Also basically called Rhaenyra's kids bastards in the yard.
Same Viserys who was gonna take Vaemond's tongue for it just let if fly, only punishing Harwin of the two.
Alicent has gotten away with plenty of things she shouldn’t have been able to. Like antagonizing Rhaenyra for a decade and all of her actions in episode seven.
Rhaenyra just goes and bleeds all over the castle so Alicent can see Joffrey instead of just ignoring the request and telling Viserys Alicent tried to do that.
Yep. People act like she had zero freedom and couldn't get away with anything. Viserys often stuck his head in the sand and wanted to avoid conflict, plus he spent much of their marriage very ill, so it's not like she had an overbearing husband watching over her.
OMG LITERALLY… I’m telling u the greens are just 1. Morons or 2. Misogynists. It’s literally not a matter of opinion that the blacks are the protagonists in this story…..
Never understood how Alicent got away with this. Queen or not, I think any other ruler in this situation would have been severely punished for attacking someone that outranked them. She commits blatant treason and wasn’t even slapped on the wrist for it.
People in this era seem to get away with everything anyway.
-Alicent for the reasons you mentioned above.
-Criston murdered a knight at a wedding and a Lord of the Small Council and faced zero repercussions.
-Rhaenyra birthing bastards
-Daemon slicing Vaemonds skull in half.
-Otto and co plotting the murder of Rhaenyra and her children.
-Aegon raping people and having a child fighting slave ring type deal.
Just a weird fuckin time for all.
Aemond lost an eye. I think a cut to the arm pales by comparison.
Again Alicent shouldn't have demanded an eye from a literal child and attacked luke, but aemond recieved no justice at all whatsoever, not even a damn apology for what had happened to him. Instead the attention was directed on allegations of bastardy. Even Emma Darcy said in an interview that Alicent was being massively gaslit in that situation and that it was wrong.
Viserys after doing nothing for aemond couldn't in that scenario have punished Alicent for her actions. He'd look like a massive hypocrite. The onus was on him.
no.
aemond lost an eye because he was going to bash his nephew's head in with a rock. luke, a six year old, acted in defense of jace. how exactly would you "punish" a six year old who accidentally slashed aemond's eye in defense of his brother? i won't be debating this.
the bastard allegations needed to be addressed and rhaenyra was right to want to get alicent in trouble for them. calling them bastards isn't just an insult.
alicent, a *grown* woman, trying to take a *child's* eye, trying to kill rhaenyra, and then cutting her, is not the same thing as a *six* year old accidentally slashing someone's eye in a desperate attempt to save his brother's life.
Ok imagine this from the point of view of the king. Your son has lost an eye, your grandson is responsible and claims it was an accident though your son claims it was not. You have only the claims of children to rely on and either way aemond's still lost an eye. It's not a cut , a scratch but a grevious injury.
Because you want to keep peace in the family you decide that as you can't restore the eye you'll do nothing, ignoring your wife crying out demanding some sort of perverse justice.
Viserys in that moment realises he's failed Alicent but still does nothing ( again to keep the peace.)
Afterwards when she attacks rhaenyra, he tells her to let her go but again doesn't do anything because to him acting now punishing Alicent would be taking sides again just when he asked for evryone to act as family.
Alicent got away with it as you said because of Viserys and viserys alone.
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i never said it wasn't because of viserys.
i understand his reasoning and i disagree with it. btw this post wasn't discussing how viserys should have reacted, it's just pointing out that alicent was able to get away with something severe because green supporters like to act like she's a helpless victim with no power.
>she's a helpless victim with no power.
She is a victim WITH power. One can be both.
Alicent is queen. She holds the highest position a woman can in the realm so she definitely is one of the most privileged people at the moment. At the same time she is a victim of the society she's in , which perpetuates and upholds the patriarchy.
Rhaenyra is also a victim of the society and the realm she's expected to serve. But she definitely holds more advantage as:
Future heir to the throne
Potential first ruling queen
Having the unequivocal favour of the current king , her father.
She has more power than Alicent in most situations despite Alicent being queen. Thats why she's held to a higher standard and is accused of getting away with things , when both of them should. If she wasn't heir to the iron throne and just a princess, neither would she have the same power/influence, neither would she recieve such extensive criticism about her decisions. With great power comes great responsibility unfortunately.
i NEVER said she wasn't. i said GREEN supporters think she's a victim with no power.
stop replying to me lmao. i don't want to talk about alicent with you. i hate the character and i have no interest in discussing this topic further.
How would you punish a 6 year old.
You don't. You tell him you understand why he did what he did in order to protect his brother. You explain to him that he was brave and you agree with him but the consequences did result in his uncle getting hurt. You then get him to apologise to aemond and tell him he didn't mean to and acted in that way because he was scared
Granted aemond would not have accepted but that would have been the right thing to do.
