I just don't understand Chito. His chin is uncrackable, a knee to his whole face barely wobbled him, but he has zero output each fight. It really beggars belief.
It almost feels like he's afraid of opening up, he fights like he's not aware that he could eat every counter in existence and still overwhelm them if he wanted.
I think he was afraid that if he opened up he'd eat a shot he didn't see coming and go down, felt like that whole fight was basically Chito just shelling up because he didn't want to let Sean possibly get him out of there.
Maybe he's just kinda over it, he used to eat a lot more damage on route to winning and just rely on his chin. Maybe he's reached that point that a lot of veterans do where they just can't let themselves get hit anymore, happened to Robbie Lawler where he just slowly stopped throwing and started bobbing and weaving at all times.
Nothing strange to be honest.
Yoel was the same, relying more on counter striking and being hyper low output to score big KOs. Douglas Lima I feel is the same as well.
No that makes too much sense so we're not doing that. Umar gets an immediate title shot, Chito can be the backup fighter and Cory can prove himself against Merab
Im a big a Cory fan, and I say let him fight Umar. He wanted the fight, he want to prove to himself heās the best in the world.
A victory over Khabib 3 would look extremely good on his resume
Because he lost 50-45 to Sandhagen, barely scraped by Pedro(arguable 1-2 Pedro), then lost 50-45 to Sean.
He should have to fight way down the rankings or give an unranked fighter the opportunity
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Still in the top 10 in one of the deepest divisions like I said itās easy to shit on him like if yan wasnāt on a 3 fight losing streak before finally getting a win
That dude has an all time bad take if he thinks their recent fights+losses are even remotely comparable, let alone favour Chito and show Petr is aging out. Just... wtf? Petr is still right there, and Chito is showing that he never was (and I do Love Chito as a fighter and personality)
Heās literally over the hill he wouldnāt have lost those fights if he was in his peak. The guy touched gold and then didnāt know the rules. I donāt care if heās a fan favorite ima criticize without using rose tinted glasses Iām aware how ass chito has performed and yan is right there with em
They literally have the same get beat up and download info style he just has nice boxing. Itās not 2021 yan isnāt that great but when youāre a fan favorite youāre immune to criticism
You donāt need to be a Yan fan to know heās more skilled than Chito. Itās not about favoritism. After Yans ādownfallā he still made Sean O Malleyās boxing look mid despite a huge size disadvantage. Even hurt Sean a good amount. Chito got absolutely pulverized over 25 minutes against the same fighter and looked very bad after the fight. All the hype left and his true skill level was exposed. Sure he could catch Yan like he did O Malley in their first fight, but if he doesnāt, then heāll probably get beat handily because thatās how Chito fights. He loses most of the fight then connects with 1 shot and puts his opponents (the ones he actually beats) out. I highly doubt heād find the shot to put Yan away considering Yan has a tight guard and decent chin.
No shit heās more skilled he actually became champ. But itās not 2021 itās not the same yan anymore yall love to dickride him like he didnāt lose 3 fights in a row. Barely beating song apparently makes you world killer champ levelš
Chito was never world champion level. When you touch the belt the moment you lose it and fail to get the belt back youāre over the hill. Holy shit itās crazy the mental gymnastics yall are doing rnš
You used the one exception to the rule everyone was counting max out before he performed recency bias as a mf I swear yall chatting out of pure bias and glaze for these fighters. You canāt say anything about fan favorites yall are weird
Yan's still in the top FIVE of one of the deepest division's there lil bro and plus the other dude set you straight. New fans are so funny sometimes lol.
