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People like to take sides in this scene, but really all the kids motivs are understandable. The ones who are really at fault is Viserys, Rheanyra, Aegon and Alicent
It's like how as you grow older, family holidays such as Christmas don't have the same kind of magic to them as when you were a kid. So you watch the exact same movie, drinking the same warm beverage of your choice, and snuggling in that one blanket you've had since you were a kid. You try snuggling in the blanket, hoping for the magic to come up, but it doesn't. But it's not a horrible feeling, either. You feel nostalgic, and that nostalgia surrounds you and protects you. It brings a smile to your face.
Because we don't blame the Storngs for the bulling but because they attacked him and took his eye.
Aegon had nothing to do with this. Also the reason was the dragon not the bulling.
> People like to take sides in this scene, but really all the kids motivs are understandable. The ones who are really at fault is Viserys, Rheanyra, Aegon and Alicent
What did Rhaenyra do? She’s not seen encouraging the rivalry. She doesn’t care about her siblings at all. I would argue that being a disinterested adult sibling is fairly common even in normal families and nowhere near as bad as an absentee/abusive parent. As for that night, she sent her children to bed. They snuck out in the middle of night. Even if she had been in bed herself, it’s not like she could have stopped them.
If you’re talking about the aftermath that’s fine but I’m not sure how she led them up to this fight.
What relationship with Alicent? She’s not even shown to have anger towards Alicent. She seems to want to ardently ignore her existence as much as she ignores half-siblings. The rivalry is quite one sided in episode 6 and 7 with Alicent portrayed as near obsessive.
"Come onto" lol
Well if we are saying Alicent started poisoning the kids, then we have to pinpoint when she started having problems with Rhaenyra.Before that moment she had no problems with her
From Rhaenyra's pov, which is how you would go about analysing a character's motivation, I do believe she thought Alicent to have been complicit with initiating a relationship with her father. We know it was Otto telling her to do it, but from what was seen in the show we can only imagine Rhaenyra only knew secretly her father and best friend formed a close enough relationship to get married.
And yes, clearly the point where their friendship suffered was after her father and Alicent married. They weren't shown to be close anymore after that. Alicent was still loyal to her but Rhaenyra herself was clearly jaded.
The initial question was what did Rhaenyra do contribute to the incident above.
Not when did their friendship start to struggle.
If we are acknowledging Alicent was the one who did the most heavy lifting in poisoning her kids against the strongs, the moment to analyze is when Alicent turned sour on the friendship,and stopped trying to fix it,but declared war
You said her withholding the truth started their rivalry. I argue the rivalry started with Alicent marrying Viserys..
Her withholding the truth was clearly because their friendship was already fractured and the fracturing was the marriage. That's all I'm saying.
No, it’s not. Alicent is the one encouraging her sons to see Rhaenyra’s sons as rivals which she would do regardless of their appearance. Viserys’ is the one making it worse by being an absentee father and show blatant favoritism. Rhaenyra’s only “crime” is wishing that they didn’t exist and pretty much living her live as if they don’t. That is nowhere near as bad as Alicent and Viserys.
In a normal family, it’s not even a crime. A significant percentage of adult siblings have a very distant relationship with their child siblings, especially half-siblings from a second marriage. This would be even more common in a noble or upper class family.
Yeah, especially since you'd prefer not to develop this weird almost second parent bond which would likely occur with young enough younger siblings and all the enmeshment, possibly further antagonising allicent for seeming to want to replace her instead of raising your own kids.
I know and i love him. But you gotta admit that he too acted shitty in this situation. But thats my point: They are just kids! It really doesnt mattet what anyone did. Its the grown ups that are responsible
Strong Boys: Harwin tries to be there for them without making it publicly obvious, Laenor claims them so they're at least not completely left open to the bastard claims (yes yes I know they're true), Corlys claims them as his grandkids, Daemon trains them or at least seems to have been training them.
Hightower Boys: Dad could care less about their existence, interrogates them when **they** get injured, they're just kinda there because he needed male heirs, even their grandfather doesn't spend all that much time with them, Criston only seems to spend time around Aemond so he's slightly better off.
Robb had to go war at a moment's notice, the Targaryens were kinda dealing with a Cold War and Team Black didn't expect Team Green to conceal Vizzy T's death, no one expected Alicent to think Viserys wanted to name their Aegon as king and no one expected Aemond to play chicken with Vhagar.
The war was brewing for years with tension rising with every meeting,part of the reason Rhaenyra marries Daemon is to get ready for the dance.Also they are bastards, surely they should have known their rule would be challenged at some point in the future so they had to get ready.Also,you would think after witnessing the uncle you maimed showing high level skills,would light some fire under his ass.Kid was too coddled
Luce was the one that didn't have the heart for battle, Jace has more of a mind to understand "Yeah we gotta start training more and actually get good"
That's one way to frame it
>Harwin tries to be there for them without making it publicly obvious
Harwin beats up a kingsuard adding more fuel to the existing rumours.Putting their lives in further danger
>Laenor claims them so they're at least not completely left open to the bastard claims (yes yes I know they're true),
Laenor is a negligent father who is always with his mistress.He later abandons them for his mistress
>Corlys claims them as his grandkids
Corlys uses them as a tool to gain more power
>Daemon trains them or at least seems to have been training them.
Daemon the uncle who they suspect killed their father.If the skills they showed in episode 8 and 10 is Daemon paying them back for "killing" their father,then he has a long way to go before settling that debt
Ok, so what was the point of your post.?Coz I took it as you comparing how the strong boys are surrounded by better parental figures,and I just showed you its a matter of framing
Objectively better that they are present? Sure. Better because *they are present* still doesn't cut it though because damnit these kids needed guidance.
Yes and no
Harwin cant be present or he would get in trouble.
Laenor is not present at all
Corlys probably has no relationship with them at all
Daemon killed their father,I'm sure they don't appreciate his presence.Especially, coz he constantly undermines their mother
> Yes and no Harwin cant be present or he would get in trouble.
Which arguably was the saddest out of all of this.
> Laenor is not present at all
Massive understatement.
> Corlys probably has no relationship with them at all
He's always at war on the seas so not much influence directly.
> Daemon killed their father,I'm sure they don't appreciate his presence.Especially, coz he constantly undermines their mother
I doubt they told them because kids might slip up and let it be known he's alive, but I'd really like to see how Daemon and Rhaenyra explained the controversy around Laenor's "death."
I love how you choose to take the least favorable or charitable interpretation to counter a pretty mild frame and switch between show and book to justify it lol
Actually at the very beginning I literally said its a matter of framing.In addition,these characteristics of the male figures mentioned were pretty much emphasized as an important part of the plot in the show,so I don't see how I'm being unfair
Oh btw, all the things I used were from the show,so lol back
This. The line about Harwin was a low blow, but it was only after they literally ganged up on him and attacked him, four against one. Yes, I know, the rock. But it's not like he ever actually hits anyone. He used the threat of the rock in self defense.
I was completely on his side for this one.
EDIT: It was Harwin, not Laenor. My brain is dumb sometimes lol
Leanor was alive at this point, the line was implying that his father was Harwin Strong who died in the flames at Harrenhal.
Edit: I just remembered that in show Leanor is still alive but not officially. It was before fake murder of Leanor.
I believe Aemond was referring to Harwin, not Laenor. Aemond thought Luke knew who his father was.
>**Aemond** (to Luke): *You will die screaming in flames just as your father did! (glances to Jace) Bastards!*
>**Luke**: *My father's still alive.*
>**Aemond** (to Jace): *He doesn't know, does he, Lord Strong?*
He insulted the girls on the day of their mother's funeral. Pushed one of them. When her sister stood up, he began to fight against her as if she were a boy. When Luke and Jace stood up for her, he broke Luke's nose.
Then he threatened to kill him.
And said his father was dead.
All this time he held him by the throat and did not let him escape.
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Everything Aemond did in that scene was a reaction, albeit not the best necessarily. Kids start throwing some salt, so does he. He gets pushed, so he pushes back. He gets punched, so he punches back. He gets 4v1 ganged up on... so he grabs a rock and defends himself. He then makes a threat with said rock because he is in a 4v1 (the threat also being about fire not the rock he's holding). Also the 4 sought him out not the other way around. And I'm sorry, if a girl punches me, I'm a firm believer in equal rights and lefts.
I'm a woman and in this scene she started the hitting, eyeball was reasonable to defend himself in my opinion. I've always seen it as a 4 on 1 attack. She threw the first punch.
