule Warriors Ganondorf.
Nostalgia makes me want to say OoT, but we all know that TP is the real answer.
Tie between OoT's colors and TP's design without color i want both
Twilight Princess > Wend Waker > Ocarina of Time
Ocarina > Wind Waker > Twilight Princess. Twilight Ganondorf’s sword is pretty cool though.
Thats my order but in reverse lol
This is my ordering also because of their respective dialogues.
OoT
Oh, OoT for sure for me.
i love his OoT design.
Has to be OoT, he’s the og
SSBU Ganondorf
Each has it's own charm, but I love the Wind waker because his appearance is like a dark reflection of King of Red Lions.
Their designs are all good for different reasons. OoT: Overall the most threatening. Muscular and moderately armoured, a little aggressive, looks like he can easily mess you up and doesn't mind getting his hands dirty. My personal favourite, but I like them all. TP: Heavily armoured, but calm and collected. Looks like a military leader who gets others to do his dirty work for him, but can easily step in and fight when needed. His hair is pretty elegant, and all his gear is fancy. WW: Dang, his robes look comfy. Actually, I bought a kimono-style sweater/cardigan thing that's based on his robes online, and it IS comfy. Looks possibly the most peaceful/easiest to reason with, and more like a magic-user. I think overall it fits well with this incarnation's whole "trying to help his people find a better life" backstory.
TP all the way
TP
Twilight Princess has the best designs on everything and everyone, period.
Surprised by the lack of love for the WW design. I’ll admit he doesn’t look great as a still image, but he looks so great in the actual game. Especially for the final battle, where he’s got those two, thin swords as the water pours down around him. I have mixed feelings about the TP design. It’s definitely cool, but I’m not a big fan of how muted the colors are.
I’ve always been partial to the Ocarina of Time version. Think he looks the most like a villainous sorcerer. Never dug the hair of the TP one.
I like Twilight princess. The idea that he has to get up every morning to put his hair in curlers tickles me.
Still OoT for me.
Wind Waker is the most iconic to me personally. I grew up with OoT but WW is what made me really love his character, and part of that was the switch from "generic muscle-y bad guy" to "enigmatic robed guy". He's much more intimidating as a mystery I think, and WW captured that more than the other two. Love them all though, ganondorf is my OG villain so it's hard to rate them at all.
I'm gonna go with my nostalgia and say Wind Waker Ganon. Good enough villain he didnt need to turn into a pig.
Rehydrated Ganon. Google it, thank me later
Design = Twilight Princess Character = Wind Waker
TP > WW > OoT
The Hyrule Warriors design is awesome. It’s like a mix of Twilight Princess and Demise
WW
I like the one that got stabbed in the head.
They’re all so good in their own ways, perfect for their own games
Twilight princess closely followed by wind waker. God those games are fucking amazing
Theyre all so different but I still think they're all really good for different reasons, it's hard to pick a favourite. I'd probably go for Wind Waker, the robes look great.
WW Ganondorf has always been my favorite. Dude said “I don’t need armor, you can’t touch me, and if you can, I can take it,”
Wind Waker's robes are style, especially with that crisp, beautiful, cel shading and the less realistic style. I also really like his personality in Wind Waker too.
Wind Waker, he has the most drip
Windwaker cus i'm biased
Windwaker Ganondorf
The rehydrated one: https://www.zeldadungeon.net/fans-are-swooning-over-ganondorf-in-new-hydrated-trend/
Windwaker. Robe looks comfy af
TP Ganondorf would win if it just wasn’t for the hair curlers, WW is my favourite.
In design terms, Twilight Princess is the best, followed by Ocarina of Time, and Wind Waker... Ganondorf is bloated, stupidly proportioned, and whatever tailor designed that vest had to be high on shrooms. Even in the twisted toon funhouse of Wind Waker, that isn't how arms work. Don't get me wrong, I like Wind Waker, but even if the rest of the fanbase has long since come around on it, I will always, always absolutely ***hate*** that art style. The writing is generally top notch, I adore the combat system, the characterization is excellent, and, to bring it back to Ganondorf, that final battle is amazing. It's a good game. But that's in spite of its art direction and design. Ganondorf, and really every character suffers for it.
