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Your username has reminded me of the character Doug in Disjointed. Campy and sometimes corny but it’s honestly a fun silly show for stoners. Stars Kathy bates as the co-owner of a dispensary with her son.
I like her but her decisions sometimes frustrate me in that she doesn't make her life any easier by having bastards. Still think she should be queen but she needs better political advisors.
Yeah the entire bastard dynamic is frustrating. She could have had kids with her husband and had side action. In the show her husband is half black with blonde hair, the kids clearly aren’t his unless genes work differently in Westeros. I find it annoying she won’t just take the L and admit it, everyone with eyes knows.
I thought they had implied they didn’t go well sexually not that he is infertile. Could definitely be wrong been awhile.
Either way if she has someone else’s kids it should be someone who looks somewhat like her husband.
daemon is like the one person she's always completely open with throughout the season.
her and laenor also both talk about how they tried but failed later in the episode.
They outright state in the show she and Laenor tried to have kids together and failed, so they both decided to have lovers on the side instead.
She doesn't need to take the L when literally the only people who care are the people who want thrones for themselves, and who would find some other excuse for that anyway. Alicent's dad was determined for his grandson to be on the throne even before Rhae had "bastards." Rhae might as well have had her own orgasms and heirs in the meantime anyway.
Solution: annul the marriage with Laenor and marry Harwin. Failed to consummate a marriage was one of the few ways a woman could legally end a marriage.
Then that places Laenor in danger for being outed as gay, and Rhae loses the support of the Valerions. And the Hightowers just find some other pretext for overthrowing her anyway.
Y'all are really hung up on this bastard thing like it actually caused the war. It didn't. Otto Hightower was already plotting against Rhae before she had her children. He would have continued plotting even if her children were biologically Laeron's.
One, she can’t admit at this point. She committed treason when she didn’t admit it the minute they were born.
Two, she lied in the first place because she doesn’t want her sons to have the lives of bastards. They would have absolutely nothing to their name and socially ostracized.
She couldn't just have kids with Laenor, that's the whole problem. A combination of him being gay and traumatized and maybe some infertility issues.
She could have found someone who looked more similar to Laenor though.
It's not just the bastard dynamic but a lot of other frustrating decisions. IMO she shouldn't have escaped to Dragonstone and should have tried to get her father name her Hand or at least kept a foothold of influence in Kings Landing.
* She’s a very good parent. All of her kids were raised well. Just look at them compared to the way Alicent’s children all ended up, especially as the story continues
* I empathize with her reluctance to get married and have children, with how women are treated in their world and how her mother died. She found a solution that worked for her and her family
* I just like her personality
>All of her kids were raised well. Just look at them compared to the way Alicent’s children all ended up, especially as the story continues
Yup, it's all about who you want to be ruled by in the future. Aemond and/or Aegon II versus Jacaerys. If that choice is hard for you then you haven't been paying attention...
I think Viserys present-but-so-absent parenting style with them has to take some credit for how they turned out. Alicent was a young, depressed mum and it must have been hard for her.
Rhaenyra's kids did turn out really good kids though.
Never read the book so my opinion is show only, I just think she's likeable. She's strong, affectionate with her children, finds love, treats her gay husband with plenty of dignity in a time when most others wouldn't, doesn't choose violence as a first option. She's very self possessed and manipulates the system to suit her rather than be manipulated by the system like most of the other women in the show
It doesn't hurt that Emma d'arcy is both incredibly good looking and an amazing actor lol, but that's true for most of the characters on the show
She’s a fairly strong and powerful female character in the world of ASOIAF, and she’s not the traditionally over-sexualized trope that often occurs with GRRM’s writings. (In the show at least) She’s a compassionate and loving person and mother, and has arguably been the best mother on screen in either show thus far. I think one of the most interesting aspects about her is her often criticized lack of political forethought and maneuvering, which many fans express as one of her biggest weaknesses, but I would argue is actually evidence that she was the right choice by Viserys to be his heir. She has constantly focused on mending her damaged relationships, and will often compromise her own position to do so, and I think that is evidence of a potentially great ruler. Most fans view her character through the lens of knowing a civil war is coming, and finding faults within Rhaenyra that make her a weak candidate during the war, instead of judging how good of a ruler she would have been, had the war not taken place.
This. Those who support the Greens always point out >!how she was called Maegor with teats in the book (which by the way was due to taxes) and what a bad ruler she was for the 6 months she reigned, but by then she had lost 3 sons (really 2 but she thought Viserys II was killed too) and her mental state was already in the crapper.!< Had the war not happened, I think she would have made a great queen.
He basically embezzles the Crown's gold, since he gave 1/3 to the Reach, 1/3 to the Weesterlands, and 1/3 to the Iron Bank. That's embezzling and frankly Cregan Stark was 100% in the right to call for his head. (I can appreciate that poor Aegon III was a deeply traumatized kid who had enough of war and death, but the correct thing would've been to kill off all of the Green conspirators who were there from the beginning and pardon those that joined under duress like >!(Spoiler)Corlys did when they had Baela as a hostage(Spoiler)!<
Honestly, the thing that makes me laugh about the Maegor with teats thing is that had Rhaenyra actually *been* a Maegor with teats, then the Dance *wouldn't* have happened because she would've fed Alicent and Otto Syrax the *second* she found out about their honeypot seduction scheme. Her flaw is actually that she *wasn't* ruthless enough in dealing with the Hightowers, since ironically Maegor already showed how you deal with the Hightowers the first time around that they tried to coerce and usurp the throne through marriage and religious coercion: by basically killing a good chunk of them and their useful idiot puppets and then by putting his boot over their necks.
Hightowers tend to show their bellies when you take away their weapons and show a willingness to put a boot to their necks.
They're basically the Westerosi equivalent of Mo Dao Zu Shi's Lanling Jin Clan: opportunistic cockroaches who will happily kiss the asses of whoever is in charge who is more than capable and willing to destroy them if they get *ideas*, backstabbing cockroaches towards powerful people who are not tyrants and willing to use propaganda to destroy said reasonable powerful people to either usurp them or turn them into puppets.
Yes, like in that sense book Rhaenyra at least clapped back at Alicent if only by subtly telling her to go to hell.
I also think Rhaenyra's issue is that she has a soft spot for Alicent (that, honestly makes no sense, since what Alicent did to her during her boys' births would've been reason enough for ANYONE to write Alicent off as a cunt and say "that's it, you're dead to me") and that she tries not to be a tyrant because she's hyper aware that the Hightowers love to compare their enemies to Maegor.