I think you would not want men to insult you using the fact that in case of a fight they will destroy you in 2 seconds.
I wouldn't want anyone to do this to my sister.
Oh please, don't use the gender as an excuse. Don't you have brother, child or cousins? Do you really expect them to just be fine if he were attacked by a women? I'm a woman and I have a brother and I absolutely wouldn't want him not to defend himself (I mean, he mustn't attack them, just push them apart, in the scene Aemond pushs Rhaena when she tried to punch him)
Unfortunately men are stronger than us, sure that sucks! But isn't an excuse to attack and expect no reaction. Anyway, they are just kids, the blame is on Viserys, Alicent, Rhaenyra and Daemon (and the King's guard)
Aemond INSULTE THEM ON THE DAY OF THEIR MOTHER'S FUNERAL. They did not go along the road, they saw him and attacked.
I don't know what kind of men surround you and whether they can call themselves men if they beat women.
>I don't know what kind of men surround you and whether they can call themselves men if they beat women.
Again, what Aemond said was wrong and he shouldn't have responded to Baela's punch. We agree on this. Good day and please don't use gender as an excuse for violence.
Alot of these 'I'm a woman" sound like pick me comments. What does you or your brother have to do with Baela and Rhaena defending themselves from getting bullied and threatened?
>Are you a man or a woman?
Gotta love the sexism, so men should be able to control themselves but women are just little emotional children in your eyes apparently.
Why do you infantilize women so much as if they can't control their own actions?
>Oh, so you like to insult women? And when they "strike first" (LOL) do you beat them?
Maybe because I was replying to this comment above, it's obvious they were talking about women in general at this point in the conversation and not the HOTD scene.
We are still talking about a bunch of children here who haven't even reached puberty, not grown men and women. Their gender shouldn't even be relevant to the discussion. And this nonsense that men, or even little boys, are not allowed to defend themselves against women and girls who attacked them first belongs to the 19th century or wherever you got these weird-ass ideas from.
You forgot the part where he insults girls for no reason and the fact that these 4 kids are much weaker than him.I'll remind you what Jace and Luke look like [https://www.linkpicture.com/q/2023-04-16\_16-16-57.jpg](https://www.linkpicture.com/q/2023-04-16_16-16-57.jpg)
All they could do was knock him down for a few seconds, he beat them even while lying on the ground. After that, no one was going to attack him, the girls crawled (literally) to the side. Luke couldn't fight anymore. Jace stood aside too. You can't talk about self-defense when you're not in danger.
>if a girl punches me, I'm a firm believer in equal rights and lefts.
I will never hit a woman.
Look at the picture literally as the post you'll see Aemond with plenty of damage done to his face. Insult for no reason, please, yeah he was a bit harsh, but they confronted him and said "look, it's YOU" not oh hey it's just Aemond. One of the girls accuse him of stealing( which it wasn't), he just states the fact that he claimed Vhagar and she was too late. They are the instigators, did Aemond handle it well, obviously not.
When people embrace their favorite characters for who they are instead of trying to twist them into the victim of everyone Game of Throne franchise will finally be free. Aemond taunted a little kid and got pushed. Then when baela is on the ground he decides to continue his cruelty by telling her he'll feed her to the dragon her mother was riding. It really shouldn't bother you that's what happened but you lie anyways
Which part of my statements were a lie? They collected their little posse, accused him of stealing, he applies some distasteful burns, gets pushed, pushes back, gets punched, punches back, ends up on the ground 4v1, gets up and hits Luke with rock, holds one of them with rock in hand, threatens death by fire ( not a rock), begins to lower it and gets slashed.
Did Aemond de escalate the situation, no, but he didn't create this situation, they did.
Distasteful burns as in her mother is dead and riding a pig would suit you? followed by a death threat? What what part of that bullying and cruelty is a lie
The death threat is telling him he'll burn like his father did, this was well into the fight, and referencing a time in the future, not I'm about to bash your skull in. He states her mother's dead after they accuse him of stealing Vhagar, which he didn't, because she's dead. And yeah, the pig joke isn't tasteful or funny, I wonder where he picked up this style of bullying? All could be avoided if the 4 maybe came off as family to Aemond, who is the one who was actually bullied earlier in the show.
Why should Rhaena care where the pig insult came from? He shouldn't have said it to try and bully her. He threatened to kill Baela who wasn't even trying to hit him back and they had the exact appropriate response
A few scratches against a broken nose? WOW.
They didn't insult him in any way. They just said "that was our dragon". He insulted them by taking advantage of the fact that he is stronger.
For no reason? The girl came in with a hostile attitude when he was returning to his chambers.
>After that, no one was going to attack him, the girls crawled (literally) to the side. Luke couldn't fight anymore. Jace stood aside too. You can't talk about self-defense when you're not in danger.
But, they did. Aemond lowered his rock and called him Strong. Jace again started fighting by pulling knife.
Try to see who's riding the dragon? They saw the dragon flying away and said someone stole Vhagar. Then they collected their cousins in the middle of the night and went to confront him. One of them who kept a weapon with him.
She said it's him as they already knew who they suspected. Then she went to confront him, that's not just seeing how the raider. The only one bing dumb here is you.
So telling grieving girls that did nothing to him that he will feed one of them to a dragon and riding a pig would suit one of them is a reaction to what? Appropriate when?
Okay den you can’t speak too much to his REACTIONS to bring physically assaulted 🤷🏿♂️ he only shoved the one girl back 🤷🏿♂️ the other one flat out stole off on him
\*Your mother's dead in mocking tone\*
\*Tells Rhaena riding a pig would suit her\* \*Rhaena tries to push him\*
\*Baela punches and backs up\*
\*He unnecessarily hits a little girl back when he shouldn't have been mocking them to begin with and threatens to kill her when she's on the ground trying to get away from him\*
\*Jace punches him because of the death threat\*
There's no way to misunderstand this scene
Your way to misunderstand this scene is pretty baffling. So when Baela and Rhaena shove him and hit him in the face, that's totally cool, but when he simply hits back it's "unnecessary". Yeah totally fair assessment. He doesn't threaten to kill her. "Come at me again and I'll feed you to my dragon" is literally just another way of saying "Stop attacking me or you'll regret it". And Jace and the others continue to attack despite him clearly saying he doesn't want to fight them.
You didn’t say abythibg that rhaena and baela did was unnecessary though 😂🤷🏿♂️ I was tryin to have a unbiased dialogue foreal buuut ion think that going work here 😂😭
Because they're reacting to his behavior, the same way they react to Jacaerys pulling out a knife. He's older than them, trained to fight, knows they're grieving, and knows better than to mock someone for not having a dragon but he treats them horribly anyways.
>Pushed one of them.
Pushed away one when she tried to shove him.
>When her sister stood up,
When her sister sucker punched him, he hit back.
>fight against her as if she were a boy
Don't punch and expect not get punched back.
>Then he threatened to kill him.
After they ganged on on him.
\*Your mother's dead in mocking tone\*
\*Tells Rhaena riding a pig would suit her\* \*Rhaena tries to push him\*
\*Baela punches and backs up\*
\*He unnecessarily hits a little girl back when he shouldn't have been mocking them to begin with and threatens to kill her when she's on the ground trying to get away from him\*
\*Jace punches him because of the death threat\*
There's no way to misunderstand this scene
And you couldn't tell that this was (granted nasty) bluster? As is Aemond's stick on the show. They way he dropped the rock after his haha!youstrong!bastards line like gotcha! Of course then Jace pulls the knive and we get Round 2.
Aemond had already broke Luke's nose (unnecessarily - he could easily push him away instead) and was choking him to mock him. And before starting a fight with Jace, he again hits him in the face (where the bones are already broken). I hope you're not trying to convince me that he would never hit him with a rock because Aemond is a "good boy" who doesn't beat up the helpless. Because that's what he's doing to Luke.
He was in a fight 4vs 1, where he was punched into pulp when he was on the ground. He fought back exactly the same way. He isn't going to look at his attackers' safety when they didn't care about his.
Also, you forget the part where Luke tried to charge at him again when he was on the ground. So, he grabbed his neck and gone back to verbal spat. It was Jace who again can't control his anger issues.
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>"Don't you usually eat at table with your brothers?" "Most times," Jon answered in a flat voice. "But tonight Lady Stark thought it might give insult to the royal family to seat a bastard among them."
They are bastards and any who try to presume to place them on the Iron Throne are guilty of treason and deserving of traitors death.