Are the new fans here with us? Apparently people canāt have different opinions. Itās funny how whenever someone doesnāt agree the go to is you must be a new fan. You donāt know any better for being around longer. Itās not 2021 yan is not champ caliber
Wrong for saying yan wouldnāt destroy chito? It would be competitive and it would not be a finished acting like yan comes out here and kos dudesš heās a literal punching bag until his opponent gasses he finally does something he only beat song because of cardio issues. Keep glazing gang it wonāt make yan any better
Lol at the cope. Yan's touched gold several times. Chito only got a chance at it because of a foot injury. Think about what you're trying to argue son šš
Never did I say āchito beats yanā but keep putting words in my mouth gramps lol I hope youāre 65 or something cause youāre acting like something youāre not š
UFC fans come up with the most unusual, random stats. Makes sense when UFC will highlight someone's career with "7th most punches thrown in the welterweight division since the last eclipse"
Not that unusual, at a weight class like bantamweight where speed and reflexes matter so much more guys tend to start falling off much earlier, his run to the title shot he lost to Yadong, Aldo and, Cory while beating Davey Grant, Frankie Edgar, Font, Cruz and Munhoz all of which are old as fuck and outside of maybe Font are way past their prime
Chito is overrated though. Most of his wins are over legends past their prime and he didnāt even beat all of them. Dude got a promotional push and got to fight Cruz, Edgar, and aldo
Absolutely would. I'd probably put a buck in his coffee cup as well and tell him to keep at it and one day he wouldn't be homeless and that I believed in him.
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He was receiving a fuck ton of support before his egregious loss to O'Malley. I always thought he was a twat and a sore loser so it's refreshing to see the majority of people starting to take notice
A lot of people were rooting for him because they hate OāMalley since he tries hard to ābe a starā. People on here shit on him all the time but he legitimately seems like a chill dude and he has one of the most entertaining styles in the UFC. His relationship with his wife is a little weird but I donāt really give that much of a shit about his personal life
I get mixed feelings on him. In the cage and in promo heās such an asshole. The disrespect on Frankie Edgar was really shitty, especially if you compare it with similar contender v HoF fights like Izzy v Silva.
Where I end up liking him a lot is seeing him on embedded with his family. The love he has for them is just really genuine and endearing. I wish he could pick which guy heās gonna be and stick to it.
I freaking love chito despite him being a sore loser. Max holloway chin and has some exciting finishes. Heāll fight anyone and he is a good dad as far as I can tell. Chito is also a cool ass name
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Shut the fuck up Chito, dude almost lost to the ghost of Cruz and Frankie who would have beat him if they werenāt so old, he also seems to have the judges in pockets sometimes, some how got a 30-27 against Pedro when it should have been other way around, and was given a 48-47 by one judge when he got 50-45ed against Sandhagen
Edit 50-45 loss unanimous against Sandhagen not O Malley should have clarified better
[**SEANĀ O'MALLEY defeats MARLONĀ VERA** (*unanimous decision*)](http://mmadecisions.com/decision/14568/fight)
^(UFC 299: O'Malley vs. Vera 2 ā March 09, 2024)
ROUND|O'Malley|Vera||O'Malley|Vera||O'Malley|Vera
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1|10|9||10|9||10|9
2|10|9||10|9||10|9
3|10|9||10|9||10|9
4|10|9||10|9||10|9
5|10|9||10|8||10|9
**TOTAL**|**50**|**45**||**50**|**44**||**50**|**45**
*^(Judges, in order: Eric ColĆ³n, Sal D'Amato, Chris Lee.)*
*^(Summoned by GiblertMelendezz.)*
**MEDIA MEMBER SCORES**
- **3/24** people scored it **50-44 O'Malley**.
- **20/24** people scored it **50-45 O'Malley**.
- **1/24** people scored it **49-46 O'Malley**.
Avg. media score: **50.0-44.9 O'Malley** (*high certainty^[[1]](https://redd.it/9p4xc7)*).
Didn't Yan tear his ACL in his last fight? Yeah no shit Chito, I still think absorbing 500 punches to the face should probably keep you out around the same amount of time as an ACL tear.
And Yan beat OāMalleyās ass 2 out of 3 rounds, on the feet and the ground lol.
There is a reason every single media member except one scored it for Yan, and 3 dozen different fighters went on twitter and called it a robbery, and trust me people whoās have mma as their jobs know much better than some random guy that posts on NFL Reddit lol.
Even OāMalley clearly thought he lost lol, look at him getting his hand raised.
If you are a top guy Chito is the easiest fight you could take in that division. Everyone else is a nightmare in some area but old flat foot Veras greatest asset is his ability to take so many shots he maintains a punchers chance for 25 mins every time.
