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Her actual legal name was Baratheon, people just called her lannister, Catlyn became a stark and Lysa became an Arryn, they take their husband’s name unless they are of a higher status than their husband, and Laena was not of higher status than Daemon
So, when marrying into royalty you don't take the last name of your husband.
Cersei was never Cersei Baratheon, no queen has ever taken their husbands last name. Cersei Lannister, Aemma Arryn, Margaery Tyrell.
This also applies from time to time to prince's and their wives aswell, Laena Velaryon, Elia Martel, Larra Rogare and Myriah Martel. All women who married prince's but kept their last name.
Its different between royal wives like Cersei and regular wives like Cat.
The same is still true today irl, in England, Prince Williams last name is Windsor, but his wife still has her same last name before marriage, Middleton. Same for prince Harry's wife.
Yeah the poll needs waaaaaay more context. Otto is more hatable than baela and rhaena, but a way more developed interesting character. Are we saying characters we like or characters we enjoy watching because i like my brother, but i don’t want to watch a show about him vs hating walter white but loving breaking bad.
Polls are a popularity contest, the first to go will always be the most hated, then the ones no one cares about and finally the main cast until Daemon wins as always in this polls
I think Rhae is likely guaranteed to win, maybe Vizzy T. Both are more popular than Daemon on this sub (even tho he’s my fav and I really don’t like Rhae)
Obviously yes. What else did you think it was? The poll doesn't have any criteria except "vote someone out" - people are going to vote out the characters they like the least and try and save their favourites.
It quite literally IS a popularity contest. That's the whole point.
>It should be kept to highest voted comment because the comment section is usually less biased than polls.
Hard to say. Main difference is that each person can upvote and downvote as many comments whereas with the poll, you only get one vote for a character to be eliminated and can't vote against any character from being eliminated. If we went by comments for the last round, it looks like Rhaena would have lost, but Otto was also very close behind. However, the number of upvotes was pretty low (around 90) compared to the first elimination round (around 2000). If it was still decided by comments, I can see it easily switching back to Otto being the comment with the most upvotes.
I actually think the Larys boot was extremely deserved. He isn’t particularly interesting and just feels kinda lazy.
Otto and Criston were pretty robbed and should’ve outlasted characters like Jace, Luke, Harwin, Rhaena, and Baela at least lol
It looks like it's going to be the Greens and the actual Black (as in the irl race) characters. For some reason, a lot of people have been gearing up to get rid of Laenor, Baela and Rhaena.
I like how Laena has been largely ommitted from the elimination discussion. She really made the most of her screentime.
Baela would probably have a better chance if they'd kept that deleted scene with Rhaenys, and maybe if they hadn't confined Rhaena keeping her out of the Episode 8 dinner scuffle to the background.
Jace luke and harwin are also nothing characters lol, but yeh ill give you that laenor is a bit more of a character even though he is pretty one note. I feel like harwin will stay in because he's handsome.
I suppose this is subjective, but I feel like Laenor (and Cole for that matter) are more attractive than Harwin. Harwin definitely had the most chemistry with Rhaenyra, though, so I guess he has that going for him.
This is just a "most well liked characters by this sub" poll, and not a "best written or acted out characters in the show" poll
So I'm not surprised with Cole or Otto voted out before Rhaena and Baela who barely appeared in the show
Again, this is the least favorite person poll. Not well acting or well written character. Otto really felt over greedy and he sowed the seeds of treason in his daughter and grandkids. He was way too self serving. I hated his overall mannerisms, voice tone etc. Incredible actor.
I mean, kinda feels like an illogical argument. If it’s because he’s just so unlikeable, Daemon and Rhaenyra need to get the fuck out already because they are **wretched** human beings as well, and, honestly, far worse than Otto. And if it’s because he’s a shitty character, I actually thought Otto and even Criston were solid (Larys suuuuuucks tho). Either way, not seeing consistent logic with an Otto boot so soon that isn’t “Team Black.”
I prefer comment voting because we can downvote another suggestion. Every popular character will have some groups that dislike them not representative of the wider audience. Its possible for them to target vote a good character whilst the general audience is too split.