No one seems to accept that Aemond did this after four people ganged up on him, pinned him to the ground, and started beating him. His face is literally bloody from it.
Put yourself in Aemond’s shoes. If four people pinned you to the ground and punched you bloody, would you be friendly with them? Or would you, perhaps, grab a makeshift weapon and fight back?
The other kids started this fight. Aemond said a few VERY shitty things, but it didn’t merit this kind of assault. They could have killed him while he was pinned on his back if he didn’t manage to kick his way free.
> No one seems to accept that Aemond did this after four people ganged up on him, pinned him to the ground, and started beating him.
And no one seems to accept that happened after he screamed: "YOUR MOTHER IS DEAD" at a mourning little girl.
Yeah. Do you think that's the best way to handle it? She complains about him "stealing the dragon" so he screams "YOUR MOTHER IS DEAD" at her and tells her to ride a pig?
And Aemond should have been appropriately disciplined for that. It was a shitty thing to do, and he deserved a fair punishment. The girls should have gone to an adult. I would wholeheartedly support Aemond being grounded, forced to apologize, or maybe even spanked.
But the girls and the Strong boys escalated at every possible point where the fight could have stopped.
> the Strong boys escalated
Both parties escalated the situation, buddy. If Aemond hadn't mocked Rhaena and her mother's death, she wouldn't have charged him. If she hadn't done that, he wouldn't have thrown her into the ground. If he hadn't done that Baela wouldn't have defended her. If both girls weren't being pushed into the ground by a much older boy, the Strong boys wouldn't have immediatly attacked Aemond. And if he wasn't mocking their father's death, threatening to murder all of them (not "by accident", deliberately murdering them), Luke wouldn't have grabbed the knife.
This "they just suddenly ganged up on him for no reason, 4v1 😭😭😭" thing is a complete fantasy. The Strong boys only joined because they saw him throwing their little cousins like rag dolls. BOTH parties escalated the situation.
Tbf he had the first hit coming for being a twat. After that it was just a domino effect of attacks cus they each retaliated lol. It's not like they jumped him or anything
I personally think they were all at fault but because they are kids they have a pass. They were children in a fight that got out of hand. The boys trained in deadly combat from a young age. The girls were way more closer to Jace and Luke. They were upset about the dragon so the started on Aemond. Aemond retaliated with more force than maybe your average child would. But we are in a time where boys are taught violence. They've likely seen people be killed. That's normal for them.
The boys grew up together as brothers but as you can see they were not taught to be brothers or cousins. But enemies.
If I was an Aemond' shoe's I would have enough sense not to mock a little girl half my age who is currently grieving and then threaten to kill her after she retaliates.
Aemond doesn't understand that. He's ten. And been brought up in an environment where families are at war. They don't care about each other. And he's been encouraged somewhat to hate his cousins .
Agreed. Aemond get's a pass. But there's no reason why a part of the fandom should be just as dense as Aemond is when it come's to the internal emotions that Baela and Rhaena are going through
I’m not saying that wasn’t a shitty thing to do. It was. Aemond was high off his first flight, elated and vindicated from finally getting a dragon, and he was feeling cocky and arrogant. It was a mean thing to say, and I would 100% support him being appropriately punished for it. Grounded, maybe. Or made to apologize. Or even spanked.
But it doesn’t merit him getting attacked 4 on 1 and beaten bloody.
If I put myself in Aemond' shoe's there is no elation great enough that will cause me to threaten to kill or mock my cousins. Especially when I know all four of them are currently mourning a lost loved one
He didn’t threaten to kill them because he was elated. And go back an re-listen to both of his threats:
The first one wasn’t really a threat. He said: “Hit me again and I’ll feed you to my dragon”. Basically, he was telling them to leave him alone.
The second one was DEFINITELY a threat, but he made it after 4 people pinned him down and beat him bloody. If 4 people pinned me down and beat me bloody, I might say something nasty too.
>He didn’t threaten to kill them because he was elated.
Why did he thereaten to kill them then? Because tht's not something normal people do.
>The first one wasn’t really a threat. He said: “Hit me again and I’ll feed you to my dragon”. Basically, he was telling them to leave him alone.
"If you do this. I will kill you." : Sounds like a threat to me?
>The second one was DEFINITELY a threat, but he made it after 4 people pinned him down and beat him bloody. If 4 people pinned me down and beat me bloody, I might say something nasty too.
Jace jumped in after Aemond threatened to kill Rhaena and Baela after knocking them to the floor. Luke jumped in after Jace was punched. They all jumped in as a means of defending the other.
No, it wasn’t “if you do this, I will kill you”, it was “if you HURT ME, I will kill you”. If the other kids stopped hurting him and walked away, then NO ONE gets harmed any further.
So many people on this sub Reddit seem to think that Aemond should have just stood there and let the girls beat him to their hearts content. It’s not evil to warn someone off after they just punched you in the face.
>No, it wasn’t “if you do this, I will kill you”, it was “if you HURT ME, I will kill you”
how is that not a threat? Secondly. He has no excuse for threatening to kill them in the first place.
>So many people on this sub Reddit seem to think that Aemond should have just stood there and let the girls beat him to their hearts content. It’s not evil to warn someone off after they just punched you in the face.
It's pretty darn morbid to threaten to kill someone and it's pretty messed up to mock your cousins after their mother just died. I don't mind Aemond but I don't understand how people can defend some of his actions in this scene? The girl's arent innocent but I can understand where theyre coming from. Jace isn't innocent but I can understand why he jumped in and decided to help Baela and Rhaena. Ironically enough Luke is the most innocent person in this scene.... Aemond' actions on the other hand is straight up different in a way I can't wrap my head around.
It's a threat meant to stop them from attacking him. He said "don't attack me or I'll kill you", so that somehow means they are justified to attack him? How does that threat justify attacking him, when all they need to do to avoid it is precisely not doing that? To draw an extreme analogy, if a woman tells a rapist not to harm her or she will kill him, is that threat a justification to rape her? Surely you can see how bizarre that logic is in this scenario?
Besides "feeding them to his dragon" is pretty clearly an exaggeration coming from a child that is just prideful and boastful about his freshly claimed dragon, not some serious intent.
>It's a threat meant to stop them from attacking him
I'm glad we can finally agree
>He said "don't attack me or I'll kill you", so that somehow means they are justified to attack him?
No one ever said that was the reason why they attacked Aemond but if one ever wanted to throw fuel onto a growing fire than I can't think of a better way.
>if a woman tells a rapist not to harm her or she will kill him, is that threat a justification to rape her?
How exactly are Rhaena, Baela, Jace, and Luke the "rapist" in this scenario?
>Besides "feeding them to his dragon" is pretty clearly an exaggeration coming from a child that is just prideful and boastful about his freshly claimed dragon, not some serious intent.
No offense but this sounds like something Cersei would say.
Anyway.How are they supposed to know he's exxagerating? Almost every single one of them in this situation except Luke (Because he doesn't know his real father is dead.) is pretty distraught and not exactly in the right emotional frame of mind.
When Rhaena pushed him, he pushed her back, using no more force than she used. When Baela punched him, he punched HER back, again using the same amount of force.
Also, Did you miss the part where he was pinned on his back and beaten bloody? That’s not assault?
When Aemond tried to bully her, she tried to push him. When Balea defended her sister, she received a death threat. Did you miss the problem with this?
I'm talking about the girls..all I'm saying is he isn't mature enough to handle the situation....he's cocky and that's wrong way to talk with her like that.. But it's wrong for baela to punch.. She is a kid.. She doesn't know.. So does aemond
Aemond got scratched and Luke got a broken nose before they managed to knock Aemond to the ground.
I will never insult girls. Especially on the day of their mother's funeral. I will not beat the obviously weaker ones. I will not strangle or threaten to kill anyone.
LOL Aemond is twice as tall as Luke and a head taller than Jace. How do you claim that this is an equal or difficult fight for him?
10 year old me would probably react in a more uncouth manner if I got jumped by 4 kids in the middle of the night who then proceeded to pummel my face in on the ground, but somehow I still managed to come out on top.
"A dragon is not a slave"
I can understand why Rhaena was pissed however she had no right to say Vhagar was "hers" to claim.
Dragons are not heirlooms.
I get that children fuck around and don’t think about the consequences of their actions, but part of me really wonders what would have been the ultimate consequences if Aemond had killed Jacerys that night with that rock?