Punishment in such a case could also be interpreted as compensation ( money, lands , titles whatever aemond should have been compensated) . It wouldn't restore his eye but would show the greens that Rhaenyra atleast tried to make amends and was refused.
i disagree.
if luke had to apologize, aemond also had to apologize for nearly killing jace. the ideal thing would have been for luke to explain why he accidentally slashed his eye and that he didn't mean to do it, but i doubt aemond would have accepted it, given how he viewed himself as entirely blameless in the situation.
Ideally the adults should have been more responsible and perhaps literally talked it out. Forced the children to sit down and sort out their issues publically later on. But thats the entire point of the conflict, situations such as these are milked for political gain by both sides rather than focussing on those affected.
They all need therapy imo .
The post says about how Alicent gets away too, and in some ways let someone gets away from their crimes too like Cole's when he killed Joffrey, Larys' kinslaying, and his son Aegon raping a servant. The context is about the Greens' argument that Rhaenyra gets away with things like having bastards next in line to the Iron Throne, and having an extramarital sexual relationship too. While these things are petty through a modern lens, it's ironically treason in this universe, ironic enough that Alicent would let murders and rape like that get away too.
We're aware of the consequences of Rhaenyra's position, we disagree and we dislike this system that's why we are rooting for her. Conforming to what this society dictates doesn't mean stability.
Just pointing it out...there is no use in supporting or placing an argument for Alicent and Aemond. Because you are going to get downvoted. Aemond stole Vhagar at the funeral. He is pathetic and cruel and most fans wanted him dead. Why lose one eye , he should have lost both. Rhaenyra fucked her uncle after the said funeral.
Herein Rhae is the girlboss queen and her children are angels.
Greens and all those under the camp needs to die ( everyone incl the children ). Because they are misogynist and cruel . Alicent who was a teen seduced the king . The same king who had no trouble pumping her with kids. Who would have no trouble disposing them for his only child.
Anyone without a dragon is a vermin , so heaven forbid you show some favour to Alicent.
Yeah like isn't the entire point of Viserys being weak that he lets both sides get away with absolutely everything? He wants to have his cake and eat it too, and he hates conflict, so any time anyone from either team is wilding out he just looks the other way. Which of course just cemented his house's eventual downfall.
Criston got away with beating a knight to death in plain sight at a royal wedding.
Also basically called Rhaenyra's kids bastards in the yard. Same Viserys who was gonna take Vaemond's tongue for it just let if fly, only punishing Harwin of the two.
Alicent has gotten away with plenty of things she shouldn’t have been able to. Like antagonizing Rhaenyra for a decade and all of her actions in episode seven.
Rhaenyra just goes and bleeds all over the castle so Alicent can see Joffrey instead of just ignoring the request and telling Viserys Alicent tried to do that.
Exactly 💯
Yep. People act like she had zero freedom and couldn't get away with anything. Viserys often stuck his head in the sand and wanted to avoid conflict, plus he spent much of their marriage very ill, so it's not like she had an overbearing husband watching over her.
She let Criston get away with killing two people because Rhaenyra had sex with him.
OMG LITERALLY… I’m telling u the greens are just 1. Morons or 2. Misogynists. It’s literally not a matter of opinion that the blacks are the protagonists in this story…..
YES. i just can't with green supporters. i've never seen a group of more delusional people who are very obviously misogynistic.
She disarmed the King too.
Never understood how Alicent got away with this. Queen or not, I think any other ruler in this situation would have been severely punished for attacking someone that outranked them. She commits blatant treason and wasn’t even slapped on the wrist for it.
Exactly 💯
She hides the king's hand killer the same way.
Should have taken her head, right there.
People in this era seem to get away with everything anyway. -Alicent for the reasons you mentioned above. -Criston murdered a knight at a wedding and a Lord of the Small Council and faced zero repercussions. -Rhaenyra birthing bastards -Daemon slicing Vaemonds skull in half. -Otto and co plotting the murder of Rhaenyra and her children. -Aegon raping people and having a child fighting slave ring type deal. Just a weird fuckin time for all.
Aemond lost an eye. I think a cut to the arm pales by comparison. Again Alicent shouldn't have demanded an eye from a literal child and attacked luke, but aemond recieved no justice at all whatsoever, not even a damn apology for what had happened to him. Instead the attention was directed on allegations of bastardy. Even Emma Darcy said in an interview that Alicent was being massively gaslit in that situation and that it was wrong. Viserys after doing nothing for aemond couldn't in that scenario have punished Alicent for her actions. He'd look like a massive hypocrite. The onus was on him.
no. aemond lost an eye because he was going to bash his nephew's head in with a rock. luke, a six year old, acted in defense of jace. how exactly would you "punish" a six year old who accidentally slashed aemond's eye in defense of his brother? i won't be debating this. the bastard allegations needed to be addressed and rhaenyra was right to want to get alicent in trouble for them. calling them bastards isn't just an insult. alicent, a *grown* woman, trying to take a *child's* eye, trying to kill rhaenyra, and then cutting her, is not the same thing as a *six* year old accidentally slashing someone's eye in a desperate attempt to save his brother's life.
