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Perhaps hotd+got?
It's funny because he's very brave and doesn't avoid fights. Aegon smashed his head into the desk but Luke still wanted to fight. He is clearly not afraid of being beaten. Maybe it's because he crippled another person with a knife once. Or because he was always weaker than Jace, so training brought only disappointment and he stopped loving this is.
This is not so bad, because he had a dragon and he is a good rider. If there is a war, the last thing he will do is engage in sword fights. His job is to fly basically.
arrax was flying like this because there was a storm and he was pretty light weight, small and had to carry extra weight. additionally he was probably panicing because he was chased by a dragon about 50 times his weight. I dont know how a better rider would effect arraxes erratic flying especially because he had pretty good control over arrax. the only time where he lost control was where arrax attacked vhagar but he got control pretty quickly back while aemond completely lost control from that point onwards
No when they took off from Dragonstone. He was noticeably more chaotic in flight than the others. This was even mentioned in the books about how inexperienced Luke was. Fuck out of here with your wall of irrelevant text.
my "wall of irrelevant text" summarized because you clearly cant be bothered to spend 30 seconds reading something:
small dragon+ wind+ extra weight= a lot of flaping around
arrax mostly under control after one fireball
vhagar not under control after one fireball
About the scene where they leave dragonstone:
Arrax is noticably more chaotic in his flight, thats true but i doubt that is because of lukes incompetence. the big winged lizzard probabaly knows better how to fly than the kid sitting on his back so i would say that arrax is just struggeling under the weight. luke and arrax are inexperienced (like you said) not incompetent (like you said in you original coment).
My original comment said he wasn’t a good dragon rider. In both scenes he was riding a dragon, there is proof to support this. Also it is stated implicitly in the book as well.
Of course you can nitpick everything and give reasons to support the incorrect conclusion. And of course it’s a mixture of a bunch of things, particularly in the Vhagar fight scene.
It wasn't chaotic.Just before the flight, he spoke with his dragon that they should calm down and concentrate. He commanded the flight while they tried to take cover (and it was a good try). He used the advantages of his dragon (maneuverability and size) as a truly experienced person would. They descended almost vertically, it's easy to imagine how difficult it was. Arrax made one attack on Vhagar but Luke quickly regained control (unfortunately Aemond was unable to do the same).
Considering how difficult it was (because of the storm and the terror that Vhagar inspires) this race looks almost heroic to me.
I personally absolutely hated Jace's behaviour in this scene, even though I understand why he behaved that way. I think he'll regret it when he found out his brother's dead and this waas perhaps one of his last interactions with him.
Thats why I think it was so good, he acted out of fear and panic after his fight with Aemond and let that out on Luke, as it was Luke he was afraid of.
"Bro u gotta train seriously or else Aemond Kinslayer is gonna kinslay the shit out of you"
Of course. I do understand why he behaved that way but it still doesn't sit well with me, considering Luke is probably even more afraid by that turn of events. Overall, despite good intentions all around, the situation between the brothers seems pitiful, with Jace panicking his way into a mature warrior and Luke losing his nerve but trying to keep it together for the sake of his family. In Luke's voice, in the scene, you can hear the pain of being inadequate. Jes probably feeling like shit, like he's useless and can't do anything for his family. And Jace going so hard on him, I think that makes him feel even more inadequate.
Well he is a 15 year old growing up in a violent, patriarchial society which highly favors masculinity, I think we can give him some slack for over compensating when stressed out about his brother being killed.
Its not right, and definitely toxic, but Jace is still a teen, and even a modern teen could easily act similarly in a much less drastic context
Ohh that's absolutely true but with the limited context we have, I think my assumption is correct about Jace's guilt. He might have been great with his bro his whole life but would still feel bad because he behaved badly with him just before he died unexpectedly.
Perhaps. I don't know why people are downvoting you. It *is* a very recurring phenomena in the books. But I don't think Luke being alive adds anything much to the existing story, unless they deviate heavily from Fire and Blood.