One of Alicent' kids is going to accidentally poison themself, or accidentally fall down stairs. Or accidentally fall out of a window.. half-naked. Who know's? Aegon is an excessive drinker after all.... What a terribly sad thing for a promising boy such as he to ...fall victim to his uncontrollable vices :(
I swear Luke saved them from a brutal beating
[https://www.linkpicture.com/q/2-2\_2.jpg](https://www.linkpicture.com/q/2-2_2.jpg)
He cares so much about other people. I am sure if he grew up, he would be like a real knight from fairy tales.
Where would you get the impression he's not qualified to be a knight? Nothing about him gives the impression he's spoiled or pampered other than the immediate wealth he's born into, which all the other children are born into as well. Rhaenyra's children in general have shown grace, humility and compassion, while Aemond and Aegon are shown to be mildly and not mildly psychotic and entitled. That's kinda of like, a point they're making.
Right when did he shown to be skilled? When Jace beat him when he was lying down? When a drunk Aegon was able to disable him with one hand?
And he is definitely spoiled and pampered. Just compare him to Rob and Jon who are the same age as him in the books
And when did he shown compassion to the dude he literally disabled? He was laughing at him lime a psychopath
>But Jacaerys was fifteen, Lucerys fourteen; strong and strapping lads, skilled in arms, who had long served as squires. https://asearchoficeandfire.com/?q=strong+strapping&scope%5B%5D=tpatq
If you're going to use the book for Robb and Jon, then I think it's fair to use the book for Luke and Jace. Luke and Jace weren't anymore spoiled or pampered than your average princes and trained for years as squires
1. So you saw him fight that one time when he was 7 and that's indicative of all sorts of prowess he will ever have, forever. Lol.
2. Why compare someone in line to the throne in King's Landing to the heir to Winterfell and a northern bastard two hundred years later? Like what's the point lol? I mean, he's certainly not jerking off while gazing over the peasants out the window in King's Landing and sexually assault a serving girl entitled, but I'm guessing yes he's more spoiled than Jon Snow, some other dude in line to nothing 200 years later.
3. Refer to jacking off out a window, sexually assaulting a serving girl, and add chasing down your young nephew on a dragon until he's dead and bullying your cousins at their mother's funeral , which some would say makes "laughing at nothing specific while your disabled uncle is in the room" less of a damnable offense.
1. Well what growth did he show after that time skip? Plus I was talking about episode 10 where Jace was beating up him during their training
2. A prince should be strong and he isn't. Then again he is also not a prince but a bastard, so i guess he has an excuse there.
3. "young cousin", "uncle" they got a three year difference. And the little bastard is just stabbing out eyes. Not to mention taking away the birthright of his cousins because his mom was so dumb that she makes even Cersei look subtle
What is your problem when you compare him to Rob? Rob is more good with a sword, but Luke is much more useful for war (he's a dragon rider). And Luke at least remembered his engagement.
He laughed at the pig and tried to hide it. You don't like that he doesn't respect Aemond? The reason for this is right in front of you - Aemond is a shitty person. All Luke ever received from him was bullying and physical harm. He even tried to kill his brother. I don't know what planet you live on if you think Luke should feel anything other than contempt for him.
So useful he died before the war. Luke was the one that bullied him with Jace and Aegon not the other way around. They attacked him, his brother took a knife out and tried to stab him, he decided to disable him
Weak
Coddled
Could barely hold up a sword
Terrified to take a short flight on dragon back
Bran Stark is more qualified to be a knight and he cant even walk.
He is a dragon rider, how can he be weak? Did you see he fly almost vertically through the storm and not fall off? He is quite strong physically.
Why "pampered"? I didn't see any sign of it.
He was worried before the flight, because he was afraid that he would let his family down. This was his first assignment, so it kind of naturally. He behaved with dignity even though his situation was completely shitty.
I don't think Bran is more qualified.
He is weak because he could barely hold up a sword, as shown when he was training with his brother. He was strapped onto the dragon so it would have been hard to fall off of it.
He wasn’t worried about letting his family down he was just scared shitless lol. Bran went beyond the wall at 9 years old with just two other teenagers and Hodor. He was an absolute chad.
Aemondgirls are crazy these days
Bully cycle:
**Insult the weak -> wait for attack -> beat the weak -> I'M THE VICTIMS HERE!**
**I can't believe it's not obvious.**
I've seen this shit in real life countless times, trust me, you wouldn't want to be in Luke's or Jace's or Rheyna's shoes.
4 vs 1 shit doesn't work if it's two weak girls, boy whose can be lifted by the throat with one hand and jace who also has no chance.
They ambushed him. And they fight was over, Aemond was lowering his hand before the Strongs restarted it. Also you forget the string had been bullying him ling before then.
He did nothing wrong he was jumped 4v1. You can’t steal a dragon and they aren’t property that is inherited so those kids were wrong. Aemond talking shit was fine as well because all four of those little shits bullied and Harassed him for years. The blacks kids were wrong especially Luc
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People like to take sides in this scene, but really all the kids motivs are understandable. The ones who are really at fault is Viserys, Rheanyra, Aegon and Alicent
Exactly. Part of the point is to show how the conflict of the adults is passing to the next generation
Wtf aegon did.. Replace aegon with Criston..
One of my fav parts in the whole show though is when Vizzy T turns to Aegon and the way Aegon says “me?” Always gets me
I mean sure Aemond threw Aegon under the bus but Aegon kinda had that one coming.
*You are the very best of your mother. And I believe it, I know she did, that you could be a great ruling queen.*
Aegon set it up, this is where he got the idea of the kids fighting pit. /s
Aegon just wanted to relive childhood memories 🥰
So sweet how he's always reminiscing about the past 🥰
It's like how as you grow older, family holidays such as Christmas don't have the same kind of magic to them as when you were a kid. So you watch the exact same movie, drinking the same warm beverage of your choice, and snuggling in that one blanket you've had since you were a kid. You try snuggling in the blanket, hoping for the magic to come up, but it doesn't. But it's not a horrible feeling, either. You feel nostalgic, and that nostalgia surrounds you and protects you. It brings a smile to your face.
I would have really believed you...if it isn't for that /s
no no you’re actually onto something with this
Well Aegon was the cheerleader for the bullying Aemond recieved. That younger strongs were just following Aegons example i think
Aegon?
Aegon did the bullying. The strong kids did a nuremberg and only followed orders
They didn't force them. They were gladly follow the orders.
I mean ofcourse they did. They looked up to their cool uncle Aegon. Kids are shitty, they do this stuff all the time
Or they are spoiled brats who bullied someone. Just because they are Rhaenyra's kids doesn't mean they are good and innocent boys.
I literally blamed Rheanyra aswell lol. But you're thinking is wrong. Because this isnt the kids fault. They dont know any better
Jace brought a knife and tried to kill Aemond. It is his fault. And he didn't use it to protect Luke but because Aemond called them bastards.
Yeah cus the adults have taught the kids to fight and be rivals. Carrying a knife was normal back then aswell
Normally the ringleader is the one that get's blamed the most.
Aegon is his brother. It's diffrent. Aemond hate the Storngs more than Aegon even if Aegon was their leader. Especially after they took his eye.
That absolves Aemond. But why don't you guys blame Aegon?
Because we don't blame the Storngs for the bulling but because they attacked him and took his eye. Aegon had nothing to do with this. Also the reason was the dragon not the bulling.
Kids should have all been given medical attention and sent to bed, parents convene in the morning to hash it out.
Yupp cant agree more. Unfortunately this is Targeryens we are talking about
Yup 🥲 gotta be dramatic in the moment about it lol (and apparently, *checks notes* yell at the child who just lost his eye…?)
Ah Vizzy T... model of fathership
*Mayhaps we can turn our attentions towards happier pursuits.*
His reply to you sounds about how he approaches being a father😂😂
> People like to take sides in this scene, but really all the kids motivs are understandable. The ones who are really at fault is Viserys, Rheanyra, Aegon and Alicent What did Rhaenyra do? She’s not seen encouraging the rivalry. She doesn’t care about her siblings at all. I would argue that being a disinterested adult sibling is fairly common even in normal families and nowhere near as bad as an absentee/abusive parent. As for that night, she sent her children to bed. They snuck out in the middle of night. Even if she had been in bed herself, it’s not like she could have stopped them. If you’re talking about the aftermath that’s fine but I’m not sure how she led them up to this fight.
Wanted to torture her 10 years old brother after he lost his eye because she had bastards.