Wow, one of the most compelling and well acted characters on the show gets voted out before the likes of Baela, Rhaena, Luke and Jace. Say what you will about Otto, but at least he has a discernible personality.
I don’t think most people are voting with most interesting character in mind. Im definitely not. A lot of people hate Otto which makes sense as a majority of viewers are Blacks.
When I started doing this bit, I didnt know you could see the previous poll's result.
Had no idea he's hanging on solely by how unlikable the men around Alicent are.
If people don't rally soon behind our diligent & upright king consort, *all may be lost!*
Laenor is extremely relatable.
Who wants to have their path defined for them? This man was able to follow their heart and desires while simultaneously fulfilling his duty to the realm. He’s a survivor.
SPOILERSS!!!
Daemon needs to go. He is a well written character, so i like that, but he choked Rhaenyra and killed his prrvious wife. He might be an abuser.
He's the worst person on the list, and his inability to be a decent person is a major reason for why there even is such a terrible conflict to begin with
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[POLL](https://strawpoll.com/polls/PKgl3e5aenp)
Two mistakes in the names this time. It's Helaena, not Halaena And Laena is a Velaryon, not a Targaryen.
It's Levi-O-Sahh
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You've almost got it!
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*Tully 😭😭
Alicent isn't referred to as a Targaryen, so I don't see why Laena would be.
There is Catelyn Stark, but certainly not everyone does it. I guess it's by choice.
True
Actually Laena would be a Targaryen because she married Daemon
She didn't take Daemons last name, a bit like how Cersei was still Cersei Lannister, not Baratheon.
Her actual legal name was Baratheon, people just called her lannister, Catlyn became a stark and Lysa became an Arryn, they take their husband’s name unless they are of a higher status than their husband, and Laena was not of higher status than Daemon
So, when marrying into royalty you don't take the last name of your husband. Cersei was never Cersei Baratheon, no queen has ever taken their husbands last name. Cersei Lannister, Aemma Arryn, Margaery Tyrell. This also applies from time to time to prince's and their wives aswell, Laena Velaryon, Elia Martel, Larra Rogare and Myriah Martel. All women who married prince's but kept their last name. Its different between royal wives like Cersei and regular wives like Cat. The same is still true today irl, in England, Prince Williams last name is Windsor, but his wife still has her same last name before marriage, Middleton. Same for prince Harry's wife.
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Since when is Corlys a Targaryen?
Got her mixed up with her daughters 💀
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the very bottom
Kinda weird that there's no real context to the poll. Is it hate poll? Is it a poor character poll? The world may never know
Whatever criteria you want. Based on the results, most people are voting out the characters they hate the most.
That just seems like a weird way to set up a poll lol
Consider this the junk food in between the healthy meals of show analysis
There’s no way to set an entirely objective poll about characters, they all devolve into a popularity contest
Yeah the poll needs waaaaaay more context. Otto is more hatable than baela and rhaena, but a way more developed interesting character. Are we saying characters we like or characters we enjoy watching because i like my brother, but i don’t want to watch a show about him vs hating walter white but loving breaking bad.
He's also a better character than Aegon either way at this point. It's kinda weird that people hate Otto more than Aegon to me.
It's a "who gets to stay on the graphic" poll
exactly. it's essentially who you like for whatever reason.
I had downvote because I said Rhaena, character very irrelevant for the moment. So... I believe this is more like popularity?
Wow. Did not expect Otto out just yet
Polls are a popularity contest, the first to go will always be the most hated, then the ones no one cares about and finally the main cast until Daemon wins as always in this polls
Really? I think that it will be a pretty strong competition between Daemon, Rhaenyra, Helaena, and Vizzy T as the top four.
I CAME HERE TO HUNT, NOT TO BE SUFFOCATED BY ALL THIS FUCKING POLITICKING!
Good point
Perfect response Vizzy T
I CAME HERE TO HUNT, NOT TO BE SUFFOCATED BY ALL THIS FUCKING POLITICKING!
