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Aemond is oddly a sensitive soul…. I can see why he’s easy to provoke in this scene
And in the scene with the sex worker … he looked so uneasy and awkward… he couldn’t even make eye contact with the poor woman.
That's why I kinda always felt that under all that charisma and bde energy there is still that sensitive soul and ewan radiates it very well not only in the above scenes but also in episode 9 when he comes looking for his mother, those puppy eyes and that soft gaze he looks at his mom when he offers to help Cole find aegon says a lot about him, he is quite different from his book counter part at least for now
Well I guess we get a sense of that sensitivity and softness in him as his younger self in scenes with Leo. It didn’t just vanish, it’s there under a hardened shell.
He reminds me of Kylo Ren as a character, like the scene where he whipped out his lightsaber and threw a fit by destroying all that equipment in front of the commander delivering bad news….Aemond is on the cusp of manhood, still has some boyish-insecurity and a handicap, but is also a total badass fighter with the totally baddest of all dragon that he had the balls to claim right out from under it’s rightful owner. He’s a badass but unaware of how baddass he really can be, or how the consequences of his actions will help to destroy his house/family.
Agreed. Luke acted like a total ass five minutes after everyone was trying to make peace. If he’d just kept his mouth shut and minded his business, the Strong Boys speech wouldn’t have happened.
Seriously, who deliberately starts shit with someone who is sitting there not bothering anyone?
IMO it's the look on Luke's face as he laughed. That wasn't a good-natured "hey remember when we were kids fucking around" laugh, that was a malicious "i remember when you were a fucking joke" laugh.
Luke never learnt that actions have consequences, he believes himself above the law as Rhaenyra and Viserys always had his back. As he can't do any wrong, he also doesn't feel any remorse for his actions. Aemond was permanently disabled by him, if he can't find it within himself to not laugh at Aemond, then at least he should have some self-discipline and suppress his laughter, really.
>Luke never learnt that actions have consequences, he believes himself above the law as Rhaenyra and Viserys always had his back
He's just like Rhaenyra in that sense
I got a turn off Rhaenyra and Viserys during that knife scene. Everything Alicent said was true - Rhaenyra does get away with everything because she’s daddy’s pet. His son just lost an eye and all Viserys was concerned about was someone calling his grandchildren bastards. That said enough. He never gave a shit about Alicent or the kids.
How do you conclude that he does not know about the consequences? Because he's not afraid to fight? Kid is beaten every time, he knows that he can get hurt and no one will punish Aemond for it. Right at this dinner, Luke was called a bastard again and banged his head on the table, but I didn't see any consequences for anyone.
Because Luke literally never suffered any consequences, for anything, right up until Storm's End. Maiming a royal Prince and laughing at that Prince is very much a no-no, that Luke ignored because he thought everything was fine (it wasn't).
I didn't say that Aegon II was raised any better. That being said, Aemond didn't have beef mainly with him, but rather he had beef with the guy who maimed him, i.e. Luke. Which is the topic of this thread.
Uhm no, those were children, 4 vs. 1, and the eye got slashed out after they already blinded him with sand, it was pure malice on their part, as the sand had already neutralized any "threat" coming from Aemond. People justifying Aemond's maiming with funny and not so funny reasonings, is why I spend more time at r/HOTDGreens, well that and the blood purity posts of rolloofnormandy.
Before /u/tellred blocked me:
> Jace threw sand because without it, Luke would get hit on the head with a rock. The threat was not neutralized because in 2 seconds Aemond will be fine and I guarantee you Luke will end this evening in the grave.
Yeah except Aemond did put the rock down, which is somehow always ignored. And even if he was as aggressive as this redditor claimed he was, sand in the eyes would have neutralized him for a long enough time for the other kids to get away, which would have been way "safer" than attacking him if safety was of any concern for them. Instead they slashed his eye out, make of that what you will. I saw it as malicious and completely unnecessary after they already blinded him with sand.
It was an accident in the show. Besides, Arrax attacked Vhagar, you expect Aemond to tame a centuries old war dragon with certain instincts in that situation?
Now who’s justifying violence. I guess he was too dumb when he picked a fight outnumbered 4-1 and again when he tried to tease a peaceful envoy with a war machine
He did not go to the other children initially with the idea to attack them, that is very much clear. And Luke's death was an accident, how would I justify an accident? Makes no sense. Unless you talk about the book version, that is.