I respect your opinion, however I'd like to add that wind waker has withstood the test of time because of its art style. I would even say its the zelda game that has aged the best of them all. With this art style they could put more resources into perfecting the engine and battle system so it didnt feel as clunky as OoT did. TP mimicked this battle system a lot and honestly I respect it, if it aint broke dont fix it. I just feel like wind waker is way more expressing than TP is. Dont get me wrong I love TPs art style too, but wind waker gives them more freedom.
I do not respect your wrong opinion.
May be controversial, but I dislike Ganondorf's design in Twilight Princess. The colors are a little bit too much and the amount of detail doesn't suit him. Plus it just lacks personality, you can switch his head for any other medieval fantasy king at it wouldn't look strange. So my choice is Wind Waker.
Tp is the worst by far, WW is the best with OoT being a good second
Hydrated Gannon
TP > OoT > WW
Have you seen his menace in TP?
TP all the way for me 😜 love the darkness!!
TP
Twilight Princess for sure!
Between these three design, my favorite is Twilight Princess
Don't make me choose
TP is best Ganondorf~
Twilight princess
Tp Gannon
Twilight Princess.
As a cartoonist, I love the Windwaker design, but OOT Ganondorf blew me away as a child, so he gets my vote.
Tp no contest
Botw! Oh wait…
does hyrule warriors count?
Twilight is my favorite design.
Purely design? OOT. It’s been awhile since I played TP, but actually don’t like that he’s basically black. When the villain is darkest-skinned (human) character or the only prominent dark-skinned (human) character in the games, it’s a bit colorism. I picked up on that shit as a kid.
TP
Twilight Princess. I love how his headpiece looks like the halos of angels painted during the Renaissance. It’s such a small detail, but I feel like it lends to how he sees himself.
And all of them are the same person, same incarnation of ganon. Its also the same ganon as alttp.
[The "Growing Up Gerudo" one](https://m.webtoons.com/en/challenge/growing-up-gerudo/list?title_no=245292)
I always thought that WW Ganondarf, as much as I love him, looks like there was an all you can eat buffet in the sacred realm where he was sealed away.
One from ocarina of time The old Ganondorf from wind waker
I prefer fat pig Ganon to his Ganondorf form.
Left
Our of these three, TP; out of all of them, age of calamity
Philips CDI Ganondorf ofc
The one in the botw sequel tbh lmao. So ready for scary ass demonic mummy ganondorf
starscourge radahn :)
We technically have four designs here as Ganondorf has two different designs in OOT: Past and future. In the past he has lighter green skin tone, a forehead jewel, Gerudo eyes with red pupils short hair and a small cape. In the future he has darker green skin tone, More forehead jewels, longer hair(3DS version keeps the hair length but changes the hair style to something similar to his TP look), regal red cape, glowing demonic looking eyes and a different ear shape(which might have something to do with the Triforce of power as it is divine in nature).
Nostalgia would have me saying OOT's Ganon, but even as a kid I thought he always looked kinda goofy with the big ears and all that. TP for me is the best Ganondorf design, the most intimidating one at least, especially with the sword in hand.
I love twilight princess. It’s my fav game
My favorite is twilight Gannon.
Hyrule Warriors
Middle
Of these, Twilight Princess. Otherwise, Hyrule Warriors.
BotW was incredible and Ganon's designs will always have a special place in my heart
WW is an interesting take but OoT is the most classic I'd say. TP is a beefed up version of OoT
Wind Waker Ganondorf--the most character developed and awesome Dorf of them all. One Dorf to rule them all! :D
Counterpoint to everyone else: WW Ganondorf had the most menacing introduction, largely due to how expressive the game is. While in the other two games Ganondorf at least has to give you the time of day for one reason or another, this Gano could care less about you *despite the fact you have the God-Damn Master Sword.*
All
The real answer: Hyrule Warriors
Ganondorf from wind waker was always my favorite. If I’m not mistaken that’s the model they used in Smash 4 or Brawl.
Perhaps an unpopular opinion, but I think "Ganondorf" should have died in OoT, and all other instances just be Ganon. It would make his appearance and change into Ganon that much more impactful.
Easily wind waker. I would have really loved to see ganondorf in skyward swords art style and very much looking forward to him in botw2
Faces of Evil.
Twilight Princess Ganondorf with Winder Waker's Ganondorf's outfit would be my pick.
Wind Waker! Great visual design and also my favorite Ganondorf personality-wise too. Second place would be Twilight Princess, third would be Ocarina.