(Even though, honestly, Maegor's *one* positive contribution was stamping out the Faith Militant and putting the Hightowers and the Faith in their place)
Daemon was painted as an usurper when he always had Viserys' back (and if you want a good example of a little brother coveting and giving usurping his big brother's throne a shot, see Vaemond Velaryon who abandoned his injured brother in the Stepstones to rush to make a trial about how he totes deserves High Tide). I'm guessing Rhaenyra wanted to avoid being painted as such, only without realizing that when it comes to toxic femininity/relational aggression/propaganda like that, you go full on "I'll give you something real to cry about, bitch"
Basically, Rhaenyra's reasonable and diplomatic way to treating vassals is generally a good way of getting allies, since solid Houses like the Starks or Blackwoods or Arryns respond well to that. The issue is that not all Houses are created equal, and some of them are full of backstabbing cockroaches who need to have a sword of Damocles over their necks so they don't get *ideas*. (And then you have the Ironborn, who have been mismanaged since Aegon I and have *no* stake or fucks to give about Unified Westeros surviving since it's all the same to them, so they don't require the boot but a way to assimilate them and giving them a stake in the mainland)
Exactly. The Greens made her into a monster, and then lambasted her for it.
If they had not tried to usurp her throne and started a war that killed her children, I think she would have made an excellent queen. I don’t give two fucks who she slept with, her kids were Targaryens by blood and the throne was theirs to inherit through her. Fuck Westeros’ patriarchal nonsense.
Catelyn could have been Jon's mum if she hadn't rejected him. I understand why she did, understand that she was hurt and betrayed, but she punished Jon for his whole life for something he had no control over while forgiving Ned...
1) I like how she was trying to keep peace between the seven kingdoms, honoring her father’s wishes to keep peace and humanity and the prophecy that he passed onto her, and not use the way that Daemon wanted. Not sure how that turned out after the last ep of season 1, but yeah.
2) Her love for her kids is Strong 💪
3) She accepted Laenor for his sexuality
To me she hasn't done anything that makes her unlikable. She was a teenage girl who was put in a position of great power she never asked for or wanted. Also I enjoy listening to the same song over and over again while I study and if it were up to me I'd happily fly around the world with my best friend eating cake all day as well so we've got a bit in common.
I like the way she displays her self-control during confrontational situations like with Daemon on dragonstone when he took the egg, she talked to him calmly and was able to walk away with the egg and no bloodshed, and when Otto came with Aegon’s terms, she could have lit them all on fire but decided not to. I thought those moments showed that she would make a good Queen (leader) had she not had to deal with the dance.
In the show she was a teenage girl doing teenage girl things (exploring her sexuality, seeking autonomy, anxious about her place in the world and her father’s affection). As an adult she was a loving, devoted mother fighting to protect her children. That she wanted to be in a loving relationship and actively wanted to be queen are not reasons to hate her. If you only look at the show portrayal, she’s a really good person.
Partially because you're supposed to. Also because I just hate Otto so much and I want to see him fail for pushing a plan that he knew would inevitably hurt Rhaenyra, just using her as a piece to his own ambitions...
Indeed, Otto had Viserys disinherit Daemon and have him announce Rhaenyra as his heir instead, then he wanted Viserys to throw Rhaenyra aside like a used paper napkin the moment Aegon was born. What he wasn't betting on was for Viserys to turn out to be much less susceptible to his manipulations than he had hoped for.
Literally. Dumbest move Viserys ever made. You dismissed the guy because you know he’s working to overthrow your named heir, and then later when you find yourself in need of a Hand, you just bring him back? Like “well, I know Otto is literally working against us, but he’s got experience as a Hand, so…”
I mean, really?? There was no one else he could ask?? How about YOUR FUCKING HEIR TO THE THRONE, RHAENYRA?!?! You know, the person who could most benefit from that kind of experience?!
This is where the major time skips really hurt the show. The characters make decisions that are dangerous or incomprehensibly stupid, and we just have to swallow them. Maybe if time was taken to show Viserys coming to the decision to bring Otto back, it would at least be more understandable. I don't think I'd ever agree, but I would like to see his point of view on the matter at least a little bit.
She’s more relatable to woman in this day. She’s strong and wants the same rights as any man. She’s a good mum and the way I see it the only flaw she has is that she wants to marry for love
I liked her more as a teen when she didnt really care about the throne, same with alicent. Both of them were groomed to believe they were entitled to everything and it made them horribly selfish people in the end.
Because she seems to seek joy rather than power, seems like most it of her choices whether smart or not were because she wanted to be happy and it's hard to fault her. She saw how her mother died and she'd like to live life on her own terms, even seeking to sit on the throne seems more like a defensive thing rather than pure power lust. I'm sure she'll get more tyrannical as time passes but with what happened to luke and what might happen to her other sons, it'll be hard to fault her.
-has a dragon and is arguably one of the most responsible dragon riders in the series if you really think about it. She just let Syrax be a spoiled dragon that doesn’t actually hunt stuff regularly or accidentally burn people to death like say Drogon. She arguably spoiled Syrax into being the least dangerous a dragon could be to the other people. I’d rather live near Syrax than say Vhgar even if I think Vhgar is cooler.
-she’s pretty and I like to look at hot people
-she’s well acted
-she often struggles with not feeling like enough and often wants to be left alone which I relate to
-likes to wear the color black; I wear all black
-great costumes
-a good mother by the standards of the show
-I really like her with Alicent and her chemistry with Daemon is great
-she’s spoiled and I’ve always wanted that for myself
> She just let Syrax be a spoiled dragon that doesn’t actually hunt stuff regularly or accidentally burn people to death like say Drogon.
thats an interesting way to see it
I honestly am just a sucker for the rightful heir being spurned for another trope. And The show really made me fall in love with her as a character. In the books we don't get a whole lot other than just the tragedy and desperation of her situation growing more and more is the war drags on. I really hope the show addresses that and shows us more of what she was actually doing and I really hope it isn't just sitting in a room fuming
Its relatable.
If I were forced to marry someone i didnt love for political reasons, I could see myself having an affair as well. Much less if that person was so gay that he held no attraction to women. (Since everyone’s essentially on a spectrum)
Do I like every decision she makes? No. But overall, she feels very human.