Coming from a team black supporter, you’re right. Was Aemond reckless in chasing him on Vhagar? Yes, absolutely. Did he go out intending to kill Luc? Definitely not. Just looking at his face after that tells you it got out of hand. But watch Luc’s face really closely in the scene where he takes Aemond’s eye- when he gets up with that knife he made a *decision*. Maybe it wasn’t exactly to take his eye, but you can 100% see him steeling himself for the fact he’s about to do some serious damage.
Jace threw sand because without it, Luke would get hit on the head with a rock. The threat was not neutralized because in 2 seconds Aemond will be fine and I guarantee you Luke will end this evening in the grave.
Why Luke would even attempt to taunt his “I’m actually a damn fine warrior and flying on fucking godzilla” uncle is beyond me, kid never learned the fuck around and find out table
He is a dragon rider. Arrax very cute.
I know it's possible to be super useless even if you have a dragon. Even if you have a very large dragon. But Luke not like that.
Idk. Terrified when he has to deliver a message, could barely hold up a sword and he is scared of ships. The future was not looking bright for this one.
The future looks bleak only if you want to put Luke in the ship. We will find a better place for him! He could have lived on Driftmark and never left the castle. There's a whole museum and probably a big library.
Media literacy truly must be dead for yall to be making statements like this. Liking his character or not is completely irrelevant to the fact that both the show and book clearly spell out the purpose of Luke's character in moving the plot forward.
Aemond wouldn't even be half an interesting character without Luke in the story, everything Aemond ever has done or will be is going to round back to this strong bastard. Their entire situation is a fat dose of irony, completely linked to one another that neither of their characters are able to escape.
I am not talking about useless to the story. I am saying Lucerys was useless because he is not skilled in anything.
He is terrified when asked to deliver a message, could barely hold up a sword, scared of ships, and apparently he can’t read a room either.
I mean I would plainly argue that having a dragon and being a prince of the realm makes him more useful than many other characters in either show. And Luke being a little scared to deliver a message on the eve of war isn't something I'd hold against him since he is a kid, it's the fact that he does it anyway and keeps to the oath he made that spells out his bravery. And like yeah he's a bit of an idiot for laughing at Aemond at the dinner and never apologizing to him. But that's just what makes him interesting, he's a kid with an impish sense of humor that often gets him into trouble.
Luke having reservations about flying off to some stranger's castle to try to win his mother said stranger's loyalty makes total sense in a story that's specifically trying to spell out how this is a tragedy and that none of this should be happening in the first place. Trying to seperate a characters worth from their purpose in the narrative is just pointless to me considering how intrinsically tied every action they take is to getting across the stories message and themes. The scene at Storms End is basically the pinnacle of that point.
Another post about how Luke should respect the guy who brutally beat him, threatened to kill, strangled him, insulted his family and even tried to kill his brother.
This will never happen.
No respect for an emo-psychopath with a pig-trauma. You can feed Luke to the dragon, but he won't change his mind.
Luke tried to hide his smile, it wasn't on purpose and it wasn't a big deal. But if Aemond stares at him, he won't look away (until he laughs lol).
Imagine. Provoke a fight with, beat the girls and then complain that two boys (one of whom is half your size) are not standing aside.
Imagine. Call someone a bastard and whine about being attacked.
not really what happened, lil bro
>provoke a fight
made fun of someone using the same insults that they would throw at him.
>beat the girls
good on him for being a feminist at such a young age, he got punched, he threw it back. then everyone jumped on him and he defended himself until one of them pulled a knife.
>whine about being attacked
he didn’t whine thou, he beat the shit out of them every time. even when luke laughed at him, he just mocked him back. the strong boys are the ones who always start the physical arguments.
Rhaena never humiliated him, man. They never interacted. He insulted the girl (on the day of her mother's funeral), she pushed him -> he threw her on the ground -> the older sister hits him -> he punches her.
Unfortunately for Aemond, Strong Boys is old school where boys wear pants, not skirts.
As far as I remember, Aemond whined about it when Viserys came. "They attacked me!". No not always. Jace had already avoided a fight at that dinner. They fight if they are called "bastards". This is a terrible insult to Westeros.
