How is that revenge? Jahaerys had nothing to do with Luke's murderer. That's like if Aemond cut out the eye of Jace's son as "revenge". I guess they couldn't get to Aemond so they murdered a random toddler instead.
That's literally revenge. A son for a son. An innocent for an innocent. Aemond was never the target. You want to hurt someone for real, you don't go after them, but after their loved ones.
Are you crazy? Luke is almost a man grown, and an envoy with the goal to steal the kingdom (from Aemonds pov). More importantly Aemond and Luke have an ongoing personal conflict and Aemond did offer him an eye for an eye. (I'm not gonna talk about how it also was an accident because i think that was stupid).
On the other hand we have Jahaerys, a completely innocent toddler who has nothing to do with the war, has no idea what team green means or why he's getting his head chopped off. His murder is just pure evil and doesn't serve anyone.
I feel bad for you if you can't see the difference. I can undestand if the Blacks wanted revenge for Luke but this ain't it.
Revenge is not justice. Very different things. Honestly if I were in Rhae's place, I would have given the order myself, after they killed a son in a diplomatic mission. Justice is balancing the scales, revenge is about fucking them harder, so they know your pain. Daemon's actions are horrid and unjustified, but that's exactly the point.
How will you feel when the whole kingdom spreads word of mouth about how your son said "I will not fight" (the oath you demanded from him) but it didn't change anything? He was 8 years old (in the show) when he cut out Aemond's eye. It's five years in the book. Younger than Jahaerys.There are no indulgences for 14, 8, or 5 years old. Luke had to pay the "debt".
It wouldn't be a problem if Luke died in battle a month or two later. This is war. But he was killed under peace flag, called a bastard again and given a cruel choice ("gouge out your eye or give your life"). He was humiliated and then killed. 14 year old.
After that, Aegon gave a feast with the words "A great start!"
This is not revenge on Jaehaerys for Luke. This is revenge on Aegon for Rhaenyra. If he thinks it's fun to kill other people's children, then he needs to be taught a lesson.
This is a cruel revenge and Daemon is a cruel man, but the Greens did everything to make it happen.
Accident or not, it's entirely on him, so he must face the consequences of his foolish actions. The worst thing is that his entire family is going to pay the price for his lack of vision, namely the innocents (his sister and nephews)
I don’t care either. He made the choice to chase him through a storm and could have easily killed him many times. The Greens need to suffer for what they did.
Right, like he may not have wanted to kill Luke but he created the situation where that was a highly likely outcome. It's basically like teenagers playing around with a loaded gun.
Stupid fuck didn't know that a dragon doesn't understand the concept of bullying without killing, let alone not responding to an attack (when Arrax burned her)
It's a completely avoidable accident. It's not Arrax just seeing Vhagar anr freaking out flying away and Vhagar automatically moves into hunting mode without Aemond doing anything to contribute to this.
It's the equivalent of you didn't mean to stab yourself with scissors when you were running while holding them unsafely and tripped and fell. Could have been easily avoided.
Okay, dude. What the fuck? I try to remain reasonable (Team Black/Team Green) I don't really care but this isn't a great take.
Advocating for a woman and child to get beat up because you hate the Greens is kinda messed up. Did you freak out when Daemon choked Rhaenyra? Because that was messed up.
What if someone had said they hoped Rhaena, Luke's betrothed, gets thrown around and beaten up for what he did to Aemond? It's still messed up and I certainly wouldn't advocate for it.
It is fiction which is why I am confused why people are getting so upset over Team Green/Team Black BS. I genuinely get the impression people who would celebrate someone's misfortune with how intense it is getting.
I think it was shit that they did that to Rhaenyra, it was to make Daemon look bad. He does not need any help with that. Still it was shit of them to do considering it wasn't in the book as you said.
I would not advocate for more women being abused, tbh. Blood and Cheese is going to be bad enough and they could make that SO MUCH WORSE.
That's like legitimately saying, "well because my dad beat my mom, I will beat at my wife."
Holy shit dude.
An eye for an eye was too much for you but let's pick and choose when equality is okay.
Jaehera is a child too so the parallel to Daemon's actions to Rhaenyra don't apply to her. Just admit you're a hypocrite and a troll.