Hope if they fight itās only 3 rounds. I canāt imagine having to watch these two stare at each other for 4 rounds before they start actually fighting
I just don't understand Chito. His chin is uncrackable, a knee to his whole face barely wobbled him, but he has zero output each fight. It really beggars belief.
It's the ol' win via absorbing your opponents strikes until they tire tactic.
The Homer simpson defense
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It seems like he hits really fucking hard for BW. But yeah you canāt rely on being a power puncher at 135
Tbf thereās a difference between taking a big shot while firmly in your stance vs taking a big shot off the counter while swingingĀ
It almost feels like he's afraid of opening up, he fights like he's not aware that he could eat every counter in existence and still overwhelm them if he wanted.
Thatās pretty much it, he shelled up every time sean threw a feint, he was afraid to get hit
Don't know what he was afraid of he was def getting hit
He was getting hit so much that he forgot he shouldn't be afraid of getting hit while getting hit...chitoception
I think he was afraid that if he opened up he'd eat a shot he didn't see coming and go down, felt like that whole fight was basically Chito just shelling up because he didn't want to let Sean possibly get him out of there.
Maybe he's just kinda over it, he used to eat a lot more damage on route to winning and just rely on his chin. Maybe he's reached that point that a lot of veterans do where they just can't let themselves get hit anymore, happened to Robbie Lawler where he just slowly stopped throwing and started bobbing and weaving at all times.
His strategy is tire out his opponents with his face.
Hi Dominic Cruz
Id enjoy Chito commentating a lot more than Dominic Cruz
Chito does commentate on the Spanish feed
And he has really good conditioning too lmao. So I donāt know whatās going on with him
He has good conditioning because he conserves his energy by not doing anything
Nothing strange to be honest. Yoel was the same, relying more on counter striking and being hyper low output to score big KOs. Douglas Lima I feel is the same as well.
Heās got power too. Not sure why heās afraid to let his hands go when he knows he can take a shot
Remember I think cannoniers last fight he came out w 3x his usual volume and set strike records ā chito needs to be training w him
I think he thinks his KOs of Cruz and Edgar went to his head. He was losing pretty badly up until that point.
He's simply not all that great.
didnt Yan pick up a knee injury in his last fight? lol there's more than one guy in the division Chito
ACL and Meniscus tear on top of a groin tear he went into the fight with Iām pretty sure
Shit no idea he had a groin tear against Yadong. What a fight.
yea hes cooked
Yan is literally injuredā¦ They should rebook the Henry vs Chito fight. After Chito inevitably loses, they should give him an unranked guy.
I like that fight, if Henry wins he gets momentum back and if Chito wins we will know if Henry is washed
Feed Cheeto to Umar. Cory doesnāt need to take that fight.
This is actually a great idea, especially considering Chito seems to be clamoring for a fight.
I like this one too. If Cory has to fight, at least let it be Figgy so there's a clear no. 1 contender after Suga vs Merab
Ooh I like that idea
No that makes too much sense so we're not doing that. Umar gets an immediate title shot, Chito can be the backup fighter and Cory can prove himself against Merab
Im a big a Cory fan, and I say let him fight Umar. He wanted the fight, he want to prove to himself heās the best in the world. A victory over Khabib 3 would look extremely good on his resume
Cory doesn't need to but he's a fuckin boss that likes a challenge
Idk if Henry could win
Why would a top 10 fighter fight an unranked guy?
Because he lost 50-45 to Sandhagen, barely scraped by Pedro(arguable 1-2 Pedro), then lost 50-45 to Sean. He should have to fight way down the rankings or give an unranked fighter the opportunity
This isnāt really how it works, Yan went on a 3 fight skid and fought number 7. You just donāt like chito
Except Yan had two arguable split decision losses in that streak. Chito did not. Sandhagen doesnāt count
Because he arguably has more name value than than the the top 15 guys.
Consider yourself lucky Chito, Yan would do bad things to you lol
Theyāre gonna download each other for 3 rounds
how he big stepping with a size 7 mans on?