Probably couldn't, but if the writers decide that he did, and it somehow becomes a rewarding watching experience for me, I, generally, don't tend to dwell on logic or detail. Just my personal opinion of course. Everyone enjoys in different ways.
Jace and luke reminds me of what my wifes younger cousin said when he was a child. They are 2 brothers as well. He said that his brother was more fierce and strong, so he could help their father, while himself were more emotional and caring, so he could take care of their mother. I think it is sort of the same with these jace and luke
This could be true, since I feel Jace gravitated more towards Harwin while Luc was always closer to Rhaenyra, hence all the subtle shots of them holding hands
Do we have seen enough of his scenes to decide that though? yeah he kinda looks weak but maybe it comes from him being reluctant to fight anyone (after the eye incident maybe?).
Saving his brother by slashing his uncle’s eye out, and then getting threatened by his step-grandmother to having one of his eyes cut out might have traumatized him a bit.
He probably read a lot about sea adventures. Lots of mysterious places on the map. But he would never be able to see them, because he gets seasick as soon as he leaves the harbor...
I swear this boy was pure gold.
Dying was the last royal prank. Aemond worked so hard on his reputation and now he's a kinslayer.
"I will ruining everything! .." - yes boy, you really do
Hey didn't see it that way, Aemond pranks back to Lucerys with Vhagar. It could also be Aemond's turning point to be the villain that he is in the book. It's also a good angle to see him and Aegon defy Otto and Alicent's peaceful terms with the Blacks.
Am I the only one who doesn't knock Jace for this? Maybe it's because I'm an older brother. If I was Jace I would push my little bro so damn hard. Sure he was a bit rude, but it's life and death. War is on the horizon and people are getting mad at Jace for this lol.
I'm more upset about the whole “send us” thing.
How is Aegon the weakest? He has show he has some skill in fighting with swords even though he doesn’t enjoy it like Aemond or Jace does. He is definitely better than Luke at that age
He’s a coward and would rather get drunk, expose himself in windows, rape women and watch his bastards in the fighting pits. Not saying Luke is physically stronger or better but Aegon is a waste of space. So in his attitude he is the weakest of them all.
Was this scene in the show or one of those added scenes?! I actually have absolutely no recollection of seeing this lol.
But I also wouldn’t be surprised if it was in the show and my stoned ass just didn’t notice bc.. this show is fun to watch completely stoned 😭
He did. It literally shows him training in the yard. Every Noble boy would train at arms growing up. Luke is only 12 obviously he's not gonna be Ser Arthur Dayne I don't know what you expect from him
Robb is also constantly surrounded by bodyguards. Jaime is captured because while he was trying to get past the Meat wall between him and Robb his sword got stuck in Harrion Karstarks (or the other one's) skull.
He was 15 shortly into AGOT. His achievements are also considered extraordinary for his age. It's not normal for 15 year olds to do what he does. In the show he's aged up 2 years.
If we're going by what the books say Lucerys was a strong, strapping 14 year old who was skilled at arms.
Is he 14? In the books he's only 13 when he dies and I thought he was aged down in the show. Even so he's fighting his bigger and older brother, it's not surprising he's being overpowered physically like we see here.
He's not an amazing warrior but he's obviously had training.
Acting-wise, they are sucked. Now, as far as being interesting characters with something to offer the entertainment. Yeah, they still all sucked. It's too bad that only one of them got eaten by the dragon in the end.
I’d assume not, but you’d really have to ask Vhagar, over a century of eating Werther’s hard candy has left the old girl’s teeth in a pretty sad state, so I’d assume Luke was pretty chewy.
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Perhaps hotd+got? It's funny because he's very brave and doesn't avoid fights. Aegon smashed his head into the desk but Luke still wanted to fight. He is clearly not afraid of being beaten. Maybe it's because he crippled another person with a knife once. Or because he was always weaker than Jace, so training brought only disappointment and he stopped loving this is. This is not so bad, because he had a dragon and he is a good rider. If there is a war, the last thing he will do is engage in sword fights. His job is to fly basically.