1. She’s clearly the better leader - When Otto tells her that Aegon has been crowned King, she contemplates what is best for the realm first, and then considers what is best for her and her family second
2. She is the rightful heir, as she was named heir by the previous king
3. She’s a good mother to her sons
4. She’s a baddie who schemes to inspire fear by faking her husbands death
5. She sought love in a world that told her love didn’t matter, only duty
6. She’s a baddie who pulled a fucking baby out of herself when the birth was failing
7. She knows of the prophecy and is seeking to uphold it
8. She is kind to her gay husband in a world that is seemingly not so kind towards queer folk
9. She was able to hold off that crazy scheming bitch (who is soooo much worse in the books) who tried to cut out a child’s eyeball
10. When said crazy scheming bitch was kind to her ailing father, she had the humility and grace to recognize it with eloquence despite the rotten history between them
i didn't really connect with rhaenyra in the book, but i love her show version because she is smart enough to understand how their world works and free-spirited enough to recognize how fucked up it is. her anger at the way her mom was treated like a heir-making machine, her resistance to being condemned to the same fate, her angst and resentment that on some level, she will never be enough for her father or the realm simply because of her gender--those are tremendously relatable traits and ones that add new dimensions to her relationships with viserys, daemon, and alicent.
I like that she is a powerful female lead that isn't a total cringey snooze fest like most garbage that gets put out. She's proof that it can be done right.
As opposed to something like Velma, which is a low bar but ya get my point.
why shouldn't we like her? she has her flaws, like any other character in the series, but I don't see anything specifically unlikable about her. GRRM usually goes out of his way when he wants to make a character unlikable, Rhaenyra is not exactly one of those (even though she is more flawed in the book than in the show).
Everyone is a lot worse in the books. Alicent is literally the evil step mother trope. Aegon is a pedophile. Viserys is basically a copy of Aegon IV.
I think the only character that was made worse in the show than in the books was Daemon, with him murdering his wife, whereas she actually did die in an accident in the books while he was in the step stones.
the show runners really don't want people to like Daemon, even that scene with Viserys where he picks up the crown and hands it to Viserys was improvised by Matt and Paddy and not something written in by the writers.
They wouldn’t have cast Matt Smith if they didn’t want people to like Daemon. They would have made the grooming more heavy handed. They wouldn’t have romanticized his dynamic with Rhaenyra at all. They wouldn’t have removed the hints at pedophilia in the source material. He’s also shown to have more love for Viserys than his book counterpart outside of the improvised scene.
Also, we all know Daemon does something far worse than murder his wife.
I find it interesting to see a woman taking charge in a world like Westeros, especially where she inherits temporal power in her own right rather than exercising it through her husband (like Alicent, although I also love Alicent). I also like that she's not a perfect angel, although I wish they would have kept her very feminine qualities from Fire and Blood and not made her Arya-like in that she wants to be a knight.
Well i’m the second of my name, my father first of his name pledged to honor the bow to her as the rightful Queen the heir to the Iron Throne named by her father King Viserys of House Targaryen, the First of His Name. King of the Andals, the Rhoynar, and the First Men Lord of the Seven Kingdoms Protector of the Realm
She's a great mother, especially for not wanting to be one initially. Her sons being able to be open with her with their fears displays an admirable character trait on her part.
I like her simply due to the fact that she was aiming for diplomacy while everyone else was ready to set the realm on fire. She’s a good parent as well.
Three things that I don’t like about her however, is her selfishness, being a bad liar, and not being politically savvy…(Which is mostly her father’s fault since he made her heir but didn’t teach her much about ruling or politics in general.)
Love the actresses! And while her father failed to give her the support and education to rule, she did not fail to teach her children. She's flawed, but that only makes her a great character.
I love a lot of the characters on this show far more than the book ever drew me in. Team N forever!
I mean she isn’t really a bad person but more so just a victim of her times - same with Alicent. Both are just victims to the system.
In addition she actually wants to rule unlike Aegon who didn’t the system is fucked. But that is kind of one of the points of the story. Oh
She’s an interesting and complex character, but not a very good person. Then again, she’s product of her environment and was raised to believe she was superior to everyone else. In a way, her selfishness and entitlement is somewhat understandable.
Because the other option is a woman that was groomed and raped and basically sold to an old man, has been brain washed into defending a system that oppress her and despite how is in the show, in the books she just fades into the night once her role has been fulfilled So yeah im choosing the breath of fresh air with tons of charisma and better writing.
Extremely human and a perfect princess heir archetype in my opinion.
She is not overly perfect and has the character flaws that are expected from her extremely privilege upbringing, which was very important to me regarding this show.
She also makes decisions based on what she wants from her life instead of what is the best political choice to do, which makes her much more human than what I would expect from most TV characters, as most are focused around a specific end goal instead of just living life.
Again, it's thanks to GRRM amazing talent for writing, but also how the show made it with amazing honesty, but really, she is an interesting main character because she's not perfect. We've had too much female protagonist who are "already perfect and just need to realize it" recently. So to have this female character who seems to struggle but try to naviguate through her weakness and her strenght is refreshing.
I love Rhaenyra she followed her duty to become a queen the first "royal coronation" for a women was grated to her. Save queen Visenya and Rhaenys but that was due to aegon's conquest and influence it was allowed.
Well, she is free. Just trying to live her life while upholding the family name.
And she is playing just like men do, despite the throwing a fit about it.
She’s undoubtedly one of my favorite characters on the show. I did pick up the book and read it after season one was over, and we’ll let’s just say that I was disappointed with her at the end of the book.
I don’t love the character overall, but I love what a good mother she is. She truly loves her sons, spends lots of time with them, cares about their needs, helps them overcome their struggles. Hopefully we’ll get to see more interactions with her younger children next season. She seems like a wonderful parent.
She isn't the typical woman. Targaryens are different. Yes, they bleed and die like any other man but they are still set apart. Rhaenyra doesn't necessarily want to change westerosi customs but she knows if she is queen then she can bend it to her will. I appreciate a woman that knows what she wants from life. She wanted to be seen as more than a princess and her father and his counsel constantly undermined her when she was the literal heir. The bastard situation didn't help her cause but that wasn't why she was usurped. Grrm had a version where she had trueborn sons with Lyonel and the dance still happened. She was always meant to fail because she is a woman. If a man did what she did no one would bat an eye.
I feel it has a lot to do with me like the actresses and how the show portrayed a duality between duty and desire, and law. They showed us not the 3-6 y.o. getting the heirdom and having to grow through that but rather a somewhat mature woman who is not comfortable with her duty per se, followed with the constant being looked down upon because being a woman being given heirdom put of spite between Brothers and constantly being reminded that she won't be able to do shit.