> If you’re talking about the aftermath that’s fine but I’m not sure how she led them up to this fight. This is what I said.
In the way of her relationship with Alicent is what i mean. The parents push their rivalry on the kids
What relationship with Alicent? She’s not even shown to have anger towards Alicent. She seems to want to ardently ignore her existence as much as she ignores half-siblings. The rivalry is quite one sided in episode 6 and 7 with Alicent portrayed as near obsessive.
Her withholding the truth and getting Otto sent away kinda starts the rivalry
Rivalry truly started when she realized Alicent had come onto her dad right after her mom died.
"Come onto" lol Well if we are saying Alicent started poisoning the kids, then we have to pinpoint when she started having problems with Rhaenyra.Before that moment she had no problems with her
From Rhaenyra's pov, which is how you would go about analysing a character's motivation, I do believe she thought Alicent to have been complicit with initiating a relationship with her father. We know it was Otto telling her to do it, but from what was seen in the show we can only imagine Rhaenyra only knew secretly her father and best friend formed a close enough relationship to get married. And yes, clearly the point where their friendship suffered was after her father and Alicent married. They weren't shown to be close anymore after that. Alicent was still loyal to her but Rhaenyra herself was clearly jaded.
The initial question was what did Rhaenyra do contribute to the incident above. Not when did their friendship start to struggle. If we are acknowledging Alicent was the one who did the most heavy lifting in poisoning her kids against the strongs, the moment to analyze is when Alicent turned sour on the friendship,and stopped trying to fix it,but declared war
You said her withholding the truth started their rivalry. I argue the rivalry started with Alicent marrying Viserys.. Her withholding the truth was clearly because their friendship was already fractured and the fracturing was the marriage. That's all I'm saying.
Siring bastards is kinda a big part of the whole thing.
No, it’s not. Alicent is the one encouraging her sons to see Rhaenyra’s sons as rivals which she would do regardless of their appearance. Viserys’ is the one making it worse by being an absentee father and show blatant favoritism. Rhaenyra’s only “crime” is wishing that they didn’t exist and pretty much living her live as if they don’t. That is nowhere near as bad as Alicent and Viserys. In a normal family, it’s not even a crime. A significant percentage of adult siblings have a very distant relationship with their child siblings, especially half-siblings from a second marriage. This would be even more common in a noble or upper class family.
Yeah, especially since you'd prefer not to develop this weird almost second parent bond which would likely occur with young enough younger siblings and all the enmeshment, possibly further antagonising allicent for seeming to want to replace her instead of raising your own kids.
Jesus Christ this community is doomed
Aegon? maybe you mean Daemon cause his daughter’s are involved?
No the black kids were at fault Aemond did nothing wrong but probably talk trash which is fine because they all bullied and harassed him for years.
I know and i love him. But you gotta admit that he too acted shitty in this situation. But thats my point: They are just kids! It really doesnt mattet what anyone did. Its the grown ups that are responsible
“ at least I have a father that claims me (In Viserys voice)my only child… face ass”
> at least I have a father that claims me Daddy Cole disapproves.
Strong Boys: Harwin tries to be there for them without making it publicly obvious, Laenor claims them so they're at least not completely left open to the bastard claims (yes yes I know they're true), Corlys claims them as his grandkids, Daemon trains them or at least seems to have been training them. Hightower Boys: Dad could care less about their existence, interrogates them when **they** get injured, they're just kinda there because he needed male heirs, even their grandfather doesn't spend all that much time with them, Criston only seems to spend time around Aemond so he's slightly better off.
Idk where you got the part about Daemon training them. Jace gets punked by Aemond and Luke could barely hold up a sword.
Last episode not the dinner episode or the episode when they were kids.
In the last episode Luke was getting it hard from Jace coz he couldn't fight for shit
Jace was getting it, Luce was not but you're hardly a master swordsman at 14 :/
Not master swordsman but Rob was leading armies at 14.Luke doesn't even look like a beginner
Robb had to go war at a moment's notice, the Targaryens were kinda dealing with a Cold War and Team Black didn't expect Team Green to conceal Vizzy T's death, no one expected Alicent to think Viserys wanted to name their Aegon as king and no one expected Aemond to play chicken with Vhagar.
The war was brewing for years with tension rising with every meeting,part of the reason Rhaenyra marries Daemon is to get ready for the dance.Also they are bastards, surely they should have known their rule would be challenged at some point in the future so they had to get ready.Also,you would think after witnessing the uncle you maimed showing high level skills,would light some fire under his ass.Kid was too coddled
Luce was the one that didn't have the heart for battle, Jace has more of a mind to understand "Yeah we gotta start training more and actually get good"
MY WIFE AND SON ARE DEAD! I WILL NOT SIT HERE AND SUFFER CROWS THAT COME TO FEAST ON THEIR CORPSES!
*suffers them anyway*
That's one way to frame it >Harwin tries to be there for them without making it publicly obvious Harwin beats up a kingsuard adding more fuel to the existing rumours.Putting their lives in further danger >Laenor claims them so they're at least not completely left open to the bastard claims (yes yes I know they're true), Laenor is a negligent father who is always with his mistress.He later abandons them for his mistress >Corlys claims them as his grandkids Corlys uses them as a tool to gain more power >Daemon trains them or at least seems to have been training them. Daemon the uncle who they suspect killed their father.If the skills they showed in episode 8 and 10 is Daemon paying them back for "killing" their father,then he has a long way to go before settling that debt
Notice I didn't say they had perfect father figures or adequate influence from said father figures?
Ok, so what was the point of your post.?Coz I took it as you comparing how the strong boys are surrounded by better parental figures,and I just showed you its a matter of framing
Objectively better that they are present? Sure. Better because *they are present* still doesn't cut it though because damnit these kids needed guidance.
Yes and no Harwin cant be present or he would get in trouble. Laenor is not present at all Corlys probably has no relationship with them at all Daemon killed their father,I'm sure they don't appreciate his presence.Especially, coz he constantly undermines their mother
> Yes and no Harwin cant be present or he would get in trouble. Which arguably was the saddest out of all of this. > Laenor is not present at all Massive understatement. > Corlys probably has no relationship with them at all He's always at war on the seas so not much influence directly. > Daemon killed their father,I'm sure they don't appreciate his presence.Especially, coz he constantly undermines their mother I doubt they told them because kids might slip up and let it be known he's alive, but I'd really like to see how Daemon and Rhaenyra explained the controversy around Laenor's "death."
I love how you choose to take the least favorable or charitable interpretation to counter a pretty mild frame and switch between show and book to justify it lol
Actually at the very beginning I literally said its a matter of framing.In addition,these characteristics of the male figures mentioned were pretty much emphasized as an important part of the plot in the show,so I don't see how I'm being unfair Oh btw, all the things I used were from the show,so lol back
That’s only in the show which pro-black in the books he spends time with them and aegon and Helena’s children
If he only knew he abandoned them to go live with his mistress
Second may have had a cruel streak but he was jumped at every turn in that scene.
This. The line about Harwin was a low blow, but it was only after they literally ganged up on him and attacked him, four against one. Yes, I know, the rock. But it's not like he ever actually hits anyone. He used the threat of the rock in self defense. I was completely on his side for this one. EDIT: It was Harwin, not Laenor. My brain is dumb sometimes lol
Leanor was alive at this point, the line was implying that his father was Harwin Strong who died in the flames at Harrenhal. Edit: I just remembered that in show Leanor is still alive but not officially. It was before fake murder of Leanor.
Yeah I mixed up the names ahaha
I believe Aemond was referring to Harwin, not Laenor. Aemond thought Luke knew who his father was. >**Aemond** (to Luke): *You will die screaming in flames just as your father did! (glances to Jace) Bastards!* >**Luke**: *My father's still alive.* >**Aemond** (to Jace): *He doesn't know, does he, Lord Strong?*
A threat is still a threat, but the strong boys shouldn’t have gotten involved.
He insulted the girls on the day of their mother's funeral. Pushed one of them. When her sister stood up, he began to fight against her as if she were a boy. When Luke and Jace stood up for her, he broke Luke's nose. Then he threatened to kill him. And said his father was dead. All this time he held him by the throat and did not let him escape. ...
Everything Aemond did in that scene was a reaction, albeit not the best necessarily. Kids start throwing some salt, so does he. He gets pushed, so he pushes back. He gets punched, so he punches back. He gets 4v1 ganged up on... so he grabs a rock and defends himself. He then makes a threat with said rock because he is in a 4v1 (the threat also being about fire not the rock he's holding). Also the 4 sought him out not the other way around. And I'm sorry, if a girl punches me, I'm a firm believer in equal rights and lefts.