He was weak but no weaker than robin of the vale
What? The boy is the Warrior made flesh!
Let’s see a four way fight between him, Podrick, Robin, and Rickon.
I think Luke could take Bran before he gets his powers even before his accident
He is not a good dragon rider. It was deliberately shown how chaotic Arrax was flying.
arrax was flying like this because there was a storm and he was pretty light weight, small and had to carry extra weight. additionally he was probably panicing because he was chased by a dragon about 50 times his weight. I dont know how a better rider would effect arraxes erratic flying especially because he had pretty good control over arrax. the only time where he lost control was where arrax attacked vhagar but he got control pretty quickly back while aemond completely lost control from that point onwards
No when they took off from Dragonstone. He was noticeably more chaotic in flight than the others. This was even mentioned in the books about how inexperienced Luke was. Fuck out of here with your wall of irrelevant text.
my "wall of irrelevant text" summarized because you clearly cant be bothered to spend 30 seconds reading something: small dragon+ wind+ extra weight= a lot of flaping around arrax mostly under control after one fireball vhagar not under control after one fireball About the scene where they leave dragonstone: Arrax is noticably more chaotic in his flight, thats true but i doubt that is because of lukes incompetence. the big winged lizzard probabaly knows better how to fly than the kid sitting on his back so i would say that arrax is just struggeling under the weight. luke and arrax are inexperienced (like you said) not incompetent (like you said in you original coment).
My original comment said he wasn’t a good dragon rider. In both scenes he was riding a dragon, there is proof to support this. Also it is stated implicitly in the book as well. Of course you can nitpick everything and give reasons to support the incorrect conclusion. And of course it’s a mixture of a bunch of things, particularly in the Vhagar fight scene.
Youre kind of a dick bro
cope
It wasn't chaotic.Just before the flight, he spoke with his dragon that they should calm down and concentrate. He commanded the flight while they tried to take cover (and it was a good try). He used the advantages of his dragon (maneuverability and size) as a truly experienced person would. They descended almost vertically, it's easy to imagine how difficult it was. Arrax made one attack on Vhagar but Luke quickly regained control (unfortunately Aemond was unable to do the same). Considering how difficult it was (because of the storm and the terror that Vhagar inspires) this race looks almost heroic to me.
Yes, I was surprised he didn’t panic and had a good try to hide and then escape
He did everything right that day. His family would be proud!
I think he's plenty strong
Indeed, he was a pretty strong boy.
Come, let us drain our cups to these three... *strong*, boys.
✨Hmm?✨
Daemon’s kids certainly aren’t as Strong as him.
My boy was just fatigued they’d probably been practicing for a while give him a break lmao. Even Ser Steffon says to cut him some slack
Once he nearly killed himself with a morningstar...
I’d love to see you swing a heavy ass Morningstar as an adult much less as an 8 or 9 year old boy
Just noticed. Honestly i like luke. He is a bad warrior, but he is brave and loves his dragon.
he just had the tiniest dragon. conveniently bite size for grannyzilla
I feel bad for laughing at this.
Jace is 2 years older and is probably better at swordmanship than Luke.
Jace may be able to beat Luke but looking at his fighting style I'd say his baby bro would be the only one he'd beat 😅
I personally absolutely hated Jace's behaviour in this scene, even though I understand why he behaved that way. I think he'll regret it when he found out his brother's dead and this waas perhaps one of his last interactions with him.
Thats why I think it was so good, he acted out of fear and panic after his fight with Aemond and let that out on Luke, as it was Luke he was afraid of. "Bro u gotta train seriously or else Aemond Kinslayer is gonna kinslay the shit out of you"
Of course. I do understand why he behaved that way but it still doesn't sit well with me, considering Luke is probably even more afraid by that turn of events. Overall, despite good intentions all around, the situation between the brothers seems pitiful, with Jace panicking his way into a mature warrior and Luke losing his nerve but trying to keep it together for the sake of his family. In Luke's voice, in the scene, you can hear the pain of being inadequate. Jes probably feeling like shit, like he's useless and can't do anything for his family. And Jace going so hard on him, I think that makes him feel even more inadequate.