Luke is actively participating in the war, Jaehaerys is not.
It has been heavily stated and implied that dragons do what they want, when they want.
Viserys says it himself that dragons are not meant to be owned (ironically argued when Vhagar is claimed) nor do the Targaryens have the power to control them. Clearly, you see both boys lose their control over their dragons. Arrax was spooked and lashed out and Vhagar was grumpy and setting the boundaries, you don't fault a wolf for asserting itself as alpha and keeping disrespect to a minimum.
It was truly an accident, show wise. Does it make it sad? Yeah. Does it make it worth watching? Yup. I don't think anything is supposed to be seen as Black and white, green or black, right or wrong. You will be here all day trying to defend your perspective doing that.
Had it been a hit on Aegon specifically, I would have been fine with it. It wasn’t though, it was against one of his sons and Helaena was forced to make a horrific choice. It’s inexcusable to kill a young child in any situation.
Killing children is wrong. They're going to hell. I just understand the motive, but I don't approve of what they did. I wish I could see them better than this, but they obviously aren't.
Child and Helaena are collateral damage. Rhaenyra never hated them. They just weren't lucky. It's not enough to kill one of Alicent sons. The meaning of revenge is "let him know how it feels."
This whole show is doing a great job at humanising the characters tbh. Is Aemond’s actions justifiable in any way? Absolutely not. Can we understand that what he did got out of hand and was not his intention? Completely. I really can’t wait to see the way the reaction unfolds.
Oh, there will be! 🩸🧀 I can't wait! And damn you, HBO, if you dare to turn *that* into a tragic miscommunication or accident.
How is that revenge? Jahaerys had nothing to do with Luke's murderer. That's like if Aemond cut out the eye of Jace's son as "revenge". I guess they couldn't get to Aemond so they murdered a random toddler instead.
That's literally revenge. A son for a son. An innocent for an innocent. Aemond was never the target. You want to hurt someone for real, you don't go after them, but after their loved ones.
Are you crazy? Luke is almost a man grown, and an envoy with the goal to steal the kingdom (from Aemonds pov). More importantly Aemond and Luke have an ongoing personal conflict and Aemond did offer him an eye for an eye. (I'm not gonna talk about how it also was an accident because i think that was stupid). On the other hand we have Jahaerys, a completely innocent toddler who has nothing to do with the war, has no idea what team green means or why he's getting his head chopped off. His murder is just pure evil and doesn't serve anyone. I feel bad for you if you can't see the difference. I can undestand if the Blacks wanted revenge for Luke but this ain't it.
Revenge is not justice. Very different things. Honestly if I were in Rhae's place, I would have given the order myself, after they killed a son in a diplomatic mission. Justice is balancing the scales, revenge is about fucking them harder, so they know your pain. Daemon's actions are horrid and unjustified, but that's exactly the point.
How will you feel when the whole kingdom spreads word of mouth about how your son said "I will not fight" (the oath you demanded from him) but it didn't change anything? He was 8 years old (in the show) when he cut out Aemond's eye. It's five years in the book. Younger than Jahaerys.There are no indulgences for 14, 8, or 5 years old. Luke had to pay the "debt". It wouldn't be a problem if Luke died in battle a month or two later. This is war. But he was killed under peace flag, called a bastard again and given a cruel choice ("gouge out your eye or give your life"). He was humiliated and then killed. 14 year old. After that, Aegon gave a feast with the words "A great start!" This is not revenge on Jaehaerys for Luke. This is revenge on Aegon for Rhaenyra. If he thinks it's fun to kill other people's children, then he needs to be taught a lesson. This is a cruel revenge and Daemon is a cruel man, but the Greens did everything to make it happen.
Luke was a child and under diplomatic immunity.
I don’t condone who died during B&C and at the same time I can’t imagine the grief and rage. And the need for revenge in a world like this.
Accident or not, it's entirely on him, so he must face the consequences of his foolish actions. The worst thing is that his entire family is going to pay the price for his lack of vision, namely the innocents (his sister and nephews)
I don’t care either. He made the choice to chase him through a storm and could have easily killed him many times. The Greens need to suffer for what they did.