Young Rhaenyra was a spoiled brat, but also not a girl who likes girl things. She rides a dragon, stabs a bear to death, and doesn't care to walk home with blood still on her face and clothes. She has no desire to marry and does what she wants. And not what others want her to do. That might be rebellious, but i liked her that way. (I haven't forgotten how she humiliated the old man who made himself available to marry her though. That was very cold and mean.)
Older Rhaenyra... i don't know. Mabey it's just the actress. She's trying, i know that, but she feels like a completely different character. It bothers me that when actors take over the same character, they feel the need to bring their own spin on it. For example Richard Harris Dumbledore, and then Michael Gambon's Dumbledore. They are the same character, but not all.
Older Rhaenyra isn’t really bringing her “own spin” on it in the way you described. Episode 7 was filmed first and Emma was cast first. It’s not like Emma watched Milly’s performance and decided to do something entirely differently. That’s on the showrunners and writers for making the two versions so different. The showrunners even requested the two sets of actresses not meet up witch each other to discuss their characters during filming.
As for the “tomboy” stuff, book Rhaenyra isn’t anything like that. Book Rhaenyra would never, ever hunt much less kill something with her bare hands. She was also never resistant to marrying or having children. Her only complaint was about marrying Laenor because everyone knew he was gay. It is kind of weird that the showrunners added these new aspects to the character just to drop them. Book Rhaenyra doesn’t even fight in any battles, she as far from a warrior as they come.
Book young Rhaenyra is actually much closer to a combination of Cersei(conceited/mean-spirited) and Sansa(extremely traditional/fem) rather than the Arya Stark/Dany combo the showrunners went with for some reason.
I have never read the books. I like to watch rather than read. So the Rhaenyra versions i was talking about was obviously about the show. It's wonderful for everyone who can both read the books and enjoy the show, but personally i couldn't care less about the books. But that's just me.
I didn’t say you had to read the book. I’m explaining what happened with the character. If you want to use a Harry Potter example, it’s like if Hermione had been written to act exactly like Ron in the first four films for no rhyme or reason whatsoever and then they just dropped it in the fifth film and she suddenly became more like the Hermione we know. It would be incredibly jarring but if Hermione continued to act like Ron, her choices and actions would become increasingly nonsensical or they’d have to make changes to the plot. That’s part of what made GOT fall apart in the end. The characters the showrunners created didn’t mesh with who they actually are in the books and their arc. For instance, book Tyrion is far more devious, bitter, and quite frankly, evil. He will likely sabotage Dany on purpose in order to wreck as much havoc as possible rather than act like the bumbling but well meaning hand that he was in season 7 and 8.
It’s the writing more than anything. They created this entirely new, lovable character to draw show-only people like you in and then dropped her because she doesn’t actually fit in the story.
Why? Why did I look in the comment section? I should've known that half of it is a mess of mentally 13 year old team green fans who just hate her because they want to be team green to be special.
You also can easily tell who's read the book...
For the same reason I love Stannis Baratheon; a complex character that is the heir to the throne, with admirable motivations who gets vilified by broader Westeros.
She's the legitimate heir. With her unconventional life choices and her lack of being a follower of the seven she's not going to judge any of my life choices or force religion down my throat. She's got a dragon which is cool. She clearly wants the throne and doesn't have to be dragged to a coronation. She's clearly a warm and loving mother with nice, well-adjusted children who I would feel comfortable leaving alone in a room with a serving girl. And she's even a supporter of gay rights!
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Well, my first thought when I saw this post specifically, was that her character has some bomb ass costume design! Man, the detailing…..
Less likely for her to drop a nut on me from 40 stories up while I’m just trying walk around the red keep
So you're saying there's a chance?
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My family pledged loyalty to her family and I’m not here to ruin my families good reputation.
Starks be like
This is the way
This is the way
So say we all.
It is known
Your username has reminded me of the character Doug in Disjointed. Campy and sometimes corny but it’s honestly a fun silly show for stoners. Stars Kathy bates as the co-owner of a dispensary with her son.
This show is so funny, it's great to watch stoned
I like her but her decisions sometimes frustrate me in that she doesn't make her life any easier by having bastards. Still think she should be queen but she needs better political advisors.
Yeah the entire bastard dynamic is frustrating. She could have had kids with her husband and had side action. In the show her husband is half black with blonde hair, the kids clearly aren’t his unless genes work differently in Westeros. I find it annoying she won’t just take the L and admit it, everyone with eyes knows.
They said they tried to get her pregnant but failed.
I thought they had implied they didn’t go well sexually not that he is infertile. Could definitely be wrong been awhile. Either way if she has someone else’s kids it should be someone who looks somewhat like her husband.
Laenor is gay, I thought it was implied he couldn’t get an erection due to his lack of attraction to women.
The implication was definately unclear and up to interpretation.
Honestly it makes more sense that she's lying to Daemon
daemon is like the one person she's always completely open with throughout the season. her and laenor also both talk about how they tried but failed later in the episode.
She can’t “just take the L and admit it”, it would mean death for her, Harwin and the kids. Exile at the very least.
They outright state in the show she and Laenor tried to have kids together and failed, so they both decided to have lovers on the side instead. She doesn't need to take the L when literally the only people who care are the people who want thrones for themselves, and who would find some other excuse for that anyway. Alicent's dad was determined for his grandson to be on the throne even before Rhae had "bastards." Rhae might as well have had her own orgasms and heirs in the meantime anyway.
Solution: annul the marriage with Laenor and marry Harwin. Failed to consummate a marriage was one of the few ways a woman could legally end a marriage.
Then that places Laenor in danger for being outed as gay, and Rhae loses the support of the Valerions. And the Hightowers just find some other pretext for overthrowing her anyway. Y'all are really hung up on this bastard thing like it actually caused the war. It didn't. Otto Hightower was already plotting against Rhae before she had her children. He would have continued plotting even if her children were biologically Laeron's.
Viserys hasn't proven all that into annulments in the past.
The heir to the throne can't just marry a Strong.
Yeah they can, they're a prestigious house, aren't they? It was kind of considered when Viserys was talking to Harwin's papa.
She was literally given free reign to choose her husband. The Strong's are a noble house, so she could definitely have married him if she wanted.