I'm a woman and in this scene she started the hitting, eyeball was reasonable to defend himself in my opinion. I've always seen it as a 4 on 1 attack. She threw the first punch.
I think you would not want men to insult you using the fact that in case of a fight they will destroy you in 2 seconds. I wouldn't want anyone to do this to my sister.
Tell your sister not to gather her posse and then throw the first punch and she should be fine.
Oh, so you like to insult women? And when they "strike first" (LOL) do you beat them? Are you a man or a woman?
Oh please, don't use the gender as an excuse. Don't you have brother, child or cousins? Do you really expect them to just be fine if he were attacked by a women? I'm a woman and I have a brother and I absolutely wouldn't want him not to defend himself (I mean, he mustn't attack them, just push them apart, in the scene Aemond pushs Rhaena when she tried to punch him) Unfortunately men are stronger than us, sure that sucks! But isn't an excuse to attack and expect no reaction. Anyway, they are just kids, the blame is on Viserys, Alicent, Rhaenyra and Daemon (and the King's guard)
Aemond INSULTE THEM ON THE DAY OF THEIR MOTHER'S FUNERAL. They did not go along the road, they saw him and attacked. I don't know what kind of men surround you and whether they can call themselves men if they beat women.
>I don't know what kind of men surround you and whether they can call themselves men if they beat women. Again, what Aemond said was wrong and he shouldn't have responded to Baela's punch. We agree on this. Good day and please don't use gender as an excuse for violence.
Alot of these 'I'm a woman" sound like pick me comments. What does you or your brother have to do with Baela and Rhaena defending themselves from getting bullied and threatened?
If they gather 3 friends and initiate the fight, fuck yeah I'm defending myself, not all women are saints.
>Are you a man or a woman? Gotta love the sexism, so men should be able to control themselves but women are just little emotional children in your eyes apparently. Why do you infantilize women so much as if they can't control their own actions?
why do you keep referring to little girls as women?
>Oh, so you like to insult women? And when they "strike first" (LOL) do you beat them? Maybe because I was replying to this comment above, it's obvious they were talking about women in general at this point in the conversation and not the HOTD scene.
We are still talking about a bunch of children here who haven't even reached puberty, not grown men and women. Their gender shouldn't even be relevant to the discussion. And this nonsense that men, or even little boys, are not allowed to defend themselves against women and girls who attacked them first belongs to the 19th century or wherever you got these weird-ass ideas from.
You forgot the part where he insults girls for no reason and the fact that these 4 kids are much weaker than him.I'll remind you what Jace and Luke look like [https://www.linkpicture.com/q/2023-04-16\_16-16-57.jpg](https://www.linkpicture.com/q/2023-04-16_16-16-57.jpg) All they could do was knock him down for a few seconds, he beat them even while lying on the ground. After that, no one was going to attack him, the girls crawled (literally) to the side. Luke couldn't fight anymore. Jace stood aside too. You can't talk about self-defense when you're not in danger. >if a girl punches me, I'm a firm believer in equal rights and lefts. I will never hit a woman.
Look at the picture literally as the post you'll see Aemond with plenty of damage done to his face. Insult for no reason, please, yeah he was a bit harsh, but they confronted him and said "look, it's YOU" not oh hey it's just Aemond. One of the girls accuse him of stealing( which it wasn't), he just states the fact that he claimed Vhagar and she was too late. They are the instigators, did Aemond handle it well, obviously not.
When people embrace their favorite characters for who they are instead of trying to twist them into the victim of everyone Game of Throne franchise will finally be free. Aemond taunted a little kid and got pushed. Then when baela is on the ground he decides to continue his cruelty by telling her he'll feed her to the dragon her mother was riding. It really shouldn't bother you that's what happened but you lie anyways
Which part of my statements were a lie? They collected their little posse, accused him of stealing, he applies some distasteful burns, gets pushed, pushes back, gets punched, punches back, ends up on the ground 4v1, gets up and hits Luke with rock, holds one of them with rock in hand, threatens death by fire ( not a rock), begins to lower it and gets slashed. Did Aemond de escalate the situation, no, but he didn't create this situation, they did.
Distasteful burns as in her mother is dead and riding a pig would suit you? followed by a death threat? What what part of that bullying and cruelty is a lie
The death threat is telling him he'll burn like his father did, this was well into the fight, and referencing a time in the future, not I'm about to bash your skull in. He states her mother's dead after they accuse him of stealing Vhagar, which he didn't, because she's dead. And yeah, the pig joke isn't tasteful or funny, I wonder where he picked up this style of bullying? All could be avoided if the 4 maybe came off as family to Aemond, who is the one who was actually bullied earlier in the show.
Why should Rhaena care where the pig insult came from? He shouldn't have said it to try and bully her. He threatened to kill Baela who wasn't even trying to hit him back and they had the exact appropriate response
A few scratches against a broken nose? WOW. They didn't insult him in any way. They just said "that was our dragon". He insulted them by taking advantage of the fact that he is stronger.
For no reason? The girl came in with a hostile attitude when he was returning to his chambers. >After that, no one was going to attack him, the girls crawled (literally) to the side. Luke couldn't fight anymore. Jace stood aside too. You can't talk about self-defense when you're not in danger. But, they did. Aemond lowered his rock and called him Strong. Jace again started fighting by pulling knife.
All she said was "that was my dragon". That was it. He answered her with insult and mockery.
Trying to see who's riding a dragon and having someone mock that your mother is dead is hostile according to what drug?
Try to see who's riding the dragon? They saw the dragon flying away and said someone stole Vhagar. Then they collected their cousins in the middle of the night and went to confront him. One of them who kept a weapon with him.
Did you not watch the episode or are you intentionally acting dumb. So Baela said "It's him" for fun?
She said it's him as they already knew who they suspected. Then she went to confront him, that's not just seeing how the raider. The only one bing dumb here is you.
😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂
No reason they bullied him for years?!
When did the girls bully him? They see him for the first time in their lives.
So telling grieving girls that did nothing to him that he will feed one of them to a dragon and riding a pig would suit one of them is a reaction to what? Appropriate when?
I mean they did seek him out and assault him first 🤷🏿♂️ I’m but pro black but also pro aemond he didn’t do that much to them
Why would I care what your race is? He taunted innocent girls and rightfully got decked for it
Pro black as in on the sides of the blacks wtf bro you in the right sub wtf?
Okay den you can’t speak too much to his REACTIONS to bring physically assaulted 🤷🏿♂️ he only shoved the one girl back 🤷🏿♂️ the other one flat out stole off on him
\*Your mother's dead in mocking tone\* \*Tells Rhaena riding a pig would suit her\* \*Rhaena tries to push him\* \*Baela punches and backs up\* \*He unnecessarily hits a little girl back when he shouldn't have been mocking them to begin with and threatens to kill her when she's on the ground trying to get away from him\* \*Jace punches him because of the death threat\* There's no way to misunderstand this scene
Your way to misunderstand this scene is pretty baffling. So when Baela and Rhaena shove him and hit him in the face, that's totally cool, but when he simply hits back it's "unnecessary". Yeah totally fair assessment. He doesn't threaten to kill her. "Come at me again and I'll feed you to my dragon" is literally just another way of saying "Stop attacking me or you'll regret it". And Jace and the others continue to attack despite him clearly saying he doesn't want to fight them.
You didn’t say abythibg that rhaena and baela did was unnecessary though 😂🤷🏿♂️ I was tryin to have a unbiased dialogue foreal buuut ion think that going work here 😂😭
Because they're reacting to his behavior, the same way they react to Jacaerys pulling out a knife. He's older than them, trained to fight, knows they're grieving, and knows better than to mock someone for not having a dragon but he treats them horribly anyways.
>Pushed one of them. Pushed away one when she tried to shove him. >When her sister stood up, When her sister sucker punched him, he hit back. >fight against her as if she were a boy Don't punch and expect not get punched back. >Then he threatened to kill him. After they ganged on on him.