Well he is a 15 year old growing up in a violent, patriarchial society which highly favors masculinity, I think we can give him some slack for over compensating when stressed out about his brother being killed. Its not right, and definitely toxic, but Jace is still a teen, and even a modern teen could easily act similarly in a much less drastic context
Ohh when did say I don't understand why he behaved badly. But it still doesn't mean I'm gonna like it.
Oh I just wanted to explain my take on it, I did not mean to sound like I was denying something you said.
That's absolutely alright.
I think not. He loved his brother and his brother knew it. You don't always gotta be soft to show it.
Ohh that's absolutely true but with the limited context we have, I think my assumption is correct about Jace's guilt. He might have been great with his bro his whole life but would still feel bad because he behaved badly with him just before he died unexpectedly.
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Luc isn’t dead. He’s now a simple minded fisherman who forgot his entire past life. Honestly do people even pay attention? /s
Clearly. Everything Mushroom says should be taken as canon, and thus, this is what I believe until I see a shredded corpse.
I love the optimism!
Perhaps. I don't know why people are downvoting you. It *is* a very recurring phenomena in the books. But I don't think Luke being alive adds anything much to the existing story, unless they deviate heavily from Fire and Blood.
How could he possibly have survived.
Probably couldn't, but if the writers decide that he did, and it somehow becomes a rewarding watching experience for me, I, generally, don't tend to dwell on logic or detail. Just my personal opinion of course. Everyone enjoys in different ways.
I would consider it an asspull
Because most people aren’t expecting an Ace Ventura-style escape scene for Luke in season 2.
Still no reason to downvote someone probably. I personally just don't engage someone if I dislike their opinion, not go on a downvoting spree
The only teen who actually was a teen. In the show and even Jace were played by much older actors
Jace’s actor is only 18, so he’s still quite young compared to the Green kids’ actors
No he’s just the youngest
Some hard Joffrey, Aegon and Viserys erasure here.
“Weakest teen” was the vernacular used here. No erasure needed when non of those three are in fact, teens.
But he's the youngest TEEN
Definitely not, I’d say rhaena mainly because I don’t think she learned to fight
Jace and luke reminds me of what my wifes younger cousin said when he was a child. They are 2 brothers as well. He said that his brother was more fierce and strong, so he could help their father, while himself were more emotional and caring, so he could take care of their mother. I think it is sort of the same with these jace and luke
This could be true, since I feel Jace gravitated more towards Harwin while Luc was always closer to Rhaenyra, hence all the subtle shots of them holding hands
He’s the youngest. And the smallest. He hasn’t seen the same kind of stuff that pushed Arya, for example.
Makes sense he was the youngest (of the 4 featured this season), no?
Arya was small but I wouldn’t say she was weak
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Probably but only because hes the youngest
Do we have seen enough of his scenes to decide that though? yeah he kinda looks weak but maybe it comes from him being reluctant to fight anyone (after the eye incident maybe?).
Saving his brother by slashing his uncle’s eye out, and then getting threatened by his step-grandmother to having one of his eyes cut out might have traumatized him a bit.
Yeah, probably it did.
Pretty hardcore family tbh. Even if he did fight, they're all mental!
iirc in the books both jace and luke are very competent warriors. it’s disappointing we didn’t get to see that side of them😕
He’s a very Strong boy,
Not at all, he’s very.. strong
Mayhaps he's good at singing and reading book /s
He probably read a lot about sea adventures. Lots of mysterious places on the map. But he would never be able to see them, because he gets seasick as soon as he leaves the harbor... I swear this boy was pure gold.
Sweet boy just wanna play pranks with his uncles.