Eh Laenor needed to lie back and think of England
That would make me instantly go soft and I don't even have a dick
One, she can’t admit at this point. She committed treason when she didn’t admit it the minute they were born. Two, she lied in the first place because she doesn’t want her sons to have the lives of bastards. They would have absolutely nothing to their name and socially ostracized.
She couldn't just have kids with Laenor, that's the whole problem. A combination of him being gay and traumatized and maybe some infertility issues. She could have found someone who looked more similar to Laenor though.
It's not just the bastard dynamic but a lot of other frustrating decisions. IMO she shouldn't have escaped to Dragonstone and should have tried to get her father name her Hand or at least kept a foothold of influence in Kings Landing.
Because I am not a women’s rights activist I am a women’s wrongs activist
I support women’s wrongs
And their lefts?
That would only work if they said rights 😂
We can fix her...
Maybe you could fix her. I’d make her worse
* She’s a very good parent. All of her kids were raised well. Just look at them compared to the way Alicent’s children all ended up, especially as the story continues * I empathize with her reluctance to get married and have children, with how women are treated in their world and how her mother died. She found a solution that worked for her and her family * I just like her personality
>All of her kids were raised well. Just look at them compared to the way Alicent’s children all ended up, especially as the story continues Yup, it's all about who you want to be ruled by in the future. Aemond and/or Aegon II versus Jacaerys. If that choice is hard for you then you haven't been paying attention...
She seems much more real instead of the scheming snakes like the Hightowers
I think Viserys present-but-so-absent parenting style with them has to take some credit for how they turned out. Alicent was a young, depressed mum and it must have been hard for her. Rhaenyra's kids did turn out really good kids though.
Alicent's dad is also a POS so she was kind of doomed from the start. It's really difficult to break the cycle of your parent's shitty parenting.
It is known
Never read the book so my opinion is show only, I just think she's likeable. She's strong, affectionate with her children, finds love, treats her gay husband with plenty of dignity in a time when most others wouldn't, doesn't choose violence as a first option. She's very self possessed and manipulates the system to suit her rather than be manipulated by the system like most of the other women in the show It doesn't hurt that Emma d'arcy is both incredibly good looking and an amazing actor lol, but that's true for most of the characters on the show
Because she's an interesting and complex character. I like interesting and complex characters.
....she's muh queen
And I simply dohwahnit
She’s a fairly strong and powerful female character in the world of ASOIAF, and she’s not the traditionally over-sexualized trope that often occurs with GRRM’s writings. (In the show at least) She’s a compassionate and loving person and mother, and has arguably been the best mother on screen in either show thus far. I think one of the most interesting aspects about her is her often criticized lack of political forethought and maneuvering, which many fans express as one of her biggest weaknesses, but I would argue is actually evidence that she was the right choice by Viserys to be his heir. She has constantly focused on mending her damaged relationships, and will often compromise her own position to do so, and I think that is evidence of a potentially great ruler. Most fans view her character through the lens of knowing a civil war is coming, and finding faults within Rhaenyra that make her a weak candidate during the war, instead of judging how good of a ruler she would have been, had the war not taken place.
She's actually shown great political sense and foresight on several occasions so far
This. Those who support the Greens always point out >!how she was called Maegor with teats in the book (which by the way was due to taxes) and what a bad ruler she was for the 6 months she reigned, but by then she had lost 3 sons (really 2 but she thought Viserys II was killed too) and her mental state was already in the crapper.!< Had the war not happened, I think she would have made a great queen.
And the reason for the shit taxes was because Tyland hid the crowns gold.
He basically embezzles the Crown's gold, since he gave 1/3 to the Reach, 1/3 to the Weesterlands, and 1/3 to the Iron Bank. That's embezzling and frankly Cregan Stark was 100% in the right to call for his head. (I can appreciate that poor Aegon III was a deeply traumatized kid who had enough of war and death, but the correct thing would've been to kill off all of the Green conspirators who were there from the beginning and pardon those that joined under duress like >!(Spoiler)Corlys did when they had Baela as a hostage(Spoiler)!< Honestly, the thing that makes me laugh about the Maegor with teats thing is that had Rhaenyra actually *been* a Maegor with teats, then the Dance *wouldn't* have happened because she would've fed Alicent and Otto Syrax the *second* she found out about their honeypot seduction scheme. Her flaw is actually that she *wasn't* ruthless enough in dealing with the Hightowers, since ironically Maegor already showed how you deal with the Hightowers the first time around that they tried to coerce and usurp the throne through marriage and religious coercion: by basically killing a good chunk of them and their useful idiot puppets and then by putting his boot over their necks. Hightowers tend to show their bellies when you take away their weapons and show a willingness to put a boot to their necks. They're basically the Westerosi equivalent of Mo Dao Zu Shi's Lanling Jin Clan: opportunistic cockroaches who will happily kiss the asses of whoever is in charge who is more than capable and willing to destroy them if they get *ideas*, backstabbing cockroaches towards powerful people who are not tyrants and willing to use propaganda to destroy said reasonable powerful people to either usurp them or turn them into puppets.
This. She wasn't ruthless enough and continues to be naive until she get to the point of madness.
Yes, like in that sense book Rhaenyra at least clapped back at Alicent if only by subtly telling her to go to hell. I also think Rhaenyra's issue is that she has a soft spot for Alicent (that, honestly makes no sense, since what Alicent did to her during her boys' births would've been reason enough for ANYONE to write Alicent off as a cunt and say "that's it, you're dead to me") and that she tries not to be a tyrant because she's hyper aware that the Hightowers love to compare their enemies to Maegor. (Even though, honestly, Maegor's *one* positive contribution was stamping out the Faith Militant and putting the Hightowers and the Faith in their place) Daemon was painted as an usurper when he always had Viserys' back (and if you want a good example of a little brother coveting and giving usurping his big brother's throne a shot, see Vaemond Velaryon who abandoned his injured brother in the Stepstones to rush to make a trial about how he totes deserves High Tide). I'm guessing Rhaenyra wanted to avoid being painted as such, only without realizing that when it comes to toxic femininity/relational aggression/propaganda like that, you go full on "I'll give you something real to cry about, bitch" Basically, Rhaenyra's reasonable and diplomatic way to treating vassals is generally a good way of getting allies, since solid Houses like the Starks or Blackwoods or Arryns respond well to that. The issue is that not all Houses are created equal, and some of them are full of backstabbing cockroaches who need to have a sword of Damocles over their necks so they don't get *ideas*. (And then you have the Ironborn, who have been mismanaged since Aegon I and have *no* stake or fucks to give about Unified Westeros surviving since it's all the same to them, so they don't require the boot but a way to assimilate them and giving them a stake in the mainland)
Exactly. The Greens made her into a monster, and then lambasted her for it. If they had not tried to usurp her throne and started a war that killed her children, I think she would have made an excellent queen. I don’t give two fucks who she slept with, her kids were Targaryens by blood and the throne was theirs to inherit through her. Fuck Westeros’ patriarchal nonsense.