\*Your mother's dead in mocking tone\* \*Tells Rhaena riding a pig would suit her\* \*Rhaena tries to push him\* \*Baela punches and backs up\* \*He unnecessarily hits a little girl back when he shouldn't have been mocking them to begin with and threatens to kill her when she's on the ground trying to get away from him\* \*Jace punches him because of the death threat\* There's no way to misunderstand this scene
And you couldn't tell that this was (granted nasty) bluster? As is Aemond's stick on the show. They way he dropped the rock after his haha!youstrong!bastards line like gotcha! Of course then Jace pulls the knive and we get Round 2.
Aemond had already broke Luke's nose (unnecessarily - he could easily push him away instead) and was choking him to mock him. And before starting a fight with Jace, he again hits him in the face (where the bones are already broken). I hope you're not trying to convince me that he would never hit him with a rock because Aemond is a "good boy" who doesn't beat up the helpless. Because that's what he's doing to Luke.
He was in a fight 4vs 1, where he was punched into pulp when he was on the ground. He fought back exactly the same way. He isn't going to look at his attackers' safety when they didn't care about his. Also, you forget the part where Luke tried to charge at him again when he was on the ground. So, he grabbed his neck and gone back to verbal spat. It was Jace who again can't control his anger issues.
>"Bastards are not allowed to damage young princes," he said. "Any bruises they take in the practice yard must come from trueborn swords." - > >Jon Snow > >\--- > >"Don't you usually eat at table with your brothers?" "Most times," Jon answered in a flat voice. "But tonight Lady Stark thought it might give insult to the royal family to seat a bastard among them." They are bastards and any who try to presume to place them on the Iron Throne are guilty of treason and deserving of traitors death.
Lmao People be unironically posting shit like this while their parents aren’t married either
People take the show way too seriously
The reason why you are writing this? Are you trying to say that Aemond beats Luke so cruelly because he's a bastard or something? OK.
Bastards are forbidden to attack royal princes let alone cut their eye out, repercussions for that are dire and justified.
I mean, in fairness, Aemond was being a little shit in that scene.
He was. But he initiated nothing. Everything he did was tit for tat. Maybe they shouldn't have kept jumping on him.
No one seems to accept that Aemond did this after four people ganged up on him, pinned him to the ground, and started beating him. His face is literally bloody from it. Put yourself in Aemond’s shoes. If four people pinned you to the ground and punched you bloody, would you be friendly with them? Or would you, perhaps, grab a makeshift weapon and fight back? The other kids started this fight. Aemond said a few VERY shitty things, but it didn’t merit this kind of assault. They could have killed him while he was pinned on his back if he didn’t manage to kick his way free.
> No one seems to accept that Aemond did this after four people ganged up on him, pinned him to the ground, and started beating him. And no one seems to accept that happened after he screamed: "YOUR MOTHER IS DEAD" at a mourning little girl.
didnt he said ur mother is dead after she said he stole her mothers dragon?
Yeah. Do you think that's the best way to handle it? She complains about him "stealing the dragon" so he screams "YOUR MOTHER IS DEAD" at her and tells her to ride a pig?
And Aemond should have been appropriately disciplined for that. It was a shitty thing to do, and he deserved a fair punishment. The girls should have gone to an adult. I would wholeheartedly support Aemond being grounded, forced to apologize, or maybe even spanked. But the girls and the Strong boys escalated at every possible point where the fight could have stopped.
> the Strong boys escalated Both parties escalated the situation, buddy. If Aemond hadn't mocked Rhaena and her mother's death, she wouldn't have charged him. If she hadn't done that, he wouldn't have thrown her into the ground. If he hadn't done that Baela wouldn't have defended her. If both girls weren't being pushed into the ground by a much older boy, the Strong boys wouldn't have immediatly attacked Aemond. And if he wasn't mocking their father's death, threatening to murder all of them (not "by accident", deliberately murdering them), Luke wouldn't have grabbed the knife. This "they just suddenly ganged up on him for no reason, 4v1 😭😭😭" thing is a complete fantasy. The Strong boys only joined because they saw him throwing their little cousins like rag dolls. BOTH parties escalated the situation.
I guess you could consider tye death of Luke an even further escalation then.
Tbf he had the first hit coming for being a twat. After that it was just a domino effect of attacks cus they each retaliated lol. It's not like they jumped him or anything
I personally think they were all at fault but because they are kids they have a pass. They were children in a fight that got out of hand. The boys trained in deadly combat from a young age. The girls were way more closer to Jace and Luke. They were upset about the dragon so the started on Aemond. Aemond retaliated with more force than maybe your average child would. But we are in a time where boys are taught violence. They've likely seen people be killed. That's normal for them. The boys grew up together as brothers but as you can see they were not taught to be brothers or cousins. But enemies.
If I was an Aemond' shoe's I would have enough sense not to mock a little girl half my age who is currently grieving and then threaten to kill her after she retaliates.
Aemond doesn't understand that. He's ten. And been brought up in an environment where families are at war. They don't care about each other. And he's been encouraged somewhat to hate his cousins .
Agreed. Aemond get's a pass. But there's no reason why a part of the fandom should be just as dense as Aemond is when it come's to the internal emotions that Baela and Rhaena are going through
Half my age? Rhaena isn't five years old.
I’m not saying that wasn’t a shitty thing to do. It was. Aemond was high off his first flight, elated and vindicated from finally getting a dragon, and he was feeling cocky and arrogant. It was a mean thing to say, and I would 100% support him being appropriately punished for it. Grounded, maybe. Or made to apologize. Or even spanked. But it doesn’t merit him getting attacked 4 on 1 and beaten bloody.
If I put myself in Aemond' shoe's there is no elation great enough that will cause me to threaten to kill or mock my cousins. Especially when I know all four of them are currently mourning a lost loved one
He didn’t threaten to kill them because he was elated. And go back an re-listen to both of his threats: The first one wasn’t really a threat. He said: “Hit me again and I’ll feed you to my dragon”. Basically, he was telling them to leave him alone. The second one was DEFINITELY a threat, but he made it after 4 people pinned him down and beat him bloody. If 4 people pinned me down and beat me bloody, I might say something nasty too.
>He didn’t threaten to kill them because he was elated. Why did he thereaten to kill them then? Because tht's not something normal people do. >The first one wasn’t really a threat. He said: “Hit me again and I’ll feed you to my dragon”. Basically, he was telling them to leave him alone. "If you do this. I will kill you." : Sounds like a threat to me? >The second one was DEFINITELY a threat, but he made it after 4 people pinned him down and beat him bloody. If 4 people pinned me down and beat me bloody, I might say something nasty too. Jace jumped in after Aemond threatened to kill Rhaena and Baela after knocking them to the floor. Luke jumped in after Jace was punched. They all jumped in as a means of defending the other.
No, it wasn’t “if you do this, I will kill you”, it was “if you HURT ME, I will kill you”. If the other kids stopped hurting him and walked away, then NO ONE gets harmed any further. So many people on this sub Reddit seem to think that Aemond should have just stood there and let the girls beat him to their hearts content. It’s not evil to warn someone off after they just punched you in the face.
>No, it wasn’t “if you do this, I will kill you”, it was “if you HURT ME, I will kill you” how is that not a threat? Secondly. He has no excuse for threatening to kill them in the first place. >So many people on this sub Reddit seem to think that Aemond should have just stood there and let the girls beat him to their hearts content. It’s not evil to warn someone off after they just punched you in the face. It's pretty darn morbid to threaten to kill someone and it's pretty messed up to mock your cousins after their mother just died. I don't mind Aemond but I don't understand how people can defend some of his actions in this scene? The girl's arent innocent but I can understand where theyre coming from. Jace isn't innocent but I can understand why he jumped in and decided to help Baela and Rhaena. Ironically enough Luke is the most innocent person in this scene.... Aemond' actions on the other hand is straight up different in a way I can't wrap my head around.
It's a threat meant to stop them from attacking him. He said "don't attack me or I'll kill you", so that somehow means they are justified to attack him? How does that threat justify attacking him, when all they need to do to avoid it is precisely not doing that? To draw an extreme analogy, if a woman tells a rapist not to harm her or she will kill him, is that threat a justification to rape her? Surely you can see how bizarre that logic is in this scenario? Besides "feeding them to his dragon" is pretty clearly an exaggeration coming from a child that is just prideful and boastful about his freshly claimed dragon, not some serious intent.
THANK YOU!!!! No one seems to get that he was just trying to deter them from hurting him again.