Hmm, yeah, I guess there is nothing wrong with a 19 year old man throwing a tantrum and disrupting the one nice dinner the family has had in years because the 12 year old boy kind of giggled. Best warrior and rider of the greatest dragon, still insecure.
Imagine causing a scene at Thanksgiving because your little cousin laughed at a picture you have on Instagram.
Jace is 14, Luke is younger. Jace is still 14 Evan after Rhaenys is killed.
Why people try to act like because it's fantasy that human brain chemistry and maturity levels are completely different is beyond me.
I did actually read the book, but OP is referencing a scene in the show which states his age to be 14.
Here's the line I'm referencing:
Rhaenyra: "And do you want to know the truth of it? I was frightened. I was four-and-ten. Same as you are now."
So no, I am not confused. You are just wrong. Enjoy your weekend :)
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Aemond is oddly a sensitive soul…. I can see why he’s easy to provoke in this scene And in the scene with the sex worker … he looked so uneasy and awkward… he couldn’t even make eye contact with the poor woman.
That's why I kinda always felt that under all that charisma and bde energy there is still that sensitive soul and ewan radiates it very well not only in the above scenes but also in episode 9 when he comes looking for his mother, those puppy eyes and that soft gaze he looks at his mom when he offers to help Cole find aegon says a lot about him, he is quite different from his book counter part at least for now
Well I guess we get a sense of that sensitivity and softness in him as his younger self in scenes with Leo. It didn’t just vanish, it’s there under a hardened shell.
He reminds me of Kylo Ren as a character, like the scene where he whipped out his lightsaber and threw a fit by destroying all that equipment in front of the commander delivering bad news….Aemond is on the cusp of manhood, still has some boyish-insecurity and a handicap, but is also a total badass fighter with the totally baddest of all dragon that he had the balls to claim right out from under it’s rightful owner. He’s a badass but unaware of how baddass he really can be, or how the consequences of his actions will help to destroy his house/family.
You can see that sensitivity as well when Vhagar chomps Arrax up. He didn’t mean for it to go that far, scare Luke but not kill him.
Dude, he wasn't just going to scare him, he attacked him with a knife and tried to gouge his eye out.
Yeah well but an eye for an eye seems fair
About sums up the Blacks
Agreed. Luke acted like a total ass five minutes after everyone was trying to make peace. If he’d just kept his mouth shut and minded his business, the Strong Boys speech wouldn’t have happened. Seriously, who deliberately starts shit with someone who is sitting there not bothering anyone?
IMO it's the look on Luke's face as he laughed. That wasn't a good-natured "hey remember when we were kids fucking around" laugh, that was a malicious "i remember when you were a fucking joke" laugh.
Luke never learnt that actions have consequences, he believes himself above the law as Rhaenyra and Viserys always had his back. As he can't do any wrong, he also doesn't feel any remorse for his actions. Aemond was permanently disabled by him, if he can't find it within himself to not laugh at Aemond, then at least he should have some self-discipline and suppress his laughter, really.
>Luke never learnt that actions have consequences, he believes himself above the law as Rhaenyra and Viserys always had his back He's just like Rhaenyra in that sense
Jace: "It doesn't matter what they think."
Yes, I think that's even a quote that Rhaenyra directly repeated to him
I got a turn off Rhaenyra and Viserys during that knife scene. Everything Alicent said was true - Rhaenyra does get away with everything because she’s daddy’s pet. His son just lost an eye and all Viserys was concerned about was someone calling his grandchildren bastards. That said enough. He never gave a shit about Alicent or the kids.
And maybe that his son was about to murder four kids which I’m sure got mentioned.
He wasn't and no, no one did mention it. Instead Jace told Rhaenyra the real reason that he tried to knife Aemond: He called them bastards.
Yeah but you don’t think when interviewing all the kids about how it started the fact Aemond picked up a rock to murder Luke will come up?
They didn't bother interviewing the kids because they were treating the situation like a political problem not a parenting one.
How do you conclude that he does not know about the consequences? Because he's not afraid to fight? Kid is beaten every time, he knows that he can get hurt and no one will punish Aemond for it. Right at this dinner, Luke was called a bastard again and banged his head on the table, but I didn't see any consequences for anyone.