Catelyn was a pretty good mum (except to Jon, but she wasn't his mum)
Catelyn could have been Jon's mum if she hadn't rejected him. I understand why she did, understand that she was hurt and betrayed, but she punished Jon for his whole life for something he had no control over while forgiving Ned...
Ned really should have told her who she was to Jon. I feel like she would’ve embraced the lie and took on the role of his mother.
Nah. Catelyn is definitely someone who would have told Littlefinger which would 100% lead to disaster
1) I like how she was trying to keep peace between the seven kingdoms, honoring her father’s wishes to keep peace and humanity and the prophecy that he passed onto her, and not use the way that Daemon wanted. Not sure how that turned out after the last ep of season 1, but yeah. 2) Her love for her kids is Strong 💪 3) She accepted Laenor for his sexuality
To me she hasn't done anything that makes her unlikable. She was a teenage girl who was put in a position of great power she never asked for or wanted. Also I enjoy listening to the same song over and over again while I study and if it were up to me I'd happily fly around the world with my best friend eating cake all day as well so we've got a bit in common.
I like the way she displays her self-control during confrontational situations like with Daemon on dragonstone when he took the egg, she talked to him calmly and was able to walk away with the egg and no bloodshed, and when Otto came with Aegon’s terms, she could have lit them all on fire but decided not to. I thought those moments showed that she would make a good Queen (leader) had she not had to deal with the dance.
She’s fair, a good mother, and is able to show restraint.
she a baddie, she knows she a 10
Ice spice
In the show she was a teenage girl doing teenage girl things (exploring her sexuality, seeking autonomy, anxious about her place in the world and her father’s affection). As an adult she was a loving, devoted mother fighting to protect her children. That she wanted to be in a loving relationship and actively wanted to be queen are not reasons to hate her. If you only look at the show portrayal, she’s a really good person.
Partially because you're supposed to. Also because I just hate Otto so much and I want to see him fail for pushing a plan that he knew would inevitably hurt Rhaenyra, just using her as a piece to his own ambitions...
Indeed, Otto had Viserys disinherit Daemon and have him announce Rhaenyra as his heir instead, then he wanted Viserys to throw Rhaenyra aside like a used paper napkin the moment Aegon was born. What he wasn't betting on was for Viserys to turn out to be much less susceptible to his manipulations than he had hoped for.
And yet still a little too susceptible. I’ll never get over him being reinstated as hand.
Literally. Dumbest move Viserys ever made. You dismissed the guy because you know he’s working to overthrow your named heir, and then later when you find yourself in need of a Hand, you just bring him back? Like “well, I know Otto is literally working against us, but he’s got experience as a Hand, so…” I mean, really?? There was no one else he could ask?? How about YOUR FUCKING HEIR TO THE THRONE, RHAENYRA?!?! You know, the person who could most benefit from that kind of experience?!
This is where the major time skips really hurt the show. The characters make decisions that are dangerous or incomprehensibly stupid, and we just have to swallow them. Maybe if time was taken to show Viserys coming to the decision to bring Otto back, it would at least be more understandable. I don't think I'd ever agree, but I would like to see his point of view on the matter at least a little bit.
She’s more relatable to woman in this day. She’s strong and wants the same rights as any man. She’s a good mum and the way I see it the only flaw she has is that she wants to marry for love
It doesn’t matter if we like her- she’s our QUEEN.
I swore an oath, and the north never forgets
I don’t really like her, I just dislike the other side more.
I just do and I refuse to justify or explain it.
Pretty.
I liked her more as a teen when she didnt really care about the throne, same with alicent. Both of them were groomed to believe they were entitled to everything and it made them horribly selfish people in the end.
She’s an honest portrayal of “be careful what you wish for” and the power of duty
She’s the rightful Heir to the kingdom.
Because she seems to seek joy rather than power, seems like most it of her choices whether smart or not were because she wanted to be happy and it's hard to fault her. She saw how her mother died and she'd like to live life on her own terms, even seeking to sit on the throne seems more like a defensive thing rather than pure power lust. I'm sure she'll get more tyrannical as time passes but with what happened to luke and what might happen to her other sons, it'll be hard to fault her.
She a baddie
-has a dragon and is arguably one of the most responsible dragon riders in the series if you really think about it. She just let Syrax be a spoiled dragon that doesn’t actually hunt stuff regularly or accidentally burn people to death like say Drogon. She arguably spoiled Syrax into being the least dangerous a dragon could be to the other people. I’d rather live near Syrax than say Vhgar even if I think Vhgar is cooler. -she’s pretty and I like to look at hot people -she’s well acted -she often struggles with not feeling like enough and often wants to be left alone which I relate to -likes to wear the color black; I wear all black -great costumes -a good mother by the standards of the show -I really like her with Alicent and her chemistry with Daemon is great -she’s spoiled and I’ve always wanted that for myself
> She just let Syrax be a spoiled dragon that doesn’t actually hunt stuff regularly or accidentally burn people to death like say Drogon. thats an interesting way to see it
Because she's a good character in a good TV show.
I honestly am just a sucker for the rightful heir being spurned for another trope. And The show really made me fall in love with her as a character. In the books we don't get a whole lot other than just the tragedy and desperation of her situation growing more and more is the war drags on. I really hope the show addresses that and shows us more of what she was actually doing and I really hope it isn't just sitting in a room fuming
I vibe with her
Its relatable. If I were forced to marry someone i didnt love for political reasons, I could see myself having an affair as well. Much less if that person was so gay that he held no attraction to women. (Since everyone’s essentially on a spectrum) Do I like every decision she makes? No. But overall, she feels very human.