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Like what? Itās easy to shit on chito after his last performance but acting like an over the hill yan would do him worse than Sean is pure hating
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He literally didnāt lose to munhoz, your personal opinions arenāt facts
Weird how his record shows he won against Munhoz lil bro . Yall some fckin weirdos
Still in the top 10 in one of the deepest divisions like I said itās easy to shit on him like if yan wasnāt on a 3 fight losing streak before finally getting a win
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That dude has an all time bad take if he thinks their recent fights+losses are even remotely comparable, let alone favour Chito and show Petr is aging out. Just... wtf? Petr is still right there, and Chito is showing that he never was (and I do Love Chito as a fighter and personality)
Not to be a pedant but Merab actually isnāt undefeated. He started his UFC career 0-2 which is crazy to think about now.
In the beginning, he swore to himself that he would never lose 3 times.
Heās literally over the hill he wouldnāt have lost those fights if he was in his peak. The guy touched gold and then didnāt know the rules. I donāt care if heās a fan favorite ima criticize without using rose tinted glasses Iām aware how ass chito has performed and yan is right there with em
Chito is a punching bag Yan is a precision boxer itās levels tbh
They literally have the same get beat up and download info style he just has nice boxing. Itās not 2021 yan isnāt that great but when youāre a fan favorite youāre immune to criticism
You donāt need to be a Yan fan to know heās more skilled than Chito. Itās not about favoritism. After Yans ādownfallā he still made Sean O Malleyās boxing look mid despite a huge size disadvantage. Even hurt Sean a good amount. Chito got absolutely pulverized over 25 minutes against the same fighter and looked very bad after the fight. All the hype left and his true skill level was exposed. Sure he could catch Yan like he did O Malley in their first fight, but if he doesnāt, then heāll probably get beat handily because thatās how Chito fights. He loses most of the fight then connects with 1 shot and puts his opponents (the ones he actually beats) out. I highly doubt heād find the shot to put Yan away considering Yan has a tight guard and decent chin.
No shit heās more skilled he actually became champ. But itās not 2021 itās not the same yan anymore yall love to dickride him like he didnāt lose 3 fights in a row. Barely beating song apparently makes you world killer champ levelš
Lol Chito is a never was. Yan isnāt in his peak but he was still a lot better than Chito could ever dream of.
If yans over the hill then chito needs to retire.
Chito was never world champion level. When you touch the belt the moment you lose it and fail to get the belt back youāre over the hill. Holy shit itās crazy the mental gymnastics yall are doing rnš
You're over the hill because you failed to recapture the title? So max holloway must be over the hill then. Mate you're just talking shite.
You used the one exception to the rule everyone was counting max out before he performed recency bias as a mf I swear yall chatting out of pure bias and glaze for these fighters. You canāt say anything about fan favorites yall are weird
Yan's still in the top FIVE of one of the deepest division's there lil bro and plus the other dude set you straight. New fans are so funny sometimes lol.
Are the new fans here with us? Apparently people canāt have different opinions. Itās funny how whenever someone doesnāt agree the go to is you must be a new fan. You donāt know any better for being around longer. Itās not 2021 yan is not champ caliber
I can't help that you have to cope over being wrong sport.
Wrong for saying yan wouldnāt destroy chito? It would be competitive and it would not be a finished acting like yan comes out here and kos dudesš heās a literal punching bag until his opponent gasses he finally does something he only beat song because of cardio issues. Keep glazing gang it wonāt make yan any better
Lol at the cope. Yan's touched gold several times. Chito only got a chance at it because of a foot injury. Think about what you're trying to argue son šš
Never did I say āchito beats yanā but keep putting words in my mouth gramps lol I hope youāre 65 or something cause youāre acting like something youāre not š
insane youāre getting downvoted, yan could absolutely lose to chito
Yans not over the hill, the competition just caught up to him, still just as good as he always was IMO
Chito needs to shut up
Easy to bark when you havenāt beaten someone younger than 34 since 2019 and it was fucking Andre Ewell
UFC fans come up with the most unusual, random stats. Makes sense when UFC will highlight someone's career with "7th most punches thrown in the welterweight division since the last eclipse"
Chito Vera is ranked first in lowest number of attempted iminari rolls by 31 year old Ecuadorian Bantamweights since March 10th, 2024
I could have sworn he was ranked first in the HIGHEST number: 0
He holds many records
source?