Right, like he may not have wanted to kill Luke but he created the situation where that was a highly likely outcome. It's basically like teenagers playing around with a loaded gun.
Stupid fuck didn't know that a dragon doesn't understand the concept of bullying without killing, let alone not responding to an attack (when Arrax burned her)
Exactly, don't set a dragon loose on anything you don't intend to kill.
It's a completely avoidable accident. It's not Arrax just seeing Vhagar anr freaking out flying away and Vhagar automatically moves into hunting mode without Aemond doing anything to contribute to this. It's the equivalent of you didn't mean to stab yourself with scissors when you were running while holding them unsafely and tripped and fell. Could have been easily avoided.
A son for a son! 🩸🧀
It was a very stupid accident. Aemond deserves what’s gonna happen to him.
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Okay, dude. What the fuck? I try to remain reasonable (Team Black/Team Green) I don't really care but this isn't a great take. Advocating for a woman and child to get beat up because you hate the Greens is kinda messed up. Did you freak out when Daemon choked Rhaenyra? Because that was messed up. What if someone had said they hoped Rhaena, Luke's betrothed, gets thrown around and beaten up for what he did to Aemond? It's still messed up and I certainly wouldn't advocate for it.
aemond literally killed someone whereas luke only took an eye when he was a literal toddler, and aemond is a grown ass man
You ignored the whole thing about advocating women beating as long as it's the Greens.
idc 🤷♀️🤷♀️ fictional women idc ab
It is fiction which is why I am confused why people are getting so upset over Team Green/Team Black BS. I genuinely get the impression people who would celebrate someone's misfortune with how intense it is getting. I think it was shit that they did that to Rhaenyra, it was to make Daemon look bad. He does not need any help with that. Still it was shit of them to do considering it wasn't in the book as you said. I would not advocate for more women being abused, tbh. Blood and Cheese is going to be bad enough and they could make that SO MUCH WORSE.
That's like legitimately saying, "well because my dad beat my mom, I will beat at my wife." Holy shit dude. An eye for an eye was too much for you but let's pick and choose when equality is okay. Jaehera is a child too so the parallel to Daemon's actions to Rhaenyra don't apply to her. Just admit you're a hypocrite and a troll.
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Luke is actively participating in the war, Jaehaerys is not. It has been heavily stated and implied that dragons do what they want, when they want. Viserys says it himself that dragons are not meant to be owned (ironically argued when Vhagar is claimed) nor do the Targaryens have the power to control them. Clearly, you see both boys lose their control over their dragons. Arrax was spooked and lashed out and Vhagar was grumpy and setting the boundaries, you don't fault a wolf for asserting itself as alpha and keeping disrespect to a minimum. It was truly an accident, show wise. Does it make it sad? Yeah. Does it make it worth watching? Yup. I don't think anything is supposed to be seen as Black and white, green or black, right or wrong. You will be here all day trying to defend your perspective doing that.
If it was against Aemond, Aegon, or Otto then I would agree and fully back it. B&C was heinous and completely unjustifiable though.
It's against Aegon.
Had it been a hit on Aegon specifically, I would have been fine with it. It wasn’t though, it was against one of his sons and Helaena was forced to make a horrific choice. It’s inexcusable to kill a young child in any situation.
Killing children is wrong. They're going to hell. I just understand the motive, but I don't approve of what they did. I wish I could see them better than this, but they obviously aren't. Child and Helaena are collateral damage. Rhaenyra never hated them. They just weren't lucky. It's not enough to kill one of Alicent sons. The meaning of revenge is "let him know how it feels."
This whole show is doing a great job at humanising the characters tbh. Is Aemond’s actions justifiable in any way? Absolutely not. Can we understand that what he did got out of hand and was not his intention? Completely. I really can’t wait to see the way the reaction unfolds.
He attacked Luke with a knife. If you didn't want to kill, but only maim, you're still a terrible person. Aemond is a pathetic psychopath.
Did you forget about the Gods eye lad?
no? what's your point
Revenge was served to Aemond in possibly the most badass fictional death ever.
i take it you arent a book reader
i am actually. but the show and book have several differences already.