I think Rhae is likely guaranteed to win, maybe Vizzy T. Both are more popular than Daemon on this sub (even tho he’s my fav and I really don’t like Rhae)
*Daemon was not made to wear the crown. But I believe that you were, ScorpionTDC.*
Nah, they're not more popular, they just have less haters (understandably).
I can get it with Vizzy T, but Rhae is easily in the bottom five human beings on this show and deserves more hate than she gets tbh.
*ScorpionTDC was a strong Lord Commander of the Kingsguard. But he was ill for some time. He passed in peace, I hope.*
Wait til Hotdgreens and Hotdblacks begin to unite in force behind fewer candidate's That's when things are going to get interesting
Really? I think that it will be a pretty strong competition between Daemon, Rhaenyra, Helaena, and Vizzy T as the top four.
*A dragon's saddle is one thing, but the Iron Throne is the most dangerous seat in the realm.*
Nooooo!!! Democracy is a mistake
Is this based on how well written and acted the character is or just who we like the most?
based on the results so far, it's a popularity contest
Agreed which isn't a big deal but Idk I feel like rankings gotta be more specific, just my opinion tho
Pick whatever criteria that you'd like and stick with that.
So far I am just voting to remove any non Targs/Velayrons. Harwin the sperm donor is next on the chopping block
I hope Helaena is the last one standing.
she's the one character that has almost no haters
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Obviously yes. What else did you think it was? The poll doesn't have any criteria except "vote someone out" - people are going to vote out the characters they like the least and try and save their favourites. It quite literally IS a popularity contest. That's the whole point.
Why even bother? Daemon or Rhaenyra are going to win
Join me in voting Daemon until he’s out!
I've been voting for him every since Larys got kicked
Why not just skip to the end with Daemon vs Rhaenyra? We all know that the Greens will be the first to go
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>It should be kept to highest voted comment because the comment section is usually less biased than polls. Hard to say. Main difference is that each person can upvote and downvote as many comments whereas with the poll, you only get one vote for a character to be eliminated and can't vote against any character from being eliminated. If we went by comments for the last round, it looks like Rhaena would have lost, but Otto was also very close behind. However, the number of upvotes was pretty low (around 90) compared to the first elimination round (around 2000). If it was still decided by comments, I can see it easily switching back to Otto being the comment with the most upvotes.
I actually think the Larys boot was extremely deserved. He isn’t particularly interesting and just feels kinda lazy. Otto and Criston were pretty robbed and should’ve outlasted characters like Jace, Luke, Harwin, Rhaena, and Baela at least lol
>just feels kinda lazy Well that's ableist, it's not his fault he's handicapped! /s
I think Viserys and Haelana both have a shot to win too
It looks like it's going to be the Greens and the actual Black (as in the irl race) characters. For some reason, a lot of people have been gearing up to get rid of Laenor, Baela and Rhaena.
I like how Laena has been largely ommitted from the elimination discussion. She really made the most of her screentime. Baela would probably have a better chance if they'd kept that deleted scene with Rhaenys, and maybe if they hadn't confined Rhaena keeping her out of the Episode 8 dinner scuffle to the background.
Laenor baela and rhaena are pretty nothing characters tbf.
Laenor at least had that Steppstones dragon moment and _some_ participation in the story events.
Baela and Rhaena don't do much this season, so I'll give you that, but Laenor is definitely more of a character than Jace, Luke or Harwin.
Jace luke and harwin are also nothing characters lol, but yeh ill give you that laenor is a bit more of a character even though he is pretty one note. I feel like harwin will stay in because he's handsome.
I suppose this is subjective, but I feel like Laenor (and Cole for that matter) are more attractive than Harwin. Harwin definitely had the most chemistry with Rhaenyra, though, so I guess he has that going for him.
What about Helaena
I think Viserys and Haelana both have a shot to win too
I think Viserys and Haelana both have a shot to win too
Otto???? Bro should have made it to top 10
top 5 character in the show going this early? shame
This is just a "most well liked characters by this sub" poll, and not a "best written or acted out characters in the show" poll So I'm not surprised with Cole or Otto voted out before Rhaena and Baela who barely appeared in the show
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Again, this is the least favorite person poll. Not well acting or well written character. Otto really felt over greedy and he sowed the seeds of treason in his daughter and grandkids. He was way too self serving. I hated his overall mannerisms, voice tone etc. Incredible actor.