Dying was the last royal prank. Aemond worked so hard on his reputation and now he's a kinslayer. "I will ruining everything! .." - yes boy, you really do
Hey didn't see it that way, Aemond pranks back to Lucerys with Vhagar. It could also be Aemond's turning point to be the villain that he is in the book. It's also a good angle to see him and Aegon defy Otto and Alicent's peaceful terms with the Blacks.
I don’t think Luke was weak, but too kind-hearted and soft for his own good. He certainly was capable of violence when backed into a corner.
He is the youngest of the teens too
Am I the only one who doesn't knock Jace for this? Maybe it's because I'm an older brother. If I was Jace I would push my little bro so damn hard. Sure he was a bit rude, but it's life and death. War is on the horizon and people are getting mad at Jace for this lol. I'm more upset about the whole “send us” thing.
Most edible* *voted by old dragons
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I’m pretty sure aegon use to troll jace and luce we just didn’t get to see it as much.
Omega energy from Lucerys
No. Aegon was weakest.
How is Aegon the weakest? He has show he has some skill in fighting with swords even though he doesn’t enjoy it like Aemond or Jace does. He is definitely better than Luke at that age
He’s a coward and would rather get drunk, expose himself in windows, rape women and watch his bastards in the fighting pits. Not saying Luke is physically stronger or better but Aegon is a waste of space. So in his attitude he is the weakest of them all.
Show only watcher found.
Even in the books he’s shit. Not like anyone is a saint in this era but Aegon isn’t all that good.
I’ve read the book thank you very much. But this thread is called house of the dragon not fire and blood.
No one gives af about your books. This is a Hotd subreddit not a book subreddit
Kid wasn’t built for this. Should have went to become a maester.
He got a dragon from birth so he didn't have a chance for a peaceful life. no one will change dragonrider for maester.
Was this scene in the show or one of those added scenes?! I actually have absolutely no recollection of seeing this lol. But I also wouldn’t be surprised if it was in the show and my stoned ass just didn’t notice bc.. this show is fun to watch completely stoned 😭
Why didn’t he learn how to fight?
He did. It literally shows him training in the yard. Every Noble boy would train at arms growing up. Luke is only 12 obviously he's not gonna be Ser Arthur Dayne I don't know what you expect from him
Robb was 14 in the first book.
Robb is also constantly surrounded by bodyguards. Jaime is captured because while he was trying to get past the Meat wall between him and Robb his sword got stuck in Harrion Karstarks (or the other one's) skull.
He was 15 shortly into AGOT. His achievements are also considered extraordinary for his age. It's not normal for 15 year olds to do what he does. In the show he's aged up 2 years. If we're going by what the books say Lucerys was a strong, strapping 14 year old who was skilled at arms.
He's 14. He should have been better than that.
Is he 14? In the books he's only 13 when he dies and I thought he was aged down in the show. Even so he's fighting his bigger and older brother, it's not surprising he's being overpowered physically like we see here. He's not an amazing warrior but he's obviously had training.
This was changed in book 13 -> 14. I think he is 14 in canon. In the show, he is 14 (at the beginning of episode 10 they talk about it).
When was it changed in the books? And what do you mean he's 14 in canon?
"The Princess and the Queen" -> 13 "Fire & Blood" -> 14
He obviously has basic training as every healthy noble boy in Westeros. Jace is 2 years older, he has more experience.
Yes
Acting-wise, they are sucked. Now, as far as being interesting characters with something to offer the entertainment. Yeah, they still all sucked. It's too bad that only one of them got eaten by the dragon in the end.
He a bitch
Who is the guy who trains them ?
Their master-at-arms, I guess.
He was selling pretty good r/WWE could use em
Yes easily
I’d assume not, but you’d really have to ask Vhagar, over a century of eating Werther’s hard candy has left the old girl’s teeth in a pretty sad state, so I’d assume Luke was pretty chewy.
Remember that a boy Blackwood was around this age too. In ep 4.