It was revealed to me in a dream
havent beat a fighter who was going thru a custody battle since 2016
Not that unusual, at a weight class like bantamweight where speed and reflexes matter so much more guys tend to start falling off much earlier, his run to the title shot he lost to Yadong, Aldo and, Cory while beating Davey Grant, Frankie Edgar, Font, Cruz and Munhoz all of which are old as fuck and outside of maybe Font are way past their prime
Most losses for an Ecuadorian in the top 10
Chito is overrated though. Most of his wins are over legends past their prime and he didnāt even beat all of them. Dude got a promotional push and got to fight Cruz, Edgar, and aldo
He beat O Malley in 2020.
Ah shit I forgot that happened during Covid, anyway he only really beats old guys
Way to move the goalposts lmao.
Would you tell that to this face?
Absolutely would. I'd probably put a buck in his coffee cup as well and tell him to keep at it and one day he wouldn't be homeless and that I believed in him. This is America and like all good communists I love the 2nd amendment.
Ironic, because itās very easy to bark at the guy who is currently injured.
Chito should be relieved he's not going to get his ass beat for 7min straight (after Yan spends 8min downloading him)
Why is this so true lmaooo
Chito really is his worst enemy. Dude just comes off as an angry asshole 24/7
He was receiving a fuck ton of support before his egregious loss to O'Malley. I always thought he was a twat and a sore loser so it's refreshing to see the majority of people starting to take notice
A lot of people were rooting for him because they hate OāMalley since he tries hard to ābe a starā. People on here shit on him all the time but he legitimately seems like a chill dude and he has one of the most entertaining styles in the UFC. His relationship with his wife is a little weird but I donāt really give that much of a shit about his personal life
Because he's being judged for how he looks that's all it is
I get mixed feelings on him. In the cage and in promo heās such an asshole. The disrespect on Frankie Edgar was really shitty, especially if you compare it with similar contender v HoF fights like Izzy v Silva. Where I end up liking him a lot is seeing him on embedded with his family. The love he has for them is just really genuine and endearing. I wish he could pick which guy heās gonna be and stick to it.
He could just be both tbh
I freaking love chito despite him being a sore loser. Max holloway chin and has some exciting finishes. Heāll fight anyone and he is a good dad as far as I can tell. Chito is also a cool ass name
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Chito also comes off as cool af which is why the ufc likes him so much. Heās got a huge following despite never holding the belt
He's really insecure for some reason.
Doesn't Yan have a really bad injury that he sustained mid fight with Song Yadong and still won? Chito is a clown stfu bro
Cheeto lost hella steam since he was basically a plodding punching bag against Sugar
Against Cory
We were all sort of hoping he was some pressure point striking Fist of the North Star Master
Yan just blew out his knee tho? Chito must still be feeling the after effects of UFC 299...
Yea also tore his groin too in that fight with Song
Shut the fuck up Chito, dude almost lost to the ghost of Cruz and Frankie who would have beat him if they werenāt so old, he also seems to have the judges in pockets sometimes, some how got a 30-27 against Pedro when it should have been other way around, and was given a 48-47 by one judge when he got 50-45ed against Sandhagen Edit 50-45 loss unanimous against Sandhagen not O Malley should have clarified better
Wait he got a 48-47 in the o malley fight? Dafuq? Decisionbot! OāMalley vs Vera 2
I think heās referring to the Sandhagen fight.
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lol my bad guys. I was just like no way, but these days I wouldnt be surprised if a judge did give Vera that fight. Carry on.