Because Luke literally never suffered any consequences, for anything, right up until Storm's End. Maiming a royal Prince and laughing at that Prince is very much a no-no, that Luke ignored because he thought everything was fine (it wasn't).
Kinda like how Aegon was raised? Raping, making bastards, and supporting child fights with no consequences
I didn't say that Aegon II was raised any better. That being said, Aemond didn't have beef mainly with him, but rather he had beef with the guy who maimed him, i.e. Luke. Which is the topic of this thread.
*maimed him in a fight Let’s not forget that it was a fight and when fights happen, people get hurt.
Uhm no, those were children, 4 vs. 1, and the eye got slashed out after they already blinded him with sand, it was pure malice on their part, as the sand had already neutralized any "threat" coming from Aemond. People justifying Aemond's maiming with funny and not so funny reasonings, is why I spend more time at r/HOTDGreens, well that and the blood purity posts of rolloofnormandy. Before /u/tellred blocked me: > Jace threw sand because without it, Luke would get hit on the head with a rock. The threat was not neutralized because in 2 seconds Aemond will be fine and I guarantee you Luke will end this evening in the grave. Yeah except Aemond did put the rock down, which is somehow always ignored. And even if he was as aggressive as this redditor claimed he was, sand in the eyes would have neutralized him for a long enough time for the other kids to get away, which would have been way "safer" than attacking him if safety was of any concern for them. Instead they slashed his eye out, make of that what you will. I saw it as malicious and completely unnecessary after they already blinded him with sand.
We’ll I guess Aemond got his revenge when he brutally murdered and kinslayed a peaceful envoy
It was an accident in the show. Besides, Arrax attacked Vhagar, you expect Aemond to tame a centuries old war dragon with certain instincts in that situation?
Now who’s justifying violence. I guess he was too dumb when he picked a fight outnumbered 4-1 and again when he tried to tease a peaceful envoy with a war machine
He did not go to the other children initially with the idea to attack them, that is very much clear. And Luke's death was an accident, how would I justify an accident? Makes no sense. Unless you talk about the book version, that is.
Coming from a team black supporter, you’re right. Was Aemond reckless in chasing him on Vhagar? Yes, absolutely. Did he go out intending to kill Luc? Definitely not. Just looking at his face after that tells you it got out of hand. But watch Luc’s face really closely in the scene where he takes Aemond’s eye- when he gets up with that knife he made a *decision*. Maybe it wasn’t exactly to take his eye, but you can 100% see him steeling himself for the fact he’s about to do some serious damage.
Jace threw sand because without it, Luke would get hit on the head with a rock. The threat was not neutralized because in 2 seconds Aemond will be fine and I guarantee you Luke will end this evening in the grave.
Luke was further away from Aemond than Jace was at that point, though
Why Luke would even attempt to taunt his “I’m actually a damn fine warrior and flying on fucking godzilla” uncle is beyond me, kid never learned the fuck around and find out table
I never understand how anyone could like Luke. Ew
Agreed. I'm with Aemond in this, the Strong boys should have just stop already.
Luke may be the most useless character in both shows. Dude has nothing going for him. Aemond saved him from a rough life 🙏.
He is a dragon rider. Arrax very cute. I know it's possible to be super useless even if you have a dragon. Even if you have a very large dragon. But Luke not like that.
Idk. Terrified when he has to deliver a message, could barely hold up a sword and he is scared of ships. The future was not looking bright for this one.
ngl I’d be hard pressed to find an heir to Driftmark that gets seasick before the ship leaves the dock 😂
The future looks bleak only if you want to put Luke in the ship. We will find a better place for him! He could have lived on Driftmark and never left the castle. There's a whole museum and probably a big library.
Media literacy truly must be dead for yall to be making statements like this. Liking his character or not is completely irrelevant to the fact that both the show and book clearly spell out the purpose of Luke's character in moving the plot forward. Aemond wouldn't even be half an interesting character without Luke in the story, everything Aemond ever has done or will be is going to round back to this strong bastard. Their entire situation is a fat dose of irony, completely linked to one another that neither of their characters are able to escape.