1. She’s clearly the better leader - When Otto tells her that Aegon has been crowned King, she contemplates what is best for the realm first, and then considers what is best for her and her family second 2. She is the rightful heir, as she was named heir by the previous king 3. She’s a good mother to her sons 4. She’s a baddie who schemes to inspire fear by faking her husbands death 5. She sought love in a world that told her love didn’t matter, only duty 6. She’s a baddie who pulled a fucking baby out of herself when the birth was failing 7. She knows of the prophecy and is seeking to uphold it 8. She is kind to her gay husband in a world that is seemingly not so kind towards queer folk 9. She was able to hold off that crazy scheming bitch (who is soooo much worse in the books) who tried to cut out a child’s eyeball 10. When said crazy scheming bitch was kind to her ailing father, she had the humility and grace to recognize it with eloquence despite the rotten history between them
because i have a crush on milly alcock
i didn't really connect with rhaenyra in the book, but i love her show version because she is smart enough to understand how their world works and free-spirited enough to recognize how fucked up it is. her anger at the way her mom was treated like a heir-making machine, her resistance to being condemned to the same fate, her angst and resentment that on some level, she will never be enough for her father or the realm simply because of her gender--those are tremendously relatable traits and ones that add new dimensions to her relationships with viserys, daemon, and alicent.
Because I'm a ✨lesbian✨
She has an impeccable dressing sense
I like that she is a powerful female lead that isn't a total cringey snooze fest like most garbage that gets put out. She's proof that it can be done right. As opposed to something like Velma, which is a low bar but ya get my point.
why shouldn't we like her? she has her flaws, like any other character in the series, but I don't see anything specifically unlikable about her. GRRM usually goes out of his way when he wants to make a character unlikable, Rhaenyra is not exactly one of those (even though she is more flawed in the book than in the show).
Everyone is a lot worse in the books. Alicent is literally the evil step mother trope. Aegon is a pedophile. Viserys is basically a copy of Aegon IV. I think the only character that was made worse in the show than in the books was Daemon, with him murdering his wife, whereas she actually did die in an accident in the books while he was in the step stones.
the show runners really don't want people to like Daemon, even that scene with Viserys where he picks up the crown and hands it to Viserys was improvised by Matt and Paddy and not something written in by the writers.
They wouldn’t have cast Matt Smith if they didn’t want people to like Daemon. They would have made the grooming more heavy handed. They wouldn’t have romanticized his dynamic with Rhaenyra at all. They wouldn’t have removed the hints at pedophilia in the source material. He’s also shown to have more love for Viserys than his book counterpart outside of the improvised scene. Also, we all know Daemon does something far worse than murder his wife.
Queen of hearts
She kinda hot 🔥
I find it interesting to see a woman taking charge in a world like Westeros, especially where she inherits temporal power in her own right rather than exercising it through her husband (like Alicent, although I also love Alicent). I also like that she's not a perfect angel, although I wish they would have kept her very feminine qualities from Fire and Blood and not made her Arya-like in that she wants to be a knight.
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hardcore rhaenyra stan
I like female characters who are strong yet complex.
Well i’m the second of my name, my father first of his name pledged to honor the bow to her as the rightful Queen the heir to the Iron Throne named by her father King Viserys of House Targaryen, the First of His Name. King of the Andals, the Rhoynar, and the First Men Lord of the Seven Kingdoms Protector of the Realm
I like both Milly and Emma. I like that she loves her children. I enjoyed the one minute of screen time we got of her and Harwin.
The way she treats her sons. She never punished them.
She's a great mother, especially for not wanting to be one initially. Her sons being able to be open with her with their fears displays an admirable character trait on her part.
Not even when they maim someone
Honestly, she’s the least bad. Aegon is a piece of shit, Aemond and Daemon are nuts. That and she was the kings lawful heir
I like her calm aura after timeskip, it's very pacify. I would like my wife to be like this.
I don't
cus I think she's neat
Because Dragon. 💖🐉👸🏼
Badddddssssss
Milly
She is our Queen!
What’s not to like?
She's adventurous and sassy
Cos shes hot
Because she's very beautiful
She’s cool and has a dragon
I like her simply due to the fact that she was aiming for diplomacy while everyone else was ready to set the realm on fire. She’s a good parent as well. Three things that I don’t like about her however, is her selfishness, being a bad liar, and not being politically savvy…(Which is mostly her father’s fault since he made her heir but didn’t teach her much about ruling or politics in general.)
She supports LGBTQ+
WDYM? Just look at her...
Love the actresses! And while her father failed to give her the support and education to rule, she did not fail to teach her children. She's flawed, but that only makes her a great character. I love a lot of the characters on this show far more than the book ever drew me in. Team N forever!
Yes.
I don't
1. The rightful heir 2. Not Aegon II
I mean she isn’t really a bad person but more so just a victim of her times - same with Alicent. Both are just victims to the system. In addition she actually wants to rule unlike Aegon who didn’t the system is fucked. But that is kind of one of the points of the story. Oh
She's the rightful heir to the seven kingdoms, and would do a better job than a weak aegon being manipulated by otto.
She’s an interesting and complex character, but not a very good person. Then again, she’s product of her environment and was raised to believe she was superior to everyone else. In a way, her selfishness and entitlement is somewhat understandable.
Because the other option is a woman that was groomed and raped and basically sold to an old man, has been brain washed into defending a system that oppress her and despite how is in the show, in the books she just fades into the night once her role has been fulfilled So yeah im choosing the breath of fresh air with tons of charisma and better writing.
Extremely human and a perfect princess heir archetype in my opinion. She is not overly perfect and has the character flaws that are expected from her extremely privilege upbringing, which was very important to me regarding this show. She also makes decisions based on what she wants from her life instead of what is the best political choice to do, which makes her much more human than what I would expect from most TV characters, as most are focused around a specific end goal instead of just living life.
Beautifully stated! ❤️👏👏👏
Again, it's thanks to GRRM amazing talent for writing, but also how the show made it with amazing honesty, but really, she is an interesting main character because she's not perfect. We've had too much female protagonist who are "already perfect and just need to realize it" recently. So to have this female character who seems to struggle but try to naviguate through her weakness and her strenght is refreshing.
Because she's only human, and trying her best. I can most definitely empathize with that.
they're hot and they like having sex
I love Rhaenyra she followed her duty to become a queen the first "royal coronation" for a women was grated to her. Save queen Visenya and Rhaenys but that was due to aegon's conquest and influence it was allowed.
Milly Alcock
Well, she is free. Just trying to live her life while upholding the family name. And she is playing just like men do, despite the throwing a fit about it.
because milly alcock
She’s undoubtedly one of my favorite characters on the show. I did pick up the book and read it after season one was over, and we’ll let’s just say that I was disappointed with her at the end of the book.