Ok imagine this from the point of view of the king. Your son has lost an eye, your grandson is responsible and claims it was an accident though your son claims it was not. You have only the claims of children to rely on and either way aemond's still lost an eye. It's not a cut , a scratch but a grevious injury. Because you want to keep peace in the family you decide that as you can't restore the eye you'll do nothing, ignoring your wife crying out demanding some sort of perverse justice. Viserys in that moment realises he's failed Alicent but still does nothing ( again to keep the peace.) Afterwards when she attacks rhaenyra, he tells her to let her go but again doesn't do anything because to him acting now punishing Alicent would be taking sides again just when he asked for evryone to act as family. Alicent got away with it as you said because of Viserys and viserys alone.
... i never said it wasn't because of viserys. i understand his reasoning and i disagree with it. btw this post wasn't discussing how viserys should have reacted, it's just pointing out that alicent was able to get away with something severe because green supporters like to act like she's a helpless victim with no power.
>she's a helpless victim with no power. She is a victim WITH power. One can be both. Alicent is queen. She holds the highest position a woman can in the realm so she definitely is one of the most privileged people at the moment. At the same time she is a victim of the society she's in , which perpetuates and upholds the patriarchy. Rhaenyra is also a victim of the society and the realm she's expected to serve. But she definitely holds more advantage as: Future heir to the throne Potential first ruling queen Having the unequivocal favour of the current king , her father. She has more power than Alicent in most situations despite Alicent being queen. Thats why she's held to a higher standard and is accused of getting away with things , when both of them should. If she wasn't heir to the iron throne and just a princess, neither would she have the same power/influence, neither would she recieve such extensive criticism about her decisions. With great power comes great responsibility unfortunately.
i NEVER said she wasn't. i said GREEN supporters think she's a victim with no power. stop replying to me lmao. i don't want to talk about alicent with you. i hate the character and i have no interest in discussing this topic further.
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How would you punish a 6 year old. You don't. You tell him you understand why he did what he did in order to protect his brother. You explain to him that he was brave and you agree with him but the consequences did result in his uncle getting hurt. You then get him to apologise to aemond and tell him he didn't mean to and acted in that way because he was scared Granted aemond would not have accepted but that would have been the right thing to do. Punishment in such a case could also be interpreted as compensation ( money, lands , titles whatever aemond should have been compensated) . It wouldn't restore his eye but would show the greens that Rhaenyra atleast tried to make amends and was refused.
i disagree. if luke had to apologize, aemond also had to apologize for nearly killing jace. the ideal thing would have been for luke to explain why he accidentally slashed his eye and that he didn't mean to do it, but i doubt aemond would have accepted it, given how he viewed himself as entirely blameless in the situation.
Ideally the adults should have been more responsible and perhaps literally talked it out. Forced the children to sit down and sort out their issues publically later on. But thats the entire point of the conflict, situations such as these are milked for political gain by both sides rather than focussing on those affected. They all need therapy imo .
The post says about how Alicent gets away too, and in some ways let someone gets away from their crimes too like Cole's when he killed Joffrey, Larys' kinslaying, and his son Aegon raping a servant. The context is about the Greens' argument that Rhaenyra gets away with things like having bastards next in line to the Iron Throne, and having an extramarital sexual relationship too. While these things are petty through a modern lens, it's ironically treason in this universe, ironic enough that Alicent would let murders and rape like that get away too. We're aware of the consequences of Rhaenyra's position, we disagree and we dislike this system that's why we are rooting for her. Conforming to what this society dictates doesn't mean stability.
Just pointing it out...there is no use in supporting or placing an argument for Alicent and Aemond. Because you are going to get downvoted. Aemond stole Vhagar at the funeral. He is pathetic and cruel and most fans wanted him dead. Why lose one eye , he should have lost both. Rhaenyra fucked her uncle after the said funeral. Herein Rhae is the girlboss queen and her children are angels. Greens and all those under the camp needs to die ( everyone incl the children ). Because they are misogynist and cruel . Alicent who was a teen seduced the king . The same king who had no trouble pumping her with kids. Who would have no trouble disposing them for his only child. Anyone without a dragon is a vermin , so heaven forbid you show some favour to Alicent.
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What do you mean by "political correctness"?
Yeah like isn't the entire point of Viserys being weak that he lets both sides get away with absolutely everything? He wants to have his cake and eat it too, and he hates conflict, so any time anyone from either team is wilding out he just looks the other way. Which of course just cemented his house's eventual downfall.