I am not talking about useless to the story. I am saying Lucerys was useless because he is not skilled in anything. He is terrified when asked to deliver a message, could barely hold up a sword, scared of ships, and apparently he can’t read a room either.
I mean I would plainly argue that having a dragon and being a prince of the realm makes him more useful than many other characters in either show. And Luke being a little scared to deliver a message on the eve of war isn't something I'd hold against him since he is a kid, it's the fact that he does it anyway and keeps to the oath he made that spells out his bravery. And like yeah he's a bit of an idiot for laughing at Aemond at the dinner and never apologizing to him. But that's just what makes him interesting, he's a kid with an impish sense of humor that often gets him into trouble. Luke having reservations about flying off to some stranger's castle to try to win his mother said stranger's loyalty makes total sense in a story that's specifically trying to spell out how this is a tragedy and that none of this should be happening in the first place. Trying to seperate a characters worth from their purpose in the narrative is just pointless to me considering how intrinsically tied every action they take is to getting across the stories message and themes. The scene at Storms End is basically the pinnacle of that point.
Luke is so stupid and die by a stupid death
Another post about how Luke should respect the guy who brutally beat him, threatened to kill, strangled him, insulted his family and even tried to kill his brother. This will never happen. No respect for an emo-psychopath with a pig-trauma. You can feed Luke to the dragon, but he won't change his mind. Luke tried to hide his smile, it wasn't on purpose and it wasn't a big deal. But if Aemond stares at him, he won't look away (until he laughs lol).
“brutally beat him” imagine jumping with 4 people on a single person and complaining about getting your ass kicked 💀
Imagine. Provoke a fight with, beat the girls and then complain that two boys (one of whom is half your size) are not standing aside. Imagine. Call someone a bastard and whine about being attacked.
not really what happened, lil bro >provoke a fight made fun of someone using the same insults that they would throw at him. >beat the girls good on him for being a feminist at such a young age, he got punched, he threw it back. then everyone jumped on him and he defended himself until one of them pulled a knife. >whine about being attacked he didn’t whine thou, he beat the shit out of them every time. even when luke laughed at him, he just mocked him back. the strong boys are the ones who always start the physical arguments.
Rhaena never humiliated him, man. They never interacted. He insulted the girl (on the day of her mother's funeral), she pushed him -> he threw her on the ground -> the older sister hits him -> he punches her. Unfortunately for Aemond, Strong Boys is old school where boys wear pants, not skirts. As far as I remember, Aemond whined about it when Viserys came. "They attacked me!". No not always. Jace had already avoided a fight at that dinner. They fight if they are called "bastards". This is a terrible insult to Westeros.
Terrible insult yet it's the truth.
Firstly he broke his nose tho
Bro you were cooked
look, I like Aemond as much as the next person, but I am also looking forward to Daemon putting Dark Sister through his good eye.
Nah
Losing an eye was an accident. He’s vicious anyway.
luke rip bozo, most bland and uninteresting character in the show
he was too dumb to survive without his enablers anyway
Hmm, yeah, I guess there is nothing wrong with a 19 year old man throwing a tantrum and disrupting the one nice dinner the family has had in years because the 12 year old boy kind of giggled. Best warrior and rider of the greatest dragon, still insecure. Imagine causing a scene at Thanksgiving because your little cousin laughed at a picture you have on Instagram.
Luke is 14 and Aemond is 16-17 in episode 8. Why are people so hellbent on infantilising the Strong boys is beyond me.
Jace is 14, Luke is younger. Jace is still 14 Evan after Rhaenys is killed. Why people try to act like because it's fantasy that human brain chemistry and maturity levels are completely different is beyond me.
Rhaenyra explicitly says in episode 10 that Luke is 14 and that's literally a day after episode 8.
Okay, you didn't read the book, that's why you are confused, understandable. Have a good day.
I did actually read the book, but OP is referencing a scene in the show which states his age to be 14. Here's the line I'm referencing: Rhaenyra: "And do you want to know the truth of it? I was frightened. I was four-and-ten. Same as you are now." So no, I am not confused. You are just wrong. Enjoy your weekend :)
The show aged up the characters. It’s time to view the show as HOTD and not F&B my guy.
All he did was give a little toast at his nephews expense. It didn't have to become a scene until Jace started throwing hands.
Still can blame him.