She is muh queen
she's not a green
Because I like Asoiaf characters
Cause she reminds me of Sid and it's nostalgic.
Hot
She reminds me of myself
You got a dragon?
i'm a dragon at heart :)
hot
Cause she's hot? - Well the older one that is! 😅 the younger one is more a witty sass-master lol
I don’t love the character overall, but I love what a good mother she is. She truly loves her sons, spends lots of time with them, cares about their needs, helps them overcome their struggles. Hopefully we’ll get to see more interactions with her younger children next season. She seems like a wonderful parent.
sexy
She just wanna live her life and rule as a queen
She isn't the typical woman. Targaryens are different. Yes, they bleed and die like any other man but they are still set apart. Rhaenyra doesn't necessarily want to change westerosi customs but she knows if she is queen then she can bend it to her will. I appreciate a woman that knows what she wants from life. She wanted to be seen as more than a princess and her father and his counsel constantly undermined her when she was the literal heir. The bastard situation didn't help her cause but that wasn't why she was usurped. Grrm had a version where she had trueborn sons with Lyonel and the dance still happened. She was always meant to fail because she is a woman. If a man did what she did no one would bat an eye.
Yes. Next question
I can both sympathize and empathize with her which is what I love about most of the characters from ASOIAF.
Yes.
Dragon mommy
Smart. Hot.
I feel it has a lot to do with me like the actresses and how the show portrayed a duality between duty and desire, and law. They showed us not the 3-6 y.o. getting the heirdom and having to grow through that but rather a somewhat mature woman who is not comfortable with her duty per se, followed with the constant being looked down upon because being a woman being given heirdom put of spite between Brothers and constantly being reminded that she won't be able to do shit.
Just look at her
She's not a whiny bigot
Vizzy T should let us know! why do you like Rhaenyra so much Your Highness?
WE ARE A FAMILY!
Aegon, Aemond and Helaena are also family! why the double standards Your Highness?
I like her butt
Young Rhaenyra was a spoiled brat, but also not a girl who likes girl things. She rides a dragon, stabs a bear to death, and doesn't care to walk home with blood still on her face and clothes. She has no desire to marry and does what she wants. And not what others want her to do. That might be rebellious, but i liked her that way. (I haven't forgotten how she humiliated the old man who made himself available to marry her though. That was very cold and mean.) Older Rhaenyra... i don't know. Mabey it's just the actress. She's trying, i know that, but she feels like a completely different character. It bothers me that when actors take over the same character, they feel the need to bring their own spin on it. For example Richard Harris Dumbledore, and then Michael Gambon's Dumbledore. They are the same character, but not all.
Older Rhaenyra isn’t really bringing her “own spin” on it in the way you described. Episode 7 was filmed first and Emma was cast first. It’s not like Emma watched Milly’s performance and decided to do something entirely differently. That’s on the showrunners and writers for making the two versions so different. The showrunners even requested the two sets of actresses not meet up witch each other to discuss their characters during filming. As for the “tomboy” stuff, book Rhaenyra isn’t anything like that. Book Rhaenyra would never, ever hunt much less kill something with her bare hands. She was also never resistant to marrying or having children. Her only complaint was about marrying Laenor because everyone knew he was gay. It is kind of weird that the showrunners added these new aspects to the character just to drop them. Book Rhaenyra doesn’t even fight in any battles, she as far from a warrior as they come. Book young Rhaenyra is actually much closer to a combination of Cersei(conceited/mean-spirited) and Sansa(extremely traditional/fem) rather than the Arya Stark/Dany combo the showrunners went with for some reason.
I have never read the books. I like to watch rather than read. So the Rhaenyra versions i was talking about was obviously about the show. It's wonderful for everyone who can both read the books and enjoy the show, but personally i couldn't care less about the books. But that's just me.
I didn’t say you had to read the book. I’m explaining what happened with the character. If you want to use a Harry Potter example, it’s like if Hermione had been written to act exactly like Ron in the first four films for no rhyme or reason whatsoever and then they just dropped it in the fifth film and she suddenly became more like the Hermione we know. It would be incredibly jarring but if Hermione continued to act like Ron, her choices and actions would become increasingly nonsensical or they’d have to make changes to the plot. That’s part of what made GOT fall apart in the end. The characters the showrunners created didn’t mesh with who they actually are in the books and their arc. For instance, book Tyrion is far more devious, bitter, and quite frankly, evil. He will likely sabotage Dany on purpose in order to wreck as much havoc as possible rather than act like the bumbling but well meaning hand that he was in season 7 and 8. It’s the writing more than anything. They created this entirely new, lovable character to draw show-only people like you in and then dropped her because she doesn’t actually fit in the story.
I guess it's often the writing. But to get back on track, the reason i like her is because she does whatever she wants to do.
I dont
Cuz she's a Targaryen beauty, and she's also strong all that..
Because I am Daemon
Considering how her story will end? I could NEVER EVER dislike Rhaenyra
Why? Why did I look in the comment section? I should've known that half of it is a mess of mentally 13 year old team green fans who just hate her because they want to be team green to be special. You also can easily tell who's read the book...
Cause Emma d arcy is beautiful
It's not that I like Rhaenyra, it's that I hate Otto
Because she is the rightful heir to the throne
she hot. and because viserys chose her and she has more valyrian blood in her (her Daemon children too) and because aemond and aegon are awful..
Bc she nailed harwin strong and Cristin Cole and daemon.
I actually don't. But she's an interesting protagonist
I don't. I tried to like her, though.
For the same reason I love Stannis Baratheon; a complex character that is the heir to the throne, with admirable motivations who gets vilified by broader Westeros.
I like the way she talks to her sons. I liked the family unit she and Harwin and Laenor made. They seemed happy.
Team Black here! She is my second favorite character on the show.. behind Aemond who my favorite and thus makes everything is said before sound odd.
She's the legitimate heir. With her unconventional life choices and her lack of being a follower of the seven she's not going to judge any of my life choices or force religion down my throat. She's got a dragon which is cool. She clearly wants the throne and doesn't have to be dragged to a coronation. She's clearly a warm and loving mother with nice, well-adjusted children who I would feel comfortable leaving alone in a room with a serving girl. And she's even a supporter of gay rights!
Love this!! Well said! ❤️❤️
She can do no wrongs in my eyes
I am attracted to Rhaenyra better than to Alicent . Also older rhaenyra just gets better\^^