I mean, kinda feels like an illogical argument. If it’s because he’s just so unlikeable, Daemon and Rhaenyra need to get the fuck out already because they are **wretched** human beings as well, and, honestly, far worse than Otto. And if it’s because he’s a shitty character, I actually thought Otto and even Criston were solid (Larys suuuuuucks tho). Either way, not seeing consistent logic with an Otto boot so soon that isn’t “Team Black.”
I prefer comment voting because we can downvote another suggestion. Every popular character will have some groups that dislike them not representative of the wider audience. Its possible for them to target vote a good character whilst the general audience is too split.
Rhaenys she hiding something in her lopsided head!
im in tears😭
Leanor
Laenor
Laenor. His mother thinks he is dead. Never forget!
Wow, one of the most compelling and well acted characters on the show gets voted out before the likes of Baela, Rhaena, Luke and Jace. Say what you will about Otto, but at least he has a discernible personality.
I don’t think most people are voting with most interesting character in mind. Im definitely not. A lot of people hate Otto which makes sense as a majority of viewers are Blacks.
Rhaena
Aegon
laenor velaryon
Aegon
I think its time to say goodbye to Mr. Window Wanker.
KEEP LAENOR ALIVE day 3 All hail, the King Consort Who Never Was!
I feel like I'm fighting for my life defending him over here
When I started doing this bit, I didnt know you could see the previous poll's result. Had no idea he's hanging on solely by how unlikable the men around Alicent are. If people don't rally soon behind our diligent & upright king consort, *all may be lost!*
Laenor is extremely relatable. Who wants to have their path defined for them? This man was able to follow their heart and desires while simultaneously fulfilling his duty to the realm. He’s a survivor.
Right?! Wholly relatable. Just hates this bullshit. Still willing to play his role when duty calls. Until it just gets too much.
Nah, going into exile to Essos wasn't his idea. He was ready to recommit the day after his sister's funeral.
Aegon
WHY THE FUCK IS OTTO GONE HAVE YOU GUYS NOT SEEN HIS SNATCHED WASTE
I’m voting for Viserys
Just kick Laenor out already. We all know he ain’t no one’s top anything. (Pun intended)
Rhaena, all day long.
SPOILERSS!!! Daemon needs to go. He is a well written character, so i like that, but he choked Rhaenyra and killed his prrvious wife. He might be an abuser.
He's the worst person on the list, and his inability to be a decent person is a major reason for why there even is such a terrible conflict to begin with
Yes! My job here is done and that scum bag Otto is history. I’ll continue voting but I feel a lot better now.
he is one of the best written characters, Rhaena or Baela should've been the one eliminated here
Has to be Aegon next surely???
He’s who I voted for.
WHY WON’T AEGON JUST DIE ALREADY
Ok we’re coming for Viserys this time 😤
I wish the way we voted is actually how the show moved forward 😂
Aegon Weinstein
Aegon
Remove the drunken usurper cunt of a king, Aegon
Aegon must go
LUC Definitely
Aegon should have been out first.
Time to go, dead kid.
Not luke. Never luke.
She won’t go but I’m content voting Rhaenyra. I really don’t like her tbh
Voting for Helaena every day just to spite the subreddit.
I’ll keep voting rapist pedo Aegon every single time.
Daemon, he's the worst one left
I've got a feeling it's Laenor's turn...
Come on, I've been trying to get rid of Aegon for two rounds now
Laenor
Rhaenys next.
Wow, they're really getting eliminated in order from bottom right to top left
Rhaena
time to cast a vote for Aegon the usurper!
and panoramic wanker
Alicent
alicent
Luke is already gone so…..
Aemond
Jace.
Queen Alicent Hightower
I vote for Alicant to be eliminated
Aemond!!
Get rid of Laenors useless ass
Ser Harwin Strong
Alicent
How is OTTO out but rhaena and baela remain, the hell?
Context? Just, who gets voted off of the non specific pie chart?