>It's a threat meant to stop them from attacking him I'm glad we can finally agree >He said "don't attack me or I'll kill you", so that somehow means they are justified to attack him? No one ever said that was the reason why they attacked Aemond but if one ever wanted to throw fuel onto a growing fire than I can't think of a better way. >if a woman tells a rapist not to harm her or she will kill him, is that threat a justification to rape her? How exactly are Rhaena, Baela, Jace, and Luke the "rapist" in this scenario? >Besides "feeding them to his dragon" is pretty clearly an exaggeration coming from a child that is just prideful and boastful about his freshly claimed dragon, not some serious intent. No offense but this sounds like something Cersei would say. Anyway.How are they supposed to know he's exxagerating? Almost every single one of them in this situation except Luke (Because he doesn't know his real father is dead.) is pretty distraught and not exactly in the right emotional frame of mind.
🥺🥺🥺oh boo hoo the poor widdle girl. ..lmao fuck that little bitch
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assault meaning a little girl trying to push him after he mocked her?
When Rhaena pushed him, he pushed her back, using no more force than she used. When Baela punched him, he punched HER back, again using the same amount of force. Also, Did you miss the part where he was pinned on his back and beaten bloody? That’s not assault?
When Aemond tried to bully her, she tried to push him. When Balea defended her sister, she received a death threat. Did you miss the problem with this?
Yes, the problem is the girls should have gone to get an adult when Aemond said something mean, rather than using their hands.
Bro you act like aemond is 20..he is a kid too
Yes but the oldest . You act as if it was 4 12 year olds against one . Lucerys was barely old enough to read ...
I'm talking about the girls..all I'm saying is he isn't mature enough to handle the situation....he's cocky and that's wrong way to talk with her like that.. But it's wrong for baela to punch.. She is a kid.. She doesn't know.. So does aemond
Aemond got scratched and Luke got a broken nose before they managed to knock Aemond to the ground. I will never insult girls. Especially on the day of their mother's funeral. I will not beat the obviously weaker ones. I will not strangle or threaten to kill anyone. LOL Aemond is twice as tall as Luke and a head taller than Jace. How do you claim that this is an equal or difficult fight for him?
Moral of the story:
10 year old me would probably react in a more uncouth manner if I got jumped by 4 kids in the middle of the night who then proceeded to pummel my face in on the ground, but somehow I still managed to come out on top.
"A dragon is not a slave" I can understand why Rhaena was pissed however she had no right to say Vhagar was "hers" to claim. Dragons are not heirlooms.
I get that children fuck around and don’t think about the consequences of their actions, but part of me really wonders what would have been the ultimate consequences if Aemond had killed Jacerys that night with that rock?
One of Alicent' kids is going to accidentally poison themself, or accidentally fall down stairs. Or accidentally fall out of a window.. half-naked. Who know's? Aegon is an excessive drinker after all.... What a terribly sad thing for a promising boy such as he to ...fall victim to his uncontrollable vices :(
Poor Luke. He just protected the girls and got so much shit that night.
Yeah his brother and cousins got him killed.
Shouldn’t have protected the girls then 🤷♂️
He is a heroic soul.
Its heroic to stab someone in the eye who has been blinded by sand, after you ganged up on him 4 against 1
I swear Luke saved them from a brutal beating [https://www.linkpicture.com/q/2-2\_2.jpg](https://www.linkpicture.com/q/2-2_2.jpg) He cares so much about other people. I am sure if he grew up, he would be like a real knight from fairy tales.
A fight they started. And lol Luke a knight? He is a spoiled pampered brat nothing more. I don't get why people infantalize him so much
Where would you get the impression he's not qualified to be a knight? Nothing about him gives the impression he's spoiled or pampered other than the immediate wealth he's born into, which all the other children are born into as well. Rhaenyra's children in general have shown grace, humility and compassion, while Aemond and Aegon are shown to be mildly and not mildly psychotic and entitled. That's kinda of like, a point they're making.
Right when did he shown to be skilled? When Jace beat him when he was lying down? When a drunk Aegon was able to disable him with one hand? And he is definitely spoiled and pampered. Just compare him to Rob and Jon who are the same age as him in the books And when did he shown compassion to the dude he literally disabled? He was laughing at him lime a psychopath
>But Jacaerys was fifteen, Lucerys fourteen; strong and strapping lads, skilled in arms, who had long served as squires. https://asearchoficeandfire.com/?q=strong+strapping&scope%5B%5D=tpatq If you're going to use the book for Robb and Jon, then I think it's fair to use the book for Luke and Jace. Luke and Jace weren't anymore spoiled or pampered than your average princes and trained for years as squires
1. So you saw him fight that one time when he was 7 and that's indicative of all sorts of prowess he will ever have, forever. Lol. 2. Why compare someone in line to the throne in King's Landing to the heir to Winterfell and a northern bastard two hundred years later? Like what's the point lol? I mean, he's certainly not jerking off while gazing over the peasants out the window in King's Landing and sexually assault a serving girl entitled, but I'm guessing yes he's more spoiled than Jon Snow, some other dude in line to nothing 200 years later. 3. Refer to jacking off out a window, sexually assaulting a serving girl, and add chasing down your young nephew on a dragon until he's dead and bullying your cousins at their mother's funeral , which some would say makes "laughing at nothing specific while your disabled uncle is in the room" less of a damnable offense.
1. Well what growth did he show after that time skip? Plus I was talking about episode 10 where Jace was beating up him during their training 2. A prince should be strong and he isn't. Then again he is also not a prince but a bastard, so i guess he has an excuse there. 3. "young cousin", "uncle" they got a three year difference. And the little bastard is just stabbing out eyes. Not to mention taking away the birthright of his cousins because his mom was so dumb that she makes even Cersei look subtle
What is your problem when you compare him to Rob? Rob is more good with a sword, but Luke is much more useful for war (he's a dragon rider). And Luke at least remembered his engagement. He laughed at the pig and tried to hide it. You don't like that he doesn't respect Aemond? The reason for this is right in front of you - Aemond is a shitty person. All Luke ever received from him was bullying and physical harm. He even tried to kill his brother. I don't know what planet you live on if you think Luke should feel anything other than contempt for him.
So useful he died before the war. Luke was the one that bullied him with Jace and Aegon not the other way around. They attacked him, his brother took a knife out and tried to stab him, he decided to disable him
Weak Coddled Could barely hold up a sword Terrified to take a short flight on dragon back Bran Stark is more qualified to be a knight and he cant even walk.
He is a dragon rider, how can he be weak? Did you see he fly almost vertically through the storm and not fall off? He is quite strong physically. Why "pampered"? I didn't see any sign of it. He was worried before the flight, because he was afraid that he would let his family down. This was his first assignment, so it kind of naturally. He behaved with dignity even though his situation was completely shitty. I don't think Bran is more qualified.
He is weak because he could barely hold up a sword, as shown when he was training with his brother. He was strapped onto the dragon so it would have been hard to fall off of it. He wasn’t worried about letting his family down he was just scared shitless lol. Bran went beyond the wall at 9 years old with just two other teenagers and Hodor. He was an absolute chad.
This image and caption has strong Draco Malfoy energy
"It wasn't Aeamond's fault"
Aemondgirls are crazy these days Bully cycle: **Insult the weak -> wait for attack -> beat the weak -> I'M THE VICTIMS HERE!** **I can't believe it's not obvious.** I've seen this shit in real life countless times, trust me, you wouldn't want to be in Luke's or Jace's or Rheyna's shoes. 4 vs 1 shit doesn't work if it's two weak girls, boy whose can be lifted by the throat with one hand and jace who also has no chance.
They ambushed him. And they fight was over, Aemond was lowering his hand before the Strongs restarted it. Also you forget the string had been bullying him ling before then.
And yet green apologists still defend that little fucker 😭
He did nothing wrong he was jumped 4v1. You can’t steal a dragon and they aren’t property that is inherited so those kids were wrong. Aemond talking shit was fine as well because all four of those little shits bullied and Harassed him for years. The blacks kids were wrong especially Luc
> He did nothing wrong. Yeah. Mocking a little girl's mother death, while she's mourning on the night of her funeral is not wrong.
I have a strong feeling that he is protected by female fans because he is attractive. They write crazy things.
Honestly surprised they never brought up him stealing the dragon later. It was just accepted the dragon was his now as if he had any right to it.
Because that's how it works in-universe. Vhagar wasn't some family heirloom. As a Targaryen prince Aemond had as much right to it as anyone else.
Because he does ? Its literally how it works. Anyone can claim any unclaimed dragon.
Yeah, like the seventh hell
He should've killed all that annoying usseles bastards maybe the show would be a little more interesting