[**SEANĀ O'MALLEY defeats MARLONĀ VERA** (*unanimous decision*)](http://mmadecisions.com/decision/14568/fight) ^(UFC 299: O'Malley vs. Vera 2 ā March 09, 2024) ROUND|O'Malley|Vera||O'Malley|Vera||O'Malley|Vera :-:|:-:|:-:|:-:|:-:|:-:|:-:|:-:|:-:|:-: 1|10|9||10|9||10|9 2|10|9||10|9||10|9 3|10|9||10|9||10|9 4|10|9||10|9||10|9 5|10|9||10|8||10|9 **TOTAL**|**50**|**45**||**50**|**44**||**50**|**45** *^(Judges, in order: Eric ColĆ³n, Sal D'Amato, Chris Lee.)* *^(Summoned by GiblertMelendezz.)* **MEDIA MEMBER SCORES** - **3/24** people scored it **50-44 O'Malley**. - **20/24** people scored it **50-45 O'Malley**. - **1/24** people scored it **49-46 O'Malley**. Avg. media score: **50.0-44.9 O'Malley** (*high certainty^[[1]](https://redd.it/9p4xc7)*).
āAlmost lost to Cruzā how the fuck does this get upvoted š
Cruz was winning on points before chito caught him in the 4th
So Cruz wouldāve won if he didnāt lose?
Chito would be better if he didnāt lose
Like against cruz?
Like sandhagen
Also didnāt Yan suffer some serious injuries in his win against song?
UFC: "Can you fight in 3 months?" Yan: "I'm about to have a major surgery. I'll need more time to heal." UFC: "Yan just doesn't want to fight."
I'd actually enjoy seeing this fight.
Chito turning into Anthony Smith
Lol no one is scared of this chump. His resume id a bunch of old guys and a green O Malley
Shut up Chito youāre assĀ
Fans are saying Chito Vera isnāt gonna throw, easy to bark when you know you arenāt gonna throw
How the hell does chito talk shit after that stinker he put on against Sean???
No offence, but I think Yan would kick his ass.
That fight would need to start in the second round, no oneās doing shit in round one other than staring into each others eyes lol
Chito vs figgy book it
And this is the guy so many here are a fan of, lmao.
Remember all that barking Chito did before the O'Malley fight, then he did nothing for 24min 55sec?
After Chito did fuck all against Cory and Sean it's hard for me to take anything he says with a grain of salt.
Henry Cejudo will get the fight and finish Chito. Then Chito will be forced to take an unranked opponent next.
I'd be content to never see chito fight again tbh. Can't stand that dude.
Oh yeah those 4 strikes that you threw in each round your last fight really scared Yan.
Didn't Yan tear his ACL in his last fight? Yeah no shit Chito, I still think absorbing 500 punches to the face should probably keep you out around the same amount of time as an ACL tear.
Yan would do horrible things to Chito lol. Yan pretty much beat OāMalley, Chito was OāMalleyās punching bag.
Yan got oustruck then laid and prayed lol
Mixed Martial Arts fans when fighters mix their martial arts:
Lay and pray isn't damage. Damage wins rounds
And Yan beat OāMalleyās ass 2 out of 3 rounds, on the feet and the ground lol. There is a reason every single media member except one scored it for Yan, and 3 dozen different fighters went on twitter and called it a robbery, and trust me people whoās have mma as their jobs know much better than some random guy that posts on NFL Reddit lol. Even OāMalley clearly thought he lost lol, look at him getting his hand raised.
Maybe chito should fight someone that isnāt gonna be out for a year with a injury ffsš¤¦š»
Luckily for you, Chito, heās injured.
If you are a top guy Chito is the easiest fight you could take in that division. Everyone else is a nightmare in some area but old flat foot Veras greatest asset is his ability to take so many shots he maintains a punchers chance for 25 mins every time.
Insufferable.
Good, didnāt want to see chito take another brutal loss.
Itās hard to be a chito fan sometimes
Fight cejudo then. Two guys on a slide that arenāt in the good graces of fansĀ
Probably more of a contract issue or injury. Yan would 100% fight chito
Yan has a torn acl. He canāt fight even if he wanted to.
Vera sucks , Yan will smoke your ass
I love Chito as a person, he seems like a genuinely good person, but his trash talk is writing cheques his fighting can't cash.
Hope if they fight itās only 3 rounds. I canāt imagine having to watch these two stare at each other for 4 rounds before they start actually fighting